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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / May 2008Herbals to raise Blood Pressure safely?
I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice. I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP, so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely? TIA. > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine > and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use > caffeine, so only salt is left to them - not a very healthy choice. > > I have seen on some herbal bottles that the product may raise the BP, > so there must be some that do, but can they do it safely? I just picked the following from the Mayo Clinic web site. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/blood-pressure/HI00053 "Herbal supplements aren't necessarily safe just because they're natural. Various herbal supplements can increase blood pressure or interfere with the effectiveness of blood pressure medications. Examples * Bitter orange * Ephedra (ma-huang) * Ginseng * Licorice * St. John's wort What to do Check with your doctor before taking any herbal supplements. You may need to avoid supplements that raise your blood pressure or interfere with your blood pressure medications." Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these herbs is likely to be the safest? TIA >> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with salt and caffeine >> and I know some people who are in the same position but cannot use [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > need to avoid supplements that raise your blood pressure or interfere > with your blood pressure medications." Very few doctors have a clue about supplements and just give a blanket statement to avoid them; very few admit to lacking the necessary information to make an informed decision. It is best to do the research yourself, give the product a try if desired, and then tell your doctor what you're doing. That requires him to make more of a case against if that is his position. > Now, if a person is taking NO medicines, which of these herbs is likely > to be the safest? > > TIA  SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > TIA. Tyrosine > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so there must be some that do, but can they do it > safely? Rosemary and licorice might work. alt.folklore.herbs added. SignatureJuhana Ravintoblogini: http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/ RF wrote: > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so there must be some that do, but can they do it > safely? Try http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Heart/hypot_herbs-hypotension.htm alt.folklore.herbs added. SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Bill I watched the Carlin Video you have attached to your post, Its GREAT!, Thought you might like this video.. John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006. Author of Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, in this part John discusses, from a hit mans perspective, the reasons and background to why we are at war in the Middle East http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%20a nd%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en > In article <69hu81F326pc...@mid.individual.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Billy > Bush Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch? v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related In article <aedac301-46da-4ec3-b470-d06ec94bdf01@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > John Perkins, Part 1 The first of a three part speech given to the > Veterans For Peace National Convention, Seattle, WA in August 2006. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3968544393356669182&q=John%20Perkins%2 > 0and%20VFP%20National%20Convention&hl=en Thanks SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related > > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ravintoblogini:http://ruohikolla.blogspot.com/ I won't rate licorice as safe over the long term. Though it might make sense if one's goal is to flunk a draft physical. In article <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > > > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Though it might make sense if one's goal is to > flunk a draft physical. http://www.holistic-online.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h204.htm Safety: Caution : There is a small possibility of effecting electrolyte balance with extended use of large doses of licorice. It has an ACTH like effect causing retention of sodium thus raising BP. The whole herb has constituents that counter this but it is best to avoid Licorice if the patient has hypertension, kidney disease or during pregnancy. It may interfere with the calcium and potassium absorption. Do not use if you are suffering from osteoporosis, hypertension (increases water around heart). Take with boiled milk. No other information about the safety of this herb is available. Use caution. Ayurvedic herbs are often taken in combination with others to neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional. SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related > In article > <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > neutralize the toxicity one herb with the opposing effect of other. Do > not take except under the supervision of a qualified professional. My thanks to everyone. OK, licorice is struck off my list. Seems like the others are enough for a start. Does anyone know of the relationship between the size of the doses and the elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent? > > In article > > <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > elevation in BP for the list I gave (minus > licorice)? Or is it individual-dependent? Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related >>> In article >>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Probably idiocentric, like allopathic medicine I guess I'll have to put a cuff on, start popping the pills or caps, and write down the numbers every 15 mins. I just did some reading in the LEF Disease Prevention and Treatment manual that it takes 2 grams of calcium citrate to block 40% of the iron in a meal. Seems like one would get calcium overload at that rate. They also mentioned black tea to block the iron but no numbers were given. It would appear that this work is still in its infancy. > >>> In article > >>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > It would appear that this work is still in its > infancy. You seem to live in a mirror universe, trying to raise your BP and avoiding Fe+++ and Ca++. I take prunella to lower my BP and the cuff is the only way I have of guesstimating it's effectiveness. Fortunately, I grow my own, so once I have the dosage set, I don't need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into growing ginseng. SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related >>>>> In article >>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > need to worry about it for a few months. You may want to look into > growing ginseng. Thanks Billy, I sure will. >>>>>> In article >>>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Thanks Billy, I sure will. According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginseng it takes 4 or 6 years to grow it. > >>>>>> In article > >>>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginseng > it takes 4 or 6 years to grow it. What? You goin' some place? Some other plants for you to look at to raise blood pressure. Liquorice http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Glycyrrhiza+glabra Horse Chestnut (Buckeye) http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Aesculus+hippocastanum or any of the other plants on http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_use.php?K%5B%5D=Vasoconstrictor with vasocostrictor being the key element in the search. Bonne chance, SignatureBilly Bush Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related >>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>> <742043fb-0e98-4d8b-830f-4d3cbea9d25d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > What? You goin' some place? I need the high BP to go "some place." ;-) > Some other plants for you to look at to raise blood pressure. > > Liquorice > http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Glycyrrhiza+glabra I had this in my first list but read some negative things about it and dropped it. The LEF Disease Prevention and Treatment Expanded 4th Edition has lots or good things to say about it, so I'm reconsidering. > Horse Chestnut (Buckeye) > http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Aesculus+hippocastanum I already take that for leg veins. According to one report I read, taking it was the equivalent to using elastic stockings when flying. > or any of the other plants on > http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_use.php?K%5B%5D=Vasoconstrictor > > with vasocostrictor being the key element in the search. Will check it out. Thanks for the info. > Bonne chance, Merci! > I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > TIA. WHY is your blood pressure low? Citizen Jimserac >> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with >> salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac Does anyone know why their BP is whatever it is? Some of my siblings have high BP and others have low. I guess it maybe the genes. I have been a vegetarian (no fish, no meat) for almost 40 years and I also get lots of exercise. I take no drugs regularly and my doctor (A Board Certified Internist) says that I am in excellent condition, for 71. My vital organs have never given me any trouble. > >> I am one of those low BP guys who can get by with > >> salt and caffeine [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > for 71. My vital organs have never given me any > trouble. There are many many causes. A good physical exam from an MD and some tests might tell. Citizen Jimserac |
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