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Coleah - You don't seem to be "passing the hat" for Poleoy, yet...

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jurimed2@yahoo.com - 19 May 2008 19:38 GMT
Coleah - You don't seem to be "passing the hat" for Poleoy, yet...
What's going on?  You, and your friends, were such STRONG SUPPORTERS
of Polevoy's positions on the internet, encouraging him, as it were,
to pusue his fake lawsuit agaisnt one of America's heroes, Ilena
Rosenthal.

But now that he's lost that case and owes all that money to Ilena, it
seems that you, and your little group have become strangley silent.
What's going on?  Whwn can Ilena start seeing some money?

Concerned for justice in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 19 May 2008 20:00 GMT
On May 19, 11:38 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Coleah - You don't seem to be "passing the hat" for Poleoy, yet...
> What's going on?  You, and your friends, were such STRONG SUPPORTERS
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>
> Tim Bolen

Whose passing the hat for your IRS liens, Timmie???
JanDrew - 20 May 2008 02:13 GMT
Off-topic.

On May 19, 11:38 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Coleah - You don't seem to be "passing the hat" for Poleoy, yet...
> What's going on? You, and your friends, were such STRONG SUPPORTERS
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>
> Tim Bolen
Mark Probert - 20 May 2008 00:05 GMT
On May 19, 2:38 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Concerned for justice in California...

Yawn.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
news - 20 May 2008 00:36 GMT
Yep, there he is again, asleep in class.
On May 19, 2:38 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Concerned for justice in California...

Yawn.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mark Probert - 20 May 2008 13:39 GMT
> On May 19, 2:38 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

sTools, neither you nor Bolen have anything to teach me.

When you come to realize that, I hope it does ruin your day.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 20 May 2008 14:15 GMT
> > Yep, there he is again, asleep in class."Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> When you come to realize that, I hope it does ruin your day.

So, mark:

You are not very clear in your communications.  I can't tell from your
writings how the "pass the hat" process is succeeding.  You have to
know that the "interest" on Terry's crushing debt is piling up.  When
are you guys going to jump in with a check writing frenzy.  Eight of
you, dividing up the debt, comes out to only $40,000 US each.  What's
the problem.

You were all so "supportive" of his aims in the beginning.  Where's
that support now?  You know the old saying "put your money where your
mouth is?

You seem to be asleep at the wheel, here, it appears...

Getting impatient in California...

Tim Bolen
Mark Probert - 20 May 2008 14:22 GMT
> > > Yep, there he is again, asleep in class."Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> You are not very clear in your communications.  I can't tell from your
> writings how the "pass the hat" process is succeeding.  

That is because the hat should be passed to you where the sun does not
shine.

You have to
> know that the "interest" on Terry's crushing debt is piling up.  When
> are you guys going to jump in with a check writing frenzy.  Eight of
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>
> Getting impatient in California...

An alternative treatment for impatience is to take your computer and
slam it against a tree.

Try it, and get back to me on how well it works.
JanDrew - 21 May 2008 02:06 GMT
> > On May 19, 7:36 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> You are not very clear in your communications. I can't tell from your
> writings how the "pass the hat" process is succeeding.

That is because the hat should be passed to you where the sun does not
shine.

Forget to read Torah AGAIN, today?

You have to
> know that the "interest" on Terry's crushing debt is piling up. When
> are you guys going to jump in with a check writing frenzy. Eight of
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Getting impatient in California...

An alternative treatment for impatience is to take your computer and
slam it against a tree.

Temper, temper, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 21 May 2008 15:27 GMT
> > > > Yep, there he is again, asleep in class."Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> - Show quoted text -

Now mark:

You need to think this through before you get all emotional.  In North
America, we are, for the most part,  a community that bases our social
system on the Juedo/Christian Ethic.  We have put in place certain
methods to iron out problems that arise from our mermbership.  One of
those "methods," as it were, is the US Court system.  Scumbag Terry
Polevoy, and his (cough, cough) friends activated that method to,
supposedly, right a wrong in 2001 in Oakland,California.  We all know
now, that their efforts were not well received, neither by the courts
(all the way to the California Supreme Court), nor by the wordlwide
internet community, which, I'm sure you noticed, almost enmasse, came
in to the case with Amicus Briefs, pretty much sneering at the legal,
and other, claims of the gruesome threesome. - and, so it went.

Well, mark, our "method," and the activation of that "methoid," is not
without cost - and there comes a time when the Piper needs to be
paid.  You, and yours, were, and are, Polevoy's "support network," and
you, and yours, encouraged little Terry in his false claim - so, to
me, it means that you, and yours, according to the Judeo/Christian
Ethic, need now, to pick up the mantle of responsibility and go to the
next level of "support" and get out those checkbooks.

Ethical in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 21 May 2008 16:39 GMT
On May 21, 7:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Now mark:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-

Have you the IRS yet Tommie?  If not - it's time for you to get out
your checkbook, before you label yourself, "Ethical in California."
Jan Drew - 22 May 2008 07:17 GMT
Diversion snipped again.

>On May 21, 7:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Now mark:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 22 May 2008 14:21 GMT
> On May 21, 7:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Myrl:

Are you, by your written contributions here, offering, as it were, to
help Coleah "pass the hat"in some significant way?

You know, if you could jump in and be the NINTH shareholder in what we
could call the "Polevoy Responsibility Project,"  you could bring the
individual share down to $34,555.55 each.  Think of that!

Even more helpful in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 22 May 2008 14:45 GMT
On May 22, 6:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Myrl:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-

Tell you what Timmie - When you and Ilena pay off your IRS liens, and
Ilena pays what she owes Coleah on the O'Leary judgement, then we'll
talk about my possibly holding a bake sale on my front lawn.  You guys
FIRST!
Coleah - 22 May 2008 15:11 GMT
> On May 22, 6:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> talk about my possibly holding a bake sale on my front lawn.  You guys
> FIRST!

I can see that when I take a trip for a few days, smartass Timmie gets
bored.  If he and his wife put forth as much energy paying their own
debts as they do in questioning Polevoy, they might pay something
toward the $100,000 they have racked up with the IRS and State of
California over 10 years.

How do they stay in business?  Why doesn't the IRS and State of
California shut them down?  Inquirying minds want to know!

Poor Hulda Clark picked a lemon with hiring Timmie to improve her
imagine in the universe....ha, ha, ha.
JanDrew - 23 May 2008 04:12 GMT
Diversion Alert!!

"Coleah"  

> smartass Timmie  

>Hulda Clark
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 23 May 2008 21:11 GMT
> > On May 22, 6:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Coleah:

Wee you visiting Polevoy?  How was it with two of you hiding under one
bed?

Amused in California...

Tim Bolen
Coleah - 23 May 2008 23:28 GMT
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On May 23, 3:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On May 22, 6:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Myrl:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > > > Even more helpful in California...
> > > > Tim Bolen-

> > > Tell you what Timmie - When you and Ilena pay off your IRS liens, and
> > > Ilena pays what she owes Coleah on the O'Leary judgement, then we'll
> > > talk about my possibly holding a bake sale on my front lawn.  You guys
> > > FIRST!

> > I can see that when I take a trip for a few days, smartass Timmie gets
> > bored.  If he and his wife put forth as much energy paying their own
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> > Poor Hulda Clark picked a lemon with hiring Timmie to improve her
> > imagine in the universe....ha, ha, ha.- Hide quoted text -

> Coleah:
>
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>
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===================================

Tim, just a warning about your unfortunate spelling and typing
errors....Jan Drew (the unofficial self-appointed newsgroup spelling
judge) is taking notes and keeping score.

Actually, I headed to the Costa Rice condo.....and I don't 'hide'
under beds.  (Let's see Jan get all over this one).
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 24 May 2008 05:42 GMT
> =============
> On May 23, 3:11 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Coleah:

Was Polevoy with you in Costa Rica?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen
Coleah - 24 May 2008 15:35 GMT
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On May 23, 11:42 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Coleah:
> Was Polevoy with you in Costa Rica?
>
> Curious in California...
> Tim Bolen
----------------------------------

Jeez Bolen, you sound like you're digging for a 'hot story' for some
cheap tabloid <VBG>......or perhaps for your funky Newsletter?
Jan Drew - 25 May 2008 05:37 GMT
> Jan Drew

Is not the subject.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 26 May 2008 03:03 GMT
> > Jan Drew
>
> Is not the subject.

Let's try this one more time.  Maybe coleah missed the original
message, while she and Polevoy were touring costa Rica?

Coleah - You don't seem to be "passing the hat" for Poleoy, yet...
What's going on?  You, and your friends, were such STRONG SUPPORTERS
of Polevoy's positions on the internet, encouraging him, as it were,
to pusue his fake lawsuit agaisnt one of America's heroes, Ilena
Rosenthal.

But now that he's lost that case and owes all that money to Ilena, it
seems that you, and your little group have become strangley silent.
What's going on?  Whwn can Ilena start seeing some money?

Concerned for justice in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 26 May 2008 03:18 GMT
On May 25, 7:03 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Let's try this one more time.  Maybe coleah missed the original
> message, while she and Polevoy were touring costa Rica?
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>
> Tim Bolen

Let's try this one more time, Timmie - You seem to be ignoring an
offer I made the other day.

Tell you what Timmie - When you and Ilena pay off your IRS liens, and
Ilena pays what she owes Coleah on the O'Leary judgement, then we'll
talk about my possibly holding a bake sale on my front lawn.  You
guys
FIRST!

I'm concerned for the taxpaying citizens of the USA, and California,
as well as for Justice.

Myrl
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 26 May 2008 07:27 GMT
> On May 25, 7:03 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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Myrl:

I don't think you are grasping the seriousness of the situation that
all of you "Polevoy supporters" created, and I am utterly appalled at
your group ambivalence towards accepting responsibility for your
actions encouraging Canada's health care, and courtroom, embarassment,
Terry Polevoy, in his very publicized, very flawed, and very kicked
down, smashed, squished (insert your own appropriate adjective here)
assault.

A "bake sale" just isn't going to cut it.  You couldn't even raise
enough to pay one day's interest on the debt with that.  You, and all
of you, need to line up - and cough up a big wad of cash - and soon -
for the debt is growing.

I am appalled, too, at your group's "back turning" on Polevoy.  When
all of you thought he was "the man," and that, as we already knew, his
incredibly stupid lawsuit was pertineny, ALL of you cheered him on.

And, now look what you do - nothing....  Leaving him to die, as it
were, in the gutter.

What happened to the Judo/Christion ethic?

However, if you just call up Coleah, and offer to help her "pass the
hat" you might just sleep better at night.   You could salve that
guilt quite a bit with an honest effort.

Disappointed in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 26 May 2008 14:01 GMT
On May 25, 11:27 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Myrl:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-

Timmie - I don't think you grasp the seriousness of anything -
including reality!
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 26 May 2008 16:08 GMT
> On May 25, 11:27 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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Myrl:

I guess all of you, with your action, or inaction, are agreeing that
Polevoy deserves what he gets.  Of course he does.

I suppose a good case could be made that it was a good thing that all
of you cheered him on - for it should serve as a lesson to your side
about the "reality" of who you, and your group really are, and what
you are.

On the other hand, I can't help but remember back in 1999 when Hulda
Clark was under attack from the scum brigade with that fake lawsuit,
and that fake arrest, I put out a call for money and in just a few
weeks Clark asked me to stop because $157k came in, and there was
nothing to spend it on.

There is I guess, a big difference in the way things happen on our
side (Good) versus your side (Evil).

I guess we'll all just sit here and watch Polevoy be hounded, and
hounded - as he should be, of course.  I'll keep you posted on how it
goes, giving you a blow-by-blow of his hiding, squeaking in fear,
whining, and pants-pissing as it occurs.

Rghteous, and amused, in California...

Tim Bolen
Myrl - 26 May 2008 19:17 GMT
On May 26, 8:08 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Myrl:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-

Timmie - You PROJECT too much, and REFLECT too little!

If I were a bettin' woman - which I am, I'd say your behavior here on
newsgroups, is more about your own pants pissin' than anyone else's.

You aren't afraid of a little first party libel litigation are you???
Anyone feeling a little righteous while owing the IRS and the State of
California as much money as you do, has got to be a little warped!
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 28 May 2008 02:54 GMT
> You aren't afraid of a little first party libel litigation are you???
> Anyone feeling a little righteous while owing the IRS and the State of
> California as much money as you do, has got to be a little warped!

This is indeed getting interesting. How you do think that this would
work?
David Wright - 26 May 2008 19:34 GMT
>> On May 25, 11:27 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>There is I guess, a big difference in the way things happen on our
>side (Good) versus your side (Evil).

Yes -- clearly, "your side" is full of credulous nitwits who'd back
the silliness of a Hulda Clark.  Hooray for your side.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
Peter Bowditch - 26 May 2008 22:11 GMT
>On the other hand, I can't help but remember back in 1999 when Hulda
>Clark was under attack from the scum brigade with that fake lawsuit,
>and that fake arrest, I put out a call for money and in just a few
>weeks Clark asked me to stop because $157k came in, and there was
>nothing to spend it on.

And of course this income was declared to the IRS and all appropriate
taxes paid.

Oh, that's right - you don't do income tax, do you?

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Mark Probert - 27 May 2008 14:02 GMT
On May 26, 11:08 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On the other hand, I can't help but remember back in 1999 when Hulda
> Clark was under attack from the scum brigade with that fake lawsuit,
> and that fake arrest,

There was no fake suit nor fake arrest. The fact was that they had her
cold on practising medicine without a license. She moved to avoid
prosecution and the State of Indiana sat on its a.s too long before
they had her arrested, so she got off on a technicality.

And, of course, her "treatment" killed Esther Figueroa.

I put out a call for money and in just a few
> weeks Clark asked me to stop because $157k came in, and there was
> nothing to spend it on.

P. T. Barnum.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 27 May 2008 23:39 GMT
> On May 26, 11:08 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> P. T. Barnum.

Poor mark:

Can't get any facts straight at all.  Yes, it was a fake lawsuit -
dreamed up in a basement (full of Radon?) by an idiot,  I think.  When
the so-called Plaintiffs, including Esther Figueroa, alive and well,
by the way, I believe it was seven years after she saw Clark, realized
they had "been had," FIRED Christopher Grell and did not challenge the
Dismissal.

The judge in the criminal case was aghast, so was the county Sheriff,
to "suddenly" see an arrest warrant that never existed before, "pop
up" in the NCIC computer.

It was an easy case to win - and it was great fun uncovering the
sleazy quackbuster role - and exposing it to the public - and watching
the laughter.

Funny how a two day session with Clark could kill Esther Figueroa
seven years later.  That's almost as good a story as shitbag bobbie
baratz trying to convince the State of Wisconsin that a man was killed
by chelation therapy three and a half years later, after he had
chelation, while he was plowing his field at 92 years old...

Quit sucking on those old lead sinkers out of your tackle box, mark...

Amused in California...

Tim Bolen
Mark Probert - 28 May 2008 13:39 GMT
On May 27, 6:39 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On May 26, 11:08 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> Poor mark:

Wrong, as usual.

> Can't get any facts straight at all.  

You would not know a fact if it bit you in the a.s.

Yes, it was a fake lawsuit -
> dreamed up in a basement (full of Radon?) by an idiot,  I think.  

You just lied. There is no evidence that you are capable of that, i.e.
thinking.

When
> the so-called Plaintiffs, including Esther Figueroa, alive and well,
> by the way, I believe it was seven years after she saw Clark, realized
> they had "been had," FIRED Christopher Grell and did not challenge the
> Dismissal.

Of course, the facts in that suit showed that the defense's stalling
tactics, etc. so dealyed discovery and depostions that it was
impossible for Mrs. Figueroa to come to the depositions, which were
not in her state of residence, but accross the country, because she
was just too sick to travel.

> The judge in the criminal case was aghast, so was the county Sheriff,
> to "suddenly" see an arrest warrant that never existed before, "pop
> up" in the NCIC computer.

Agasht? So you say. Bull sh.t.

There was ample evidence for the criminal accusatory instrument to be
filed. Thus, there was E V I D E N C E of her criminal behavior. .

> It was an easy case to win - and it was great fun uncovering the
> sleazy quackbuster role - and exposing it to the public - and watching
> the laughter.

You use mirrors for that, i.e. watching laughter.

> Funny how a two day session with Clark could kill Esther Figueroa
> seven years later.  

You would think a person's death is funny. That is a comment on your
lack of character.

Clark's "treatment" dissuaded Mrs. Figueroa from getting real
treatment.

That's almost as good a story as shitbag bobbie
> baratz trying to convince the State of Wisconsin that a man was killed
> by chelation therapy three and a half years later, after he had
> chelation, while he was plowing his field at 92 years old...

That is not unlikely, if the man went for chelation for ASHD and died
of it, since ASHD is useless for treating that condition.

> Quit sucking on those old lead sinkers out of your tackle box, mark...

I will not say what you suck on. Suffice it to say that you suck more
than any black hole.
Jan Drew - 29 May 2008 04:05 GMT
"Mark S Probert", Merrick, NY
Did NOT read Torah today.
He lies over and over.
Lack of character--Mark S Probert.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 30 May 2008 02:50 GMT
> On May 27, 6:39 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> I will not say what you suck on. Suffice it to say that you suck more
> than any black hole.

mark:

You really are a poor researcher.  You remind me of Stephen Barrett.
In regard to your comment below, about depositions:

"Of course, the facts in that suit showed that the defense's stalling
tactics, etc. so dealyed discovery and depostions that it was
impossible for Mrs. Figueroa to come to the depositions, which were
not in her state of residence, but accross the country, because she
was just too sick to travel. "

The depositions were scheduled at a hotel meeting room on East 36th
Street in Manhattan - I was there waiting with attorney Carlos
Negrete.  When the so-called Plaintiffs didn't show up, we waited four
extra hours before we began and ended the deposition.  As I recall,
wet then changed clothes and took a helicopter ride around Manhattan.
I still have the photos of the Twin Towers taken from the helicopter.
Then we went and had dinner in Little Italy.

Then about your stupid comment:

"There was ample evidence for the criminal accusatory instrument to be
filed. Thus, there was E V I D E N C E of her criminal behavior. ."

I was sitting right there, smiling, when the Judge ruled. The Judge
ruled there was no cause for any of these charges to come to her
Court.  That's what it means when  judge throws out a case.

No wonder you lost your law ticket...  You can't hold facts together.

Amused in California...

Tim Bolen
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 30 May 2008 07:17 GMT
Coleah:

How much money have you raised?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen
Coleah - 30 May 2008 18:36 GMT
On May 30, 1:17 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Coleah:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen

=====================
Did someone make an insignificant fart
in the universe to arouse attention ?

Oh...it was the lonely Bolen Bogger.
Jan Drew - 31 May 2008 02:58 GMT
[  ]

Well, how much have you raised for your buddy?

On May 30, 1:17 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Coleah:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 28 May 2008 02:53 GMT
> Timmie - I don't think you grasp the seriousness of anything -
> including reality!

Myrl, he does, and if you really understood what he believes in, you
might understand him.  He is hardly (read his website) is a
cheerleader for Quackwatch but believes in pro choice in health care.
The cheerleaders for Quackwatch would appear to  believe in no choice,
is this how you believe?  I'm getting the message here that you do not
care for Timmie, however, if you believe in pro choice then you do
believe in the values he believes in.  And if you do, you have found
common ground.
Mark Probert - 28 May 2008 13:41 GMT
On May 27, 9:53 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Timmie - I don't think you grasp the seriousness of anything -
> > including reality!
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> cheerleader for Quackwatch but believes in pro choice in health care.
> The cheerleaders for Quackwatch would appear to  believe in no choice,

You keep saying that after being told that those people who question
alternative treatments believe in fully informed choice.

> is this how you believe?  I'm getting the message here that you do not
> care for Timmie, however, if you believe in pro choice then you do
> believe in the values he believes in.  And if you do, you have found
> common ground.
Bedbackwards - 04 Jun 2008 20:01 GMT
> You keep saying that after being told that those people who question
> alternative treatments believe in fully informed choice.

I was at a research clinic in Texas (the one that was visited by a
blonde haired thug about a month prior to my visit); he believes in
continuing to see your regular doctor and that everyone that goes
there is advised that the research has been proven to be effective for
an array of allergies.  I've watched my allergies improve in the 3
different research efforts I've participated in.  I've also had one
effort stay the same.  It takes approximately 5 months for all of the
symptoms (allergies) to disappear.  Interesting is that people want
the "magic pill" that works and heals 100%.  This would hold true all
of forms of medicine.  That first prescription drug use doesn't cure
the disease, nor should the first treatment of an alternative type of
research be expected to as well.  However, as with any type of
medicine, it takes time to see the results if a treatment protocol is
going to work or not.  Those that are ignorant about medicine in
general, are the ones that  I refer to as the real quacks.  People go
off complaining that something didn't work when they only took 2 pills
or had one treatment.  I take part in  pretty much traditional
medicine, but I also believe in trying and participating in
research.

Being ignorant about treatment protocols and claim they don't work
because you don't know anything about them, or do not have any
personal experience in the matter shows a biased opinion.    Many of
those that post here do not have any real practical experience in
alternative treatment forms.   But just like the research clinic I
visited, and interviewed the doctor, and participated, many MDS are
sending clients to that client because they have seen the good results
of the treatment protocols there.
Mark Probert - 04 Jun 2008 22:12 GMT
> > You keep saying that after being told that those people who question
> > alternative treatments believe in fully informed choice.
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> those that post here do not have any real practical experience in
> alternative treatment forms.  

Hiya Debster!

I do not have any real practical experience in jumping out of planes
without a parachute. I do know that it is not s good idea.

I learned that years ago when I did one jump where my chute was not
properly packed and did not open. My reserve worked just fine, just
having it open at 400 feet was not a thrill. .

But just like the research clinic I
> visited, and interviewed the doctor, and participated, many MDS are
> sending clients to that client because they have seen the good results
> of the treatment protocols there.
Bedbackwards - 04 Jun 2008 22:54 GMT
> I do not have any real practical experience in jumping out of planes
> without a parachute. I do know that it is not s good idea.

That would be a no brainer - but that is miles apart from a discussion
on
alternative care therapies.

> I learned that years ago when I did one jump where my chute was not
> properly packed and did not open. My reserve worked just fine, just
> having it open at 400 feet was not a thrill. .

I've jumped once myself, but my chute did open, and I was flying
tandem and
was not afraid.
Mark Probert - 05 Jun 2008 14:21 GMT
> > I do not have any real practical experience in jumping out of planes
> > without a parachute. I do know that it is not s good idea.
>
> That would be a no brainer -

Well, that makes YOU the expert.

> > I learned that years ago when I did one jump where my chute was not
> > properly packed and did not open. My reserve worked just fine, just
> > having it open at 400 feet was not a thrill. .
>
> I've jumped once myself, but my chute did open, and I was flying
> tandem and was not afraid.

Only one? I am approaching 2000.
Coleah - 27 May 2008 01:05 GMT
On May 26, 1:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On May 25, 7:03 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
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I see Timmie still has not found a useful hobbie and has nothing
better to do on this Memorial Day.  I've been remembering fallen
heroes and laying a loved one to rest. Please STFU.
Jan Drew - 27 May 2008 02:56 GMT
On May 26, 1:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 25, 7:18 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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I see Timmie still has not found a useful hobbie and has nothing
better to do on this Memorial Day.  I've been remembering fallen
heroes and laying a loved one to rest. Please STFU
-----------------------------------------

Laying a loved one to rest, then posting in this manner.
NOT practicing Christian, Coleah P Ayres.
Coleah - 27 May 2008 22:10 GMT
> On May 26, 1:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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And the horse you rode in on, Jan Drew.  And for Christ's sake if
you're going to harrass me about my spiritual life, at least learn to
spell my name correctly.  What a baffoon!  (We know why James is
abusive to you, but you don't have to stay up late drinking yourself
to death.)
Jan Drew - 01 Jun 2008 02:55 GMT
On May 26, 8:56 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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>>And the horse you rode in on, Jan Drew.

None.

>>And for Christ's sake

No need to take the Lord's name in vain.
You keep doing it proving you are not a Christian.

>> if you're going to harrass me about my spiritual life

No harassing, evidently you have no spiritual life.

>> at least learn to
spell my name correctly.

I did.

>>What a baffoon!  (We know why James is
abusive to you,

That's the second time you have posted that Blatant lie.
I suggest you retract it immediately.

>>but you don't have to stay up late drinking yourself
to death.)

I do NOT drink as you are suggesting.

NON Christian.
Jan Drew - 26 May 2008 07:32 GMT
Nothing but a repeated diversion.
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 28 May 2008 02:47 GMT
> I'm concerned for the taxpaying citizens of the USA, and California,
> as well as for Justice.

Myrl, I called the IRS a couple of days ago, and they said if they
were really worried, they
would be on Timmie.  It would appear that there would appear to be
individuals here that are worried about Timmie's tax burden, which you
should take off of your plate --- the IRS handles their own
collections, not us taxpayers.
Peter Bowditch - 26 May 2008 08:26 GMT
>But now that he's lost that case and owes all that money to Ilena,

If he owes money to anyone it would be to Ilena's lawyers, who were
smart enough to make sure that she didn't get her hands on any before
they were paid.

> it
>seems that you, and your little group have become strangley silent.
>What's going on?  Whwn can Ilena start seeing some money?

Never, unless her lawyers offer to give her some of what is theirs.

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Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 24 May 2008 06:32 GMT
> Poor Hulda Clark picked a lemon with hiring Timmie to improve her
> imagine in the universe....ha, ha, ha.- Hide quoted text -

Coleah, I've been reading up on Hulda Clark, and I think some of the
stuff that has been stated about "her work," around these parts comes
from ignorant people that do not understand the principles of
research.  I just finished an interview with a gentlemen that runs a
research clinic in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.  He once had an office
at the Environmental Health Center (Dr. Rea),  he is listed on the
Quackwatch pages as being "questionable practices."  There is nothing
that is going on at this research clinic that is "questionable" in the
first place.  It would appear that there are just some pretty close
minded individuals that do not understand the principles of quantum
physics.  Four weeks ago, a hoodlum/thug showed up at this research
center, "borrowed" a key without asking (hasn't returned it yet), and
it would appear based on entertainment factors that the place is
bugged.  This thug is rather large and tall in height, has blonde
frizzy hair, and
and was most interested in getting in the building---when he was
looking for the landlord (who had long ago moved out and retired by
first name), and couldn't get in posing as dental supplies
salesperson, then he followed the researcher and his wife to the
office supply store, and borrowed the key to the building without
asking permission.  Now, why would Quackwatch, put this research
center up as being a questionable practice?  My only guess is that
they do not understand what the research is all about, and since
nothing there is  illegal, that it would appear that they lack the
educational background in the subject and therefore they have labelled
it quackery.    I spent a great deal of time as I am interested in the
treatment for austitic children and the treatment of lymes disease.
Even reputable MD's are sending their patients to him for
assistance.

I know you have said that there are parts of Quackwatch that you do
not support, and some that you do, but I'm starting to see a trend
here.  After learning more about quantum physics this past week,
learning that his place would appear to be bugged, and seeing the
center on QW's pages I'm beginning to think that QW is a bigger joke
than ever.

Hopefully the Canadian goose will pay his debt soon, so that O'Leary
will get paid, and all of this will behind all of you soon.
Myrl - 24 May 2008 14:32 GMT
On May 23, 10:32 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote:

> learning that his place would appear to be bugged,

It seems to me that if a place "appears" to be bugged, then the person
that owns the place, would simply get an expert in and debug the
place, rather than trying to promote a conspiracy theory.
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 28 May 2008 02:42 GMT
> It seems to me that if a place "appears" to be bugged, then the person
> that owns the place, would simply get an expert in and debug the
> place, rather than trying to promote a conspiracy theory.

Myrl, I am thinking you meant your post to be humorous, right?   Did I
mention "promoting a conspiracy theory?"  Absolutely not.  However, it
is pretty much known where the thugs are coming from, and I'm sure
they enjoyed the conversation about the lunatics that support the
Quackwatch group!!

No one should have to spend money to "debug" their own place of
business, and those individuals that planted the bugs in the first
place would appear to be a very unethical group of people.  Everything
that transpires in that research center is completely legally, and it
is not a sin to know as much as the Air Force knows.
Coleah - 24 May 2008 15:27 GMT
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On May 24, 12:32 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Poor Hulda Clark picked a lemon with hiring Timmie to improve her
> > imagine in the universe....ha, ha, ha.- Hide quoted text -
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> Hopefully the Canadian goose will pay his debt soon, so that O'Leary
> will get paid, and all of this will behind all of you soon.

Glad you are back and hope you are feeling better.

I wouldn't get all excited about Dr. Polevoy's money in any way, shape
or form paying off the O'Leary Judgment.....as it is all earmarked to
go to Attorney Goldowitz and crew......unless for some reason THEY
might wish to pay off the O'Leary Judgment against Ilena
Rosenthal......but I really wouldn't hold my breath.
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 28 May 2008 02:44 GMT
> Glad you are back and hope you are feeling better.

I am not back, and I  wasn't feeling sick.  I am in Dallas on personal
business; interviewing alternative health care professionals.
JanDrew - 23 May 2008 04:10 GMT
"Myrl"  

>Timmie  
>Ilena  

Not the subject.
Mark Probert - 23 May 2008 13:49 GMT
On May 22, 9:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On May 21, 7:27 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> Tim Bolen-

Timmie, you seem to have this obsession with "passing". Try some Beano
to clear it up.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 23 May 2008 21:09 GMT
> On May 22, 9:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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Quackpots:

I'm not clear here on what you are saying, so could you help me
clarify?

I'll be specific.  Are you "passing the hat" for Polevoy, and if, so,
how much maney have you collected?  Where are you intending to send th
emoney - to Polevoy (I don't advise that) or to Ilena Rosenthal
directly?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen

P.S.  Hurry - those Memorial Day sales won't last long...
Mark Probert - 23 May 2008 22:48 GMT
On May 23, 4:09 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On May 22, 9:21 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> emoney - to Polevoy (I don't advise that) or to Ilena Rosenthal
> directly?

Timmie, you are still passing that noxious by-product of digestion and
posting it here. Like I said, try some Beano:

http://www.beanogas.com/

However, if you do decide to try it, careful, as it will deflate your
head.
jurimed2@yahoo.com - 24 May 2008 05:40 GMT
> On May 23, 4:09 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
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mark:

So the check is in the mail?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen
Mark Probert - 27 May 2008 13:56 GMT
On May 24, 12:40 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On May 23, 4:09 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>
> So the check is in the mail?

Please learn how to read.
Jan Drew - 25 May 2008 05:46 GMT
"Mark S Probert forgot to read Torah today.
Myrl - 20 May 2008 18:56 GMT
> Getting impatient in California...
>
> Tim Bolen-

Is the IRS getting impatient with you Timmie?
JanDrew - 21 May 2008 02:08 GMT
Diversion + off topic.
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 24 May 2008 06:13 GMT
> Is the IRS getting impatient with you Timmie?

Myrl, how do you know for sure that Bolen is not paying the IRS in
payments?
His lien would still show up for the full amount until it was paid in
full.
Mark Probert - 27 May 2008 13:56 GMT
On May 24, 1:13 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Is the IRS getting impatient with you Timmie?
>
> Myrl, how do you know for sure that Bolen is not paying the IRS in
> payments?
> His lien would still show up for the full amount until it was paid in
> full.

Is there any evidence that he has a job?
Bedbackwards - 04 Jun 2008 19:48 GMT
> Is there any evidence that he has a job?

Is there any evidence that you have a job beyond posting in the
newsgroup?
Two or three - Shay!
Mark Probert - 04 Jun 2008 22:13 GMT
> > Is there any evidence that he has a job?
>
> Is there any evidence that you have a job beyond posting in the
> newsgroup?
> Two or three - Shay!

No, there is no evidence that he is employed. Meanwhile, I am .
Bedbackwards - 04 Jun 2008 22:55 GMT
> No, there is no evidence that he is employed. Meanwhile, I am .

Employed or own your own business?
Mark Probert - 05 Jun 2008 14:22 GMT
> > No, there is no evidence that he is employed. Meanwhile, I am .
>
> Employed or own your own business?

Having your own business is being employed. You work longer hours,
much longer hours.
news - 20 May 2008 15:39 GMT
Just another way to admit that you are not ignorant, only stupid. You have
my pity.
On May 19, 7:36 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, there he is again, asleep in class."Mark Probert"
> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

sTools, neither you nor Bolen have anything to teach me.

When you come to realize that, I hope it does ruin your day.
 
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