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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / June 2008Newsgroup Disclosure for MHA
For those participating, it is important to understand this Newsgroup is an "open" internet forum. As such, those participating in dialogue need to remember postings are saved and archived for retrieval at any time. If you are in any type of litigation, it may be in your best interest to guard what you say here, and decline sharing personal information about yourself. In fact, it’s a good idea to protect your privacy regardless. Real agendas, of those posting to or reading this board may not be known. There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting aging parents, children, spouses and employers, of those they have difference of opinions with! This is an additional reason to choose your involvement with this board wisely. In addition, simply because a person on this board is giving what APPEARS to be a legitimate identity, and is PURPORTING to have an interest in health issues, or is an advocate, simply doesn't make it so. Because the possibility of collecting up information (to possibly be used against them in litigation), and/or the ability to solicit donations from them for "non-profit" purposes, or for other nefarious reasons makes newsgroups a natural place to dwell. If a person purporting to be an advocate regularly uses foul or disrespectful language in their communication on this board, they are likely offending a good portion of the public in so doing. When these individuals offend the public, they are in the process of dividing public opinion against the collective community of those they proclaim to be advocating for, and are often seen as a PR nightmare to those they represent. There is a very old adage (and a game show), that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Collectively, mankind can only progress or achieve, as much as the weakest link will allow. Advice regarding legal representation on this board, is only as good as the person doing the steering, and that steering may be in a direction 180 degrees the opposite direction of where you need to go. This "IS" a place to discuss and debate the pro's and con's of alternative health. Although it may have been the intent of the original charter to expect respectful dialogue, newsgroups dwell in the wild, wild west of the internet, and no mandates can be really imposed, other than those enforced by Google, or other providers of newsgroups. Unfortunately, due to the loose nature of this board, there have been ongoing, arguments, fighting and disputes between individuals, which have little to do with health interests. It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private. For the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt a screen identity, and provide little personal information about yourself. More than most newsgroups, this newsgroup seems to be over populated with those obsessed with investigating the lives of others, and then broadcasting that information to the internet, web sites, and this newsgroup. Yet, many of those suffering from investigation obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to revealing information about themselves! > For those participating, it is important to understand this Newsgroup > is an "open" internet forum. As such, those participating in dialogue [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to > revealing information about themselves! Then--why did you post your personal information and picture on your real estate web site? > For those participating, it is important to understand this Newsgroup > is an "open" internet forum. As such, those participating in dialogue [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to > revealing information about themselves! Then--why did you post personal information and your picture on your real estate website? > It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private. For > the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to > revealing information about themselves! I would have to agree with your statement--however, as it would appear "your" friends that tap telephone lines, hack into computers, and either visit homes in neighborhoods not known to them or have other private investigators do so on their behalf, are not the kind of individuals that I choose to be friends with. That personal information was gathered for purposes of other than 'being friends" but for malicious, and harmful attacks on those of us that support pro choice in medical care. In the case of Dr. Rea, (whom I just saw today, and he looks great, by the way), I thought it was of interest that he should know that his former patient was stalked in her own neighborhood by a private investigator who would appear to know some of the Quackwatch crowd here, and was stalked in California, and continued to be stalked because I support the work he has done at the Environmental Health Center. I find it very unethical that individuals that were breast implant victims that do not support the MCS diagnosis, and would appear to support the efforts against MCS by the Quackwatch rah rah team. Yes, there is lots of litigation going down, none of which I am involved in and Monday, I found out that yet another researcher in the Texas area has also been stalked by yet another thug. It would appear that research doctor is being stalked in his own research facility. The thug assigned to that research center stole a key right off a key ring while the owner's wife was in an office supply store, but not before posing as a dental supplies salesman for the landlord's former business. He got the door slammed in his face. No one has anything to hide, and no one is doing anything illegal, yet these thugs are harassing those of us that support alternative healthcare. You may not be part of any litigation at present, Myrl, but who only knows what all of this is going to come down to. I've been stalked for 10 years; I do not know about you, but it certainly is OLD having to purchase new computers, switch telephone numbers, and have to teach everyone I talk to talk in circles---saying what we really mean off of the telephone line. It would appear that all of this action started in NY, and as it would appear is connected with the Quackwatch crowd that you would appear to support. On May 21, 11:10 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private. For > > the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > in NY, and as it would appear is connected with the Quackwatch crowd > that you would appear to support. Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your personal information has been posted to newsgroups. I was hoping that you would take a moment to actually prove that this has been done, since I cannot find any instance where it was. And, do get help for your paranoia. > And, do get help for your paranoia. As a lifestyle, it beats television. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ : Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your : personal information has been posted to newsgroups. It is kind of weird that on the one hand she is so adamantly opposed to having personal details of her life posted to usenet when she has asked others (e.g. me) to post personal details of their lives. : And, do get help for your paranoia. Then again, there are some people from whom rationality is not to be expected. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- There's something I must tell you, there's something I must say: The only really perfect love is one that gets away. > : Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your > : personal information has been posted to newsgroups. > > It is kind of weird that on the one hand she is so adamantly opposed to > having personal details of her life posted to usenet when she has asked > others (e.g. me) to post personal details of their lives. What strikes me as even weirder, is that she had complained for a long time that someone or some group (allegedly with known connections to MHA, but unnamed by her) had taken control of her computer, was using a keystroke logger, had access to her private e-mails, and had placed a number of programs on her computer--<boggle> yet she continued to use that computer, and all the while, continued to complain about what was happening with it. </boggle> I don't know about others, but I, for one, would have stopped using the computer as soon as I suspected something was wrong, at least until it was expertly cleaned of the malware. (Or to put this in language perhaps more appropriate for MHA--I wouldn't have used the computer until it had been expertly cleansed of the toxins within it.) > : And, do get help for your paranoia. > > Then again, there are some people from whom rationality is not to be expected. Rationality. A unshakable belief in alternative treatments. The two don't intersect.  SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 >> : Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your >> : personal information has been posted to newsgroups. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that computer, and all the while, continued to complain about what was > happening with it. </boggle> Well, that and followed her around, bugged her home, listened in on her pillow talk with shotgun microphones, etc. However, she is protecting herself and her privacy by not disclosing personal information to MHA. | "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against | | unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct | | before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson | +-------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---------+ > Well, that and followed her around, bugged her home, listened > in on her pillow talk with shotgun microphones, etc. > > However, she is protecting herself and her privacy by not > disclosing personal information to MHA. I have a complete understanding of what is transpiring here. I had a good practice session 5 years with a private investigator in the neighborhood that was "connected" to this newsgroup, same type of tactics, and know exactly what is going on. Only this time, it graduated to a wireless system, and whomever is involved now, gave me a free Comcast account to use --- but since I work from home, and it is keeping me from working, one can only imagine what will transpire from my loss of income, and my employer's point of view!! It isn't like my present wireless system and former wireless system providers don't know about this Comcast system in the neighborhood that is causing me problems. All it takes is a court order. Law enforcement are also aware of it. And law enforcement know I am not doing anything wrong either. Keep up with your theories --- they are pretty worthless...and quite laughable!! On May 22, 6:59 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > Well, that and followed her around, bugged her home, listened > in on her pillow talk with shotgun microphones, etc. > > However, she is protecting herself and her privacy by not > disclosing personal information to MHA. I have a complete understanding of what is transpiring here. I had a good practice session 5 years with a private investigator in the neighborhood that was "connected" to this newsgroup, same type of tactics, and know exactly what is going on. Only this time, it graduated to a wireless system, and whomever is involved now, gave me a free Comcast account to use --- but since I work from home, and it is keeping me from working, one can only imagine what will transpire from my loss of income, and my employer's point of view!! It isn't like my present wireless system and former wireless system providers don't know about this Comcast system in the neighborhood that is causing me problems. All it takes is a court order. Law enforcement are also aware of it. And law enforcement know I am not doing anything wrong either. Keep up with your theories --- they are pretty worthless...and quite laughable!! ------------------------------------ Obsessed with bugging and phones being taped since 1999 Does Debbee1023@aol.com ring a bell? Or http://www.louielouie.net/blog/?p=312 > What strikes me as even weirder, is that she had complained for a long > time that someone or some group (allegedly with known connections to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that computer, and all the while, continued to complain about what was > happening with it. </boggle> What bothers me is that an attorney hides behind a name that is not hers to begin with. I'm not even posting from my home.....I haven't been home in weeks.....do learn that not everyone sits at home and watches as the world goes by. : What bothers me is that an attorney hides behind a name that is not : hers to begin with. I take it that your issues with your parents over their having named you "Butterflies" are as yet unresolved. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." > I take it that your issues with your parents over their having named you > "Butterflies" are as yet unresolved. You take it wrong, as usual. I'd be posting to Butterflies1111 but that account disappeared while I was in Texas. :> I take it that your issues with your parents over their having named you :> "Butterflies" are as yet unresolved. : You take it wrong, as usual. I'd be posting to Butterflies1111 but : that account disappeared while I was in Texas. Yet another Context-ectomy successfully performed by Bee. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > Yet another Context-ectomy successfully performed by Bee. I don't know whose account this is---but whomever it belongs to is responsible for my postings........apparently didn't like the Butterflies 1111 account and zapped it before I left Texas. Nancy Knisley (aka)"MothWrangler" *I can't read too many of the posts on MHA myself. The sheer magnitude of uneducated (and not just uneducated, but *proudly* uneducated), illogical, magical, and delusional thinking there makes me too Woo-zy.* > Rationality. A unshakable belief in alternative treatments. The two > don't intersect. Then there are attorneys who sit themselves in newsgroups in what would appear to be only an interest to stifle speech about alternative therapies for which they have no real knowledge. Yep, the two don't intersect. It would take an attorney with an open mind to "get it" about alternative treatments available. As my conventional physician says, "she believes in that neither side has all of the answers to medical questions, and the two must work hand in hand to discover what is best for the patient." Now, I understand why you get "woozy," it would appear that your understanding level about how alternative therapies work for people wasn't programmed correctly. If you are really an attorney that practices in the field of autism, then it would make better sense to learn more about different kinds of therapy that could be beneficial to your clients instead of keeping your head buried in the sand. > Then again, there are some people from whom rationality is not to be expected. It would appear you are speaking for yourself, am I not correct? On May 22, 10:50 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Then again, there are some people from whom rationality is not to be expected. > > It would appear you are speaking for yourself, am I not correct? Nope. He was speaking of you. > Nope. He was speaking of you. He should have been speaking about you. On May 24, 1:54 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Nope. He was speaking of you. > > He should have been speaking about you. Well, he was not, as you acknowledged by saying that "he should have been speaking about you." Cue Debster to either ignore this post, or snip it to change meaning. Off-topic. > In article <4e2e6b2c-0826-454b-ba14-357fa328d...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > having personal details of her life posted to usenet when she has asked > others (e.g. me) to post personal details of their lives. And, she has never hesitated to snoop into a persons background and post the results of her snooping in the newsgroups. A truly amazing level of hypocrisy. > : And, do get help for your paranoia. > > Then again, there are some people from whom rationality is not to be expected. True. > And, she has never hesitated to snoop into a persons background and > post the results of her snooping in the newsgroups. A truly amazing > level of hypocrisy. Let's get one thing straight --- I know who you are, what you are, and the image you like to maintain in these newsgroups is utter bullshit. Ilena's page about you is way too nice. The war is over in Viet Nam, isn't it time you came home and quit playing super spy? > And, she has never hesitated to snoop into a persons background and > post the results of her snooping in the newsgroups. A truly amazing > level of hypocrisy. Got that backassedwards pal. > > And, she has never hesitated to snoop into a persons background and > > post the results of her snooping in the newsgroups. A truly amazing > > level of hypocrisy. > > Got that backassedwards pal. 1) I am not, and never will be, your pal. 2) You were the one who snooped in Florida and posted links to someone's business. 'nuf said. > > Got that backassedwards pal. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 'nuf said. No, let's tell it like it really is, you have been snooping for a long time...long before I looked up in public records from the internet, after you and your buddies started posting information about me, that's when I did it to you, only you didn't like it. 'nuf said as to whom the real a-hole is. Don't like my posts, take it up with the Comcast subscriber whose wireless system is invading my home. > > > Got that backassedwards pal. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > No, let's tell it like it really is, you have been snooping for a long > time... I have? Do take a minute and prove that. Prove I have gone back twenty years, or more, and found your, or anyone's, personal information, and then posted it in mha. <Play Jeopardy theme song> long before I looked up in public records from the internet, > after you and your buddies started posting information about me, > that's when I did it to you, only you didn't like it. You claim that I posted information about YOU. Prove it. You cannot. > 'nuf said as to whom the real a-hole is. Don't like my posts, take it > up with the Comcast subscriber whose wireless system is invading my > home. Just goes to show how Comcast has no taste. > Just goes to show how Comcast has no taste. I don't have Comcast --- it's not my ISP provider----but someone gave it to me for free ---all through my house --- and whomever owns it is responsible for the posts. It is all very simple. On Jun 5, 2:03 am, Bedbackwards <bedbackward...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No, let's tell it like it really is, you have been snooping for a long > time... I have? Do take a minute and prove that. Prove I have gone back twenty years, or more, and found your, or anyone's, personal information, and then posted it in mha. <Play Jeopardy theme song> long before I looked up in public records from the internet, > after you and your buddies started posting information about me, > that's when I did it to you, only you didn't like it. You claim that I posted information about YOU. Prove it. You cannot. > 'nuf said as to whom the real a-hole is. Don't like my posts, take it > up with the Comcast subscriber whose wireless system is invading my > home. Just goes to show how Comcast has no taste. lol. Like the lumbercatel.com or l*i*mbercartel.com or l*a*ambercartel.com or l*o*mbercartel.com or l*ymbercartel.com All posted by Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY. Disbarred-dishoenst attorney. Who posts all day and claims to work. Poor Mark. Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-September 7, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 09-07...@lambercartel.com> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 10, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-10...@lymbercartel.com> From: M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 30, 2004 (M.a.r.k_P.r.o.b.e.r.t_04-30...@limbercartel.com) Newsgroups: alt.support.cerebral-palsy, misc.handicap From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 11, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 06-11...@lombercartel.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:11:24 GMT > And, do get help for your paranoia.- Not to worry, I know where it is, as does my attorney---and we know who posted what. I'm not the paranoid individual--the paranoid individuals are those that know what has transpired, and are trying to backpedal. I'd advise you to get a grip, but it would appear you have nothing to hold onto. On May 22, 10:48 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > And, do get help for your paranoia.- > > Not to worry, I know where it is, as does my attorney---and we know > who posted what. Sure you do. So far, you have yet to prove that anyone has posted any of your personal information that could be derived from your telephone, cell phone, etc. Rational people know you are imagining it. > I'm not the paranoid individual--the paranoid individuals are those > that know what has transpired, and are trying to backpedal. No one in these parts. > I'd advise you to get a grip, but it would appear you have nothing to > hold onto. I have a very firm grip on reality. It appaers that you lose your grip when you type. > I have a very firm grip on reality. It appaers that you lose your grip > when you type. No, you don't. As I said the little image you have painted of yourself isn't close to reality. On May 24, 1:53 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > I have a very firm grip on reality. It appaers that you lose your grip > > when you type. > > No, you don't. As I said the little image you have painted of > yourself isn't close to reality. Au contraire. I am quite in touch with reality. You, OTOH, have yet to meet it. > Au contraire. I am quite in touch with reality. You, OTOH, have yet to > meet it. Bullshit a-hole. Your game is quite recognizable. You want people to believe that they are going nuts when strange things start happening in their lives, when in fact they really are happening, and then you like to make it look like they are going crazy. These mind control games you play are really childish. > > Au contraire. I am quite in touch with reality. You, OTOH, have yet to > > meet it. > > Bullshit a-hole. OOOOOHHHH!!!! I am so NOT insulted. > Your game is quite recognizable. You want people to > believe that > they are going nuts when strange things start happening in their > lives, when in fact > they really are happening, You have yet to prove any of your claims, and specficially, you have not demonstrated where your personal informantion, not available elsewhere, was posted in this newsgroup. You have made many claims, but have yet to back them up. and then you like to make it look like they > are going crazy. Nah, you do a fine job all by yourself. > These mind control games you play are really childish. Sorry, but no one can control your mind. It is off the radar., > Sorry, but no one can control your mind. It is off the radar., Well, how not insulting was that? Not at all, considering it is pretty much common knowledge who the 4 key players in this mind control game are. By the way, there are comments with your name on them from the Fall of last year that only someone would know if they were in my personal life. I did not invite you in. So, when you accuse others of doing what you are and have been doing, who really is way off of the radar? Even M*A*S*H wouldn't want you to play a character! By the way, if you find out whose wireless Comcast account this is, would you let them know they are responsible for my posts here!! Considering I cannot use my own wireless account because someone hacked that new modem and new router---I figured any port in the storm--because Law enforcement told me whomever it belongs to is responsible.....cool, huh? Since I cannot get on to my system, because I was hacked again, and this one was overpowering mine, you'd think stupid people would "get it" that they responsible when they leave their systems wide open. :> Au contraire. I am quite in touch with reality. You, OTOH, have yet to :> meet it. : Bullshit a-hole. Your game is quite recognizable. You want people to : believe that they are going nuts when strange things start happening in their : lives, when in fact they really are happening, and then you like to make : it look like they are going crazy. Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting > brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. > > ----- Wrong. Maybe ask your friends -- one or two of them know a lot more than they are revealing. But then again, it might not be "Kosher" for you to know. :> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting :> brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. : Wrong. You're no Ingrid Bergman. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." >:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting >:> brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. > >: Wrong. > >You're no Ingrid Bergman. Few women are. (BTW - Thanks for the best MHA unintelligible-to-them cultural allusion of the week.) SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting >>:> brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Few women are. [B]ecause I am mad, I hate you. > (BTW - Thanks for the best MHA unintelligible-to-them cultural > allusion of the week.) Suddenly, I’m beginning not to trust my memory at all. (But I still recognize the reference.) SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 >>>:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting >>>:> brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Suddenly, Im beginning not to trust my memory at all. (But I still >recognize the reference.) As a certified WWWSC, you are a member of "us", not "them". And by "certified", I don't mean ... SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>>:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously getting >>>>:> brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to notice anything. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > As a certified WWWSC, you are a member of "us", not "them". I guess I should re-read the fine print on the back of my WWWSC wicked wicked membership card. If I ever knew that there were cross-membership privileges like this, I'd forgotten. But then, as I said above: "I'm beginning not to trust my memory at all." > And by "certified", I don't mean ... Well, I did say I was "mad." :-) BTW, I enjoy those see-if-you-can-spot-and-ID-the-cultural-allusions posts. Maybe even more than I like the punny ones. SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 Nancy Knisley (aka)"MothWrangler" <mothwrangler@hotmail.com> Has been Woo-zy 152 times. But--she claims she doesn't read MHA often. Proven lie. Nancy Knisley (aka)"MothWrangler" <mothwrangler@hotmail.com> Says she doesen't read MHA often, makes her Woo-zy :>:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously :>:> getting brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to :>:> notice anything. :>: Wrong. :> You're no Ingrid Bergman. : Few women are. How would you compare the number of women who are Ingrid Bergman to the number who are Angela Lansbury? (. . . to the number who are Rich Rosen. . .) ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" >:>:> Let me guess -- the gas lighting in your house has been mysteriously >:>:> getting brighter and dimmer, and your suave husband claims not to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >How would you compare the number of women who are Ingrid Bergman to the >number who are Angela Lansbury? (. . . to the number who are Rich Rosen. . .) With the aging demographics in most Western countries, I would think that there would be more Angelas than Ingrids, but further research is needed. Of course, even if there were no Ingrids at all we would still have Paris. As we are all Rich Rosen, the answer to that part of the question is easy. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On May 22, 10:48 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > On May 22, 8:01 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > And, do get help for your paranoia.- > > Not to worry, I know where it is, as does my attorney---and we know > who posted what. Sure you do. So far, you have yet to prove that anyone has posted any of your personal information that could be derived from your telephone, cell phone, etc. Rational people know you are imagining it. > I'm not the paranoid individual--the paranoid individuals are those > that know what has transpired, and are trying to backpedal. No one in these parts. > I'd advise you to get a grip, but it would appear you have nothing to > hold onto. I have a very firm grip on reality. It appaers that you lose your grip when you type. LOL! Like where the a and e is on your keyboard. Poor Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/A1974true/73819e3a.gif > Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your > personal information has been posted to newsgroups. I was hoping that > you would take a moment to actually prove that this has been done, > since I cannot find any instance where it was. Oh please, you really make me puke. Not only are you repulsive but you are a lousy liar. On May 22, 10:59 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your > > personal information has been posted to newsgroups. I was hoping that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh please, you really make me puke. Not only are you repulsive but > you are a lousy liar. But you did not answer my question. It seems that you have no answer because it is not true. Of course, you can prove me wrong. > But you did not answer my question. It seems that you have no answer > because it is not true. > > Of course, you can prove me wrong. I am not going to prove anything to you personally--- On May 24, 1:56 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > But you did not answer my question. It seems that you have no answer > > because it is not true. > > > Of course, you can prove me wrong. > > I am not going to prove anything to you personally--- You made the claim, i.e. that your personal information, knowable only by someone who is tapping your phone and hacking your computer, was posted in the newsgroups. All you have to do is to post the URL of the messages. Otherwise, this appears to be another imaginary Debbee story. > All you have to do is to post the URL of the messages. > > Otherwise, this appears to be another imaginary Debbee story. No imagination story at all. It's too bad I cannot access my wireless account -- the new modem would appear to have been hacked into, and so whomever owns this service that is interfering with mine is responsible. There have been many things posted that could not have possibly been known if the snooping had not been going on, and still is going on. Do try to get it right. > > All you have to do is to post the URL of the messages. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have possibly been known if the snooping had not been going on, and > still is going on. You say :many things" and have yet to point to one. Perhaps Pacific Lutheran University computer science department can help. > Do try to get it right. > You say :many things" and have yet to point to one. Perhaps Pacific > Lutheran University computer science department can help. I have several key people helping with this --- my WEP encryption account with Qwest was hacked. And now it appears that my WPA encryption account was also hacked. That is harder to do as I understand, but I did read on the internet where a guy by the name of Joshua Wright invented the tool to do it. Why would someone find what I am writing so entertaining? Unless of course they thought I was emailing people and sending secret messages......so whomever owns this wireless comcast account---I really do not know who to thank, but they are responsible for my posts. Cool, huh? > Of course, you can prove me wrong. I do not have to prove anything. > > Of course, you can prove me wrong. > > I do not have to prove anything. Of course you don't. However, by not doing so, it proves my point. Thanks for making it easy. > Of course you don't. However, by not doing so, it proves my point. > > Thanks for making it easy. I think you are smart enough all on your own (as others have pointed out to me, about your postings) to figure it out. If you cannot figure it out, should we all assume you were having an out of body experience when you made those posts? Woof Woof....find your own postings, doggie. > > Of course you don't. However, by not doing so, it proves my point. > > > Thanks for making it easy. > > I think you are smart enough all on your own (as others have pointed > out to me, about your postings) to figure it out. YOU made a claim. YOU prove it. Or, admit you lied. YOUR choice. If you cannot > figure it out, should we all assume you were having an out of body > experience when you made those posts? Do go and prove it. Try real hard. Or, just take the easy way out and admit you lied. > Woof Woof....find your own postings, doggie. You never pass up an opportunity to prove you are a moron. That is one of your endearing qualities. Maybe you only one. > YOU made a claim. YOU prove it. Or, admit you lied. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > figure it out, should we all assume you were having an out of body > > experience when you made those posts? Woof, woof, doggie, you know exactly what posts I am talking about -- you posted them----and I'm sitting here with them printed out, and I have an email here that is very entertaining, it connects you to my former residence to my present residence as does a post you made. Almost has entertaining as the telephone call I got awhile back from someone who had a telephone number they were not authorized to have. I suggest if you are doubting me, it is you that you should be doubting yourself, and the information you have received from other parties with regard to where I live. It just proves you were snooping into my private life well before I started looking into yours, and being connected to the world of private investigators (even though you are not a licensed private investigator in the State of New York), that you think that anyone that posts here that doesn't go along with the agenda you have the right to snoop into their lives. There is one particular post you made that is absolutely priceless. Every time I read it, I don't know whether to pity you or laugh!! It is far too late for backpedalling which is what you are attempting to make me do---I suppose you thought when you posted it you were being ever so clever, but it just proved the information in the email was correct. Duh. That email came last Fall, as did your post. > > YOU made a claim. YOU prove it. Or, admit you lied. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ever so clever, but it just proved the information in the email was > correct. Duh. That email came last Fall, as did your post. You are full of sh.t. No question. Liar. Post the links to the messages. You cannot. Liar. > Post the links to the messages. You cannot. Liar. I am looking at them right now. Calling me a liar about posts you made isn't very nice. > > Post the links to the messages. You cannot. Liar. > > I am looking at them right now. Calling me a liar about posts you > made isn't very nice. Prove that. Post the links. You cannot. You will not. You are a coward. > Prove that. Post the links. You cannot. You will not. You are a coward. I'm not posting anything - it is not my job to go back and point them out to you, it is your job to find them, and realize what you wrote and admit it. But, oh you couldn't do that you would have to admit what you were doing is wrong. Your diversion is well noted. Why should I go back and show them to you, when you should just admit you have been cyber stalking? For you to admit this, would mean that my old account was hacked longer than I originally thought and this would be proof because it rolled off of your fingertips! Carry on Wayward Son! > You are full of sh.t. No question. Liar. Well, I am not the only one to have read YOUR posts, and the email, so basically you are calling all of those that read your posts, and the email liars, is this what I understand you to be saying? Full of sh.t probably---I haven't pooped today-----but your creditability is slowing sinking into the sunset....with every post you make that says anything different than these posts. > > You are full of sh.t. No question. Liar. > > Well, I am not the only one to have read YOUR posts, and the email, so > basically you are calling all of those that read your posts, and the > email liars, is this what I understand you to be saying? No, dipwad, just Y O U. On Jun 5, 2:05 am, Bedbackwards <bedbackward...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:15 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think you are smart enough all on your own (as others have pointed > out to me, about your postings) to figure it out. YOU made a claim. YOU prove it. Or, admit you lied. YOUR choice. ========================= YOU do likewise, Mark S Probert!! Well, it must be time to post AGAIN the many claims you have made and not had a scintilla of real proof. Mark Probert Makes Another Claim. Let's See* IF* He Can PROVE It! You made a claim that you were a licensed babysitter. I was "just curious"? Re: Researcher (Sandra Cabot) and theWarns of Cancer Risk From rBGH (non-organic) Dairy Foods http://tinyurl.com/d4b23 http://tinyurl.com/c3qua http://tinyurl.com/7985k http://tinyurl.com/9l6sh http://tinyurl.com/cyhmt As I pointed out to the moron, he is far from ill. You STILL have not shown WHERE you pointed this out! >You made a claim that you were a licensed babysitter. I was "just curious"? You STILL haven't shown us WHERE I madede that claim! You see, you complained that I called Ilena at her ADVERTISED phone listing. You STILL haven't shown WHERE I did any such thing. >The thread started with a claim that vaccines suppress the immune system. >You agreed. Please do copy and paste where I agreed. You STILL haven't done so. >An one-time troll, screw-loose nutcase posted some diatriber and you now attack someone who has posted here for years. >> Attacking?? Just WHERE did Debbee attack DC? Please post the attacking! You STILL haven't been able to do so. >You admitted that you stalked me to asbi. OOOOps. Do copy and paste this >claim. You STILL haven't been able to do so. Jul 2 2004 > Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are reviewing them now. > Do show us they are being reviewed. I filed a complaint with the FTC after > I reviewed the URL you posted and saw the egregious violations. If and > when I hear from the FTC, I will let you know. == so you admit that you discriminated against children who were developmentally delayed and could not be potty trained before the age of 3. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/23715806498ff24c May 30, 2005 My mother was told that her discharge and lump would go away by themselves. One year later she underwent a radical mastectomy with lymph node discection including the axilla. One year after that we buried her. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/9f531720648d774d May 31, 2005 There was no lump, lump head. Jan 9th, 2006 Haley testifies for a fee, ergo, he is a professional expert witness. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/c74c400... Wed, Mar 16 2005 4:20 pm I will, as of this posting, Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM EST, unconditionally cease and desist from posting to Ilena, about Ilena or in response to Ilena. I hope that you, who have been a supporter of hers, will now move and directly ask her to do the same thing. Further, if she ceases her actions towards me, I will render the posts in the Fan Club unreadable. If she removes any and all webpages regarding me and/or my family, the Fan Club will cease to exist. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No conditions--huh, Markey?? Do go and prove EACH one. Try real hard. Or, just take the easy way out and admit you lied. On Jun 4, 2:32 pm, Bedbackwards <bedbackward...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 23, 5:44 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Of course, you can prove me wrong. > > I do not have to prove anything. Of course you don't. However, by not doing so, it proves my point. Thanks for making it easy. ======================== The point being Mark S Probert is a hypocrite. *I'll answer whichever questions I deem worthwhile. So far, you have never asked one which comes to the levelof being considered for answering. Mark Probert. On May 22, 10:59 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Debster, I asked you a few days ago about you allegations that your > > personal information has been posted to newsgroups. I was hoping that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh please, you really make me puke. Not only are you repulsive but > you are a lousy liar. Not true. I did ask you, and you did respond. A stupid response, but a response. > Not true. I did ask you, and you did respond. A stupid response, but a > response. It is not stupid, you do make me hurl. > > Not true. I did ask you, and you did respond. A stupid response, but a > > response. > > It is not stupid, you do make me hurl. Oh, it was stupid. And, you did not answer the question. > It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private. For > the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to > revealing information about themselves! Myrl, this was an excellent post. While I was away, I missed a lot of posts. Not all trees have wireless connections!! It is always a good idea not to put yourself in the middle of litigations as well. I noticed a post you made with reference to third party litigation (something like that anyways) and referencing Bolen, this would not be (I'm guessing here) something that you thought about writing all on your very own, so taking your own advice would appear to be prudent, right? There are numerous non profits connected to these newsgroups, and I wouldn't give a dime to any of them. I had to laugh, where someone suggested that you were now doing the PR for QW!! Because that would require a business license in your city, and fictitious business license, etc., and we know that isn't the case!! None of the litigation information should be posted here. That's why when I went on vacation, and became aware of the bugging taking place in the research clinic - I posted it here so that everyone knows about it so in case they go there, they know ahead of time, and don't reveal too much personal information about themselves. Just like whomever's Comcast account this is, that is invading my home unwanted, they are the ones that would find themselves involved in litigation, and not myself. One thing people should be aware of, that if there is an open wireless system in the neighborhood, that this increases the data traffic, and that consumers like myself that have consumer wireless systems run the risk of being hacked into without their knowledge!! However, the owners of the account are the ones that run the risk of being involved in litigation....so that's why I continue to post the information, so that those that appear to be involved in this here realize, they are the ones at fault, and not me!! Probert can brey and whine all he wants---but it's not like Comcast doesn't know!! And since I am using this system only to post here---duh on them!! Now, everywhere Debbee goes is bugged. A fetish with being *bugged*. On May 18, 4:38 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private. For > the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to > revealing information about themselves! Myrl, this was an excellent post. While I was away, I missed a lot of posts. Not all trees have wireless connections!! It is always a good idea not to put yourself in the middle of litigations as well. I noticed a post you made with reference to third party litigation (something like that anyways) and referencing Bolen, this would not be (I'm guessing here) something that you thought about writing all on your very own, so taking your own advice would appear to be prudent, right? There are numerous non profits connected to these newsgroups, and I wouldn't give a dime to any of them. I had to laugh, where someone suggested that you were now doing the PR for QW!! Because that would require a business license in your city, and fictitious business license, etc., and we know that isn't the case!! None of the litigation information should be posted here. That's why when I went on vacation, and became aware of the bugging taking place in the research clinic - I posted it here so that everyone knows about it so in case they go there, they know ahead of time, and don't reveal too much personal information about themselves. Just like whomever's Comcast account this is, that is invading my home unwanted, they are the ones that would find themselves involved in litigation, and not myself. One thing people should be aware of, that if there is an open wireless system in the neighborhood, that this increases the data traffic, and that consumers like myself that have consumer wireless systems run the risk of being hacked into without their knowledge!! However, the owners of the account are the ones that run the risk of being involved in litigation....so that's why I continue to post the information, so that those that appear to be involved in this here realize, they are the ones at fault, and not me!! Probert can brey and whine all he wants---but it's not like Comcast doesn't know!! And since I am using this system only to post here---duh on them!! |
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