WASHINGTON (AP) -- Parents claiming that childhood vaccines cause
autism should not be rewarded by the courts when the scientific
community has already rejected any link, government lawyers argued
Monday on the first day of a hearing in federal court.
Overall, nearly 4,900 families have filed claims with the U.S. Court
of Claims alleging that vaccines caused autism and other neurological
problems in their children. Lawyers for the families are presenting
three different theories of how vaccines caused autism. The theory at
issue Monday was whether vaccines containing the preservative
thimerosal caused autism.
Lynn Ricciardella, a Justice Department lawyer, said that theory has
not moved beyond the realm of speculation. She said that the Institute
of Medicine and theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention have
rejected any link between thimerosal and autism.
"There is no scientific debate," Ricciardella said. "The debate is
over."
Autism is a developmental disability that typically appears during the
first three years of life and affects a person's ability to
communicate and interact with others. Medical experts don't have a
comprehensive understanding of what causes autism, but they do know
there is a strong hereditary component.
Thimerosal has been removed in recent years from standard childhood
vaccines, except flu vaccines that are not packaged in single doses.
The CDC says single-dose flu shots currently are available only in
limited quantities.
Under a two-decades-old program, individuals claiming injury from a
vaccine must file a petition for "no-fault" compensation with the U.S.
Court of Federal Claims. The secretary of Health and Human Services
replaces the vaccine manufacturer or vaccine administrator to defend
the claim.
Two 10-year-old boys from Portland, Oregon, will serve as test cases
to determine whether thousands of families can be compensated.
Attorneys for the boys will try to show they were happy, healthy and
developing normally -- but, after being exposed to vaccines with
thimerosal, they began to regress.
To win, the attorneys for the two boys, William Mead and Jordan King,
will have to show that it's more likely than not that the vaccine
actually caused the injury, which they described as regressive autism.
Tom Powers, one of the boys' attorneys, acknowledged that the evidence
showing thimerosal led to regressive autism was indirect and
circumstantial. Still, it's clear in the case of the two boys that
they did not show any symptoms of autism until after they had received
all their immunizations.
"These are doctors who are willing to challenge the establishment on
behalf of their patients," Powers said.
The court Web site says more than 12,500 claims have been filed since
creation of the program in 1987, including more than 5,300 autism
cases, and more than $1.7 billion has been paid in claims. It says
there is now more than $2.7 billion in a trust fund supported by an
excise tax on each dose of vaccine covered by the program.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 13 May 2008 15:08 GMT
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Parents claiming that childhood vaccines cause
> autism should not be rewarded by the courts when the scientific
> community has already rejected any link, government lawyers argued
> Monday on the first day of a hearing in federal court.
That statement is true only if you accept some of the scientific data
and reject or ignore the rest. Many scientists, particularly in the
EPA, would claim a different cause and state that injected mercury is
far more toxic than ingested mercury. What do toxicologists claim
versus the immunologists?
> Thimerosal has been removed in recent years from standard childhood
> vaccines, except flu vaccines that are not packaged in single doses.
> The CDC says single-dose flu shots currently are available only in
> limited quantities.
This is more blatent confusion. Thimerosal has been reduced, but not
removed. Most vaccines still have around 3 micrograms per dose
compared to the earlier 25 mcg per dose. Our children are still being
exposed to large amounts of toxic mercury.
To add insult to injury, totally ignoring the scientific community and
the known toxicity of mercury for the unborn fetus and children under
1 year of age, the fools now want pregnant women injected with mercury
but....please do not eat the fish...as well as shooting more mercury
into infants with the flu shot.
If we are to end this insanity we will have to prove the toxicity of
mercury again, and then shove the data down the throats of big pharma
and the greedy lawyers.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
David Wright - 14 May 2008 05:01 GMT
>> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Parents claiming that childhood vaccines cause
>> autism should not be rewarded by the courts when the scientific
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>compared to the earlier 25 mcg per dose. Our children are still being
>exposed to large amounts of toxic mercury.
No, Cee, this has been explained to you multiple times, but your
nearly-impervious skull keeps bouncing facts away from what remains of
your brain. The vaccines, when they contain any mercury, contain less
than 0.3 micrograms, not 3. In other words, ten times less than you
are stating.
I'm not real hopeful that this particular fact will ever manage to
infuse itself into your consciousness, but I keep wishing.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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"There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers."
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Day Brown - 18 May 2008 04:13 GMT
> No, Cee, this has been explained to you multiple times, but your
> nearly-impervious skull keeps bouncing facts away from what remains of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I'm not real hopeful that this particular fact will ever manage to
> infuse itself into your consciousness, but I keep wishing.
Something is going on however. The TV says the autism rate is 1:155. In
my neck of the Ozarks, a school nurse told me it was 1:4000. The posted
rate for the Amish: 1:15,000.
This nurse, and other healthcare professionals I know would not let that
vaccine be used on their kids. I saw a UCSD researcher list 24 DNA
markers for autism. That hasta be sorted out of the data since different
regions have different bloodlines. They also have different diets that
may, or may not, be contaminated with mercury or other compounds.
D. C. Sessions - 18 May 2008 04:50 GMT
>> No, Cee, this has been explained to you multiple times, but your
>> nearly-impervious skull keeps bouncing facts away from what remains of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> I'm not real hopeful that this particular fact will ever manage to
>> infuse itself into your consciousness, but I keep wishing.
> Something is going on however. The TV says the autism rate is 1:155. In
> my neck of the Ozarks, a school nurse told me it was 1:4000. The posted
> rate for the Amish: 1:15,000.
Depends on your diagnostic criteria. The 1:150 rate is for all current
benefits-based autistic-spectrum conditions, which cover a *lot*.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/4/1028
It seems that other diagnostic groups (including "pervasive developmental
disorder") have been going _down_ at the same rate as "autistic spectrum
disorders" have been going up.
> This nurse, and other healthcare professionals I know would not let that
> vaccine be used on their kids. I saw a UCSD researcher list 24 DNA
> markers for autism. That hasta be sorted out of the data since different
> regions have different bloodlines. They also have different diets that
> may, or may not, be contaminated with mercury or other compounds.
Then again, since the rates have been increasing in areas such as
Scandinavia which never did have vaccines with thimerosol and have
*continued* to go up following removal of thimerosol in the USA,
one might just possibly conclude that the speculation isn't panning
out too well.
Or not -- it all depends on how much you have invested in the idea.
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| before reason can act on them" -- Thomas Jefferson |
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