>Brilliant article from two researchers questions both the mode and
>modus of the Homeopathy attacks
"Brilliant" is a strong word and certainly appears to be a severe
exaggeration in this case.
>from
>"The Growth of a Lie and the End of Conventional Medicine" by
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>Summary
>"Throughout its over 200-year history, homeopathy has been proven
>effective in treating diseases for which conventional medicine has
>little to offer.
During much of the early part of that 200 years, conventional medicine
was often useless or even harmful, so that's a pretty weak
endorsement. A discussion from the last 60 years would be far more
relevant.
>However, given its low cost, homeopathy has always represented a
>serious challenge and a constant threat to the profits of drug
>companies.
Ah, good. Nothing like a little touch of paranoia and some screaming
with alarm about the awful drug companies to give yourself
credibility, that's what I say.
>Moreover, since drug companies represent the most relevant source of
>funding for biomedical research worldwide, they are in a privileged
>position to finance detractive campaigns against homeopathy by
>manipulating the media as well as academic institutions and the
>medical establishment.
Plus, of course, the homeopaths are a bunch of selfless do-gooders who
are incapable of self-delusion or wishful thinking.
>The basic argument against homeopathy is that in some controlled
>clinical trials (CCTs), comparison with conventional treatments shows
>that its effects are not superior to those of placebo. Against
>this thesis we argue that a) CCT methodology cannot be applied to
>homeopathy,
A common, and completely bogus, claim. The usual method is to insist
that homeopathic remedies are tailored to the individual patient and
thus can't be used in a controlled setting. This, of course, is
complete bullshit. Even if the remedies are tailored, there are still
ways to do double-blind testing.
> b) misconduct and fraud are common in CCTs,
That part about "common" would have to be shown, and would also have
to be shown to be *more* common when it comes to trials of homopathic
meds.
>c) adverse drug reactions and side effects show that CCT meth-
>odology is deeply flawed,
They show nothing of the sort. Whether or not a drug has side effects
or ADRs says nothing about whether a clinical trial of efficacy is
valid or not. In fact, since all medications have side effects, the
implication here is that CCTs are never valid, which is obviously
nonsense.
>d) an accurate testing of homeopathic remedies requires more sophis-
>ticated techniques,
Preferably ones where statistical validity can go out the window.
>e) the placebo effect is no more "plausible" than homeopathy, and its
>real nature is still unexplained, and
The placebo effect is at least well-documented. The fact that
something is unexplained does not mean it doesn't work; nobody knew
how aspirin worked until relatively recently, but it would have been
perverse to claim that it didn't work despite that.
>f) the placebo effect is nevertheless a "cure" and, as such, worthy of
>further investigation and analysis.
Certainly, and there are people doing exactly that. But if homeopathy
is just placebo, all the intricacies around its potencies and these
varied remedies are simply gingerbread and of no real value.
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Citizen Jimserac - 12 May 2008 03:43 GMT
> In article <912d67b1-be8a-4927-a232-761f0b898...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> CitizenJimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers."
> -- John Dolan
Your comments are well spoken and you raise excellent objections.
I'm not thrilled about Homeopathy testing as it is and another thing
that gives me trouble are the contradictory schools
within Homeopathy. There's the classicists, the modernists and god
knows who else. Dr. Vithoulkas, says that the memory of water theory
is nonsense.
Meanwhile though, everybody is so focused on the memory of water stuff
that nobody stops to notice the large number of low dilution
homeopathic remedies that DO have some molecules (or more) of the
"curative" substance in them. When these remedies work, it is written
off as just classical herbology effects again carefully ignoring the
Homeopathy theory.
And, as if there was not enough confusion, we have the "placebo" issue
whose effects these authors insist should be
investigated though this "explanation" remains anathema to
my thinking which says that if young children and
even animals can benefit from Homeopathy it sure cannot
be, in their cases, placebo effect.
Citizen Jimserac
Peter Moran - 12 May 2008 07:04 GMT
>> In article
>> <912d67b1-be8a-4927-a232-761f0b898...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
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> even animals can benefit from Homeopathy it sure cannot
> be, in their cases, placebo effect.
You are half-right. Children and animals can appear to respond to placebo
treatments because 1. Lots of things get better anyway 2. Those making the
observations are attuned to find benefits where there really are none and 3.
Many treatments involve or are accompanied by extra attentions to which the
children/animals may respond.
An example is infantile colic. Any treatment at all will be likely to
found to "work" within an hour or so, for one of these reasons.
When homeopaths recognise that their treatments are placebo, and that this
limits what they can do, there will be less need for skeptical input.
PM