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Prozac compared to myo-inositol. Guess which was best.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 08 May 2008 12:44 GMT
Perhaps if Mark Thorson would take 18 grams of myo inositol he
wouldn't
have such a compulsion to post to MHA.
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J. Clin Psychopharmacol. 2001 Jun;21(3):335-9.

Double-blind, controlled, crossover trial of inositol versus
fluvoxamine for the
treatment of panic disorder.

Palatnik A, Frolov K, Fux M, Benjamin J.

Ministry of Health Mental Health Center, Faculty of Health Sciences,
Ben Gurion, University of the Negev, Beer-Sheba, Israel.

Only 70% of patients respond to current treatments for panic disorder,
and many discontinue drugs because of side effects. myo-Inositol, a
natural isomer of
glucose and a precursor for the second-messenger phosphatidyl-inositol
system, has previously been found superior to placebo in the treatment
of depression, panic disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder
(OCD), but a direct comparison with an established drug has never been
performed. A double-blind, controlled, random-order crossover study
was undertaken to compare the effect of inositol with that of
fluvoxamine in panic disorder. Twenty patients completed 1 month of
inositol up to 18 g/day and 1 month of fluvoxamine up to 150 mg/day.
Improvements on Hamilton Rating Scale for Anxiety scores, agoraphobia
scores, and Clinical Global Impressions Scale scores were similar for
both treatments. In the first
month, inositol reduced the number of panic attacks per week (mean and
SD) by 4.0 (2) compared with a reduction of 2.4 (2) with fluvoxamine
(p = 0.049). Nausea and tiredness were more common with fluvoxamine (p
= 0.02 and p = 0.01, respectively). Because inositol is a natural
compound with few known side effects, it is attractive to patients who
are ambivalent about taking psychiatric medication. Continuing reports
of inositol's efficacy in the treatment of depression, panic disorder,
and OCD should stimulate replication studies.

PMID: 11386498
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 08 May 2008 13:06 GMT
Oh darn, I meant to say Mark Probert not Mark Thorson.
I am still ticked at Probert from back in the day when he daily change
his posting such that I couldn't block him. Currently I just ignore
most of the Probert stuff. He isn't as clever as Wright or Thorson,
IMO.
It must be bedtime for me to make a mistake that bad.

The point of this string of posting is that supplements
can have real benefits. And many of the supplements
are superior and competitive to certain drugs.
I get sick of the overly simple supplements kill cry
so often repeated here on MHA and in the popular
press.

> Perhaps if Mark Thorson would take 18 grams of myo inositol he
> wouldn't
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Peter Moran - 08 May 2008 21:45 GMT
<trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Oh darn, I meant to say Mark Probert not Mark Thorson.
> I am still ticked at Probert from back in the day when he daily change
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> so often repeated here on MHA and in the popular
> press.

Single studies prove nothing.   The FDA will not accept a single study, or
even multiple studies from the one source as sufficient grounds for
marketing a pharmaceutical as being effective beyond placebo.

You also have to consider the quality of the studies -- difficult to do from
abstracts.

PM.

>> Perhaps if Mark Thorson would take 18 grams of myo inositol he
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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 08 May 2008 23:06 GMT
> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> PM.

Your are missing the point. I made no mention of the FDA and in
this context it is only a problem and serves no purpose.
Myo-inositol has an extremely little risk if any. The patient
should have the RIGHT to make her own choice, rather than
having Big Brother shoving a SSRI med down her throat as the
only option.

I've use this one myself, it work ver well indeed.

Further, don't assume I just read the abstracts all the time.
When my interests or those of someone I know are involved,
I've been known to get an interlibrary copy or simply read
Combined University library copy. It is a little too much
to post a full copy on usenet per copyright law.

> > trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
> >> Perhaps if Mark Thorson would take 18 grams of myo inositol he
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Peter Moran - 09 May 2008 08:55 GMT
<trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 8, 1:45 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> PM.

Your are missing the point. I made no mention of the FDA and in
this context it is only a problem and serves no purpose.
Myo-inositol has an extremely little risk if any. The patient
should have the RIGHT to make her own choice, rather than
having Big Brother shoving a SSRI med down her throat as the
only option.

PM   I only mentioned FDA standards as an illustration of the limited
significance of single clinical studies.     Even their standards can be
proved wrong.  It has now emerged that most independent studies of
glucosamine   have been negative and the positive ones are almost
exclusively those paid for by the manufacturer.

And there is an equal and opposite right of people not to be misled into
wasting money on useless products.  Is it desriable that there be open
slather for crooks and scam artists so that anything at all can be peddled
as medicine whether it works or not?   That is essentially what is happening
at present.     It is not clear what value applies to the right to use a
useless product, although I am one of the few skeptics to is prepared to
accept that placebo medicine may have a place in medicine at its present
stage of evolution.   Placebos can bring comfort but they don't cure many
illnesses, so I suppose the main direction of regulation and public
education should be towards  the more major medical claims such as claims to
cure cancer or other serious diseases.

. PM

I've use this one myself, it work ver well indeed.

Further, don't assume I just read the abstracts all the time.
When my interests or those of someone I know are involved,
I've been known to get an interlibrary copy or simply read
Combined University library copy. It is a little too much
to post a full copy on usenet per copyright law.

> > trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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Jan Drew - 10 May 2008 03:26 GMT
> <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ZZzz.  Groups    View all web results »    Results 1 - 10 of 144 for pmoran@
internode .on. net placebo

> I've use this one myself, it work ver well indeed.
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erach27@gmail.com - 10 May 2008 05:29 GMT
Well, whatever you do, don't read about "urine therapy" even though it
has 235,000 web-pages on it and good articles in Wikipedia.

Why don't you stop wasting your time and install
KUBUNTU LINUX (www.kubuntu.com) comes with the intelligence enhancing
KDE interface
or UBUNTU LINUX (www.ubuntu.com) comes with the stupid like Microsoft
but usable GNOME interface.

Erach (PhD Computer Science).

> > <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Jan Drew - 11 May 2008 01:04 GMT
> "urine therapy"

Is not the subject.

On May 10, 7:26 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 11 May 2008 11:30 GMT
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This discussion has gotten much too general for my taste.
Myo-inositol lacks a sales staff and big wig corporation
power to push its use. It is a material one can use
like sugar without ill effects in my personal experince and
yet it still isn't used as widely as it should be, IMO.

In my opinion many prescription meds are so toxic
as it be bad as a disease themselves.

For me it is a who is going to watch the watchers question.
I put no stock in reform and reformers. Better to have
the snake oil salesman and the ineffective nostrums out there
and clearly available, it is a useful object lesson. Further
and more importantly, the little tin gods of government
and medicine are ill suited to making sound judgements
concerning things new to them and foreign to their immediate
interests. To make me happy, "they" just make the snake oil salesman
sell real snake oil from rattlesnakes captured in
the Texas State house and manufactured
with good practices such that it doesn't contain
Chinese tranmission fluid and I'll be happy;-)

> I've use this one myself, it work ver well indeed.
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