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Intelligent Design  versus Science

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Rod - 04 May 2008 16:10 GMT
With so many sceptics posting their views I am wondering if some of them may
post their thoughts on "Intelligent Design".

I am of the view that "Intelligent Design" is a reality and that creation is
not by chance.

Rod
D. C. Sessions - 04 May 2008 16:27 GMT
> With so many sceptics posting their views I am wondering if some of them may
> post their thoughts on "Intelligent Design".

You want opinion?

It's a relabeling of creationism in the attempt to sneak it into schools.
Nothing explicitly wrong with creationism; like any religious belief it's
a private matter.  "Intelligent design" to me signals that the people
pushing it have lost their faith in their faith, though, and are going for
marketing as a substitute.

> I am of the view that "Intelligent Design" is a reality and that creation is
> not by chance.

Your religion is up to you.  I wish you joy.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
Martin - 04 May 2008 16:36 GMT
>With so many sceptics posting their views I am wondering if some of them may
>post their thoughts on "Intelligent Design".
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>
>Rod

Creation? I suppose you mean evolution, not creation. While the
mutations are random, natural selection (and sexual selection etc) is
not. The result is anything but chance. And BTW, even if life is
created by some designer, it's evolving today. Life is evolving,
created or not. Get used to it.

And the problem with ID is that it is not science. Bring in the
supernatural, and you're outside of science. ID doesn't do any
science, has no proposal for research and the only thing it has to say
about how life came to be what it is today is 'goddidit'. Oh, I'm
sorry, 'some unnamed unspecified designer didit'. All ID does is bash
evolution, and so far each and every example they came up with that
according to them could not have evolved has been proven to have
evolved. Just look up the Kitzmiller case.
RF - 04 May 2008 18:56 GMT
>> With so many sceptics posting their views I am wondering if some of them may
>> post their thoughts on "Intelligent Design".
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> according to them could not have evolved has been proven to have
> evolved. Just look up the Kitzmiller case.

When will those brainless people realize that
there is not the slightest shred of evidence that
a GAWD exists.
Martin - 04 May 2008 20:19 GMT
>>> With so many sceptics posting their views I am wondering if some of them may
>>> post their thoughts on "Intelligent Design".
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>there is not the slightest shred of evidence that
>a GAWD exists.

Except of course the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Blessed be his noodly
appendage.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 07 May 2008 21:55 GMT
> When will those brainless people realize that
> there is not the slightest shred of evidence that
> a GAWD exists.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

When will those brainless people realize that there is not the
slightest shred of evidence that a GAWD DOES not exist?

As a scientist, I must believe in Intelligent Design.  The concept of
evolution violates at least two fundamental scientific principles.

Mathematically we cannot exist.  What is the probability of winning a
state lottery every day for several million years?  This is a
requirement for evolution to be mathematically correct.  Even then, it
has to happen exactly twice and at the same time for both male and
female to appear on the scene.

Chemically, the law of entropy has to be violated.  Put a drop of dye
in a glass of water and let it spead out.  How many billions of years
might we have to wait for the original drop of dye to be reformed?

Lastly, I have yet to see life created in the lab.  What is the
difference between a living person and that same person a few minutes
after death?  The life force is missing.  What is it?  Where does it
come from?  How is it generated?  It has been scientifically verified
to weigh about 28 grams, about one ounce.

It is most difficult to believe that all the order in this world was
created out of random dis-order by chance or by accident.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
David Wright - 09 May 2008 05:11 GMT
>> When will those brainless people realize that
>> there is not the slightest shred of evidence that
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>As a scientist, I must believe in Intelligent Design.  The concept of
>evolution violates at least two fundamental scientific principles.

As a scientist, you wouldn't even make a good janitor.

But since you're not a scientist, as is constantly evidenced by the
howlers you post, it doesn't really matter.

>Mathematically we cannot exist.  What is the probability of winning a
>state lottery every day for several million years?  This is a
>requirement for evolution to be mathematically correct.  Even then, it
>has to happen exactly twice and at the same time for both male and
>female to appear on the scene.

A completely nonsensical statement about the nature of male and
female.  No evolutionary biologist is claiming that both genders just
popped up at random, so your assertion is merely ridiculous.

>Chemically, the law of entropy has to be violated.  Put a drop of dye
>in a glass of water and let it spead out.  How many billions of years
>might we have to wait for the original drop of dye to be reformed?

It's a frequent assertion of ignoramuses (like you) that evolution
violates entropy.  It doesn't, any more than the fact that you started
out as a single cell and are now billions of them violates entropy.

>Lastly, I have yet to see life created in the lab.  

Evolution does not make any claims about how life was created, just
what happens once it exists.

>It is most difficult to believe that all the order in this world was
>created out of random dis-order by chance or by accident.

It is most difficult to believe that someone as dim as you can operate
a computer, but you seem to manage it.

The 'argument from incredulity' is merely a reflection of your
ignorance and lack of imagination.  It's not a valid argument against
anything.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
news - 05 May 2008 00:38 GMT
Not Alternative Health.
RF - 06 May 2008 03:50 GMT
> Not Alternative Health.

 How would Rod possibly know that???
 
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