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Myrl - 26 Apr 2008 04:42 GMT
For those participating, it is important to understand this Newsgroup
is an "open" internet forum. As such, those participating in dialogue
need to remember postings are saved and archived for retrieval at any
time.

If you are in any type of litigation, or enjoy having your information
kept private, it may be in your best interest to guard what you say
here, and decline sharing personal information about yourself.  In
fact, it’s a good idea to protect your privacy regardless.  Real
agendas, of those posting to or reading this board may not be known.

There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting aging
parents, children, spouses and employers of those they have difference
of opinions with!  This is an additional reason to choose your
involvement with this board wisely.

In addition, simply because a person on this board is giving what
APPEARS to be a legitimate identity, and is PURPORTING to have an
interest in health issues, or is an advocate, simply doesn't make it
so.

Because the possibility of collecting up information (to possibly be
used against them in litigation), and/or the ability to solicit
donations from them for "non-profit" purposes, or for other nefarious
reasons makes newsgroups a natural place to dwell.

If a person purporting to be an advocate regularly uses foul or
disrespectful language in their communication on this board, they are
likely offending a good portion of the public in so doing. When these
individuals offend the public, they are in the process of dividing
public opinion against the collective community of those they proclaim
to be advocating for, and are often seen as a PR nightmare to those
they represent.

There is a very old adage (and a game show), that a chain is only as
strong as it's weakest link.  Collectively, mankind can only progress
or achieve, as much as the weakest link will allow.

Advice regarding legal representation on this board, is only as good
as the person doing the steering, and that steering may be in a
direction 180 degrees the opposite direction of where you need to go.

This "IS" a place to discuss and debate the pro's and con's of
alternative health.  Although it may have been the intent of the
original charter to expect respectful dialogue, newsgroups dwell in
the wild, wild west of the internet, and no mandates can be really
imposed, other than those enforced by Google, or other providers of
newsgroups.
Unfortunately, due to the loose nature of this board, there have been
ongoing, arguments, fighting and disputes between individuals, which
have little to do with health interests.

It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private.  For
the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt
a screen identity, and provide little personal information about
yourself.  More than most newsgroups, this newsgroup seems to be over
populated with those obsessed with investigating the lives of others,
and then broadcasting that information to the internet, web sites, and
this newsgroup.  Yet, many of those suffering from investigation
obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to
revealing information about themselves!
D. C. Sessions - 26 Apr 2008 05:12 GMT
> It is imperative that you ?attempt? to keep your life private.  For
> the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to
> revealing information about themselves!

Fortunately, no matter what you disclose (or lie about)
there are two things you can bet on:
1) People won't believe it anyway, and
2) They won't bother to do even the simplest fact checking.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 26 Apr 2008 12:45 GMT
> It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private.  For
> the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when it comes to
> revealing information about themselves!

Yes, I agree Myrl.  I have a shot gun microphone aimed at my house,
so private information that I have not shared here has ended up on
this
forum  in bent and twisted fashion.   I made the discovery of its
exact
location only on Thursday but I suspected it awhile back, and
telephone
conversations in my kitchen so that it would give my eavesdroppers
something to listen to.  It is still there, but won't be for long.
The Federales
as of yesterday after finding the child pornography in my computer,
and
and the fact that my wireless system had been hacked into, and the
idiot
that posted about knowing about what version of spyware was being
used,
and those lovely priceless emails that the idiots were circulating.
You'd think
that the idiot would make a public retraction, but apparently it is
not in the limited
vocabulary that individual.

What a wonderful forum this to post in.  Totally toxic.

You would think that the idiots that have been stalking me, would
simply get rid of
their equipment.  I was stalked in my previous location, and
fortunately know this
drill all too well. And know exactly how that person was connected to
all this.
Mark Probert - 26 Apr 2008 15:17 GMT
On Apr 26, 7:45 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote:

> > It is imperative that you “attempt” to keep your life private.  For
> > the sake and safety of your privacy, it is likely a good idea to adopt
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> drill all too well. And know exactly how that person was connected to
> all this.

www.tinfoilhats.com for the latest styles.
Butterflies1111@gmail.com - 26 Apr 2008 20:36 GMT
> www.tinfoilhats.comfor the latest styles.

I have asked that you not email me, and you continue.  I haven't
bothered to read the email, and I am not going to, anything you have
to say you need to say it here.

As far as your comment above.  The persons that need to wear the
tinfoil hats are those individuals that are attempting to make people
believe that what is really transpiring is not happening.  Get a grip
pal.  I just find it highly amusing that individuals that support
Quackwatch and their beliefs are harassing as many people on this
board, and outside of this forum.

I had an individual not associated with this forum contact me at home,
that is "connected" and our conversation was back to another circle of
friends within hours.    Considering I do not do anything illegal, and
there is no reason to monitor me, I find it a little on the disgusting
side that I'm being monitored.   It would appear that anyone that
supports PRO Choice in medical care is being targeted, and anyone that
has gone to clinics that do not fit within the realm of what
Quackwatch supports or the insurance supports is being targeted.  I
never asked any insurance company to reimburse me, never took any
money from any worker's compensation carrier, or employer, and what I
spent money on would appear to be my business.

However, I find it to be a consequence that it would appear that the
lawsuits that I were involved with previously, must have some kind of
connection to the Quackwatch supporters and people in this forum, as
it would appear that there is a need to monitor me to ensure that I am
not violating the terms of the agreement of that lawsuit.  I have not
violated the terms and there is no need to monitor me.  However, I am
deeply concerned that there are individuals here who claim that they
would appear to be  in the healthcare industry that are overly
possessed in making sure that I do.  That is very unhealthy in my
opinion.

Do not worry about what I have posted -- law enforcement (phase 1) and
(phase 2), and (phase 3)  have informed me that anyone that since I've
made the report that harasses me in any manner, to let them know who
it is, as several violations of the law have taken place.   As I said
previously, this board is being monitored.  I was advised to put it
out to the places that I frequent on the internet (and they know this
is the only place), to let others know what to look for in their own
computers so that they can take safety measures as well.

No need to panic, buddy.
Jan Drew - 26 Apr 2008 23:19 GMT
<Butterflies1111@gmail.com>  

>idiot

>idiot  

>What a wonderful forum this to post in.  Totally toxic.

>idiots
PeterB - 29 Apr 2008 01:54 GMT
> There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting aging
> parents, children, spouses and employers of those they have
> difference of opinions with!  

Pharma thugs are known to do this in an effort to silence those of us
advocating for natural methods and full dislosure of standard medicine
hazards.

> In addition, simply because a person on this board is giving what
> APPEARS to be a legitimate identity, and is PURPORTING to have an
> interest in health issues, or is an advocate, simply doesn't make
> it so.

That is one reason why disclosure of personal information is unwise
and pointless.

> If a person purporting to be an advocate regularly uses foul or
> disrespectful language in their communication on this board, they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> those they proclaim to be advocating for, and are often seen as a
> PR nightmare to those they represent.

A number of individuals here are certainly associated with PR projects
underwritten anonymously by the media or marketing groups of
industry.

> This "IS" a place to discuss and debate the pro's and con's of
> alternative health.  

Yet personal attacks by those favorable to conventional methods are
preemptive and prejudicial.  These individuals make every effort to
prevent a critical mass of awareness by the public regarding the
dangers of standard healthcare and the benefits of natural
medicine.

> Unfortunately, due to the loose nature of this board, there have
> been ongoing, arguments, fighting and disputes between
> individuals, which have little to do with health interests.

I have to disagree.  While disputes between individuals over industry
affiliations might devolve into personal animosities at times, even
these are relevant to discussions of public health because those are
the issues that fomented those disputes.  Who can separate either
their professional *or* charitable advocacy activities from the topics
of mha?  This battle for mind share between industry and those of us
advocating for holistic approaches in healthcare is (as you know) a
daily affair.

> More than most newsgroups, this newsgroup seems to be over
> populated with those obsessed with investigating the lives of
> others, and then broadcasting that information to the internet,
> web sites, and this newsgroup.  Yet, many of those suffering from
> investigation obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when
> it comes to revealing information about themselves!

My own reluctance to provide information about myself is because I
don't want to invite such activity.  At the same time, disclosure of
personal information is not assurance that a poster is free of
professional affiliations.  A reader must review a poster's history in
the archives to have a good sense of their motives and purpose.  But
thanks, this serves as a reminder that the "Warning" post I circulated
before my hiatus should probably go back up.  I've been meaning to
update it anyway, so I'll do that and put it up later in the week.
It's still in the archives under the title "Warning:  Industry is
Blogging" if anyone is interested.
David Wright - 03 May 2008 20:07 GMT
>> There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting aging
>> parents, children, spouses and employers of those they have
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>advocating for natural methods and full dislosure of standard medicine
>hazards.

Ilena's a Pharma thug?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
D. C. Sessions - 03 May 2008 20:51 GMT
>>> There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting aging
>>> parents, children, spouses and employers of those they have
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Ilena's a Pharma thug?

You have to admit that it makes a lot of sense.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
David Wright - 03 May 2008 22:04 GMT
>> In article
><f843d35d-6e6c-47a8-9778-9fc7875ed2cb@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>You have to admit that it makes a lot of sense.

That's true.  She's the last person anyone would ever suspect.  Very
clever.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
Jan Drew - 04 May 2008 02:15 GMT
This thread is not about IIena.
Jan Drew - 04 May 2008 02:15 GMT
This thread is not about IIena.
PeterB - 03 May 2008 22:04 GMT
> In article <f843d35d-6e6c-47a8-9778-9fc7875ed...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Ilena's a Pharma thug?

Your posting history is rather problematic, isn't it?  Ilena Rosenthal
supports full disclosure of the health risks associated with breast
implants and has won legal actions against the defamatory friend-of-
industry Stephen Barrett and his "Quacknuts" outfit.  Good try,
though.
D. C. Sessions - 03 May 2008 22:21 GMT
> Your posting history is rather problematic, isn't it?  Ilena Rosenthal
> supports full disclosure of the health risks associated with breast
> implants and has won legal actions against the defamatory friend-of-
> industry Stephen Barrett and his "Quacknuts" outfit.  Good try,
> though.

When did she sue Barrett for defamation?

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
David Wright - 03 May 2008 22:30 GMT
>> In article
><f843d35d-6e6c-47a8-9778-9fc7875ed...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>industry Stephen Barrett and his "Quacknuts" outfit.  Good try,
>though.

Poor attempt at evasion, PeterB.  The fact is that Ilena did use that
particular tactic, whether you like it or not.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "There are two kinds of Republicans:  millionaires and suckers."
                                                     -- John Dolan
Jan Drew - 04 May 2008 02:14 GMT
> Ilena  
>
>  -- David Wright

This thread is not about IIena.
PeterB - 29 Apr 2008 02:17 GMT
> There have been incidents of misguided individuals contacting
> aging  parents, children, spouses and employers of those they have
> difference of opinions with!

Pharma thugs are known to do this in an effort to silence those of us
advocating for natural methods and full dislosure of standard medicine
hazards.

> In addition, simply because a person on this board is giving what
> APPEARS to be a legitimate identity, and is PURPORTING to have an
> interest in health issues, or is an advocate, simply doesn't make
> it so.

That is one reason why disclosure of personal information is unwise
and pointless.

> If a person purporting to be an advocate regularly uses foul or
> disrespectful language in their communication on this board, they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> those they proclaim to be advocating for, and are often seen as a
> PR nightmare to those they represent.

A number of individuals here are certainly associated with PR projects
underwritten anonymously by the media or marketing groups of
industry.

> This "IS" a place to discuss and debate the pro's and con's of
> alternative health.

That's true, which is why personal attacks by those favorable to
conventional methods is so concerning.  These responses are preemptive
and prejudicial and don't foster real discussion.  These individuals
make every effort to prevent a critical mass of awareness by the
public regarding the dangers of standard healthcare and the benefits
of natural medicine.

> Unfortunately, due to the loose nature of this board, there have
> been ongoing, arguments, fighting and disputes between
> individuals, which have little to do with health interests.

I have to disagree.  While disputes between individuals over industry
affiliations might devolve into personal animosities at times, even
these are relevant to discussions of public health because those are
the issues that fomented those disputes to begin with.  No one can
separate either their professional *or* charitable advocacy activities
from the topics of mha.  This battle for mind share between industry
and those of us advocating for holistic approaches in healthcare is
(as you know) a daily affair.

> More than most newsgroups, this newsgroup seems to be over
> populated with those obsessed with investigating the lives of
> others, and then broadcasting that information to the internet,
> web sites, and this newsgroup.  Yet, many of those suffering from
> investigation obsession, tend to enjoy hiding in the shadows when
> it comes to revealing information about themselves!

My own reluctance to provide information about myself is because I
don't want to invite such activity.  At the same time, disclosure of
personal information is not assurance that a poster is free of
professional affiliations.  A reader must review a poster's history in
the archives to have a good sense of their motives and purpose.  But
thanks, this serves as a reminder that the "Warning" post I circulated
before my hiatus should probably go back up.  I've been meaning to
update it anyway, so I'll do that and put it up later in the week.
It's still in the archives under the title "Warning:  Industry is
Blogging" if anyone is interested.  Good points.
 
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