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ear candles effective? See photo decide for yourself. I had heard via a family member that ear candles worked "great" so I tried one on my son. I was not sure what I was seeing was ear matter so I looked here in Google Groups and saw all the negative statements about them so I did an experiment. I burnt another ear candle to see what it would look like inside. Visit the site below to see the photo I uploaded and to see what I had to say about the effectiveness of ear candles. Feel free to leave your own photo and comments on this and other types of natural health remedies. Thank You, Mindy http://groups.google.com/group/natural-health-treatments >ear candles effective? See photo decide for yourself. I had heard via >a family member that ear candles worked "great" so I tried one on my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/natural-health-treatments Nicely done Mindy! I'm curious, what was the response of your family member when you showed the pictures? > >earcandles effective? See photo decide for yourself. I had heard via > >a family member thatearcandles worked "great" so I tried one on my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nicely done Mindy! I'm curious, what was the response of your family > member when you showed the pictures? well, It was my mother so I had to break it to her gently... She "swears" that the candles helped this same child (my son) hear better while he was staying with her. As she lives in a different state I'm not sure she has taken the time to view the photo but I did tell her what I saw and what I thought. She likes "miracle cures" so It's hard to convince her otherwise. Any other "natural remedies" that are questionalble I would love info on! I have always liked the idea of Naturapathic medicine but love a good debate or to prove/disprove a theory.. Thank you, Mindy >ear candles effective? See photo decide for yourself. I had heard via >a family member that ear candles worked "great" so I tried one on my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://groups.google.com/group/natural-health-treatments Burn the heretic! -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > In article <ebd5b754-34b9-41a3-afaa-17ae89a41...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." > -- John Dolan I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a decietful millionaire.... Mindy > I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a > decietful millionaire.... Mindy Or, you are attempting to discredit ear candling. I believe that this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. >> I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a >> decietful millionaire.... Mindy > >Or, you are attempting to discredit ear candling. I believe that >this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. No, it discredits itself. 1) the same stuff inside the candle shows up when you burn it without putting it in your ear. Oh sure, if you send it to a lab, they might find some earwax that stuck to the end of the candle where it was inserted, but that's it. 2) using high tech equipment, scientists measured the pressure in the ear during ear candling. There was no difference to outside air pressure, so no way that anything could be sucked out of the ear into the candle. 3) point 1&2 demonstrate it's useless, but it might be relaxing. That would be ok if it was harmless. However, people eardrums have been punctured and damaged by hot wax dripping out of the candle. In my book, anything with risks and zero possible benefit is a bad thing. 4) ear wax is actually good for you. It prevents dust coming into your ear. Your body has evolved this whole system naturally over tens of thousands of years. Why would you know better than mother nature? Removing ear wax is unnatural. It should only be removed when you have such a buildup that it plugs up your ear and impairs your hearing, which can happen occasionally. And that should be done gently with lukewarm water. > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:20:46 -0700 (PDT), Butterflies1...@gmail.com > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > which can happen occasionally. And that should be done gently with > lukewarm water. There is a new gizmo on the market which introduces warm water into the ear between the ear drum and the ear wax. This flushes the ear qhite well. No, I am not selling it. It did a fine job for my neighbor's kid, who does have a heavy ear wax problem. >> I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a >> decietful millionaire.... Mindy > > Or, you are attempting to discredit ear candling. I believe that > this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. Well, that settles it then. Anything that Quackwatch is skeptical about is, obviously, beyond any question whatsoever. Anyone else who expresses doubts has just proven themselves to be in league with them and must be lying about everything that they write. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <f86cdedb-9af0-4289-ae74-cd89c7a7e...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just proven themselves to be in league with them and > must be lying about everything that they write. What an excellent explanation of AltThink!!!! > What an excellent explanation of AltThink!!!! This is an excellent example of not being able to think outside your own conventional medical world thoughts! It's very relaxing Probert, you really would enjoy it. On Apr 26, 3:42 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > What an excellent explanation of AltThink!!!! > > This is an excellent example of not being able to think > outside your own conventional medical world thoughts! > > It's very relaxing Probert, you really would enjoy it. I do it all the time. Think, that is. Try it, you may like it. > On Apr 26, 3:42 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I do it all the time. Think, that is. Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! On Apr 26, 9:15 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > In message > <f86cdedb-9af0-4289-ae74-cd89c7a7e...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > just proven themselves to be in league with them and > must be lying about everything that they write. What an excellent explanation of AltThink!!!! Man! you guys need to grow up. > In message > <f86cdedb-9af0-4289-ae74-cd89c7a7e083@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > just proven themselves to be in league with them and > must be lying about everything that they write. DC, why can you not simply discuss the subject? Why must you respond like an angry 12 year old who think he is being cute? Never mind my ample faults, lets hear why you are such a putz. On Apr 26, 7:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a > > decietful millionaire.... Mindy > > Or, you are attempting to discredit ear candling. I believe that > this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. Which has nothing to do with it. Mindy did a nice job of dicredting this dangerous practice. On Apr 26, 7:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > On Apr 25, 8:58 pm, mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Or, you are attempting to discredit ear candling. I believe that > this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. Which has nothing to do with it. Mindy did a nice job of dicredting this dangerous practice. Dangerous???? Man! You ARE funny! > On Apr 26, 7:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Which has nothing to do with it. Mindy did a nice job of dicredting > this dangerous practice. Dangerous???? Man! You ARE funny! Someone as stupid as you may put the candle in the wrong way. Perhaps that explains what happened to your "brain." > Someone as stupid as you may put the candle in the wrong way. Perhaps > that explains what happened to your "brain." Nice compliments, Mark. However, I must remind you--- in your case -- it is "better to have people think you are a fool," then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Obviously, the loop group knows nothing about the history of ear candling---and doesn't support the idea of doing whatever one wants to do-----so sad---that people have been brain washed as much as they have --- individualized thinking appears to be threatening conventional medicine. If you do not believe me, check out this entire thread -- Start with Quackwatch---- and then read this thread -- look, just like sheep you flock around Quackwatch as if it was the Bible of Health Care. When people start thinking for themselves and using common sense ---is when alternative health care treatments will start to make sense. On Apr 27, 2:55 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Someone as stupid as you may put thecandlein the wrong way. Perhaps > > that explains what happened to your "brain." [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when alternative health care treatments will > start to make sense. check out this entire thread -- Start with Quackwatch---- and then read this thread -- look, just like sheep you flock around Quackwatch as if it was the Bible of Health Care. Mindy... not "Quackwatch"... Mindy! If you can read, you will see this thread starts with Mindy. If people want to think for themselves that's GREAT! But an informed decision is by far better than an ignorant one made blindly. The more information, based on facts, there is out there, the more informed of a decision and hopefully safer decision will be made. Alternative or conventional medicine..... We still need to be informed and make the choice that best fits who we are and what we're willing to "risk". On Apr 27, 2:55 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > On Apr 27, 1:12 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > when alternative health care treatments will > start to make sense. check out this entire thread -- Start with Quackwatch---- and then read this thread -- look, just like sheep you flock around Quackwatch as if it was the Bible of Health Care. Mindy... not "Quackwatch"... Mindy! If you can read, you will see this thread starts with Mindy. If people want to think for themselves that's GREAT! But an informed decision is by far better than an ignorant one made blindly. The more information, based on facts, there is out there, the more informed of a decision and hopefully safer decision will be made. Alternative or conventional medicine..... We still need to be informed and make the choice that best fits who we are and what we're willing to "risk". OK, Mindy, please tell us why we should think that you did it correctly? Have you done it a lot? Were you trained? How exactly did you do it? On Apr 27, 5:55 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Someone as stupid as you may put the candle in the wrong way. Perhaps > > that explains what happened to your "brain." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in your case -- it is "better to have people think you are a fool," > then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Then why do you keep posting with such idiot statements as I point out below? > Obviously, the loop group knows nothing about the history of ear > candling--- History does not prove effectiveness. and doesn't support > the idea of doing whatever one wants to do Proving something does not work does not prevent anyone from doing what they choose to do. > -----so sad---that people > have been brain washed as much > as they have --- What personal experience do you have with brain washing? One needs one to be washed. individualized thinking appears to be threatening > conventional medicine. Illogical. If you do not > believe me, check out this entire thread -- Start with Quackwatch---- > and then read this thread -- look, > just like sheep you flock around Quackwatch as if it was the Bible of > Health Care. You seem to be utterly incapable of understanding the idea that many intelligent people can reach the same conclusion. You appear to have a need to believe that everything is centrally controlled, thus making it easier for you to dismiss what you do not agree with. This is purely illogical, but, that is your forte. > When people start thinking for themselves and using common sense ---is > when alternative health care treatments will > start to make sense. People who reject some forms of altie care, e..g. ear candles, are using common sense. The fact that they reached a different conclusion than you does not mean that they did not use common sense. >> On Apr 26, 7:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Someone as stupid as you may put the candle in the wrong way. Perhaps > that explains what happened to your "brain." No Mark, but it would explain those blisters around your anus. > >> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > No Mark, but it would explain those blisters around your anus You seem to have a bodily function fixation. On Apr 27, 10:11 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > No Mark, but it would explain those blisters around your anus You seem to have a bodily function fixation. Mark, you started this crap. You must be a republican, you try to switch the thing to attack the other side of any debate. While such might be an admired skill in the world of lawyers, it is simply dishonest in the real world. But then, why would that bother you? Please pay attention now........... I did not say that ear candles work or don't work. I asked about the "operators" skill with them. You jumped in with your un-educated BS claiming that the practice is "dangerous". Exactly how might that be? ....... I did not say that ear > candles work or don't work. I asked about the "operators" skill with them. > You jumped in with your un-educated BS claiming that the practice is > "dangerous". Exactly how might that be? There is a big difference with the skill of the person doing the candling. It is a practice that some like and others don't. It makes very little sense to jump up and down, waste bandwidth bitching about something you do not believe in -- and putting down the people that enjoy having this performed on them. It is kind of like what happens when you have food poisoning --- and you know what it was that made you sick. You avoid that restaurant for the longest time, thinking that if you go there again, it is going to make you sick again, when in fact, it was only the way it was prepared that made you sick. Some people get so fixated that food from that particular restaurant will never be good at all and when someone says that they are going to eat there, they are going to get sick if they do. You cannot take anyone's word about an experience, or a food or a therapy, because they work for some but not for others unless of course you are trying to impress someone with going against a therapy they don't approve of.... On Apr 28, 6:20 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > ....... I did not say that ear > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > course you are trying to impress someone with going against a therapy > they don't approve of.... It's the "addictive" person mentality.... you KNOW it's BAD for you.... but it feels sooooooooo GOOD! To each their own, I just wanted some one with no information (like me at first) to maybe have something tangible in their brain so they could make an informed decision. Maybe a poor one but informed. It's OK to make the wrong choice as long as you know you are making it. Ignorance is no excuse for the harm that could be caused by making the wrong choice un- knowingly. At least have the ability to gain intelligence in your activities. There is no excuse for a choice ill made, only regret for the harm done by making that choice and a hope that it's not too late to try again. I wrote that for my kids sake while in jail, but it applies to all of life's choices. In life there are no mistakes... only poor and yes uneducated (poor) CHOICES! Thank you, and I think that's all.... whew!!! > On Apr 27, 10:11 pm, "news" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Even trained surgeons leave impiments of surgery IN places they should have been removed from. They go to school for years to become a professional.. An ear candler can do something careless out of ignorance due to lack of training,( by the way.. where is the nearest EarCandling Academy located?) and due significant harm to one's ear, hair, skin, etc. And are ear candlers in the USA required to carry practitioners' insurance? In the event of a mess up... Sorry to interrupt such a bandwidth waisting BS filled discussion, that's all... > On Apr 26, 7:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Which has nothing to do with it. Mindy did a nice job of dicredting > this dangerous practice. Thank you! On Apr 26, 4:20 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > I guess I was a sucker... but better to be a has been, than a > > decietful millionaire.... Mindy > > Or, you are attempting to discreditearcandling. I believe that > this is one remedies that Quackwatch likes to discredit. I was not trying to discredit anything... It sort of well.... did that on its own. All I did was post a picture and what I saw. But I also used a "control" candle which never came into contact with an ear. > I was not trying to discredit anything... It sort of well.... did that > on its own. All I did was post a picture and what I saw. But I also > used a "control" candle which never came into contact with an ear. Has it ever occured to yout that the person didn't know what they were doing that did the candling? There are good candlers and there are some not so good candlers. I've had both --- I even walked out and refused to pay --- after one of that did not know what she was doing -- claimed she did -- and didn't---- she got insulted when I asked her "what was she doing?" She claimed "I am the therapist,"----I said, "I am the one that normally be paying you but you don't know what you are doing." What part of cinged hair is part of the treatment? On Apr 27, 2:59 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > I was not trying to discredit anything... It sort of well.... did that > > on its own. All I did was post a picture and what I saw. But I also [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > are doing." > What part of cinged hair is part of the treatment? Has it ever occured to yout that the person didn't know what they were > doing > that did the candling? Have you not looked at the picture I posted?!!! Didn't know what they were doing?!!! Why should it matter?!!! BOTH! candles had the same crap in them! ONE WAS used IN an ear, THE OTHER was NOT!!! HELLO?!!!! >On Apr 27, 2:59 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >were doing?!!! Why should it matter?!!! BOTH! candles had the same >crap in them! ONE WAS used IN an ear, THE OTHER was NOT!!! HELLO?!!!! Oh, you silly person, thinking you're going to change the minds (such as they are) of dedicated alties with your ol' "evidence." The only way you could hope to succeed would be to find some book from the 19th Century that explains that ear candling doesn't work. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > In article > <a18c4ca0-7046-442f-a233-b6d81279b5f9@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>were doing?!!! Why should it matter?!!! BOTH! candles had the same >>crap in them! ONE WAS used IN an ear, THE OTHER was NOT!!! HELLO?!!!! Idiot comments remove out of compassion. > In article <a18c4ca0-7046-442f-a233-b6d81279b...@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes, I'm sure you're right! > Oh, you silly person, thinking you're going to change the minds (such > as they are) of dedicated alties with your ol' "evidence." > > The only way you could hope to succeed would be to find some book from > the 19th Century that explains that ear candling doesn't work. How many times have you had your ears candled, David? >> Oh, you silly person, thinking you're going to change the minds (such >> as they are) of dedicated alties with your ol' "evidence." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >How many times have you had your ears candled, David? Who cares? I haven't jumped off the Golden Gate bridge to prove it's fatal, either. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > Who cares? I haven't jumped off the Golden Gate bridge to prove it's > fatal, either. I just am amused at the people that read information about something -- that is not harmful, and make the comments as they do based on the information that they have read, that's all. :> Who cares? ?I haven't jumped off the Golden Gate bridge to prove it's :> fatal, either. : I just am amused at the people that read information about something : -- that is not harmful, Why do you refuse to read the source that I provided for you about ear candling, or even to acknowledge that I posted it? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?" > Why do you refuse to read the source that I provided for you about > ear candling, or even to acknowledge that I posted it? Rhetorical question? | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ :> Why do you refuse to read the source that I provided for you about :> ear candling, or even to acknowledge that I posted it? : : Rhetorical question? Actually, I wonder if she killfiled me. Not that I care one way or the other; I would be surprised to find out that she was able to figure out how. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- Look outside the window, there's a woman being grabbed. They've dragged her to the bushes, and now she's being stabbed. Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain. But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game. > :> Why do you refuse to read the source that I provided for you about > :> ear candling, or even to acknowledge that I posted it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Actually, I wonder if she killfiled me. Not that I care one way or the > other; I would be surprised to find out that she was able to figure out how. I doubt that she would want to. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In article > <95741748-7987-46b0-a57e-8840e9251e52@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Richard Schultz > Perhaps people do not read things reccomended by trolls? On Apr 28, 8:09 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote: > Who cares? I haven't jumped off the Golden Gate bridge to prove it's > fatal, either. I just am amused at the people that read information about something -- that is not harmful, and make the comments as they do based on the information that they have read, that's all. It isn't entirely benign. There is a documented risk of damage to the eardrum. But, leaving that aside for a moment, you acknowledge that there are many, many treatments that are "not harmful" but whose claims of efficacy are disputed. Do you disbelieve that any of them work? Or do you defend them against anyone who doesn't have personal experience? m Here we go again. Troll removed. > In article > <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Who cares? Answer, NEVER. In fact David has NO knowledge about ear candleing. David has likely never even seen one.. David Is a MHA troll. >> In article >> <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Answer, NEVER. In fact David has NO knowledge about ear candleing. David has >likely never even seen one.. David Is a MHA troll. Among your other limitations is a complete misunderstanding of the term "troll." -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan >>> In article >>> <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." > -- John Dolan Perhaps, but for me a "troll" comes out from under his rock to attack good people. Troll. >>>> In article >>>> <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Perhaps, but for me a "troll" comes out from under his rock to attack good >people. Troll. "Good people" like you, I suppose. Hilarious, if unintentionally so. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan >>>>> In article >>>>> <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > "Good people" like you, I suppose. Hilarious, if unintentionally so. David, how many lives have YOU saved lately? How many heart attacks have YOU done ANYTHING for to save a life? How many homeless children have YOU helped lately? How have you helped anyone? Your nasty posts do not count. >>>>>> In article >>>>>> <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c975@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >done ANYTHING for to save a life? How many homeless children have YOU helped >lately? How have you helped anyone? Your nasty posts do not count. Don't be modest, tools -- do tell us how many heart attacks YOU have done anything for, not to mention all the homeless children you've helped, etc. Be specific. (Matter of fact, I have helped homeless kids via my donations to Covenant House, so how does that grab you?) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > In article <KeadnZqiCt2kSYTVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > (Matter of fact, I have helped homeless kids via my donations to > Covenant House, so how does that grab you?) I would love for anyone, especially sTools, to challenge me on what I do for my community and for help for others. > I would love for anyone, especially sTools, to challenge me on what I > do for my community and for help for others. Who cares, Probert? You have to do what you want to do for your community and to help others because you want to, bragging about it is doing it for all of the wrong reasons. "Giving to get," is never a good sign. You have to give and do to help others because it is what you want to do without expecting any special rewards for your name in lights! On May 4, 11:05 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote: > In article <KeadnZqiCt2kSYTVnZ2dnUVZ_vjin...@giganews.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > (Matter of fact, I have helped homeless kids via my donations to > Covenant House, so how does that grab you?) I would love for anyone, especially sTools, to challenge me on what I do for my community and for help for others. So stop beating your puny chest and tell us.> > In article <7b9778af-a85d-4b4b-bf73-a1f798c4c...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." > -- John Dolan Very nice Point David! And Butterflies.... If I told you that taking a bleach enema would kill all of your anal parasites would you try it for "good health"? Uh Oh! I bet some one is just uneducated and uninformed enough to try this one. DON"T do it! PuLEEZ!!! > Very nice Point David! And Butterflies.... If I told you that taking > a bleach enema would kill all of your anal parasites would you try it > for "good health"? Uh Oh! I bet some one is just uneducated and > uninformed enough to try this one. DON"T do it! PuLEEZ!!! I have no idea of what your point is Mindy---nor what your purpose is here in discussing something you obviously do not like, and have already made up your narrow little mind already---- until you are ready to play with the big dogs --- run back to Quackwatch for more items of interest on their menu of atttack. And shove the rest of your thoughts above up where the sun doesn't shine-- it would appear that you have a different lifestyle that would appear to even have brought up that notion to the table. >> Very nice Point David! And Butterflies.... If I told you that taking >> a bleach enema would kill all of your anal parasites would you try it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Quackwatch >for more items of interest on their menu of atttack. Goodness me, you think *you* are a "big dog?" Your powers of self- deception are indeed awesome, young Skywalker. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > Goodness me, you think *you* are a "big dog?" Your powers of self- > deception are indeed awesome, young Skywalker. It would appear that some individuals have taken their role in world of security a little bit too far. People have the right to purchase whatever they want without individuals like yourself condemning them for their purchases. You do not like alternative health ---you post to a forum for the discussion of alternative health therapies -- pro and con, but when someone posts that they enjoy a therapy, then the individuals that do not believe in those therapies feel this need to attack individuals that do. It's all about choice David. I choose what I believe is not harmful to myself, and pay for it myself. >> Goodness me, you think *you* are a "big dog?" Your powers of self- >> deception are indeed awesome, young Skywalker. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >whatever they want without individuals like yourself condemning them >for their purchases. They have no such right. I can criticize them if I wish, and they're free to ignore me. So are you. I can also criticize people who buy those damn Cadillac SUVs and then drive around in them by themselves 90% of the time. >You do not like alternative health Sure I do. Some of it. But not all of it. In any event, if I choose to criticize *you* that is not the same as criticizing alternative health. Try to keep that in mind. > ---you post to a forum for the discussion of alternative health >therapies -- pro and con, but when someone posts that they enjoy a >therapy, then the individuals that do not believe in those therapies >feel this need to attack individuals that do. It's all about choice >David. I choose what I believe is not harmful to myself, and pay for >it myself. I choose to comment on postings that get my attention. You can choose to killfile me and I encourage you to do so; it'd spare me your whiny responses. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > I choose to comment on postings that get my attention. You can choose > to killfile me and I encourage you to do so; it'd spare me your whiny > responses. I'd rather not kill file you Dr. Security Patrol. I have yet to figure out what form of alternative medicine you like or would like to discuss. I will not kill file you because I like it when you get your doggie dimples in a bunch, jump up and down, and scream, "Mommy, someone's picking on me." After that comment, comes the "Mommy's" of the newsgroup to come and protect poor little David. I'm sure this comment will spur --one of your mudder's to the scene to attack. You might have a Ph.D, but it would appear not to have done you any good in the common sense or polite department. >> I choose to comment on postings that get my attention. You can choose >> to killfile me and I encourage you to do so; it'd spare me your whiny [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >After that comment, comes the "Mommy's" of the newsgroup to come and >protect poor little David. So, how's the weather over in your alternate reality? >I'm sure this comment will spur --one of your mudder's to the scene to >attack. I doubt anyone else will respond. I don't care whether they do or not. >You might have a Ph.D, but it would appear not to have done you any >good in the common sense or polite department. Glass houses. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > Glass houses. Don't live in one. >> Glass houses. > >Don't live in one. So deluded... -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > In article > <ce6fdbae-ab36-4aef-91bd-6a2826028b28@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So deluded... Yes David, you are. Nice of you to admit it though.> > Sure I do. Some of it. But not all of it. In any event, if I choose > to criticize *you* that is not the same as criticizing alternative > health. Try to keep that in mind. What is it that you like about alternative treatments? I've yet to hear you support anything except the attacks and counter attacks of those of us that believe in pro choice. I live in the U.S.A. - it is not against the law where I live to partake in new alternative adventures. What is it that frightens you about alternative therapies? You would appear not to like ear candling - so who is forcing you to do it? No one. Those of us that enjoy it is our right as consumer to partake in it. We live in the U.S.A., not North Korea. >> Sure I do. Some of it. But not all of it. In any event, if I choose >> to criticize *you* that is not the same as criticizing alternative [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hear you support anything except the attacks and counter attacks of >those of us that believe in pro choice. I'm a great believer in chi quong, myself. >I live in the U.S.A. - it is >not against the law where I live to partake in new alternative >adventures. What is it that frightens you about alternative >therapies? You're free to try whatever therapy you like, no matter how insane I think it sounds. > You would appear not to like ear candling - so who is forcing you to >do it? No one. Those of us that enjoy it is our right as consumer to >partake in it. We live in the U.S.A., not North Korea. And I haven't tried to stop you, you silly toad. I haven't put any obstacles in your way at all. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan >> You would appear not to like ear candling - so who is forcing you to >>do it? No one. Those of us that enjoy it is our right as consumer to >>partake in it. We live in the U.S.A., not North Korea. > > And I haven't tried to stop you, you silly toad. I haven't put any > obstacles in your way at all. Yes you have! You and Mindy have cast doubt on one of her cherished beliefs, and that's a violation of her Constititional right to believe what she wants to. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > Yes you have! You and Mindy have cast doubt on one of her > cherished beliefs, and that's a violation of her Constititional > right to believe what she wants to. > > -- I knew that one of David's friends would come to his rescue---and here ya be! I could give a rat's butt if Mindy or David or you, don't like my choice in getting my ears candled. On May 2, 12:32 am, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Yes you have! You and Mindy have cast doubt on one of her > > cherished beliefs, and that's a violation of her Constititional [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > my choice > in getting my ears candled. There was no "rescure" David was doing just fine. DCS merely felt that your comment deserved more response. It is called Free Speech, something you are afraid of. >> Yes you have! You and Mindy have cast doubt on one of her >> cherished beliefs, and that's a violation of her Constititional [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >ya be! I could give a rat's butt if Mindy or David or you, don't like >my choice in getting my ears candled. Who's trying to stop you? I can call you ridiculous for doing it, but I haven't lifted a finger to try to prevent it. Do it every day for all I care. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan >> In article >> <d7881db1-fde9-46f7-86f8-0c9230702311@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> And I haven't tried to stop you, you silly toad. I haven't put any >> obstacles in your way at all. Idiot comment removed > > wrote: > >> In article [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Idiot comment removed > And replaced by another. > In message <ipmdnVzGePC0DIfVnZ2dnUVZ_hadn...@comcast.com>, David Wright wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | > +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+ if we were able to cast doubts on her beliefs, it's because here beliefs were a lttle thin to begin with.... > I'm a great believer in chi quong, myself. Tell me about chi quong and how it has benefited you. I know nothing about it. > You're free to try whatever therapy you like, no matter how insane I > think it sounds. Sounds. That would be the key to this. I get it David, it "sounds" insane to you, so therefore you discount any probabilities that it would do any good. So, you lack personal experience in the matter, and you think it is "insane." I understand you now. If it "sounds" insane, you are not willing to try it. You would have to experience it to understand why I choose to partake in getting my ears candled. And no, it is not harmful either. :>) >> I'm a great believer in chi quong, myself. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >would do any good. So, you lack personal experience in the matter, >and you think it is "insane." I have no personal experience with driving my car into a brick wall, but it sounds like a bad idea. You disagree? Go ahead and try it yourself. >I understand you now. If it "sounds" insane, you are not willing to >try it. And this bothers you for what reason? If something sounded insane to you, you'd rush right out to do it anyway? >You would have to experience it to understand why I choose to partake >in getting my ears candled. And no, it is not harmful either. :>) As long as falling ashes don't burn your eardrum, of course. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan Tired old apples - oranges removed. > Tired old apples - oranges removed. Orange you glad I didn't say apples, Tools---you know what they say about one bad apple---in this case it could spoil the whole bunch!! > As long as falling ashes don't burn your eardrum, of course. Whatever are talking about??? This never occurs. It would appear that you really do not have any real knowledge of ear candling other than what you read on a website. Just because Quackwatch doesn't support it, doesn't mean that it is bad for you. He would just happen to have a different opinion than other people. >> As long as falling ashes don't burn your eardrum, of course. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >opinion >than other people. Laryngoscope. 1996 Oct;106(10):1226-9. Ear candles--efficacy and safety. Seely DR, Quigley SM, Langman AW. Spokane Ear, Nose, and Throat Clinic, WA 99204, USA. Ear candles are a popular and inexpensive alternative health treatment advocated for cerumen removal. A hollow candle is burned with one end in the ear canal with the intent of creating negative pressure and drawing cerumen from the ear. If effective, significant savings could result from the use of ear candles. This study evaluates the efficacy and safety of this alternative method for cerumen management. Tympanometric measurements in an ear canal model demonstrated that ear candles do not produce negative pressure. A limited clinical trial (eight ears) showed no removal of cerumen from the external auditory canal. Candle wax was actually deposited in some. A survey of 122 otolaryngologists identified 21 ear injuries resulting from ear candle use. Ear candles have no benefit in the management of cerumen and may result in serious injury. PMID: 8849790 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Have a nice day. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > Laryngoscope. 1996 Oct;106(10):1226-9. > Ear candles--efficacy and safety. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." > -- John Dolan Wow David, 1996....couldn't you find anything more recent? I've never seen you post a study before, where exactly did you get that? And don't say Pubmed!! One would think that there had been a Boston Tea Party over the weekend!! Interestingly enough, I thought the same thing about the candle wax being the part that was coming out of the candle myself. So, in order to dispute that fact, I had the "wax" that was found in the bowl of water analyzed. It wasn't the candle wax but ear wax. Sure there is a little of the beeswax in the bowl, but there is ear wax as well, with the majority of the wax being ear wax. They are also two different colors. I've had sessions where no wax has come out of each ear. Explain that please, using the same kind of candles, zero wax or any kind. I don't think that theory of limited ears (eight) holds a candle to my personal opinion. >> Laryngoscope. 1996 Oct;106(10):1226-9. >> Ear candles--efficacy and safety. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >seen you post a study before, where exactly did you get that? And >don't say Pubmed!! Why not? That's where it's from. And 1996 is plenty recent, unless you're going to try to claim that there's been some sort of technological revolution in ear candle design in the last ten years. >One would think that there had been a Boston Tea Party over the >weekend!! Well, the Celtics won in the first round of the playoffs. >Interestingly enough, I thought the same thing about the candle wax >being the part that was coming out of the candle myself. So, in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I've had sessions where no wax has come out of each ear. Explain that >please, using the same kind of candles, zero wax or any kind. With so little data, what's to explain? >I don't think that theory of limited ears (eight) holds a candle to my >personal opinion. I'm sure you don't, but that's because you're impervious to the idea that you might not be a perfect observer. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > I'm sure you don't, but that's because you're impervious to the idea > that you might not be a perfect observer. And that study was connected by a clinic that regularly does ear flushes. Here's my point----when I first tried it I was in Iowa City near campus. I was skeptical at first, but after getting my hair cut I saw the sign on the wall. This was 1998. While I was sitting there a nurse came in, and had her ears candled. I asked her why she did that, and she said it was a relaxful way of getting the gunk out of her ears. After I got my hair cut, I wandered in to see what it was all about. (I was invited in). She explained (the nurse) that she had just had a couple of doses of AntiB's--and she wanted to get the residue out. The candles were made of a unbleached muslin, with bees wax holding them together. I asked how do you know that the beeswax is not what is coming out, and not ear wax. There were two different colors of stuff in the bowl, and a bunch of white powdery looking stuff, which the nurse explained was the yeast residue. So the ear candler lit a candle on fire, and let it burn, without it being in the ear. And after it burned awhile, she cut it off and dropped it into a bowl of water. Then she took some kind of wood stick, and poked down the candle, and some off white flakes came out. She burned it all of the way down, stopping, and repeating the process. There was nothing other than the off white flakes that came out, kind of looked like offwhite cornmeal. So I gave it a whirl. She used two candles in each year. The first candles in each ear didn't do much of anything, but the second candles in each ear produced some serious wax. You can tell the difference. Of course there was the off white flaky stuff that I had seen in the test of just burning the candle alone, and there were globs of ear wax. Another friend of mine was skeptical but she wanted to give it a try. I said, if you want to do it, do it because you want to do it, not just because I have done it before, or I am doing it. The ancient Egyptians practiced this, well before there were Ear, Nose, and Throat specialists, and no one tried to stop them. For someone with zero experience, and I know it is your job to prove that ear candles are hocus pocus, otherwise you wouldn't be posting the same spew that is on the Quackwatch web pages. That has been the entire focus on this thread. I know that, and you know that. You've never tried it, and I have. You've only read about it. So, as I tell everyone that wants to try something different, just like one does with prescription drugs, you have to decide if it is is right for you, and it would appear based on your beliefs that it is not right for you, but that doesn't mean it is not right for everyone else. I've never had a doctor prescribe this therapy for me, but I have had a doctor interested in this therapy, after reviewing the contents of the stuff floating in the bowl and making the discovery that it was indeed ear wax, and not hocus pocus. Thank you. > Wow David, 1996....couldn't you find anything more recent? I've never > seen you post a study before, where exactly did you get that? And > don't say Pubmed!! May we quote you when someone posts material from the 18th century? | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <93c894c5-1f6f-4305-b9ca-84643f042...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | > +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+ HAPPY MOTHER'S Day to any who are Mothers : Wow David, 1996....couldn't you find anything more recent? Did you read the article that I referenced? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In article <93c894c5-1f6f-4305-b9ca-84643f042...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY to any who are mothers... > In article <7387772b-6363-49d2-a7c7-af920114d...@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." > -- John Dolan Remember, David... She likes how relaxing it is... Also, too far into defence mode and too lazy to do a simple, inexpensive experiment for herself, the placebo effect is evidently addicting? >> In article ><7387772b-6363-49d2-a7c7-af920114d...@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >defence mode and too lazy to do a simple, inexpensive experiment for >herself, the placebo effect is evidently addicting? Reminds me of a Steve Martin routine where he came onstage an announced how high he was. Eventually, he revealed the name of the drug: Placebos. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan On May 1, 10:17 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > > Sure I do. Some of it. But not all of it. In any event, if I choose > > to criticize *you* that is not the same as criticizing alternative [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > do it? No one. Those of us that enjoy it is our right as consumer to > partake in it. We live in the U.S.A., not North Korea. And those of us who know that it is useless, and potentially dangerous, have the absolute right to say so. I am sure you agree with that. On May 1, 10:17 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > On May 1, 5:47 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > do it? No one. Those of us that enjoy it is our right as consumer to > partake in it. We live in the U.S.A., not North Korea. And those of us who know that it is useless, and potentially dangerous, have the absolute right to say so. I am sure you agree with that. So Mark, how do you "KNOW" that it is useless? Please provide details. > On May 1, 10:17 pm, Butterflies1...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I am sure you agree with that. > So Mark, how do you "KNOW" that it is useless? Please provide details For it to work, it would have to develop a pressure gradient where the gunk would be drawn out. That would require an air tight seal and a pressure that may even wind up damaging the ear drum. The candles do not provide enough pressure. |
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