I hope not, I would hate another 4 more years of a republican
president.

On Apr 23, 5:24 pm, "The Werewolf's Lair" <werewolfk...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

IMHO boron is better and safer than Strontium for bone and cartilage
health - do a search on it and see.  Many parts of the World's soil
are depleted of boron.  I haven't seen yet how it actually works on
molecular level but it looks like it has something to do with the
membranes and lipid metabolism.

Taka

  I found it surprising that strontium (atomic number 38, directly
below calcium in the periodic table) not only encourages osteoblasts and
discourages osteoclasts, but it also enters sufficiently into bone
mineralization to "confuse" the radiologists so they have to distinguish
between real bone "density" and the "density" caused by the greater
radio-opacity of strontium compared to calcium.

  It makes me wonder how important strontium is in human nutrition, how
abundant it is, and whether it ought to be added to soils.

  Say, BoneLady, if you could limit the length of your lines to 72
characters, it'd make life easier for some of us.  I hate having to
fetch my mouse out of storage!  :-)

Who considers strontium to be an essential nutrient?

Is there a study that indicates that strontium in the bone matrix is
the cause of higher bone strength?

--
  Ron

  "Essential" usually has a special meaning in nutrition.  Calcium is a
"major mineral," while strontium is rarely mentioned in nutrition
textbooks, and is usually treated as a "trace element" or micronutrient.

  You'll find some interesting information about it if you use Google
to search for:

  strontium -kscripts site:orthomolecular.org

  Their emphasis is on schizophrenia, but their investigations into
micronutrients are coming up with interesting findings.

  (Incidentally, the worldwide contamination of soils with strontium-90
during the era of atom bomb testing suggests another reason for
considering the addition strontium to soils.)

Unfortunately, in a sense,I have been consulting the same doctor for
nearly 20 years. Prior to my retirement the clinic was my company's
medical advisor and they still treat several of the original
management staff. When a problem develops my doctor is prepared to
discuss all aspects of the treatment as well as any alternate
treatments and to consult if she feels it advisable. I don't seem to
have many of the patient/doctor problems that I read about in the
group.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

Not to argue with you but in much of S.E. Asia vitamin D is pretty
much disregarded by physicians as it is extremely rare for low levels
to be found. Some time ago I attempted to have my Vit D levels tested
and found that no lab in Bangkok performed the tests as, pointed out
to me by a doctor, "because of the amount of sunlight the average Thai
is exposed to no one had insufficient vitamin D".

I might point out that labs in Thailand appear to offer a pretty
comprehensive breadth of tests I suspect that the inability to obtain
the test for Vitamin D lies with the lack of requests for it rather
then any "backwardness" in the management of the lab.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On May 1, 3:18 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for the informative article on strontium ranelate, a
prescription drug not available in the U.S.A. Strontium citrate is
available without a prescription. Since it is the strontium that is
incorporated into the bone matrix, any easily assimilable strontium
salt should work just as well in preventing bone fractures.Please
visit my non-commercial blog on strontium for osteoporosis and
osteopenia at http://strontiumforbones.blogspot.com/

BoneLady
===============================

Non-commercial, eh??

Yet you fail, afaict, to mention *any other* non-strontium modality--pretty
narrow focus for an old lady w/ osteo.  lol.

Well, at least your citrate, discounted, seems reasonable in price, but the
mere--and likely artificial--inhibition of bone resorption is likely not the
be-all and end-all, either, as normal resorption/deposition is an
equilibrium process.
Osteo indicates something else is amiss in the process--see below.

The resorption of bone is likely the shedding of skin, digestive mucosal
cells, etc.  Ie, resorption/deposition keeps bone "fresh"--as long as the
deposition part occurs!

You omit exercise, calcium, magnesium, vit D, and a host of other trace
minerals associated w/ bone, boron being just one.

And strategies for the above, such as divided doses for all nutrients, ESP
calcium, which is 1. not easily absorbed to begin with, and 2. whose
absorption can quite decrease with age.

For someone with osteo, I would recommend something on the order of 200-250
mg  four to six times a day.

High amounts of phosphoric acid, as in Coke, supposedly wreak havoc with
bone density, and greatly increase Ca requirements.

Studies have also shown that there is no greater nutritional bull than
"calcium absorbability" schemes.
Turns out that the plain, cheap Calcium carbonate is absorbed as well or
better than chelates, and all the other crap.
This is because most calcium compounds are cleaved right in the stomach, so
it ultimately it is only ionic calcium reaching the gut, no matter how it is
compounded.
Overly-complexing calcium, such as in strong chelates and carboxylic acids
(a common food moeity), actually hinders absorption.

Exercise should probably not be percussive, such as in running, but not this
namby-pamby useless stuff either.
As much weight, range of motion, both in extension and compression, as the
old body will safely allow.
Uphill walking, weights, hanging, calisthenics, **isometrics**, and perhaps
an experimental brief jog or two, as tolerated, on very soft surfaces--sand,
dirt, etc, in good sneakers.
Perhaps as a precursor to attempts at jogging would be mild "bouncing" to
very slight jumping, as in jumping rope.  This is actually fairly low
impact, if the knees are kept bent, and low impact if the feet don't leave
the floor.  Burns calories, too.

Isometrics are a powerful method, intrinsically employed by yoga, QiChong,
and less so in the more interesting Tai Chi.
Simply standing on one leg, with eyes closed if possible, for 15+ seconds,
is surprisingly difficult, even for me --a Dr. Roizen recommendation as a
test of aging, but a great exercise in its own right, both neural and
muscular.
Many people will have to steady themselves with a chair or wall, but the
goal is to do it freestanding.

Mild dips of the knee (very shallow one-legged kneebends) will substantially
load the leg, hips.  The deep one-legged kneebends is a very advanced
technique among martial artists.
Shallow or deep, this is a super-exercise for *anyone*.

There are a number of isometric websites, and numerous techniques.
Gadgets are unnecessary, and in fact, the two best isometric aids are a
broomstick and a rope.  Limb against limb are super as well.

Older people, unsteady or insecure, should certainly guard against falls,
have padding/cushions/matts around, and something or someone to hold on to.
4" foam is great (upholstery shops).  Older people can start by simply
shifting the weight from one foot to another, before outright raising one
leg.
Walking in place, lifting each knee as high as is safely tolerable, is not a
bad start either.

Roizen talked about the importance of learning how to fall in older people.
4" foam is good for this also, and the mere act of rolling onto one's back
and then climbing back up into a standing position multiple times is no
trivial thing, even for un-old people.  10 reps of that will leave anyone
starting to breathe heavy.