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Jan - 29 Jul 2003 00:44 GMT
Last Wednesday, July 23rd, 2003, a formal complaint was filed against
Department of Regulation and Licensing employee Arthur Thexton with the United
States Attorney Department of Justice Western District of Wisconsin alleging
"Corruption in office by State official, attempted extortion, Mail Fraud, Wire
Fraud, Deprivation of intangible right of honest services."

The complaint states in part: "The said Thexton has used his office to defraud
the State of Wisconsin of in excess of $75,000.00 (Seventy-five thousand
"dollars") in conspiracy with one Robert S. Baratz, knowing the same Baratz to
be incompetent as an "expert witness", or having been required to ascertain the
competency of the said Baratz prior to engaging Baratz's "services" on behalf
of the State of Wisconsin."

Then it goes on to say "The same Thexton has attempted, and continues to
attempt to extort performance of the undersigned, knowing, or being required by
his alleged training and professional experience to know, that neither Thexton
nor the Division of Enforcement, Department of Regulation and Licensing, State
of Wisconsin have jurisdiction and/ or authority over the personal and private
activities and relationships of the undersigned."

And then it says "The enclosed documents shall provide prima facie evidence of
the malevolent intent and illegal and unlawful acts of the said Thexton.
Documentation is being acquired as evidence of the conversion of funds of the
State of Wisconsin by Arthur Thexton in conspiracy with Robert S. Baratz."

Stay tuned...

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate
Peter Bowditch - 29 Jul 2003 03:24 GMT
>Last Wednesday, July 23rd, 2003, a formal complaint was filed against
>Department of Regulation and Licensing employee Arthur Thexton with the United
>States Attorney Department of Justice Western District of Wisconsin alleging
>"Corruption in office by State official, attempted extortion, Mail Fraud, Wire
>Fraud, Deprivation of intangible right of honest services."

If you can't produce any evidence for the defence, start discrediting
the prosecutor.

>The complaint states in part: "The said Thexton has used his office to defraud
>the State of Wisconsin of in excess of $75,000.00 (Seventy-five thousand
>"dollars") in conspiracy with one Robert S. Baratz, knowing the same Baratz to
>be incompetent as an "expert witness", or having been required to ascertain the
>competency of the said Baratz prior to engaging Baratz's "services" on behalf
>of the State of Wisconsin."

If you can't produce any evidence for the defence, start discrediting
the witnesses.

>Then it goes on to say "The same Thexton has attempted, and continues to
>attempt to extort performance of the undersigned, knowing, or being required by
>his alleged training and professional experience to know, that neither Thexton
>nor the Division of Enforcement, Department of Regulation and Licensing, State
>of Wisconsin have jurisdiction and/ or authority over the personal and private
>activities and relationships of the undersigned."

If you can't produce any evidence for the defence, start discrediting
the prosecutor.

>And then it says "The enclosed documents shall provide prima facie evidence of
>the malevolent intent and illegal and unlawful acts of the said Thexton.
>Documentation is being acquired as evidence of the conversion of funds of the
>State of Wisconsin by Arthur Thexton in conspiracy with Robert S. Baratz."

If you can't produce any evidence for the defence, start discrediting
the prosecutor.

>Stay tuned...
>
>Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

Thank you, Jan, for passing this on, despite your dislike of Tim Bolen
and his tactics. Do you have any idea when Bolen and his cronies are
going to produce their expert witness who can testify that using the
wrong chemical for chelation is acceptable medical practice? If I
remember correctly, you have had much to say in the past about doctors
administering the wrong chemical and, at the risk of being accused of
lying, I also seem to recall that you used an example of this to
demonise real doctors.

In summary, here is the defence case for Dr Kadile:

The prosecutor is corrupt and is in conspiracy with a witness.
Evidence of this is that an expert witness was paid. This proves that
Dr Kadile did not administer the wrong chemical when treating a
patient.

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Peter Moran - 29 Jul 2003 05:54 GMT
I was going to say something like "show a bit of common sense,  Jan",   but
never mind.     PB has said it all.

Peter Moran
Jan - 29 Jul 2003 06:41 GMT
>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Peter Moran

My common sense is NOT the issue.

The below is, further more PB said it all alright. He repeated the same old
lies, and he has been asked once AGAIN to post his proof.

Last Wednesday, July 23rd, 2003, a formal complaint was filed against
Department of Regulation and Licensing employee Arthur Thexton with the United
States Attorney Department of Justice Western District of Wisconsin alleging
"Corruption in office by State official, attempted extortion, Mail Fraud, Wire
Fraud, Deprivation of intangible right of honest services."

The complaint states in part: "The said Thexton has used his office to defraud
the State of Wisconsin of in excess of $75,000.00 (Seventy-five thousand
"dollars") in conspiracy with one Robert S. Baratz, knowing the same Baratz to
be incompetent as an "expert witness", or having been required to ascertain the
competency of the said Baratz prior to engaging Baratz's "services" on behalf
of the State of Wisconsin."

Then it goes on to say "The same Thexton has attempted, and continues to
attempt to extort performance of the undersigned, knowing, or being required by
his alleged training and professional experience to know, that neither Thexton
nor the Division of Enforcement, Department of Regulation and Licensing, State
of Wisconsin have jurisdiction and/ or authority over the personal and private
activities and relationships of the undersigned."

And then it says "The enclosed documents shall provide prima facie evidence of
the malevolent intent and illegal and unlawful acts of the said Thexton.
Documentation is being acquired as evidence of the conversion of funds of the
State of Wisconsin by Arthur Thexton in conspiracy with Robert S. Baratz."

Stay tuned...

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate
Peter Moran - 29 Jul 2003 08:57 GMT
> >Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
> >From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> My common sense is NOT the issue.

Oh?    It must be your hypocrisy, then.   How many of Bolen's assertions or
predictions have ever proved true?   He is the worst liar ever to surface on
the Net,  and you know how you feel about LYING.

Peter Moran

AITRSyet you accuse others of lyuing It so happens in this case that Baratz
was not initially ever hoing to be involved.   The expert witness for the
prosecution was to have been another doctor who unfortunately died.

> The below is, further more PB said it all alright. He repeated the same old
> lies, and he has been asked once AGAIN to post his proof.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate
Jan - 29 Jul 2003 21:20 GMT
>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Oh?    It must be your hypocrisy, then

No, it is neither.

> How many of Bolen's assertions or
>predictions have ever proved true?  

I haven't kept a record. Do show us.

>He is the worst liar ever to surface on
>the Net,  and you know how you feel about LYING.
>
>Peter Moran

No he isn't the worst, that woud be Quack Barrett, and then your recoreding of
lying has been shown.

Last Wednesday, July 23rd, 2003, a formal complaint was filed against
Department of Regulation and Licensing employee Arthur Thexton with the United
States Attorney Department of Justice Western District of Wisconsin alleging
"Corruption in office by State official, attempted extortion, Mail Fraud, Wire
Fraud, Deprivation of intangible right of honest services."

The complaint states in part: "The said Thexton has used his office to defraud
the State of Wisconsin of in excess of $75,000.00 (Seventy-five thousand
"dollars") in conspiracy with one Robert S. Baratz, knowing the same Baratz to
be incompetent as an "expert witness", or having been required to ascertain the
competency of the said Baratz prior to engaging Baratz's "services" on behalf
of the State of Wisconsin."

Then it goes on to say "The same Thexton has attempted, and continues to
attempt to extort performance of the undersigned, knowing, or being required by
his alleged training and professional experience to know, that neither Thexton
nor the Division of Enforcement, Department of Regulation and Licensing, State
of Wisconsin have jurisdiction and/ or authority over the personal and private
activities and relationships of the undersigned."

And then it says "The enclosed documents shall provide prima facie evidence of
the malevolent intent and illegal and unlawful acts of the said Thexton.
Documentation is being acquired as evidence of the conversion of funds of the
State of Wisconsin by Arthur Thexton in conspiracy with Robert S. Baratz."

Stay tuned...

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate
D. C. Sessions - 29 Jul 2003 22:03 GMT
> Oh?    It must be your hypocrisy, then.   How many of Bolen's assertions or
> predictions have ever proved true?   He is the worst liar ever to surface on
> the Net,  and you know how you feel about LYING.

Yup: Jan's challenging him for the title.

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Peter Bowditch - 30 Jul 2003 00:24 GMT
>> Oh?    It must be your hypocrisy, then.   How many of Bolen's assertions or
>> predictions have ever proved true?   He is the worst liar ever to surface on
>> the Net,  and you know how you feel about LYING.
>
>Yup: Jan's challenging him for the title.

That must be why she posts his lies again verbatim when challenged on
their truth content.

--
Peter Bowditch peterb@ratbags.com
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Ilsa9 - 29 Jul 2003 14:43 GMT
>>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>>From: "Peter Moran" moringa@gil.com.au
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>My common sense is NOT the issue.

Certainly not!  Like the alleged conspiracy between the prosecutor and the
excellent witness, Baratz, it is Non-Existent.

f.ck off, Jan.
Jan - 29 Jul 2003 21:26 GMT
>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com63929  (Ilsa9)
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Certainly not!  Like the alleged conspiracy between the prosecutor and the
>excellent witness, Baratz, it is Non-Existent.

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/wisconsin_legislature.htm

WISCONSIN LEGISLATURE

P.O. Box 7882 Madison, WI  53707-7882
 

July 16, 2003                                                                  
                        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

For more information, contact:

Rep. Sheryl Albers 608-266-853

Sen. Dale Schultz 608-266-0703

Schultz, Albers Blast Chelation Therapy Witch Hunt

State Agency Spends $50,000 On “Expert” Witness With Suspect Background


State Capitol – Sen. Dale Schultz (R – Richland Center) and Rep. Sheryl
Albers (R – Reedsburg) questioned today the legitimacy of a disciplinary
process underway against a state doctor using alternative therapies to treat
patients.  

The Department of Regulation and Licensing (DRL) is currently in the middle of
disciplinary proceeding against Dr. Eleazar Kadile, in part for using chelation
therapy as an alternative treatment for patients with heart disease.  Similar
arguments have been levied at LaValle resident Dr. Robert Waters, who runs the
Waters Preventative Medicine Center in Wisconsin Dells.  

“We have constituents who swear by this treatment.  If they feel better as a
result of it, who are we to take that from them?” said Schultz.  “When it
comes to health care, individuals should make these decisions, not overzealous
paper-pushers.”  

Much of the attention surrounds the state’s expert witness, Dr. Robert
Baratz.  Baratz runs the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), a
non-profit organization based near Boston, Massachusetts.  However, many
individuals have questioned his professional credibility.  He has been accused
of padding his resume as an expert in alternative medicine so that he can
collect fees for testifying before licensing and review boards.  To date,
Baratz has received $48,806 in state funds for his services.  According to
Christopher Klein, DRL Executive Assistant, Baratz has dropped off an
additional stack of invoices to cover his fees for this appearance.  However,
it is unclear as to what further payments Baratz will receive from the state.

According to the NCAHF’s 2001 tax return, the non-profit organization
reported just $17,967 in contributions, including $13,000 from one individual.
“No matter how big or grand it tries to appear on paper, this organization is
hardly a major player in the medical field,” Albers said.    

“As taxpayers, we are outraged that a person with such a questionable record
has soaked us to the tune of $50,000,” Schultz added.  “We’re paying
$50,000 to fly in some character from Boston who has entire websites devoted to
questioning his expertise.  Sounds to me like a bad investment of our tax
dollars.”    

At the request of Dr. Robert Waters, Schultz and Albers have introduced
identical bills in the Senate and Assembly to allow physicians who practice
chelation therapy to do so without aggressive bureaucrats attacking their
credibility.  “Dale and I are both aware that studies are still being done as
to the effectiveness of chelation therapy for some conditions,” Albers said.
“The FDA licenses chelation therapy for treating lead toxicity.  Dr. Waters
provides chelation therapy as one option for his patients and properly informs
them of the potential risks.  If people want to spend their hard-earned money
on this treatment, why shouldn’t they be able to?”

Jan
Ilsa9 - 29 Jul 2003 21:39 GMT
>>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com63929  (Ilsa9)
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/wisconsin_legislature.htm

Jan's integrity, like her Mercury Amalgam poisoning, exists only in her
delusions.  Jan has repeatedly claimed to killfile me, yet here again, she
replies directly to me.  Perhaps it is Satan that has control over Jan.  Why
else would she lack the self-control, intellectual honesty, or integrity to
keep her word?
Peter Bowditch - 30 Jul 2003 00:26 GMT
>>>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com63929  (Ilsa9)
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>else would she lack the self-control, intellectual honesty, or integrity to
>keep her word?

And yet again, her only response was to post a complete, unedited
version of the original pack o'lies, straight from Bolen's web site.
Isn't it strange that she needs to quote Bolen in full (and
repeatedly) but I only rate half a percent?

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WB - 30 Jul 2003 00:32 GMT
>And yet again, her only response was to post a complete, unedited
>version of the original pack o'lies, straight from Bolen's web site.
>Isn't it strange that she needs to quote Bolen in full (and
>repeatedly) but I only rate half a percent?

Maybe she can't stand that much truth in her posts.
D. C. Sessions - 30 Jul 2003 00:57 GMT
> And yet again, her only response was to post a complete, unedited
> version of the original pack o'lies, straight from Bolen's web site.
> Isn't it strange that she needs to quote Bolen in full (and
> repeatedly) but I only rate half a percent?

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| for new products or new versions of existing products."            |
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Jan - 30 Jul 2003 05:22 GMT
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com63929  (Ilsa9)
>Date: 7/29/2003 12:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>else would she lack the self-control, intellectual honesty, or integrity to
>keep her word?

From: Jan (jdrew63929@aol.com)
Subject: Re: I do believe there are anti Christian bigots on this board.
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)  
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative

***Date: 2003-07-28 20:38:09 PST ***

<snip>

>You need to learn how to quote and attribute correctly.

Tell you what, kiss off, as your buddies do it all the time.

I may just take them all out of my killfile and show you this is complete
nonsense and something to groan about.

===========================

But, not to worry, all of you are going back in after today, all you do in pat
one another on the back, use filthy language and

LIE LIE LIE.

I have better things to do with my time.

Jan
Rich Shewmaker - 30 Jul 2003 17:12 GMT
--

> LIE LIE LIE.
>
> Jan

< Sound of bells ringing and a stage band playing Stars and Stripes Forever

$  KaChing!!!     $100

Quackwatch and Ratbags donations both maxed out for the month of July!

Congratulations, Jan, for your support of skeptical enlightenment in a world
of quackery.

The August count starts soon.

;o)   Rich
Orac - 30 Jul 2003 18:25 GMT
> --
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> The August count starts soon.

I'm surprised it took Jan nearly 30 days to reach the maximum. I figured
she'd reach it sometime in the middle of the month.
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Ilsa9 - 30 Jul 2003 19:30 GMT
>--
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>;o)   Rich

I'm going to match your donation to Quackwatch.  No offense to Peter, I just
prefer to do my charity work a bit closer to home.  Besides, Jan seems
determined to send tens of millions of dollars your way.
Tsu Dho Nimh - 31 Jul 2003 14:34 GMT
>$  KaChing!!!     $100
>
>Quackwatch and Ratbags donations both maxed out for the month of July!

I'm glad you put an upper limit on that.  

Tsu

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Mark Probert - 29 Jul 2003 10:20 GMT
> Last Wednesday, July 23rd, 2003, a formal complaint was filed against
> Department of Regulation and Licensing employee Arthur Thexton with the United
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

Glaringly absent from this trash is who filed the complaint.

Does *anyone* doubt it was Bolen or one of his minions?
Jan - 29 Jul 2003 21:22 GMT
>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>From: Mark Probert markprobert@lumbocartel.com
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
>Does *anyone* doubt it was Bolen or one of his minions?

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/wisconsin_legislature.htm

WISCONSIN LEGISLATURE

P.O. Box 7882 Madison, WI  53707-7882
 

July 16, 2003                                                                  
                        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

For more information, contact:

Rep. Sheryl Albers 608-266-853

Sen. Dale Schultz 608-266-0703

Schultz, Albers Blast Chelation Therapy Witch Hunt

State Agency Spends $50,000 On “Expert” Witness With Suspect Background


State Capitol – Sen. Dale Schultz (R – Richland Center) and Rep. Sheryl
Albers (R – Reedsburg) questioned today the legitimacy of a disciplinary
process underway against a state doctor using alternative therapies to treat
patients.  

The Department of Regulation and Licensing (DRL) is currently in the middle of
disciplinary proceeding against Dr. Eleazar Kadile, in part for using chelation
therapy as an alternative treatment for patients with heart disease.  Similar
arguments have been levied at LaValle resident Dr. Robert Waters, who runs the
Waters Preventative Medicine Center in Wisconsin Dells.  

“We have constituents who swear by this treatment.  If they feel better as a
result of it, who are we to take that from them?” said Schultz.  “When it
comes to health care, individuals should make these decisions, not overzealous
paper-pushers.”  

Much of the attention surrounds the state’s expert witness, Dr. Robert
Baratz.  Baratz runs the National Council Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), a
non-profit organization based near Boston, Massachusetts.  However, many
individuals have questioned his professional credibility.  He has been accused
of padding his resume as an expert in alternative medicine so that he can
collect fees for testifying before licensing and review boards.  To date,
Baratz has received $48,806 in state funds for his services.  According to
Christopher Klein, DRL Executive Assistant, Baratz has dropped off an
additional stack of invoices to cover his fees for this appearance.  However,
it is unclear as to what further payments Baratz will receive from the state.

According to the NCAHF’s 2001 tax return, the non-profit organization
reported just $17,967 in contributions, including $13,000 from one individual.
“No matter how big or grand it tries to appear on paper, this organization is
hardly a major player in the medical field,” Albers said.    

“As taxpayers, we are outraged that a person with such a questionable record
has soaked us to the tune of $50,000,” Schultz added.  “We’re paying
$50,000 to fly in some character from Boston who has entire websites devoted to
questioning his expertise.  Sounds to me like a bad investment of our tax
dollars.”    

At the request of Dr. Robert Waters, Schultz and Albers have introduced
identical bills in the Senate and Assembly to allow physicians who practice
chelation therapy to do so without aggressive bureaucrats attacking their
credibility.  “Dale and I are both aware that studies are still being done as
to the effectiveness of chelation therapy for some conditions,” Albers said.
“The FDA licenses chelation therapy for treating lead toxicity.  Dr. Waters
provides chelation therapy as one option for his patients and properly informs
them of the potential risks.  If people want to spend their hard-earned money
on this treatment, why shouldn’t they be able to?”

Jan
Mark Probert - 30 Jul 2003 22:54 GMT
>>Subject: Re: More Happenings in Wisconsin
>>From: Mark Probert markprobert@lumbocartel.com
[quoted text clipped - 143 lines]
>
> Jan

I still want to know who filed the complaint. The article does not
mention it. The quotes from the first article do sound Bolenesque.
 
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