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Tim Bolen----gotta love him--gotta hate him!!

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Bee - 19 Apr 2008 23:13 GMT
Interesting read:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/1065.html

Much of what Tim Bolen says about health care choices in the U.S., and
what is happening with health care in the U.S. of A I have to agree
with.  The 5 minute doctor visits---never get to the root of the
problem ----I think  the "Discount Warehouse Pricing  Mentality" when
it comes to healthcare, and cheapness is a disgrace to the once highly
esteemed world of medical professionals.  I remember hearing comments,
like "He's a doctor," from ladies pushing their babies down the street
and pointing at someone on the other side of the street.  The kids in
grammar school in the 50's and 60's whose fathers were doctors or
dentists -- were known as DK's, in the same sense that fathers that
were ministers offspring were called PK's.    Those were the days that
doctors actually spent time with patients and physicals were more than
5-10 minutes.    Heathcare has indeed changed --some points for the
good, and some points for the not so good.

For the average person in a hurry for a diagnosis at a doctor's office
so they can get in and out, prescribed some kind of medicine would
appear to be the undereducated lot of consumers.  I had to laugh at a
colleague a number of years ago; she had a lunch box, and in her
lunchbox were so many pills---I used to tell her she spent most of
her lunch time swallowing pills instead of eating lunch, and the sad
part was she couldn't tell me what half of the pills she was
swallowing were for.  I said, "didn't your doctor tell you why he
prescribed these?"    Well, he was in a hurry, one of his patients
kept him a half an hour, and by the time he got to me he was
backlogged.  I would have sat there and got the answers I needed
before letting him/her out of the door.  Every consumer has the right
to know what's going on with their health!

I think some of the comments that have been directed towards Tim Bolen
here in this newsgroup come from the fact that he believes in choice
of health care, whether it be alternative health choices or
traditional conventional medicine.  For some, there is no choice; for
some it appears that they do not want others to have a choice, and for
some, like myself, we want more in our medical diagnosis than what the
5 minutes has to offer.   I have to agree with some of those that post
here, his bedside manner sometimes leaves one wondering, "who was that
masked man?" when he comes in and out of here.....he isn't for the
faint of heart....but in my opinion, he has a good heart....he would
appear to care that choice of health care should be left up to the
consumer.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 20 Apr 2008 16:01 GMT
> Interesting read:
>
> http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/1065.html

It would be interesting to see what would happen if suitable laws were
passed to force the disease insurance companies to begin to pay for
non-allopathic medical care.

It would be of interest also if all parents joined forces to withhold
taking their children to pediatricians for their "well...but dead...
baby shots."
Nothing would put more pressure on the docs and big pharma if the
public would boycott the shots.  If the pediatricians lost the profit
from the office visits and the shots,  I wonder how long it would take
to get some meaningful research data on the real safety and
effectiveness of vaccines if parents would only force the issue
financially?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 20 Apr 2008 18:37 GMT
> It would be interesting to see what would happen if suitable laws were
> passed to force the disease insurance companies to begin to pay for
> non-allopathic medical care.

How about a compromise?  $EMPLOYER has "alternative care"
coverage that we can choose either in addition to routine
medical coverage or in place of.

It's called "choice" instead of "force."

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
drceephd@insightbb.com - 20 Apr 2008 19:46 GMT
> In message <cbf36c7b-501a-4f29-ba38-4c2633103...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
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> | sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
> +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+

Nice idea, but unless the employer is "self insured" and directs its
oversight insurance company to allow the claim, then there is no
choice.  It is allopathy or nothing.  That is the use of financial
force, isn't it?

I really am for an interest bearing, non-taxable account that will be
funded similar to the current disease insurance cost program.  Here,
the employee and the employer funds the program as usual.  If the
employee needs medical treatment of his/her choice, the funds come out
of the program.  If the employee never needs to make a claim, then the
money will be his/hers for retirement or what ever.  At a reasonable
5% interest per year, the employees would be millionaires come
retirement time.

Beats the heck out of retireing into poverty and disease.

DrCee
D. C. Sessions - 20 Apr 2008 21:09 GMT
>> In message <cbf36c7b-501a-4f29-ba38-4c2633103...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> It's called "choice" instead of "force."

> Nice idea, but unless the employer is "self insured" and directs its
> oversight insurance company to allow the claim, then there is no
> choice.  It is allopathy or nothing.  That is the use of financial
> force, isn't it?

You mistake me.  Upon enrollment last month, I had the choice
of "conventional," "alternative," both, or neither.  No
requirement for me to pay for "alternative," no requirement
for you to pay for "conventional."  In fact, by waiving
"conventional," you would get more back than the cost of
the "alternative" coverage.

> I really am for an interest bearing, non-taxable account that will be
> funded similar to the current disease insurance cost program.

Health Savings Accounts.  Already law in the USA.

> Here,
> the employee and the employer funds the program as usual.  If the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 5% interest per year, the employees would be millionaires come
> retirement time.

Health Savings Accounts don't distinguish, and there are
qualifying high-deductable "alternative" insurance plans
that you can use.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
Mark Probert - 21 Apr 2008 23:30 GMT
> I think some of the comments that have been directed towards Tim Bolen
> here in this newsgroup come from the fact that he believes in choice
> of health care, whether it be alternative health choices or
> traditional conventional medicine.

No, they come from his abusive tactics, regular threats of legal
action, and disgust over some of the abusers he has defended.
Bee - 21 Apr 2008 23:45 GMT
> >Bee I think some of the comments that have been directed towards Tim Bolen
> > here in this newsgroup come from the fact that he believes in choice
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Mark:  No, they come from his abusive tactics, regular threats of legal
> action, and disgust over some of the abusers he has defended.

He has a business to run just as you do, right? :>)
D. C. Sessions - 22 Apr 2008 04:04 GMT
>> >Bee I think some of the comments that have been directed towards Tim Bolen
>> > here in this newsgroup come from the fact that he believes in choice
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>
> He has a business to run just as you do, right? :>)

I kind of doubt that his spamming is efficient enough
to make a living.  The technology on that requires
massive botnets and sophisticated technology; estimates
are that there are only a handful of bot herders behind
more than 90% of the spam today.

I just don't see Bolen in that kind of technology
management role.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
Jan Drew - 22 Apr 2008 00:10 GMT
On Apr 19, 6:13 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think some of the comments that have been directed towards Tim Bolen
> here in this newsgroup come from the fact that he believes in choice
> of health care, whether it be alternative health choices or
> traditional conventional medicine.

No, they come from his abusive tactics, regular threats of legal
action, and disgust over some of the abusers he has defended.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/bddad320e6202cbf?hl=en&

Mon, Jun 5 2006

placing a person's name in a new thread is stalking and harassment

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/e45274053f7816d7

Thurs, Jun 29 2006

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