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Dehydration and Poor Digestion

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Bee - 19 Apr 2008 20:28 GMT
I found this website to be of interest:

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C5217.html

In a recent discussion with a colleague about supplements versus
getting nutrients out of food,
the discussion turned to the dehydration factor as well.

There has also been discussion about both schools of thought about our
bodies needing or not needing 8 glasses of water per day.  I was
advised by my physician that it depends on a person's body weight what
they actually need as far as water consumption is concerned.  That
each body has a different need.  That makes sense.

I sat and watched a businessman come into a local restaurant and order
lunch.  I overhead him tell the waitress he was "in a hurry," and
wanted whatever was the fastest.  She explained that the Beef Teriyaki
meal was the special of the day and that was already ready.  He
ordered that.  It was approximately 5 minutes from the time he ordered
until the food got there.  I was already seated, and waiting for my
Chinese chicken salad to be prepared and delivered to me.    His food
arrived 5 minutes later, and the entire time he looked at his watch as
if he was late for something.  His food arrived before mine, and
within 10 minutes he had swallowed but not chewed his meal, and slid
his meal down with 2 cups of coffee and was gone.

I watched him "bite" the food, but not chew it up properly.  He could
not possibly have turned his food into "soup" before it went down the
hatch.    But he is not alone, I've watched others do the exact same
thing.

Would it be safe to say that the reason that Americans are buying
supplements because they are not getting the nutrients they need out
of the food they eat because they aren't bothering to chew their food
before it goes down the hatch so that the body's natural enzymes can
work on the digestion in the manner our bodies' digestion system was
designed to work?

Dehydration --people have the wrong idea that drinking coffee, tea,
colas, soft drinks need to be included in their daily intake of
liquids count.  I know I used to be one of them, before I was told
that they are dehydrating to the body.

Our society seems to be too much in a hurry. Maybe it is time to slow
down and smell the roses, or at least enjoy the meal!
D. C. Sessions - 19 Apr 2008 21:13 GMT
> There has also been discussion about both schools of thought about our
> bodies needing or not needing 8 glasses of water per day.  I was
> advised by my physician that it depends on a person's body weight what
> they actually need as far as water consumption is concerned.  That
> each body has a different need.  That makes sense.

Per US Army research (and keep in mind that they have
an interest in both healthy soldiers and not hauling
around more water than necessary) the magic figure
isn't how much you take *in* but how much you put
_out_ -- somewhere in the range of 1.5 to 2.0 liters
of urine per day for a 170 lb body seems to be in
the range.

Sweat etc. increase the need for water since it's not
an effective means of removing waste from the bloodstream.
Personally, I've gone through more than five gallons
working outside on a hot day and had none of it end
up make it to my kidneys.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
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Bee - 19 Apr 2008 21:56 GMT
> Sweat etc. increase the need for water since it's not
> an effective means of removing waste from the bloodstream.
> Personally, I've gone through more than five gallons
> working outside on a hot day and had none of it end
> up make it to my kidneys.

I drink flavored waters for the most part.  But I also am learning
to drink more water.  Even on the Lasix, I don't think that enough
is coming out of me--so where is it going?
D. C. Sessions - 19 Apr 2008 23:04 GMT
>> Sweat etc. increase the need for water since it's not
>> an effective means of removing waste from the bloodstream.
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> to drink more water.  Even on the Lasix, I don't think that enough
> is coming out of me--so where is it going?

If you're not gaining water weight then there
aren't a lot of alternatives: stool, urine, sweat,
and exhalation.  Pick some combination.

In hospitals, they measure output.  It's not just
for kinky amusement; quantity and color matter.
You can do the same, just pee in a "hat" (there
are drop-in plastic ones cheap) and keep records.
Measure all intake and output for a few days,
weigh yourself, and see how things line up.

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Peter Moran - 19 Apr 2008 22:11 GMT
>I found this website to be of interest:
>
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> There has also been discussion about both schools of thought about our
> bodies needing or not needing 8 glasses of water per day.

Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution under differing conditions of
climate, activity and access to water have supplied us with kidneys that can
accurately control the chemistry and pH of the body within extremely wide
limits of food and liquid intake.   You cannot get dehydrated enough to do
harm because intolerable thirst will click in first.  It is possible to
force yourself to drink enough to cause water intoxication but that is not
easy wither.

So apart possibly for some of the elderly who might sometimes need to be
prompted to drink,  I see no reason not to do what your body tells you and
drink when you feel thirsty.

I consider it possible that the present craze for drinking water all the
time will fail to "exercise" the normal concentrating functions of the
kidneys so that under condtions of water deprivation they cannot perform as
well as they should in being able to  produce extremely concentrated urine

Drinking more water than we need simply makes the kidneys work harder  in
the opposite driection -- having to dispose of the excess water while
retaining important electrolytes such as sodium and potassium.

PM

>I was
> advised by my physician that it depends on a person's body weight what
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> Our society seems to be too much in a hurry. Maybe it is time to slow
> down and smell the roses, or at least enjoy the meal!
D. C. Sessions - 19 Apr 2008 23:09 GMT
> So apart possibly for some of the elderly who might sometimes need to be
> prompted to drink,  I see no reason not to do what your body tells you and
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> kidneys so that under condtions of water deprivation they cannot perform as
> well as they should in being able to  produce extremely concentrated urine

Generally true, but there are exceptions.

People who are in unfamiliar circumstances (esp. dryness)
seem to underestimate their water needs from habit or
some such.  Also, it seems that optimal hydration for
purposes of physical efficiency is a bit higher than the
thirst threshold.

A recent experiment with well-matched competitive skiers
had one group drink on demand while the other pushed fluids.
At the end of the day, there was a distinct difference in
the performance of the two groups, with the more hydrated
showing less fatigue etc.

| sh.t happens.  Sometimes it happens to you. |
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Kulacz - 20 Apr 2008 00:06 GMT
> I found this website to be of interest:
>
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> Our society seems to be too much in a hurry. Maybe it is time to slow
> down and smell the roses, or at least enjoy the meal!

This is a great topic.
Whole balanced natural foods that contain all of the ingredients that
our bodies need to function have given way to fast foods and a
reliance on supplements to make up the difference.

You mentioned "slowing down"
It may seem silly to some but it is important in many aspects of life
including the topic of eating.
Fully chewing food and alloiwng the enzymes in the mouth to start
digestion as well as preparing the fully masticated food
for the continued digestion in the stomach and intestines is a
critical part of the digestive process.
Our bodies are not made to perform at its best by "wolfing" down
highly processed foods. It is just about impossible to out smart what
nature intended.
Bee - 20 Apr 2008 00:47 GMT
> This is a great topic.
> Whole balanced natural foods that contain all of the ingredients that
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> It may seem silly to some but it is important in many aspects of life
> including the topic of eating.

I know this is a little "off topic" with the topic - but in your years
in your
former career as a dentist, did you notice an upswing of patients who
would have appeared to grind their teeth either in the daytime or at
night?
If so, would you attribute this to increased stress or expectations in
our
lives or poor habits?

(and for further clarification, a poor habit is not one that a nun
through in the garbage can) - ha!
Kulacz - 20 Apr 2008 01:12 GMT
> > This is a great topic.
> > Whole balanced natural foods that contain all of the ingredients that
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> (and for further clarification, a poor habit is not one that a nun
> through in the garbage can) - ha!

This is a good question.
Although my practice was mainly surgery, I did see many patients, upon
taking a history, that reported a history of bruxism (grinding the
teeth)

Some patients did not seem to have any underlying cause for their
grinding however others reported an increase in grinding under
stressful conditions. Often these patients would grind their teeth at
night as opposed to the daytime and were told by their spouse or
another family member that they were grinding (The grinding can be
quite loud)

Not being a psychiatrist or psychologist I cannot offer en axpert
opinion on the psychological component of this condition but certainly
observation has shown that increased stress levels in some individuals
lead to an increasein grinding.

I do believe that  increase in stress and the ever increasing pace of
our lives, coupled with a subsequent decrease in "down" time and
relaxtion has led to an increase in tooth grinding as well as a host
of other sress related diseases.

The grinding can be quite destructive not only wearing the teeth but
also damaging the TMJ and associated musculature. causing a host of
local as well as referred pain symptoms.

We could use a dose of kindness and empathy for others injected into
our society that may make the world a less stressful and more pleasant
place to live. This in itself would reduce health care costs due to
stress related ailments.
Bee - 20 Apr 2008 02:43 GMT
> We could use a dose of kindness and empathy for others injected into
> our society that may make the world a less stressful and more pleasant
> place to live. This in itself would reduce health care costs due to
> stress related ailments.

Amen to that!
drceephd@insightbb.com - 20 Apr 2008 15:36 GMT
> I found this website to be of interest:
>
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> getting nutrients out of food,
> the discussion turned to the dehydration factor as well.

> Our society seems to be too much in a hurry. Maybe it is time to slow
> down and smell the roses, or at least enjoy the meal!

Two things come to mind.

First, if the nutrients are not in the soil, they cannot be in the
plants grown in that soil.  If the nutrients are not in the plant,
they cannot be available for any creature that eats that plant.
Therefore, regardless of how you may prepare a food, or chew the food,
if a nutrient is not in the food, you will become deficient in that
nutrient.  That is the whole purpose of supplementing. That is,  to
provide some assurace that your need for vitamins, minerals, and other
nutritents are being meant on a daily basis.  The biggest lack I see
is a lack of mineral content, or ash content, in the foods.

Secondly,  Flecherism taught the followers to chew each bite of food
over 20 times in the mouth before swallowing.  A local female, aged
104, claimed that this process was part of her longevity.  The common
uphemism was "if you do not have time to chew and enjoy your food, you
do not have time to eat."  Worked before, and it still works today.
One of the problems is that modern man, living with and irritated and
inflammed stomach, confuses his stomach pain for hunger need.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 20 Apr 2008 18:50 GMT
> First, if the nutrients are not in the soil, they cannot be in the
> plants grown in that soil.  If the nutrients are not in the plant,
> they cannot be available for any creature that eats that plant.

I suspect that you mean elemental nutrients such
as potassium, selenium, etc. and not chemical compounds
such as amino acids.

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