> Last night I was watching an episode of "House." A young man House
> was treating, was suspected of suffering from Mercury in the liver.
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> Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
> alternative medicine regimines?
That's where it comes from. Chelation has been
used for a long time for heavy-metal poisoning
including lead, arsenic, cadmium, and mercury.
It's currently the darling of a number of woo merchants
who somehow get a pass for injecting large amounts of
some very dangerous chemicals [1] into people, including
children, from people who otherwise go ballistic over
administering any other kind of synthetic chemicals.
[1] Chelating agents aren't very selective. They
scavenge calcium, for instance, as well as
lead. Tariq Nadama appears to have died from
chelation-induced hypocalcemia, for instance.
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+--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+
> Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
> alternative medicine regimines?
Of course it is.
I think the difference between conventional and alternative chelation
is alternative uses a safer way of chelating heavy metals.
Do you remember the child that died from chelation, They used
conventional chelation using EDTA which pulls calcium from the body,
which is what killed the child. Chelation therapy is dangerous if you
dont know what you are doing. They do have EDTA now that contains
calcium. That is the ONLY kind that should ever be used when treating
heavy metal toxicity.
Chelation should never be done on any person if they have mercury
fillings as this pulls mercury from the fillings into the body. No
doctor that has knowledge of heavy metal chelation will chelate a
person if they have amalgams.
DMSA pulls mercury out of the body slowly but safer than EDTA, ALA
pulls mercury from the brain, From what I have been told ALA is the
only thing that will cross the blood brain barrier to pull mercury
out. Than with the DMSA it rids the mercury from the body. But even
with this, you need to supplement nutrition as chelation pulls the
good out of the body as well.
> Last night I was watching an episode of "House." A young man House
> was treating, was suspected of suffering from Mercury in the liver.
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> Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
> alternative medicine regimines?
D. C. Sessions - 19 Apr 2008 15:58 GMT
>> Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
>> alternative medicine regimines?
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> calcium. That is the ONLY kind that should ever be used when treating
> heavy metal toxicity.
All you get by adding calcium to EDTA is bound EDTA.
That's what it does. I agree that it's much safer for
treating children with autism, but that's because it
doesn't do anything.
> Chelation should never be done on any person if they have mercury
> fillings as this pulls mercury from the fillings into the body. No
> doctor that has knowledge of heavy metal chelation will chelate a
> person if they have amalgams.
Sorry, it's chemistry and not magic. There's no
connection between the bloodstream (where EDTA goes)
and the fillings in your teeth; it's not some magical
relationship where the EDTA "pulls" anything.
Think a moment -- if EDTA could "pull" stuff from your
body without being in molecular contact, THERE WOULD
BE NO NEED TO INJECT IT. Just hold a bottle of the
stuff.
Hmmm -- maybe I should patent that particular bit of
woo. It could be profitable.
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The One True Zhen Jue - 19 Apr 2008 16:45 GMT
> In message <04332e84-a2fb-440e-a307-d0a8a5cff...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote:
>
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> Hmmm -- maybe I should patent that particular bit of
> woo. It could be profitable.
Oh, no you don't! I've already submitted mine along with the
perpetual motion machine that powers it!
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Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2008 18:19 GMT
> In message <04332e84-a2fb-440e-a307-d0a8a5cff...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote:
>
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> Hmmm -- maybe I should patent that particular bit of
> woo. It could be profitable.
Sounds homeopathic.
Mark Probert - 19 Apr 2008 18:18 GMT
> > Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
> > alternative medicine regimines?
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> I think the difference between conventional and alternative chelation
> is alternative uses a safer way of chelating heavy metals.
Tell that to Dr. Roy Kerry of Pennsylvania.
> Do you remember the child that died from chelation, They used
> conventional chelation using EDTA which pulls calcium from the body,
> which is what killed the child.
Not quite. Kerry used the incorrect chelating agent because the
protocol he was following said to use it. He also did it by IV push,
whiich caused a rapid drop in serum Calcium, thus killing the child.
The fundamental flaw, however, is that there is no proof that
chelation does diddly squat for autism. It is pushed by a bevy of
questionable quacks, mostly those with no medical training what-so-
ever.
Chelation therapy is dangerous if you
> dont know what you are doing. They do have EDTA now that contains
> calcium. That is the ONLY kind that should ever be used when treating
> heavy metal toxicity.
>
> Chelation should never be done on any person if they have mercury
> fillings as this pulls mercury from the fillings into the body.
Incorrect.
No
> doctor that has knowledge of heavy metal chelation will chelate a
> person if they have amalgams.
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> with this, you need to supplement nutrition as chelation pulls the
> good out of the body as well.
The other thing that chelation for autism does is pul lmoney from the
parents wallet for no good reason.
> > Last night I was watching an episode of "House." A young man House
> > was treating, was suspected of suffering from Mercury in the liver.
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> Last night I was watching an episode of "House." A young man House
> was treating, was suspected of suffering from Mercury in the liver.
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> Is heavy metal chelation used in conventional medicine, as well as
> alternative medicine regimines?
Yes it is Myrl. Here's a bit more information on the subject matter.
I was prescribed DMSA by Kaiser Permanente.
Believe it or not, the medical industry would do well to chelate
individuals ----DMSA is not cheap for example. You will get some anti-
alternative "flamers" that will disagree with me completely, but I
highly doubt that they have personal experience in the chelating.
Cilantro is a natural chelator. MSM is called the poor man's
chelator. I've only heard of a couple of cases where someone
actually died for chelation therapy---have you ever heard of anyone
dying from prescription drugs? Case in point. It happens on both
sides of the fence. Ask someone that has ever had lead poisoning
what being chelated did for them. Talk about getting the lead
out!! <ha>
http://www.drshrader.com/new_page_4.htm
D. C. Sessions - 20 Apr 2008 15:09 GMT
> Believe it or not, the medical industry would do well to chelate
> individuals ----DMSA is not cheap for example.
Doesn't that rather contradict the tribal wisdom on MHA
that "conventional medicine" pushes unnecessary and
expensive drugs on people?
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Bee - 20 Apr 2008 16:12 GMT
> Doesn't that rather contradict the tribal wisdom on MHA
> that "conventional medicine" pushes unnecessary and
> expensive drugs on people?
Believe it or not --that tribal wisdom does not hold true for
everyone. Being a smart consumer regardless of what side of the fence
you happen to be on -- or if you are sitting on the middle line--
embracing both sides.
When you put a 'brand" on people that post in newsgroups
there are various levels of interest --then you assume that
all people that post in those newsgroups for health care
choices are part of that "branding." That's when people get
themselves in trouble. Then you have the group of individuals
that are conservatives. Go to both fountains
of information and make the best possible decision by working
with their health care providers. Then you have those that
believe only alternative health care works, and will accept
nothing else.
This branding of "alties" does not fit well here. You have many
individuals that do not support 100% of any given practice.
What you do have are people that are interested in hearing about
alternative based health care treatments available.
That's why I liked Dr. Rea when I read his CV (and I still have it)
and discovered he was not 100% alternative healthcare, BEFORE
making a decision to fly to Texas for treatments. I also checked out
his credentials BEFORE I went. His staff gladly faxed me the
information.
Whenever I make a decision to go to a doctor or not go to a doctor, I
check
them out before I go. I ask for their credentials, if they do not
willing cough them
up or balk about it, I ask "why, what are you hiding?"
Most consumers don't think to ask for credentials before seeing a
doctor or being
referred to a specialist by their preferred provider within a group.
A friend was being referred
a specialist for her diabetes a number of years ago and I said, did
you check out his credentials?
She said, "no," and I asked, her "why?" So on her next appointment,
she asked for a copy of his
C.V. and his nurse balked at giving them to her. So, I gave her the
ammo--for the retort in advance, then she
asked her, "Would you buy a used car without looking under the
hood?" The doctor who she was
referred to as a 'specialist,' was no more a specialist in diabetes
care than her primary care physician.
What actually took place was that her primary physician was downsizing
his patient load and referred
her on a "specialist," that was indeed not a specialist. Would that
not be easier to admit that you were downsizing your patient load, and
another doctor was taking part of your practice?
You wonder why traditional medicine gets a bad rap? It is because the
so-called "specialists" may not be really
specialists. It was like when Kaiser sent to the Allergy doctor on
staff to assist with my sensitivity issues,
and he did not know about chemical sensitivities, and he flat out told
me he didn't, and that he had never studied
the effects of chemicals on anyone or anything, and that he did not
have the expertise. That's why I had to laugh
about the bozo that Nightline showed when they aired their attack on
Dr.Rea, and the EHC-Dallas. The "Khan"
artist was just that, trying to con the public with the help of the
media because he did not have the expertise or
experience with chemicals Why not just admit he didn't have the
expertise instead of attempting to fool the public?
The injecting people with jet fuel was another laugh towards
traditional medicine aimed at the IQ of the individuals
that probably watch that show.
Dr. Rea doesn't force the skin prick tests on anyone. Consumers at
the clinic get to pick and choose what they want or do not want to be
tested for or what kind of treatments they want. He is also not an
alternative only doctor. That's why it makes for humorous reading
around here when all of the usual suspects have jumped on the
bandwagon about the "injecting of jet fuel," onto his patients. None
of you, have any personal experience at the clinic -- and would appear
not to have any real personal experience about the manner in which his
treatment protocol works. But you are sure to be quick when jumping
on that old bandwagon against him. Makes me wonder where the
information came from?
So, before you go branding people, and calling them "alties" when in
fact, they are not 100% alternative treatment users,
think about what they might have personal experience in, what they
believe in, and how they came about to form their opinion. I do not
share the same opinions as everyone here.
Thank you for your question.