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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / April 2008Formaldehyde Still With Us - Still a Health Hazard!
In 1987, the USA Environmental Protection Agency listed formaldehyde as a possible human carcinogen. And yet, there are still products manufactured with the chemical, and plenty of human contact with the dangerous substance. Preliminary results now show that this common environmental chemical may increase the risk of developing amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease. This research was presented at the American Academy of Neurology Annual Meeting in Chicago, April 12–19, 2008. Over one million people were asked to report their exposure to 12 types of chemicals. The participants were followed for 15 years, and the number of people who died during that time of ALS was tracked. A total of 617 men and 539 women died from ALS during the study. Researchers found no significant link between ALS and exposure to most chemicals, including pesticides and herbicides. However, those who reported that they had regular exposure to formaldehyde were 34 percent MORE LIKELY to develop ALS than those with no exposure to formaldehyde. “People with longer exposure to formaldehyde had a greater risk of developing ALS than those with shorter exposures,” said study author Marc Weisskopf, PhD, of Harvard University in Boston. “People who reported 10 or more years of exposure were almost four times as likely to develop ALS as those with no exposure.” He continued by saying that “This finding was somewhat surprising, because formaldehyde has not been raised as an issue in ALS before." Formaldehyde is used in particle board and other wood products, permanent press fabrics, glues, and other household products, such as cosmetics and shampoo. It is also used as a preservative in medical laboratories and mortuaries, and as an industrial disinfectant. Dave Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/ Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. Ive been thinking.... The scientist look at say... formaldehyde in its connection with diseases such as ALS. We all know that our bodies are subject to hundreds of different chemicals, Can you imagine if the scientist study the effect of all of these chemicals at once on the human body. It should be looked into. > In 1987, the USA Environmental Protection Agency listed formaldehyde > as a possible human carcinogen. And yet, there are still products [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Full text article above extracted fromhttp://shamvswham.blogspot.com/ >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >It should be looked into. It's mathematically impossible to look at that many combinations. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan >> In 1987, the USA Environmental Protection Agency listed formaldehyde >> as a possible human carcinogen. And yet, there are still products [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Full text article above extracted fromhttp://shamvswham.blogspot.com/ > It's mathematically impossible to look at that many combinations. Of course -- that's the point. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. So do pears -- and in much greater amounts. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. Oranges contain formaldehyde. Scurvy is a terrible disease.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. > > Oranges contain formaldehyde. Scurvy is a terrible disease. ********* Apparently, YOU have never seen a person with ALS. Its the most horrific disease known to man. And let me tell you, Peter....I thought I have seen the worst of the worst. Id rather have cancer and AIDS at the same time than to have ALS! > >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Apparently, YOU have never seen a person with ALS. Its the most > horrific disease known to man. And let me tell you, Peter....I thought > I have seen the worst of the worst. We are all quite familiar with Professor Hawking. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > > >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Apparently, YOU have never seen a person with ALS. Its the most > horrific disease known to man. I have seen a person with ALS. In fact, an orthopedic surgeon I know went from doing surgery to the grave in six months due to ALS. And let me tell you, Peter....I thought > I have seen the worst of the worst. Nah...ALS, while pretty bad, is nothing compared to such diseases as Tay-Scahs, Y. Pestis, Tetanus, Iron Lung Polio, and lots of others. > Id rather have cancer and AIDS at the same time than to have ALS! So would I. Why? Because modern medicine can do something about the former, and nothing about the latter. > So would I. Why? Because modern medicine can do something about the > former, and nothing about the latter. I have mixed feelings on that front. Hawking, after all, has lived with it for forty-plus years. Then again, I don't pretend to have his ability to live inside my skull. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <11c478b6-260b-4f90-9f28-145c1cc77...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has lived with it for forty-plus years. Then again, I > don't pretend to have his ability to live inside my skull. From my understanding, Hawking is quite unusual in his longevity. YS just gave me Tuesday with Morrie to read. Morrie has ALS. >> >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Id rather have cancer and AIDS at the same time than to have ALS! Then don't eat beetroot. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com You guys ,the three of you, Mark, D.C and Peter, are now on permanent ignore for being so stupid. Mark gets the medal for being the most stupid, with a close tie between D.C and Peter! > >> >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > You guys ,the three of you, Mark, D.C and Peter, are now on permanent > ignore for being so stupid. > > Mark gets the medal for being the most stupid, with a close tie > between D.C and Peter! So much for constructive discussion. Bring in some simple (easy to objectively verify) facts that have nothing to do with the usual "pharmashill" accusations and the response is, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!" Now would someone please remind the group again what the idea is supposed to be here? >> >> >Vaccines contain formaldehyde. ALS is a terrible disease. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au >> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ Mark wants to argue that Polio is more horrific than ALS, Come on D.C. You are smart enough to know that Im not going to argue over such a stupid remark as that! And, Im supposed to agree with you on if formaldehyde is really found naturally in foods, When we ALL know that its been added to herbicides and pesticides and fertilizers for years and years. Is there any land in our great country that hasn't been poisoned? Yeah, I want government controlled health care, Because when the government starts paying the bill for ALL these diseases, than maybe we will see some control on these chemical companies. > In message <9aa2544c-02ce-4a0e-8ed4-2189be855...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Mark wants to argue that Polio is more horrific than ALS, Come on D.C. > You are smart enough to know that Im not going to argue over such a > stupid remark as that! Hardly "stupid" unless "stupid" is anything that doesn't agree with you. Polio not only paralyzes and kills, it is communicable -- which means it doesn't stop with one person. Perrsonally, I'm inclined to agree that ALS is the worse of the two, but I'm not so arrogant as to claim that mine is the only rational way of seeing it. > And, Im supposed to agree with you on if formaldehyde is really found > naturally in foods, When we ALL know that its been added to herbicides > and pesticides and fertilizers for years and years. Is there any land > in our great country that hasn't been poisoned? I suggested that you don't need to take my word for it, there are plenty of sources of organic foods and people who can either do the test or teach you to do it yourself. > Yeah, I want government controlled health care, Because when the > government starts paying the bill for ALL these diseases, than maybe > we will see some control on these chemical companies. Or not. Keep in mind that the USA isn't the only country on the planet, and most of the others *do* pay for the health care of their citizens. I haven't noticed that they're banning the things you object to. >> In message <9aa2544c-02ce-4a0e-8ed4-2189be855...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Kevysmom wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In 1987, the USA Environmental Protection Agency listed formaldehyde > as a possible human carcinogen. And yet, there are still products [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > cosmetics and shampoo. It is also used as a preservative in medical > laboratories and mortuaries, and as an industrial disinfectant. Foods rich in formaldehyde: beetroot (35 mg/kg) pears (38-60 mg/kg) apples (6-22 mg/kg) kohlrabi (31 mg/kg) Most of the original source articles are pay-to-read, but some summary data is here: http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/programme_rafs_fa_02_09.html | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! Is it found naturally in foods, Who was it added!? Animal nutrition and agriculture In animal nutrition, formaldehyde may be added to feed to protect dietary protein from deamination by ruminal microorganisms in ruminants. In the USA, formaldehyde is used as a food additive, to improve the handling characteristics of animal fat and oilseed cattle food mixtures, by producing a dry free-flowing product. Urea-formaldehyde fertilizer is used in farming, as a source of nitrogen, to improve the biological activity of the soil. There is some natural formaldehyde in raw food, levels ranging from 1 to 90 mg/kg. Accidental contamination of food may occur during fumigation. Pharmaceutical products Products containing formaldehyde are now rarely used for disinfecting the skin and mucous membranes, but formaldehyde may be added to some pharmaceutical products as a preservative. Formaldehyde kills viruses, bacteria, fungi, and parasites, and has found wide use as a fumigant. It is a disinfectant with a broad efficiency, and its virucidal properties make it extremely useful for disinfection in the clinical field. Root canal-filling sealants containing paraformaldehyde are used in dental surgery. http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg057.htm > In message <999bf5d7-8f06-4a5b-a750-5ff8c8061...@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Dave wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Is it found naturally in foods, Who was it added!? [...] > There is some natural formaldehyde in raw food, levels ranging from > 1 to 90 mg/kg. Accidental contamination of food may occur during > fumigation. Glad to answer your question :-) As one food scientist put it, "there's stuff in the produce isle that would be illegal in a building supply store." | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ >You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! > >Is it found naturally in foods, Yes. > Who was it added!? God added it. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Is it found naturally in foods, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > God added it. Is it REALLY naturally found, Or is this what we are told? We do know that its used in herbicides and fertilizers...So can we conclude that its NOT naturally found in foods?? I dont believe God would put someting as toxic as formaldehyde in our foods. Sorry, I am not buying that one. > >You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> >Is it found naturally in foods, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that its used in herbicides and fertilizers...So can we conclude that > its NOT naturally found in foods?? In any conflict between facts and a deeply-held set of beliefs, facts don't stand a chance. However, since you don't believe the literature from all over the world, you do have the chance to find out for yourself. Take a freshly-dug organic beetroot or a fresh picked organic pear. Go to any halfway well-equipped chemical lab that does building material assays and have them test it for formaldehyde content; watch while they do it so you can be sure of the procedure. In principle, you could do it in a high-school chem lab but learning how might take a while. > I dont believe God would put someting as toxic as formaldehyde in our > foods. Sorry, I am not buying that one. Albert, stop telling God what to do. I can see several ways out of this conflict. You could, of course, simply refuse to accept the facts. This will be easier if you avoid any chance of verifying them. You could accept that formaldehyde is a normal organic chemical that is produced by lots of biological processes, including your own liver when metabolizing fruit juice. You could revise your theology to accept a broader concept of Creation. There may be others. Your choice. >> >You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au >> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > > >Is it found naturally in foods, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is it REALLY naturally found, YES! And it is the by-product of digestion. > Or is this what we are told? We do know > that its used in herbicides and fertilizers...So can we conclude that > its NOT naturally found in foods?? No, only a moron who denies reality can do that. > I dont believe God would put someting as toxic as formaldehyde in our > foods. Sorry, I am not buying that one. G-d created formaldehyde, botulism, aflatoxin, poisonous snakes, belladonna, etc. Do you see that your argument is, shall we say, faulty? I know you wont't >>>Is it found naturally in foods, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I dont believe God would put someting as toxic as formaldehyde in our > foods. Sorry, I am not buying that one. If God puts all kinds of natural disasters into the areas we inhabit--for example, earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, drought--killing millions of us each year, why would putting a little formaldehyde in the food we eat be beyond Him? Nancy Unique, like everyone else >>>>Is it found naturally in foods, >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Nancy > Unique, like everyone else Why do you blame God? >> >Is it found naturally in foods, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Is it REALLY naturally found, Yes. > Or is this what we are told? We do know >that its used in herbicides and fertilizers...So can we conclude that >its NOT naturally found in foods?? >I dont believe God would put someting as toxic as formaldehyde in our >foods. Sorry, I am not buying that one. Do you believe God put ricin in castor oil seeds? Do you believe that God put oxalic acid in rhubarb? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com "Peter Bowditch"wrote: > God added it. Glad to see Peter admits he believes in God. > You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! That is far better than not having a clue about anything. DCS did not mention, but I will, that it is also a by-product of digestion. Thus, fruits and other safe foods are the source of more formaldehyde than vaccines. > Is it found naturally in foods, Who was it added!? Who was not added. It occurs NATURALLY, not by addition, in foods fits for human (you do know what that means?) consumption.. > Animal nutrition and agriculture Not relevant, thus snipped. On Apr 18, 9:48 pm, Kevysmom <bluebun...@gmail.com> wrote: > You have an answer for everything, Dontcha D.C! That is far better than not having a clue about anything. DCS did not mention, but I will, that it is also a by-product of digestion. Thus, fruits and other safe foods are the source of more formaldehyde than vaccines. http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/vaccines_ingredients_mercury_aspartame_ etc.htm http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm Aspartame carcinogenicity via its methanol (formaldehyde, formic acid) posted by Rich Murray MA on 26 Dec 2005 at 5:01 am aspartame carcinogenicity via its methanol (formaldehyde, formic acid): Murray 2005.12.25 Sunday, December 25, 2005 Any unsuspected source of methanol, which the body always quickly and largely turns into formaldehyde and then formic acid, must be monitored, especially for high responsibility occupations, often with night shifts, such as pilots and nuclear reactor operators. In particular, the next review gives many recent mainstream peer-reviewed studies that show formaldehyde, always inevitably derived in the body from any methanol source, including aspartame, causes endothelial injury, ie, diabetic neuropathy -- among the most serious and complex complications of diabetes. groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1263 many studies on endothelial injury (diabetic neuropathy) by adducts of formaldehyde derived from methylamine from many of the same sources as also supply methanol (formaldehyde), including aspartame: PH Yu et al: DJ Conklin et al: Murray 2005.12.04 groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1237 ubiquitous potent uncontrolled co-factors in nutrition research are formaldehyde from wood and tobacco smoke and many sources, including from methanol in dark wines and liquors, in pectins in fruits and vegetables, and in aspartame: Murray 2005.12.25 groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1250 aspartame causes cancer in rats at levels approved for humans, Morando Soffritti et al, Ramazzini Foundation, Italy & National Toxicology Program of National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences 2005.11.17 Env. Health Pers. 35 pages: Murray groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1271 combining aspartame and quinoline yellow, or MSG and brilliant blue, harms nerve cells, eminent C. Vyvyan Howard et al, 2005 education.guardian.co.uk, Felicity Lawrence: Murray 2005.12.21 As a medical layman, I suggest that evidence mandates immediate exploration of the role of these ubiquitious, potent formaldehyde sources as co-factors in epidemiology, research, diagnosis, and treatment in a wide variety of disorders. Folic acid, from fruits and vegetables, plays a role by powerfully protecting against methanol (formaldehyde) toxicity. Many common drugs, such as aspirin, interfere with folic acid, as do some mutations in relevant enzymes. The majority of aspartame reactors are female. In mutual service, Rich Murray ******************************************************* "Of course, everyone chooses, as a natural priority, to actively and positively find, quickly share, and act upon the facts about healthy and safe food, drink, and environment." Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmforall@comcast.net 505-501-2298 1943 Otowi Road Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages group with 149 members, 1,270 posts in a public, searchable archive RoomForAll.blogspot.com AspartameNM.blogspot.com Dark wines and liquors, as well as aspartame, provide similar levels of methanol, above 100 mg daily, for long-term heavy users, 2 L daily, about 6 cans. Methanol is inevitably largely turned into formaldehyde, and thence largely into formic acid. It is the major cause of the dreaded symptoms of "next morning" hangover. Fully 11% of aspartame is methanol -- 1,120 mg aspartame in 2 L diet soda, almost six 12-oz cans, gives 123 mg methanol (wood alcohol). If 30% of the methanol is turned into formaldehyde, the amount of formaldehyde, 37 mg, is 18.5 times the USA EPA limit for daily formaldehyde in drinking water, 2.0 mg in 2 L average daily drinking water ******************************************************* http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/youropinions.php?opinionid=7453 http://mbm.net.au/health/worst_additives.htm http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/methanol.html > Is it found naturally in foods, Who was it added!? Who was not added. It occurs NATURALLY, not by addition, in foods fits for human (you do know what that means?) consumption.. > Animal nutrition and agriculture Not relevant, thus snipped. >sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you What a quote from a Pharma Shill! I would expect NOTHING less from you! > In message <999bf5d7-8f06-4a5b-a750-5ff8c8061...@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Dave wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > What a quote from a Pharma Shill! I would expect NOTHING less from > you! True to form. As it happens, the reference is to a personal event of some spiritual significance that has nothing at all to do with pharmaceuticals. However, by all means take it as an opportunity for insult if you wish. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > >sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you > > What a quote from a Pharma Shill! I would expect NOTHING less from > you! sh.t does happen, and sometimes it happens to you. That is a fact oflife, that the blamers do not want to accept. >> >sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sh.t does happen, and sometimes it happens to you. That is a fact > oflife, that the blamers do not want to accept. It sure seems like erev Pesach is a bad time to deny it. Not that there aren't more appropriate ketuvim. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <5246e320-a695-4218-b6d4-b876825cd...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It sure seems like erev Pesach is a bad time to deny it. > Not that there aren't more appropriate ketuvim. True. |
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