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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / April 2008Mark Probert Has Emailed His Brother-In-Law At Homeland Security About a VERY benign email exchange. Very Strange!!!!!
What an incredible Springtime ... http://ilenarose.blogspot.com Here's a question from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal: Whose actions are worse: Dr. Kulacz's for posting an email detailing a very serious threat from Mark S Probert's relative? Or Mark S Probert, being disbarred by the Supreme Court of New York and when faced with the facts on this group, denied, denied, denied, denied it ? ? ? www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm I wanted to share a threat I received a few years ago ... http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/threats.htm Interestingly enough ... although Myrl Jeffcoat has become aligned with and repeats a lopsided version of this woman now, here was her exlanation of this same women written in 2000. http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/plant-myrl.html In 2001 ... Myrl did a 180 degree spin around and now has used this same woman as a mentor. She followed the money ... O'leary and his years of being a silicone manufacturer ... and came against me in a vicious attack, seemingly orchestrated by professional smear campaigners. http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/plant-myrl.html MYRL JEFFCOAT 2000 www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html MYRL JEFFCOAT 2001-2007 After Myrl's spinner ... all of the actions and traits that this woman used against me and others in the support group while working with O'leary (as Myrl explains) ... Myrl changed to blaming & accusing me and supporting O'leary. Here she and Coleah were working hand in hand with O'leary and members of the Snake-oil Vigilantes who were suing me (and losing) ... www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm Myrl seems to equate 'guessing wrong' of who is hiding behind the many masks she & Probert and Polevoy and team don ... with baby rape ... as she applauds her own disgraced Will Ketcher alias that she got busted with and then denied. She goes into haughty rants about my 'history' of guessing wrong ... refusing to see the irony of why I had to guess at all ... and that I was right on busting her and Polevoy & Probert! For a fairly complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that Ilena Rosenthal has installed on her non-profit webspace, while promoting herself as an Internet Rodeo Clown, please visit: A few representative links (as of 4/3/08) which Ilena has attributed in Usenet posts to those she, all by herself, has tagged as "Mine Enemies" (BTW - what kind of a person publicizes that they actually go around naming so many enemies?) * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Wikipedia.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WikiArb1.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WikiArb2.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Peter-Bowditch * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Stephen-Barrett * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Terry-Polevoy * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Gorski * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistProbert.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Mark-Probert * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Paul-Lee * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Robert-Baratz * www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWAtch.htm#Baratz-Lies * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagentsfaq.htm#Brandon-Stahl * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#David-Wright * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Andrew-Kingoff * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Andrew-Kingoff * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Rosalind-Dalefield * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Willa-Nidiffer * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ladyni.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/kingbio.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/threats.htm * http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Vernon * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Thorson * http://drstephenbarrettmd.blogspot.com/2006/02/clone-of-salem-witch-hunter-part- 1.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Matrix.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Crohnie * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Susan-Ferris * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Posse * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WillaNidiffer.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#Nana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/AEI-PNAC.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah-lies.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah-suicidelies.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah-penley-ayers.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/andysposse.htm#Langer&Dowd * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/defamation.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nidiffer * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#Rag-tag * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BarrettsParrot * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#joyce * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#Sharynn * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quack-suppdeclaration.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm#guerrillas * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.htm#WillNOTKetcher * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm#ProbertWasDisbarred * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#PamsScam * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#Rag-TagGuerrillas * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/#LangerDowdMurdock * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#WebofDeceit * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm * http://drstephenbarrettmd.blogspot.com/2006/02/clone-of-salem-witch-hun ter-part-1.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QUACK-QW-HF-ACSH.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropgandistProbert.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah-suicidelies.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html#SiliconeShufflin'Grannie * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm#HusbandDisbarred * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#losesLawLicense * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#BustedAgain * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#CowardBeyondMeasure * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#ProbertLiesAboutDrop pingAOL * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#yahoo * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Myrl.html#Networks * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#DaveyDow * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#MoralsInAbsentia * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BrainsInAbsentia * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#LovesTeddy * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#GoddessofGooglingNana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#JoinedAtHerHipsWithNana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#ServingJunkScientistO'leary * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlGushesOverPlant * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#PlantsStalkingFantasies * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinfoAgents.htm#DragonLiar * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinfoAgents.htm#Skeptic * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#articles * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#SnoopysBack * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#Plantsqueaks * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#PlantPushes * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#BarrettsParrott * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#plant * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#fuzzyandy * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#WrongerThanWright * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Disinfoagents.htm#PlantLiesAgain * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertTheCoward * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#DentalDeityfromSatan * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgentsFAQ.htm#Wrongerthanwright * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingOnlyHimself * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#snoopy&myrltogetheragain * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProbertFoolingHimselfOnly * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#MyrlTheInterrogatorRidesAgain * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ss.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#CrotchFantasies * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/SS.html#ObsessionContinues * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/plant-myrl.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/bernard_patten.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#Moron * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#TantrumThrower * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ObsessedNutter * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentHarasser * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentDictator * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#AnimalPerversions * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.htm#ObsessionContinues * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIdiotDictator * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIgnorantDictator * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm * http://humanticsfoundation.com/coverup.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/patrickoleary.htm * www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PatrickOleary.htm#Coleah * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sbiprivateclub.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrljeffcoatdeclaration.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/nanaweedkiller.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm#Polevoy * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#MyrlJeffcoat > I wanted to share a threat I received a few years ago ... > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > of guessing wrong ... refusing to see the irony of why I had to guess > at all ... and that I was right on busting her and Polevoy & Probert! Believe nothing Myrl Jeffcoat says about me .. unless you love being lied to. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html "Mine Enemies" are based here ... breast implant manufacturer and his chosen "support leaders" ... and Barrett & Polevoy's PR team ... to harass those they were suing, and other acitivists. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/wuackwatchwatch.htm Plus, Coleah & Patrick O'leary & Myrl ... www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/patrickoleary.htm Silicone manufacturer www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html > Believe nothing Myrl Jeffcoat says about me .. unless you love being > lied to. The thing is Ilena, they don't need to believe anything that I say about you. They can just read your own words, and judge for themselves: Now, just incase you need more examples of the loving, caring support work Ilena has done in the name of women harmed by silicone breast implants, the following clippits are from her postings of the past: 1) "YOU DISGUSTING FAT, UGLY PIGFACE"--Ilena Rosenthal sending messages of love thru email to an implant survivor. 2) "That wasn't "love" I was sending to your fellow disgusting fellow Networker friend, [implanted woman] ... the ugliest, most vile creature God ever created, Traitor to the Implanted Women."--Ilena Rosenthal 3) "Previous to telling her to "F*CK OFF" "--Ilena Rosenthal expressing loving thoughts about a breast implant woman. (Scroll down) 4) "The morning I sent her the F*CK off message ..."--Ilena Rosenthal, Director of The Humantics Foundation. 5) "The quotes I did say were not with "love'"--Ilena Rosenthal, Director of The Humantics Foundation. 6) "I believe if more men could fulfill their own sexual needs there would be less sexual predators around."-- Ilena Rosenthal pushing her mentor, Anthony Zaffuto's book, "Solo Male Ecstasy" (A guide to masturbation techniques). 7) ".....while doing a Circle Jerk Congratulations to each other on how smart they are."-- More Ilena Roshenthal thoughts of masturbation techniques. 8) "THE WORSE THING THAT DR DOBKE EVER DID WAS KEEP YOU ALIVE"--Ilena Rosenthal, sensitive and caring director of Humantics Foundation. 9) "One more of these Missives with your lies and i'll call David and the rest of your sons "-- Ilena Rosenthal, in a fit of humanitarianism. 10) "Everyone got to see that you have the fashion sense of a blind, homeless, beggar"--Ilena Rosenthal commenting on the appearance of a breast implant survivor, shortly after Ilena herself, wore the same "flower child" dress for two consecutive days at the Institute of Medicine (IOM) hearings at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington DC. 11) "Your husband has to wake up to you every morning ~ Blech!"--Ilena Rosenthal, in the midst of a tirade with a breast implanted woman. 12) "i never used vulgar language on Trash Talk"--Ilena Rosenthal in the midst of forgetfulness, or having a 'senior' moment. 14) "Place me in the company of those who seek the Truth, and deliver me from those who have found it." -- Ilena Rose(talk.atheism1995) 15) "Thank God I'm an atheist."--IlenaRose 16) "i don't want him, or his a$$ mooning me ~ does she really find this beneficial to the women harmed by implants?"--Ilena Rosenthal in the midst of fantacizing about the husband of a breast implanted woman. 17) "O'Leary too, couldn't control his outbursts about me ... even in the sexual realm."--Ilena Rosenthal believing she is hearing sweet nothings, whispered in her ear. 18) "They both have spouses ... yet they can't stop their obsessions of me."--Ilena Rosenthal enraptured by a spell ofNarcissism. 19) "...they can spend 6 years snooping into my life, making up lies about me, telling everyone I am a fraud and ripping off women I love, posting vast amounts of Propaganda..."--Ilena Rosenthal, Dating services; bar maid; Pepper Spray salesperson; counterfit bill detector salesperson;time share slammer;business partner of Anthony Zaffuto(founder of Calvary Boys Ranch/which became Teens in Trouble/ which became Humantics Foundation), and the author of books & videos, "Solo Male Ecstasy," and/or "The Complete Guide to Oral Lovemaking. 20) "Show the world how brilliant the "Implanted Leaders" better known as Toads on Ritalin are..."IlenaRosenthal,best damned advocate on the planet. 21) "I have never asked a penny for information ... and have provided freely for all ... even to rich bitches who never sent me a penny"-- Ilena Rosenthal, sensitive and caring director of HumanticsFoundation. 22) "calling the SS (Susan Schaezler)"an implant survivor" is like describing Hitler as a vegetarian."--Ilena Rosenthal, sensitive 'self- appointed' advocate for breast implant victims. 23) "sounds like Schaezler / O'Leary donkey feces!"--Ilena Rosenthal, while cleaning out her ears,and attempting to wake up and smell the coffee. 24) "you represent the lowest, most greedy and selfish,bought off mouths for the silicone cartel."--Ilena Rosenthal speaking of breast implant victims who had settled with the manufacturers for low amounts, and had apparently not sent in a portion to answer the pandering needs of Ilena. (No link) 25) "You think that gives you the right to be a nosey porker and meddle in to other people's lives."--Ilena Rosenthal responding to questions about the finances of her Foundation. (No link) 26) "ask for the 90th time ... none of my finances is YOUR busy body business."--Ilena Rosenthal again refusing to answer questions surrounding the finances of her Foundation. 27) "God help the implanted women when they have bought off busy body nosey porkers like Moral Guardian Myrl to lead them."--Ilena Rosenthal in total confusion over what advocacy is all about. 28) "thanks...better than you" implanted support leaders"who show your colours as greedy, selfish, lying, deceitful, Porno Posting Nutcases!"--Ilena Rosenthal smearing all implant support leaders (again), because they continue to read about and post Humantics Foundation,CEO, Anthony Zaffuto's masturbation self-help literature. 29) "You look like another crazy implant woman now"--Ilena Rosenthal enhancing the Nutz&Sluts image of BI women. 30) "you never have had the courtesy of donating even one penny for all my time with you"--Ilena Rosenthal wondering why she gets so few donations. 31) "looking hot & sexy isn't right around these women who are so messed up."--Ilena Rosenthal (Gaia20000) blaming BI women for her dowdy appearance. 32) "I will continue to try to find someone in her family who has some control over her."--Ilena Rosenthal threatens harrassment. 33) "here...thisissomethingyou canrelate to ... filthy websites with augmented women that have EVERYTHING to do with you and Schaezler and NOTHING to do with me or anyone that I know."--Ilena Rosenthal saying "filthy" and "augmented" are connected.(see 1st paragraph) 34) "... may you rot in Hell covered in leaked out silicone for that."--Ilena Rosenthal to an implant survivor.(see 11th paragraph) 35) "Disgusting liar you are."--Ilena Rosenthal(favorite word=Liar) (see 3rd paragraph)< /FONT> 36) " You diot ditz...in your zeal to make more threats against me ... you exposed your Pantie Liners"--More from Ilena Rosenthal posting in her offical capacity of Director of a Non-profit organization. (see post #1) 37) "He makes more in a day than I'll probably ever make in this issue total." Ilena Rosenthal speaks ofher expectation to 'make money'off the siliconebreastimplant issue.(Scroll down 5 paragraphs) 38) "There were many, many, many other women whose lives were very harmed by breast implants who were NOT married, NOT insured, and not so well known ... but Kathi was used because of her association with me in the past ... not because she was the most in need." Ilena Rosenthal belittling Kathi's 'need'and entangling herself as the 'reason' for others helping Kathi. (See post #12) 39) " Calling Myrl Jeffcoat "a implant survivor" is like calling Saddam Hussein a fancy dresser ... "Ilena Rosenthal speaking in her professional and caring voice as an advocate to those harmed by breast implants to a one Ilena calls a "lying, pervert, joined at the hips with crossdressing shill, "Cathy Credulous" (see post #40) Believe nothing Myrl Jeffcoat says about me .. unless you love being lied to. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html "Mine Enemies" are based here ... breast implant manufacturer and his chosen "support leaders" ... and Barrett & Polevoy's PR team ... to harass those they were suing, and other acitivists. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/wuackwatchwatch.htm Plus, Coleah & Patrick O'leary & Myrl ... www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/patrickoleary.htm Silicone manufacturer www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html For a fairly complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that Ilena Rosenthal has installed on her non-profit webspace, while promoting herself as an Internet Rodeo Clown, please visit: A few representative links (as of 4/3/08) which Ilena has attributed in Usenet posts to those she, all by herself, has tagged as "Mine Enemies" (BTW - what kind of a person publicizes that they actually go around naming so many enemies?) * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Wikipedia.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WikiArb1.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WikiArb2.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Peter-Bowditch * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Stephen-Barrett * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Terry-Polevoy * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Gorski * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistProbert.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Mark-Probert * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Paul-Lee * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Robert-Baratz * www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWAtch.htm#Baratz-Lies * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/disinfoagentsfaq.htm#Brandon-Stahl * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#David-Wright * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Andrew-Kingoff * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Andrew-Kingoff * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Rosalind-Dalefield * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Willa-Nidiffer * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/ladyni.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/maan.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/kingbio.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/threats.htm * http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Vernon * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Thorson * http://drstephenbarrettmd.blogspot.com/2006/02/clone-of-salem-witch-h... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Matrix.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Crohnie * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Susan-Ferris * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#Posse * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/WillaNidiffer.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#Nana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/AEI-PNAC.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah-lies.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah-suicidelies.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah-penley-ayers.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/andysposse.htm#Langer&Dowd * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/defamation.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quacklibelsuit.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#nidiffer * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#Rag-tag * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BarrettsParrot * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#joyce * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/KayKnedlik.htm#Sharynn * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quack-suppdeclaration.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm#guerrillas * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.htm#WillNOT... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackbustersVsIlena.htm#ProbertWas... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#PamsScam * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#Rag-TagGuerrillas * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/#LangerDowdMurdock * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/andysposse.htm#WebofDeceit * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm * http://drstephenbarrettmd.blogspot.com/2006/02/clone-of-salem-witch-hun ter-part-1.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QUACK-QW-HF-ACSH.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropgandistProbert.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah-suicidelies.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html#SiliconeShufflin'Grannie * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm#HusbandDisbarred * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#losesLawL... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#BustedAgain * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#CowardBey... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html#ProbertLi... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#yahoo * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Myrl.html#Networks * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#DaveyDow * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#MoralsInAbsentia * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#BrainsInAbsentia * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#LovesTeddy * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#GoddessofGooglingNana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#JoinedAtHerHipsWithNana * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#ServingJunkScientis... * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlGushesOverPlant * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#PlantsStalkingFanta... * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinfoAgents.htm#DragonLiar * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinfoAgents.htm#Skeptic * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#articles * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#SnoopysBack * 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http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.htm#ObsessionContinues * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIdiotDictator * http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BM.html#ImpotentIgnorantDictator * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm * http://humanticsfoundation.com/coverup.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/patrickoleary.htm * www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PatrickOleary.htm#Coleah * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sbiprivateclub.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrljeffcoatdeclaration.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/nanaweedkiller.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm#Polevoy * http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm#MyrlJeffcoat > For a fairly complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that > Ilena Rosenthal has installed on her non-profit webspace, while > promoting herself as an Internet Rodeo Clown, please visit: Myrl, every time you flip all of those web pages -- you are giving the person that made them some attention, and making the rest of us sick. I'm sorry that not each and every one of those web pages was not taken down, but I didn't have the money to pay for their release or I would have. They really need to go down all on their own. A person's website is one thing, that's their own personal website about their beliefs, or their own opinions, but hanging up websites as if they were ribbons from the County Fair just don't make any sense except to the person that believes that they were scorned. I understand why Coleah did not take her site down; I didn't even tell her what the terms were until the other day because I didn't not believe it was real. They are worth nothing, on either side of the fence, and just need to come down. I think it is beyond time for them to come down at no cost to anyone, except one own's time for taking them down. > On Apr 12, 7:00 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> For a fairly complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that > > Ilena Rosenthal has installed on her non-profit webspace, while [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cost > to anyone, except one own's time for taking them down. Thank you for beginning to understand! Debbee, you are implying that Ilena has been asking for money to take down her abusive and libelous pages??? If so, that would be extortion! > On Apr 12, 7:00 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> For a fairly complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that > > Ilena Rosenthal has installed on her non-profit webspace, while [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > them to come down at no cost to anyone, except one own's time > for taking them down. ------------------------------------------ Bee, I have gotten inquiries about your reference to 'terms' so I will address it here. First of all my communication regarding a peace agreement was strictly public, via newsgroup posts. I knew nothing of what Bee and Ilena discussed in emails. Initially, Bee publicly purposed I remove my website and Ilena remove all references to both me and Myrl from her 'sh.t-list' webpages. After a short time only references me were made. I thought that (as Bee suggested) Ilena might become willing to make peace with even more people if she and I could succeed. To demonstrate my willingness, the evening prior to the 4/1 4:00pm deadline I changed my index.html page to say the site was down pending a peace agreement. The next day, I deleted all the pages off my server, except the index.html note. I assumed Ilena had seen my sincerity, because shortly she announced she had removed my name off the coleah.html page. I was actually shocked by her apparent 'enthusiastic cooperation'. As days went on, more pages were discovered with my name. I grew impatient and was amazed that Ilena almost whimpered when she posted that she'd been working as fast as she could. The deadline was long gone, and I quit waiting. See, at first I assumed that, like me, Ilena wanted peace for peace's sake. I had no idea that Ilena had told Bee that she wanted Patrick O'Leary to cancel the Judgment she owes him (with interest, perhaps $20,000) . Nope, it was not 'peace for peace's sake' with Ilena. I believe when Ilena saw I'd taken my website down, she assumed Bee had communicated her demand, and that I had 'agreed'. Thus her new and 'enthusiastic cooperation, all of a sudden. Someone else contacted Ilena, seeking removal of their name also and was told it was going to cost money, or else (as a hint of 'worst things to come'). So much for 'peace'. >> On Apr 12, 7:00 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:> For a fairly >> complete list of abusive and libelous webpages, that [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > was told it was going to cost money, or else (as a hint of 'worst > things to come'). So much for 'peace'. Coleah, I understand your frustration, but you have a lot more important things going on right now with your family, so I hope that others respect that you have hospitalized kin and let you have some peace here. Bee...I don't know you, but I would like to ask, what did you mean by this: " I'm sorry that not each and every one of those web pages > was not taken down, but I didn't have the money to pay for their > release or I would have." It almost sounds as if you are implying that you PAID to have something removed from the Humantics site. Please clarify. Thank you. There is some interesting material about what constitutes extortion available on the net. I found the following on Findlaw. Take particular attention to #522 and #527 on this page. Also, apparently money does not actually need to be paid in order for extortion to occur. The mere attempt to extract money can be deemed extortion: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/518-527.html 518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer,induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right. 519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by athreat, either: 1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the individual threatened or of a third person; or, 2. To accuse the individual threatened, or any relative of his, or member of his family, of any crime; or, 3. To expose, or to impute to him or them any deformity, disgrace or crime; or, 4. To expose any secret affecting him or them. 520. Every person who extorts any money or other property from another, under circumstances not amounting to robbery or carjacking, by means of force, or any threat, such as is mentioned in Section 519, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years. 521. Every person who commits any extortion under color of official right, in cases for which a different punishment is not prescribed in this Code, is guilty of a misdemeanor. 522. Every person who, by any extortionate means, obtains from another his signature to any paper or instrument, whereby, if such signature were freely given, any property would be transferred, or any debt, demand, charge, or right of action created, is punishable in the same manner as if the actual delivery of such debt, demand, charge, or right of action were obtained. 523. Every person who, with intent to extort any money or other property from another, sends or delivers to any person any letter or other writing, whether subscribed or not, expressing or implying, or adapted to imply, any threat such as is specified in Section 519, is punishable in the same manner as if such money or property were actually obtained by means of such threat. 524. Every person who attempts, by means of any threat, such as is specified in Section 519 of this code, to extort money or other property from another is punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not longer than one year or in the state prison or by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both such fine and imprisonment. 525. Upon conviction of a felony violation under this chapter, the fact that the victim was an elder or dependent person, as defined in Section 288, shall be considered a circumstance in aggravation whenimposing a term under subdivision (b) of Section 1170. 526. Any person, who, with intent to obtain from another person any money, article of personal property or other thing of value, delivers or causes to be delivered to the other person any paper, document or written, typed or printed form purporting to be an order or other process of a court, or designed or calculated by its writing, typing or printing, or the arrangement thereof, to cause or lead the other person to believe it to be an order or other process of a court, when in fact such paper, document or written, typed or printed form is not an order or process of a court, is guilty of a misdemeanor, and each separate delivery of any paper, document or written, typed or printed form shall constitute a separate offense. 527. Any person who shall sell or offer for sale, print, publish, or distribute any paper, document or written, typed or printed form, designed or calculated by its writing, typing or printing, or the arrangement thereof, to cause or lead any person to believe it to be, or that it will be used as an order or other process of a court when in fact such paper, document or written, typed or printed form is not to be used as the order or process of a court, is guilty of a misdemeanor, and each separate publication, printing, distribution, sale or offer to sell any such paper, document or written, typed or printed form shall constitute a separate offense, and upon conviction thereof in addition to any other sentence imposed the court may order that all such papers or documents or written, typed or printed forms in the possession or under the control of the person found guilty of such misdemeanor shall be delivered to such court or the clerk thereof for destruction. This webpage provides even more insight into what is considered extortion: http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/extortion.html Extortion Extortion is a criminal offence whereby an individual obtains money, goods and services, or desired behavior from another by wrongfully threatening or inflicting harm to his person, property, or reputation. Extortion is a different criminal offense than robbery, whereby an offender steals property through force. Instead, the property gained though extortion is handed over to avoid threatened force or other harm. Extortion involves the victim's consent, but the way in which it is gained is unlawful, and therefore the entire act is considered a crime. Extortion is often considered a white collar crime because it is committed in a business or other professional setting. Public officials may be coerced into committing an official act because of extortion. Business professionals may behave in a certain way against their will because of extortion. In these cases, the victim is committing such acts as a direct result of fear or force. A government official may commit extortion by demanding, in his official capacity, any property or money not legally owed to him. A law enforcement officer commits extortion when s/he makes a corrupt arrest and demands money or property under the pretense of official duty. These latter two examples are cases of extortion involving the abuse of authority of office. Blackmail is a common method of extortion. Blackmail is extortion by threatening another person's or organization's reputation with the disclosure of information that would be damaging to that party if released. This incriminating information may be true or false. The actual disclosure of this information does not have to be criminal, nor does the offender have to actually receive money, property, or other benefits for the act to be considered extortion. The act is extortion because the individual demands money, property, or other considerations in exchange for non-disclosure of this information. Ransom is another type of extortion. Ransom is extortion whereby the offender demands money, property, or other conditions for the release of a captive. Random is also an exchange or buy back that is done under threat. Individuals may be kidnapped for the purpose of receiving a ransom for their release. Kidnapping and extortion are often committed to gain trade secrets, make political or social comments, or for financial gain. Bribery is another type of extortion. Bribery is extortion that involves offering something of value to a person in a position of trust, who in return violates his or her duty or the law in order to benefit the giver. To be considered extortion, bribery must be done under fear or force. When a person is charged with extortion it is often considered a felony crime punishable by incarceration, heavy fines, and more. The federal government and all fifty states have laws regarding extortion. The penalty for extortion will depend on the nature of the offence and the jurisdiction where the case is heard. If you would like to learn more about extortion, please contact us to speak with a qualified and experienced criminal defense attorney who can evaluate your case to determine your legal rights and options. > It almost sounds as if you are implying that you PAID to have something > removed from the Humantics site. > Please clarify. > > Thank you. I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the women that are breast implant survivors---it would appear that the Humantics Foundation website is much more than helping women who have had problems with their breast implants, and offering support. One is never going to be "best friends" with everyone they meet in life, nor are they going to share the same opinions -- we are all human, simple as that. I'd love to see the webpages come down that absolutely have nothing to do with breast implant survivors --- I always check into a non profit thoroughly before making the decision to support the movement either through donation or as a volunteer. I did some volunteer work a couple of weeks ago and I did not check out the organization first. But as I told the person that I helped -- all you got to do is tell the truth, no need to panic, just be aware, and be truthful. What I really dislike is to see web pages which have nothing to do with the mission of the non profit itself but have to do with the personal opinion of the person that is doing the website. According to the State of California a man by the name of Dr. Angelo A. Zuffato is the registered agent, and at the same address in Oceanside is where the main office is according to the State of California's corporation page. That address is a mobile home park in Oceanside, CA. I do not see his 80+ year old man running the corporation from his mobile home park and putting up websites about people he does not even know. These web pages in my humble opinion are the problem of discontent in these newsgroups. This is why I suggested peace in the first place. How many more years of Myrl was attacked by a killer frog, or Marla Maples Does Mexico are we going to see? What good does it accomplish? All it does is to continue down the same road of obsessive compulsive, ---liar, liar, pants on fire. It's time to get out of the third grade and go on with life. . My entire point in negotiating peace was to stop the flow of toxic waste words---Coleah had agreed, and her site was down, and we were simply waiting on Ilena. Only websites with Coleah's name in them still appeared. And every one and their brother were standing in line -- thinking about themselves wanting their page down too immediately. I don't know if it was meant as a joke or not, but no one should be paying anyone to remove them----giving up one's "freedom of speech" pages personality pages isn't about giving up your right to free speech -- it is all about being adult enough to realize that this is the right thing to do in the name and goodness of the organization's mission statement. He said she said they said, we said......hearsay....it is gossip at its best. And it says miles about the women who have suffered the actual breast implant damage --- that's why they all need to come down. I find it insulting to those that have suffered. And all of the other characters, real or imagined, they need to come down. it's quite simple-its cheaper to maintain -- and if in fact the Humantics Foundation was founded to help the woman breast implant survivors with their cause -- it would certainly look better in the public viewpoint to just see breast implant support than pages of poop, and the same goes for the Ilena dot rosenthal or whatever dot com....And those that really want to help support the cause, can see that it is not industry supported in any way (it's hard to tell from looking at the website), and make the decision to donate or not to donate without having to look through public records to see if the organization is adhering to it's mission statement. I hope this clarifies your request. B. > > It almost sounds as if you are implying that you PAID to have something > > removed from the Humantics site. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > B. I did not write this. (But I wish I did). > > > It almost sounds as if you are implying that you PAID to have something > > > removed from the Humantics site. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My offer stands. My website and all the sh.t-list webpages, and no more mentioning anyone who was on any of it. Clean slate. No expectations of money greasing palms for peace. I would hope future posts will focus on principles, issues, information and not on personalities or character opinions. On Apr 13, 10:34 pm, "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > It almost sounds as if you are implying that you PAID to have something > removed from the Humantics site. > Please clarify. > > Thank you. I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the women that are breast implant survivors---it would appear that the Humantics Foundation website is much more than helping women who have had problems with their breast implants, and offering support. One is never going to be "best friends" with everyone they meet in life, nor are they going to share the same opinions -- we are all human, simple as that. I'd love to see the webpages come down that absolutely have nothing to do with breast implant survivors --- I always check into a non profit thoroughly before making the decision to support the movement either through donation or as a volunteer. I did some volunteer work a couple of weeks ago and I did not check out the organization first. But as I told the person that I helped -- all you got to do is tell the truth, no need to panic, just be aware, and be truthful. What I really dislike is to see web pages which have nothing to do with the mission of the non profit itself but have to do with the personal opinion of the person that is doing the website. According to the State of California a man by the name of Dr. Angelo A. Zuffato is the registered agent, and at the same address in Oceanside is where the main office is according to the State of California's corporation page. That address is a mobile home park in Oceanside, CA. I do not see his 80+ year old man running the corporation from his mobile home park and putting up websites about people he does not even know. These web pages in my humble opinion are the problem of discontent in these newsgroups. This is why I suggested peace in the first place. How many more years of Myrl was attacked by a killer frog, or Marla Maples Does Mexico are we going to see? What good does it accomplish? All it does is to continue down the same road of obsessive compulsive, ---liar, liar, pants on fire. It's time to get out of the third grade and go on with life. . My entire point in negotiating peace was to stop the flow of toxic waste words---Coleah had agreed, and her site was down, and we were simply waiting on Ilena. Only websites with Coleah's name in them still appeared. And every one and their brother were standing in line -- thinking about themselves wanting their page down too immediately. I don't know if it was meant as a joke or not, but no one should be paying anyone to remove them----giving up one's "freedom of speech" pages personality pages isn't about giving up your right to free speech -- it is all about being adult enough to realize that this is the right thing to do in the name and goodness of the organization's mission statement. He said she said they said, we said......hearsay....it is gossip at its best. And it says miles about the women who have suffered the actual breast implant damage --- that's why they all need to come down. I find it insulting to those that have suffered. And all of the other characters, real or imagined, they need to come down. it's quite simple-its cheaper to maintain -- and if in fact the Humantics Foundation was founded to help the woman breast implant survivors with their cause -- it would certainly look better in the public viewpoint to just see breast implant support than pages of poop, and the same goes for the Ilena dot rosenthal or whatever dot com....And those that really want to help support the cause, can see that it is not industry supported in any way (it's hard to tell from looking at the website), and make the decision to donate or not to donate without having to look through public records to see if the organization is adhering to it's mission statement. I hope this clarifies your request. B. *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. Thaks for clarifying. > I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the > women that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > going to share the same opinions -- we are all human, simple as > that. http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > I'd love to see the webpages come down that absolutely have nothing to > do with breast implant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > person that I helped -- all you got to do is > tell the truth, no need to panic, just be aware, and be truthful. That's not what you've been telling Kent Wills! > What I really dislike is to see web pages which have nothing to do > with the mission of the non profit > itself but have to do with the personal opinion of the person that is > doing the website. BW > According to the State of California a man by BW > the name of Dr. Angelo A. Zuffato is the BW > registered agent, and at the same address in BW > Oceanside is where the main office is BW > according to the State of California's corporation BW > page. That address is a mobile home park BW > in Oceanside, CA. I do not see [this] 80+ BW > year old man running the corporation from BW > his mobile home park and putting up websites BW > about people he does not even know. I had really forgotten about this newsgroup until Betty said I had accused her of stalking. Upon questioning she referred to Ilena as "a certain person", apparently not daring to mention Ilena's name! LOL Betty never could come up with a LINK to where I had accused her of "stalking". She switched to saying that I had accused her of "harassing" Ilena. It's amusing that I look over here and within just minutes I stumble across this message from Betty, where she is discussing somebody's home address and looking up corporate records. I still have not called Betty a STALKER! LOL More amusing because the whole thing was part of Betty stooging for her buddy who is a Burglary Felon but publicly denies it. (Outing a liar Felon using public records is not stalking.) Ironically Betty's buddy apparently has all of his possessions in a corporation or family trust. sport boats, tiny plane, real estate, cars, etc. Betty is a constant set of DOUBLE STANDARDS, double talk and two faced comments. BW > These web pages in my humble opinion are the BW > problem of discontent in these newsgroups. ... on a Boar! http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > This is why I suggested peace in the first > place. How many more years of Myrl was attacked by a killer frog, or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My entire point in negotiating peace was to stop the flow of toxic > waste words ROFL! > ---Coleah had agreed, and her site was down, and we were > simply waiting on Ilena. Only websites with Coleah's name in them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the right thing to do in the name and goodness of the organization's > mission statement. Betty preaches about being adult! LOL > He said she said they said, we said......hearsay....it is gossip at > its best. And it says miles about the women who have suffered the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. > Thaks for clarifying. > > I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the > > women that [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you rowing with all your oars? You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. Go back in this thread to Betty's actual post: From: "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:40:04 GMT (ALL Betty said was:) *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. Thaks for clarifying. Tough sh.t, Greegor, (or is that really "Egor") if you have a problem with 'clarification'. Get back in the box. On Apr 15, 6:05 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 14, 9:40 am, "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you rowing with all your oars? You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. Go back in this thread to Betty's actual post: From: "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:40:04 GMT (ALL Betty said was:) *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. Thaks for clarifying. Tough sh.t, Greegor, (or is that really "Egor") if you have a problem with 'clarification'. Get back in the box. ****See that? Now he's not just a stlking harasser, he's a lying jackass. Get that other hand back on the keyboard Greg because every time you take it off you make yourself look like a fool! > Are you rowing with all your oars? > You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 Take a look at Betty's post in question and tell me what it means when text has no ">" mark in front of it. If Betty quoted others without using > marks, what does that usually mean? Note, I sometimes quote others without > marks but I post a notice that I am doing do, and sometimes a link/header and ----------- marks to set the text apart. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 Notice the transition as follows: " > Thank you. I am being sarcastic. However"... The first line would NOT be Betty, and the second line WOULD be. How did I read this wrong? Is Betty quoting without appropriate quote marks, and why is that MY fault? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 > > Are you rowing with all your oars? > > You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778... Look Egor, if you had followed the text of the thread you would have known what she was responding to. It is not her posting software's fault that it didn't put in >'s just for you. Jumped all over your tongue with that one.....it is okay to apologize to Betty. On Apr 15, 11:22 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 15, 8:28 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778... Look Egor, if you had followed the text of the thread you would have known what she was responding to. It is not her posting software's fault that it didn't put in >'s just for you. Jumped all over your tongue with that one.....it is okay to apologize to Betty. *****Don't hold your breath! I asked, a few weeks back in ASCPS, what might be causing my newsreaer to not be incluing attributions in my replies. From then on I have started my replies with stars (*) when no auto attribute was made. Greg knows this. He's trying to weasel out of making a fool of himself. > On Apr 15, 11:22 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 15, 8:28 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Greg knows this. > He's trying to weasel out of making a fool of himself. Care to address your own LIES, Betty? Making a complete fool of yourself. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/01e5f25b2fd20c1a Right. I'm just tired of the 'Jew' sh.t. Can't she find anything better to talk about? It's always Jew this, and Liar that. She's called me a liar several times by saying that I have lied (which she doesn't think saying that someone lied is calling them a liar). She says I cover up for Mark Probert...ridiculous...I don't even know the man. I live in Springfield Missouri, and have only visited the area that Jan says Mark is from once on my honeymoon. I neither know Mark online, or off. But I lie for him. Shessh. I just get tired of reading it...expecially the subject lines she starts JEW JEW JEW LIARS AND JEWS. If she wants to write something RELEVANT to the group subject, wants to express a difference of opinion about something RELEVANT to the group subject, that's all fine...she stalks Mark from group to group calling him and anyone who agrees with ANYTHING he says a jew, a liar, etc. She even posts in the Breast Implant group...and she has NO connection to the implant issue. Neither implanted, explanted, survivor, victim, spouse, or child of any of the above. I just get really really tired of the Jew stuff, that's all. And I think Mark should sue her. Betty http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/betty-wirsen.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/betty-wirsen.htm is spreading an enormous amount of absolutely false information as 'facts' on Usenet ... I deal with just a few of her personal attacks on me at the link above. Wirsen on livers: >People only have one liver, jan, and you cannot donate your liver to >another person, for if you do, you will die yourself. No doctor on the face of this earth would remove a liver from a healthy human being to give it to an illl person. That would be murder. ~~~~~~~~ As usual ... she has a touch of truth mixed in with a lot of nonsense. Here are 4 million links on this topic ... http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNW... On Apr 15, 8:28 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > Are you rowing with all your oars? > You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 Take a look at Betty's post in question and tell me what it means when text has no ">" mark in front of it. If Betty quoted others without using > marks, what does that usually mean? Note, I sometimes quote others without > marks but I post a notice that I am doing do, and sometimes a link/header and ----------- marks to set the text apart. *****Now Greg, don't bother telling anyone that you are VERy accustomed to seeing me put stars before my comments (just like I did here) because my software doesn't always attribute in my replies. And don't tell anyone that I've made comments to that very fact in ASCPS so you are aware. Just try to backpeddle and make yourself feel better, ok? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 Notice the transition as follows: " > Thank you. I am being sarcastic. However"... The first line would NOT be Betty, and the second line WOULD be. How did I read this wrong? Is Betty quoting without appropriate quote marks, and why is that MY fault? *****That you didn't read the whole thread before you started your 'quoting' and obviously ignorant ranting IS your fault. If you had followed the thread and read the posts, instead of jumping in the middle, you would have known what was going on and who said what. But, that's you...Greg, so eager to express your rabid nature. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/bb89778e7ee4d1a0 On Apr 15, 6:05 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 14, 9:40 am, "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you rowing with all your oars? You quoted words of one person and attributed them to another. Go back in this thread to Betty's actual post: From: "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:40:04 GMT (ALL Betty said was:) *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. Thaks for clarifying. Tough sh.t, Greegor, (or is that really "Egor") if you have a problem with 'clarification'. Get back in the box. So what? Does not change a thing. You are just nit-picking. Furthermore, it has been proven Betty is a liar, like you! > On Apr 15, 6:05 am, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 151 lines] > You are just nit-picking. > Furthermore, it has been proven Betty is a liar, like you!- Well Jan you little 'the glass is half empty' person. One wonders what soured you so about life and sooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people (liars, liars, liars). Learn to knit, it may relax that clamped mind. On Apr 14, 9:40 am, "dragonsgirl" <dragonsg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the > women that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > going to share the same opinions -- we are all human, simple as > that. http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > I'd love to see the webpages come down that absolutely have nothing to > do with breast implant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > person that I helped -- all you got to do is > tell the truth, no need to panic, just be aware, and be truthful. That's not what you've been telling Kent Wills! *****I didn't say that Greg. > What I really dislike is to see web pages which have nothing to do > with the mission of the non profit > itself but have to do with the personal opinion of the person that is > doing the website. BW > According to the State of California a man by BW > the name of Dr. Angelo A. Zuffato is the BW > registered agent, and at the same address in BW > Oceanside is where the main office is BW > according to the State of California's corporation BW > page. That address is a mobile home park BW > in Oceanside, CA. I do not see [this] 80+ BW > year old man running the corporation from BW > his mobile home park and putting up websites BW > about people he does not even know. I had really forgotten about this newsgroup until Betty said I had accused her of stalking. Upon questioning she referred to Ilena as "a certain person", apparently not daring to mention Ilena's name! LOL ****I was writing in a group that I do not believe she frequents. Had I been writing in ASBI I would have called her by name. And...in case you missed it, Greg, I did call her by name yesterday when I posted your responses. Betty never could come up with a LINK to where I had accused her of "stalking". *****Harassment, stalking, it's all the same. For you...what's good for the goose BETTER DAMNED WELL NOT be committed by the gander. I'm just lucky I'm not your mentally ill ex wife and there aren't any psych meds laying about, eh? She switched to saying that I had accused her of "harassing" Ilena. **Didn't ya? It's amusing that I look over here and within just minutes I stumble across this message from Betty, where she is discussing somebody's home address and looking up corporate records. ***Yes, sure I did. LOL Greg, have you taken to drinking? Your behavior becomes more bizarre with each passing week. I still have not called Betty a STALKER! LOL ****And have no reason to. More amusing because the whole thing was part of Betty stooging for her buddy who is a Burglary Felon but publicly denies it. ****I guess you don't get the part where I say 'I don't care what he does'? (Outing a liar Felon using public records is not stalking.) Ironically Betty's buddy apparently has all of his possessions in a corporation or family trust. sport boats, tiny plane, real estate, cars, etc. ***Wow....you are the very definition of stalker, aren't you? Betty is a constant set of DOUBLE STANDARDS, double talk and two faced comments. *****Yep....we can see that plainly by these statements that you attributed to me which were actually written by someone who uses the nym 'Bee', who I also believe may be someone who also uses the nym 'Debbee'. BW > These web pages in my humble opinion are the BW > problem of discontent in these newsgroups. ... on a Boar! http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > This is why I suggested peace in the first > place. How many more years of Myrl was attacked by a killer frog, or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My entire point in negotiating peace was to stop the flow of toxic > waste words ROFL! ****LOL don't you feel like the jackass you are??? > ---Coleah had agreed, and her site was down, and we were > simply waiting on Ilena. Only websites with Coleah's name in them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the right thing to do in the name and goodness of the organization's > mission statement. Betty preaches about being adult! LOL ****Don't you feel totally STUPID? > He said she said they said, we said......hearsay....it is gossip at > its best. And it says miles about the women who have suffered the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. > Thaks for clarifying. ****You see what happens, Greg, when you get that motor running and you are foaming at the mouth to find something to cast stones at others about? I only made the comment above "I can't say that I disagree with pretty much anything you say. Thanks or clarifying". The rest was written by someone else. You were so excited to find something, anything, that you thought you could harass me about, that you forot to pay close attention to the attributes in the post. Good job, jackass. Now, I know you won't get this, but I'm inclined to sa it anyway: Did ya ever think, even for just a second, that you might be doing the same thing with other people? > > I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the > > women that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > going to share the same opinions -- we are all human, simple as > > that. http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > > I'd love to see the webpages come down that absolutely have nothing to > > do with breast implant [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's not what you've been telling Kent Wills! BW > *****I didn't say that Greg. Blame your crappy software that quotes wrong. > > What I really dislike is to see web pages which have nothing to do > > with the mission of the non profit [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > And...in case you missed it, Greg, I did call her by name yesterday when I > posted your responses. So, Betty, is this BEE person somebody that you side with an support, aide and abet, or somebody you oppose because they "stalk" Zuffato, etc. I watched you aide and abet Firemonkey Roberta when she posted my address and phone number over and over asking people to ""visit"" me and call me to express their opinions. You even claimed (falsely) that I had posted your street address, but when confronted you claimed it was all a joke. Other times you said that I may as well have posted your address and phone number, since anybody could look you up. WHY is it that you aided and abetted Roberta doing what you falsely accused me of? By the way, you DO know that your address is in your public court records, right? Did you notice that I snipped that out of the text I posted? I'm starting to think you just play your own version of this "stooge" game where you do aggressive record searches but use a proxy to avoid "fingerprints" while publicly posing as against stalking. Tell the Breast Implant people how your hyena pack had two major e-mail leaks, denied the embarassing e-mails and basically fell apart! For me it was HILARIOUS to see how Don L. Fisher of Carson, Washington, embarassed former CPS caseworker stopped posting and resurfaced as the "invisible hand" directing the pack like puppets. > Betty never could come up with a LINK to where > I had accused her of "stalking". [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > was part of Betty stooging for her buddy > who is a Burglary Felon but publicly denies it. BW > I guess you don't get the part where I say 'I don't care what he does'? To most people that is your admission that the ID of your buddy Kent Wills as the Garage Burglar Felon is correct. Certainly it weakens your OTHER arguments that he's not the ""right"" Kent Bradley Wills. http://www.judicial.state.ia.us/Supreme_Court/Recent_Opinions/20050506/04-0202.a sp?search=+Kent+Wills+#_1 http://www.pcpages.com/altfriends/bday.html alt.friends birthday list Names are in no particular order. 13 Kent Wills (Your Webmaster) Jan 8, 1969 compuelf at gmail dot com http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/DefaultFrame ( Start a case search here. ) http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/SelectFrame ( Trial Court - Case Search ) http://www.iowacourts.state.ia.us/ESAWebApp/TrialSimpFrame ( Wills (Tab key) Kent (Tab key) Bradley (Search) ) http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768 Name Kent Bradley Wills Offender Number 1155768 Sex M Birth Date 01/08/1969 Age 39 Location Interstate Compact Offense BURGLARY 2ND DEGREE County Of Commitment Polk Commitment Date 01/16/2004 Duration TDD/SDD * 01/16/2009 * TDD = Tentative Discharge Date * SDD = Supervision Discharge Date Supervision Status Offense Class County of Commitment End Date Probation Aggravated Misdemeanor Polk Probation C Felony Polk Supervision Status Offense Class County of Commitment End Date Probation Aggravated Misdemeanor Polk 11/25/2003 G > (Outing a liar Felon using public records is not stalking.) G > Ironically Betty's buddy apparently has all of G > his possessions in a corporation or family trust. G > sport boats, tiny plane, real estate, cars, etc. BW > Wow....you are the very definition of stalker, aren't you? WHY? Because I can read what Kent PUBLICLY POSTED? Didn't you notice Kent's PUBLIC comments about boats, cars, pools, airplane, and didn't you notice Kent's public comments about the "corporation" ? Is it stalking to refer to somebody's PUBLIC COMMENTS? G > Betty is a constant set of DOUBLE STANDARDS, G > double talk and two faced comments. BW > Yep....we can see that plainly by these BW > statements that you attributed to me BW > which were actually written by someone BW > who uses the nym 'Bee', who I also BW > believe may be someone who also uses BW > the nym 'Debbee'. > These web pages in my humble opinion are the > problem of discontent in these newsgroups. ... on a Boar! http://www.vividlight.com/24/images/BLACK%20RHINO%20CLOSE.jpg > > This is why I suggested peace in the first > > place. How many more years of Myrl was attacked by a killer frog, or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > My entire point in negotiating peace was to stop the flow of toxic > > waste words G > ROFL! BW > LOL don't you feel like the jackass you are??? Blame your crappy software that quotes wrong. > > ---Coleah had agreed, and her site was down, and we were > > simply waiting on Ilena. Only websites with Coleah's name in them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > the right thing to do in the name and goodness of the organization's > > mission statement. G > Betty preaches about being adult! LOL BW > Don't you feel totally STUPID? Blame your crappy software that quotes wrong. > > He said she said they said, we said......hearsay....it is gossip at > > its best. And it says miles about the women who have suffered the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > B. BEE > *****I can't say that I disagree with pretty BEE > much anything you say. Thaks for clarifying. BW > ****You see what happens, Golly, Even if it hadn't been quoted wrong, WHAT"S with the ***** thing, Bee? Is that a coincidence? > Greg, when you get that motor running and you are > foaming at the mouth to find something to cast stones at others about? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Did ya ever think, even for just a second, that you might be doing the same > thing with other people? Blame your crappy software that quotes wrong. WHY is that MY problem? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> > I am being sarcastic. However, I see the pages to be demeaning to the >> > women that [quoted text clipped - 279 lines] > > WHY is that MY problem? YOU misquoted. Is that YOUR problem, or someone else's? Seems like everyone else was able to read it clear enough.  Signature<Greg Hanson> "http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm Stalking is defined as "the willful, malicious and repeated following and harassing of another person" (Meloy, 1998). By that definition, Mr. Probert, I could claim that you and others are stalking me. " > So, Betty, is this BEE person somebody that you > side with an support, aide and abet, or somebody > you oppose because they "stalk" Zuffato, etc. Excuse me, I have no clue who Betty is, and I am not asking anyone to side in with me. Being grown up means you make decisions for yourself, and come to conclusions for yourself, and don't sweat "the small stuff," and indeed all of this is small. In fact the "grown up" thing to do would be to stop the he said she said we said they said, and forgive the past and go on. This is indeed small stuff----there are bigger fish to fry in all of this-- meaning, breast implant awareness, and the education of people. Forgiveness is the key to a wonderful life. > > So, Betty, is this BEE person somebody that you > > side with an support, aide and abet, or somebody [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Forgiveness is the key to a wonderful life. That's a pretty good philosphy to live by! Betty lost her mother in death a few years back. Her mother was a breast implant recipient! I think you would probably like Betty! On Apr 15, 5:31 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 15, 2:10 pm, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Forgiveness is the key to a wonderful life. That's a pretty good philosphy to live by! Betty lost her mother in death a few years back. Her mother was a breast implant recipient! I think you would probably like Betty! *****TY so much Myrl. As always, your kind words mean a great deal to me. Betty Bee > Forgiveness is the key to a wonderful life. Forgive me then Bee, but Betty stood idly by when her good friend Roberta posted my address and phone number and solicited ""visitors"". Betty argued (lied) in support of the action. This is like rubbing salt in the wound, or being an accessory after the fact. Bee > That's a pretty good philosphy to live by! Bee > Betty lost her mother in death a few Bee > years back. Her mother was a breast Bee > implant recipient! I think you would Bee > probably like Betty! What kind of advocacy can move forward if you can't dispose of ""advocates"" who are devious saboteurs? Boll weevils I call them. They burrow into advocacy groups to disrupt from the inside. Betty's Mom died from a breast implant? PROOF? Betty's friends pull CONS like that all the time! Remember, Betty thinks she's a SECRET AGENT! Betty is a sneaky saboteur. She lies and conspires. Breast Implants is NOT the only arena where she pulls this. She was part of a little e-mail back channel conspiracy. She LIED her a.s off for her pack. She turned a blind eye to criminal acts by members of her own group. Meanwhile she falsely alleged criminal acts by her opponents. She claimed to be an independant thinker, while in reality she was ringleader in her little e-mail back channel gang of thugs. Some of them clearly decided that if they couldn't bend the ascps newsgroup to their ends they would destroy it. They made a BIG DEAL out of my two 12 year old misdemeanor Domestics, but cozied up to a guy convicted in 2005 of a Burglary Felony. I choose not to call FELONS my friends or allies. Betty turned a blind eye to serious stalking behavior by another of her allies, and argued as if his identity was a mystery, just like she did later with the convicted Burglary Felon. She does of course, know better. Betty's ends justify ANY means to her, no matter how devious, dishonest, or supportive of a criminal act it is. Betty's everything you could ask for in an opponent. The last person I'd want as a friend. If your cause can't recognize when you're being poisoned from within by bonafide saboteurs (other side) you will get nowhere. To try to be so all inclusive that you can't cast out betrayers in your midst cripples you. Betty is a sidewinder. She can't play anything straight for long. > Bee > Forgiveness is the key to a wonderful life. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This is like rubbing salt in the wound, or > being an accessory after the fact. You forgot to address the fact that FM came to the ASCPS group at YOUR prompting. Further, I did not know her. Apparently, since you posted so much personal information about her, stalker, YOU did. Was I to assume that she was not someone that you are VERY familiar with? Was I to assume that you would be so offended by your address and such being posted? After all, as you said many times when you posted the personal information of one Donald L Fisher, it's PUBLIC! Didn't you try to belittle me earlier today for posting information of one Anthony Zaffuto? Yes...you made it clear that what you REALLY thought of that...until you learned it was someone else, and not I, who posted that information. It's very clear to anyone with a brain that YOU, Greg, are a stalker, and YOU see what's good for the goose is NOT so good for the gander. > Bee > That's a pretty good philosphy to live by! > Bee > Betty lost her mother in death a few [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > They burrow into advocacy groups to disrupt > from the inside. Much like your post of earlier today to a man who claims to have cocerns that he is about to be charged with sexual abuse of his step child? You really didn't do much to alleviate his fears, nor offer him any resources, advice, or even tell the guy that you wished him the best. You ranted...in your petty little way. YOU are no believer in FAMILY rights, you are a believer in your own rights and nothing more in my opinion. Can we dispose of you? > Betty's Mom died from a breast implant? PROOF? > Betty's friends pull CONS like that all the time! > Remember, Betty thinks she's a SECRET AGENT! Greg Hanson: Signaturehttp://tinyurl.com/2ljq8c "Greg went to see Doctor DHSISGOODFORME for one hour, for a Psychological Evaluation, knowing what had been INPUT was a laundry list of 4 points. The list was: needs to be the victim domestic violence controlling anger management issues " > Betty is a sneaky saboteur. She lies and conspires. > Breast Implants is NOT the only arena where she pulls this. Take a look around you stalking back biting snake. When you refer to me in such a way I wonder if you are actually looking in a mirror. How many years did Lisa lose for you? > She was part of a little e-mail back channel conspiracy. > She LIED her a.s off for her pack. OMG! I wrote PERSONAL EMAILS IN REGARD TO USENET POSTS! Greg's never done that, by God, he's PERFECT! In fact, I bet NO ONE IN ANY OF THESE GROUPS has ever done THAT! > She turned a blind eye to criminal acts by > members of her own group. Meanwhile she > falsely alleged criminal acts by her opponents. Watch Greg do the vague allegations dance while he doesn't bother showing anyone what 'criminal acts' he's referring to. > She claimed to be an independant thinker, > while in reality she was ringleader in her > little e-mail back channel gang of thugs. > Some of them clearly decided that if they > couldn't bend the ascps newsgroup > to their ends they would destroy it. Yes, we CLEARLY decided that. Please. Greg, when you brought the Ken and Dave show to ASCPS, completely off topic, consistently flooding the newsgroup with CRAP day in and day out some of us sought to justify Ken's claims in hopes that he would quietly go away and take Dave with him. Hey...thanks for the sh.t storm. > They made a BIG DEAL out of my two 12 year > old misdemeanor Domestics, but cozied up > to a guy convicted in 2005 of a Burglary Felony. > I choose not to call FELONS my friends or allies. Again...people do things that they are not particularly proud of...everyone does. 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