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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / April 2008Information About Posters On This Forum Is Coming To Light
The information is becoming quite revealing. > The information is becoming quite revealing. With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is pointless. KULACZ.............................OUT > The information is becoming quite revealing. >With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is >pointless. That doesn't follow, unless --- what could it be? Have you discovered that they know a secret sequence of words that will cause your mind to implode? I'm intrigued. PM >KULACZ.............................OUT >> The information is becoming quite revealing. > >With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is >pointless. > >KULACZ.............................OUT Door ... arse ... way out.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>> The information is becoming quite revealing. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Door ... arse ... way out. Yes, we know that is your and the gangs intention. To run posters off who you disagree with, and the ones who prove all the gangs tactics, lies and harassing. Your other propose is to post your lying web sites and spam. > With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is > pointless. It is not pointless, but the information is a fascinating read on another forum. >> The information is becoming quite revealing. > >With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is >pointless. > >KULACZ.............................OUT Bye! > Bye! He isn't leaving---he will be back---or maybe he is back already--I cannot remember his new name! > The information is becoming quite revealing. What are we now? Are we all well known trolls of the green and red tribes with a couple of yellow ones thrown in for fun? Reveal please. Enquiring minds want to know. Am I Alt or anti-ALT? Trig Now going under the bridge to sleep. : Am I Alt or anti-ALT? You are not morg. You are not eymorg. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." On Apr 10, 6:14 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: ow. > Am I Alt or anti-ALT? > > Trig One might guess that you are a little of both. > On Apr 10, 6:14 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > One might guess that you are a little of both. If (as you have preached) we should direct our attention to the content rather than the poster, how does it matter? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > If (as you have preached) we should direct our attention > to the content rather than the poster, how does it matter? And the question came from someone other than yourself, asking what they were.....either pro or anti alternative health. do try to remember what your name is unless you are posting under two names, and then it is okay to answer yourself. :>) > In message <7a9c6c50-4224-4b5e-8fc1-37ecca15e...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Bee wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Yes to Bee. And to Direct Circuit Sessions, I say the content of our posting reveals our motives. Did I preach? <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d0cb7a98-2773-425e-aed6-5c0dd78296e0@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Apr 10, 12:03 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > In message > <7a9c6c50-4224-4b5e-8fc1-37ecca15e...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Bee [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Yes to Bee. And to Direct Circuit Sessions, I say the content of our posting reveals our motives. Did I preach? And a great sermon it was too. >> In message <7a9c6c50-4224-4b5e-8fc1-37ecca15e...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Bee wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yes to Bee. And to Direct Circuit Sessions, I say the content > of our posting reveals our motives. There are two problems with this: 1) There are multiple possible motives for almost anything humans do. Ascribing one is often more of a reflection on the observer than on the observed. 2) It doesn't matter anyway. If I tell you that it's raining in Houston, it doesn't matter *why* I tell you it's raining in Houston -- it either is or is not. > Did I preach? Debee has been lately; the comment was a reply to her. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Debee has been lately; the comment was a reply to her. Who is Debee? I'm Bee. Not preaching. Just trying to put this newsgroup back in focus of what the MHA Charter is all about. Thank you for your concern. > In message <d0cb7a98-2773-425e-aed6-5c0dd7829...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Debee has been lately; the comment was a reply to her. Or Kulacz. It did get me to do a double take. I generally agree with your logic in the above posting. > The information is becoming quite revealing. What information, revealiong what? That there are morons who believe that people are being paid to post? > What information, revealiong what? You haven't been to "The" Forum yet? It is quite an interesting read. > > What information, revealiong what? > > You haven't been to "The" Forum yet? It is quite an interesting > read. Just checking in from time to time watching things unfold as all things eventually do. > Just checking in from time to time watching things unfold as all > things eventually do. Yes, things always happen for a reason.....sometimes they are slower than we want, but eventually the you know what rolls downhill.....soon everything will be coming up roses!! >> > What information, revealiong what? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Just checking in from time to time watching things unfold as all >things eventually do. I thought that you were leaving. Was that a lie? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > I thought that you were leaving. Was that a lie? He never said he was leaving. This is what he wrote, word for word. Did he say he was leaving? On Apr 9, 4:09 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: With the discovery of this data on some individuals here, posting is pointless. KULACZ.............................OUT > >> > What information, revealiong what? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com I did leave for a while. That was not a lie Now I am back to periodically check in. So you have a problem with that? Is it important to you? >> >> > What information, revealiong what? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> -- >I did leave for a while. That was not a lie >Now I am back to periodically check in. >So you have a problem with that? >Is it important to you? Leaving for a few hours to have a sleep isn't "leaving". Thanks for revealing your rather postmodern definition of honesty. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com ? > Leaving for a few hours to have a sleep isn't "leaving". > > Thanks for revealing your rather postmodern definition of honesty. Does it really matter, Peter how long someone is gone or isn't gone? Absolutely not. There is no question of Dr. K being honest or not honest. The only one that has brought this information up is you. It's time to get out of the aerobics class and stop spinning, you will only make yourself dizzy trying to figure it out. I suppose if you were a Navajo Code Talker you might get it. But that isn't the language spoken here--it is English. : There is no question of Dr. K being honest or not honest. For those of us who believe in objective reality, there most certainly is a question of his being honest or not honest. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In article <09bbc356-8db0-4705-b23a-0e1aa9190...@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." Certainly you will atempt to defame me whenever you can questioning my honesty. That is the M.O. However, kust what exactly are you referring to when you question my honesty. Please be specific. : However, kust what exactly are you referring to when you question my : honesty. : Please be specific. I am referring to your unwillingness to accept Mr. Sessions's offer of $2000. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?" > In article <14e8726b-7eea-4111-8a06-8ca3e34f6...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your > truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?" That processis absurd. Just reveal the data. Simple. > I am referring to your unwillingness to accept Mr. Sessions's offer of $2000. Isn't Mr. Sessions into "electricity?" That would be shocking to hear if that is the case. > In article > <09bbc356-8db0-4705-b23a-0e1aa9190c36@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Bee [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----- > Richard Schultz Snip!! > For those of us who believe in objective reality, there most certainly is > a question of his being honest or not honest. Why is that? Do you have a relative that is connected or was connected to the NY Board of Education? (aren't they the ones that do the licensing in NY?). > > For those of us who believe in objective reality, there most certainly is > > a question of his being honest or not honest. > > Why is that? Do you have a relative that is connected or was > connected to the NY Board of Education? > (aren't they the ones that do the licensing in NY?). I have not heard a reason for questioning my honesty. Anybody questioning my hinesty, please state your exact reasons for such a statement. As for the NY State Education department: Here is the abbvreviated situation. The dental board of NY came ofter me for extreacting two root canal teeth that the patient came in to have extracted. One tooth had a vertical fracture. Both teeth had X-ray patholgy confirmed by an MD, PhD Radiologist. Biopsy of the bone showed osteomyelitis. Cultures showed multiple bacteria and candida albicans. The cultures were clean catch deep bone cultures and not contaminants. The main charge against me was gross misconduct and negligence for extracting these two teeth. Another charge was that my website stated that I changed the focus of my practice after learning of some of the problems with certain dental procedures. They claimed that was also a violation since they said that it implied that I was stating that I was superior to other dentists. I was never granted an interview even though I repeatedly requested one. The lease for my office was due and i could not sign a new lease since I now have a letter fromNYSED that they are going to revoke my license. My malpractice company would not cover this board action so I acted as my own attorney. I tape recorded all comversations with the attorney for NYS for my own protection in case they claimed that I said something that I never said. Senator Clinton wrote a letter on my behalf to have my case re- reviewed after looking at the data that I presented. Several months go by and the attorney for NYS calls me and said that a 3 dentist panel reviewed all of the data and came to the same conclusion as the first dentist reviewer. I asked him how these three dentists from different parts of NYS reviewed all of the data. He said THEY DIDN'T!! I said they didn't. Who is guilty of misconduct here. His reply was. "You are a smart guy. You are not naive. You know what is going on here. Forget about justice. It is not a matter of right or wrong. The board has an agenda and they ae going to get you. It is not even about this particular case." Apparently I was too vocal with my book and non-paying radio show. I was told by the attorney that they wanted to silence me. If somebody were to tell me this story 10 years ago I would not have believed them. But it hapenned to me and it is quite real. And I have since learned that it has happenned to others as I had a state assemblyman attempt to assist me in this matter. Now I have an admission that I was set up. I wait for an informal settlement conference to be scheduled. They ask me my available dates so they can schedule accordingly. The only date that I could not make it was a Tuesday morning. Several months go by and I get a call. The hearing is scheduled for a Tuesday morning!!! What a surprise. Now I call the Chancellor of the NYSED and tell him that the board of regents, the dental board and the NYSED is corrupt and play part of the tape. The next day iI get a call from the attorney that I tape recorded admitting that I was set up.; The stae decided to drop all charges if I would agree on a plea that my records were not ADA standard. They needed something to get me on or they lose immunity and can be charged with malicious prosecution. I did not want to accept that so I called an attorney. The attorney told me that it would cost a minimum of $250,000 to fight this case and regardless of the outcome they will find some way to get me. So I settled on the consent which now allowed me to keep my license. I had no more money or time. Now I want to go back into practice. I apply for active malpractice insurance. I cannot get insurance because the insurance companies will not write a new active policy (I had a tail policy through this nightmare ordeal) for anybody that has any blemish on their record. They claim that they are losing money in NYS. So I attempt to have this ruling corrected. I go to the Governor. They have no jurisdiction. The AG, Inspector General do not nandle these cases. There is nobody in government to turn to for help. The NYSED would not even grant a freedom of information request as they have written the law to exclude board actions from these requests. I did find an assemblyman that knew of the abuse of power by ther state boards. After reviewing my case he agreed to help. I submitted an appeal. The appeal was denied. Interestingly, in the letter from Mr. Catone of OPD, he stated that they did not disagree that my treatment was correct. They agreed that I performed correct treatment!! However he stated that I signed the consent regarding ADA records so the case was closed. I reminded him that the original dentists stated that the main charge for revocation was the claim that the extraction of the two teeth, which they now agree was correct, was originally deemed gross conduct and negligence. I suggested that these dentists should be re-trained since they were wrong in their initial claim and the attack on me was malicious prosecution. Of course I received no response. Websites supporting the original NYS dental board agenda put out postings in an atempt to ruin my reputation.They posting things out of context such as implying that I was treating cancer etc. Other internet items about me were palin lies. We all know that this type of activity is commonplace. I had a lot more money when I practiced 'conventional" dentistry even though I used many vonventional treatments in my practice.Now i have basically none. My peers liked me. I was not open to abusive board action. I was not a target for frivolous lawsuits. I had a wonderful life My only incentive was to do the right thing. This has taken a tremendous toll on me my family. There is much more to this story but space is limited. > > > For those of us who believe in objective reality, there most certainly is > > > a question of his being honest or not honest. [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > There is much more to this story but space is limited. A > > > For those of us who believe in objective reality, there most certainly is > > > a question of his being honest or not honest. [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > There is much more to this story but space is limited. Usenet is infinite. sounds like you got a raw deal. However, that $250K cost seems a bit excessive. I know of one doctor who beat the OPMC and it was only $57K. A close friend was seriously screwed by the OPMC. I would tell you the story, even link to his webpage, but, alas, I do not trust you in the slightest. > A close friend was seriously screwed by the OPMC. I would tell you the > story, even link to his webpage, but, alas, I do not trust you in the > slightest. You would not be anyone I would in a million years choose to confide in about anything even if you were the second to the last person left on earth. > > A close friend was seriously screwed by the OPMC. I would tell you the > > story, even link to his webpage, but, alas, I do not trust you in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you > were the second to the last person left on earth. I must agree on that point. I agree medical boards are also problems as their authority has often be abused. An since it is abused, it is clearly too large. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely......or so goes the Maxim as I recall it. > I must agree on that point. I agree medical boards are also > problems as their authority has often be abused. > An since it is abused, it is clearly too large. > Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts > absolutely......or so goes the Maxim as I recall it. Unfortunately, there is no degree of power which cannot be abused (watch a kindergarten class some time when one of the kids has been given the "power" to distribute crayons.) If you remove the power to do harm, you also cripple the power to do any good at all, which in the case of serious abuses (as in, outright fraud) is also a Bad Thing. If you attempt to take all trace of human judgment out of the system, you get insanity like the "zero tolerance" rules against "knives" that also forbid tiny plastic charm bracelet "knives." We live in an imperfect universe, and there really is no perfect system. We just have to do the best we can and accept that it's not always going to be good enough. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <faa2e09c-dcf3-419e-8d25-3537e2916...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > we can and accept that it's not always going to be > good enough. Hear, hear! > -- > | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | > +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <faa2e09c-dcf3-419e-8d25-3537e2916...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | > +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+ > In message <faa2e09c-dcf3-419e-8d25-3537e2916...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | > +--- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ---+ Nicely worded. I often stop myself when I think of a possible reform to propose as it immediately comes to mind how it will be abused and fail. Still my first impulse is to cripple power. My second is the authority need to do that will be an abuse of power itself. It is late and is my bed time. > In message <faa2e09c-dcf3-419e-8d25-3537e2916...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > we can and accept that it's not always going to be > good enough. Agreed. The problem is that the regulators need to be watched, too. Unfortunately, they are either not watched, or one has to have the legislative branch get off its a.s to watch them. That is way too hard for the average person to do. On Apr 13, 7:40 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > A close friend was seriously screwed by the OPMC. I would tell you the > > > story, even link to his webpage, but, alas, I do not trust you in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I must agree on that point. I agree medical boards are also > problems as their authority has often be abused. I wish I could post about it, since this friend really got screwed by the nYS OPMC, when he did not even have an active license to practice in NY. He allowed his license to expire when he moved to another state twenty five years ago. > An since it is abused, it is clearly too large. > Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts > absolutely......or so goes the Maxim as I recall it. There was a case in my area of a groping pediatrician. Several parents (some known personally by me) filed complaints. Nothing appeared to happen until they went to the local media which ran a story on how the OPMC was doing nothing. On Apr 13, 7:40 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 12, 9:15 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I must agree on that point. I agree medical boards are also > problems as their authority has often be abused. I wish I could post about it, since this friend really got screwed by the nYS OPMC, when he did not even have an active license to practice in NY. He allowed his license to expire when he moved to another state twenty five years ago. > An since it is abused, it is clearly too large. > Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts > absolutely......or so goes the Maxim as I recall it. There was a case in my area of a groping pediatrician. Several parents (some known personally by me) filed complaints. Nothing appeared to happen until they went to the local media which ran a story on how the OPMC was doing nothing. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43 Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies. > > A close friend was seriously screwed by the OPMC. I would tell you the > > story, even link to his webpage, but, alas, I do not trust you in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you > were the second to the last person left on earth. I would not want to know anything about you. I deal with what you post here, nothing more. On Apr 13, 12:15 am, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 12, 12:48 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you > were the second to the last person left on earth. I would not want to know anything about you. I deal with what you post here, nothing more. - Oh, but you email others after being told to stop over and over. Would you like to deal with that, Mark S Probert, Merrick, NY--disbarred attorney? "Peter Bowditch" > Thanks for revealing your rather postmodern definition of honesty. Information About Posters On This Forum Is Coming To Light YOU just proved it OLD dishonest one. > >> > What information, revealiong what? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.co Does it really matter to you if I am here or not? I am interesting in the proceedings around here. > > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.co > > Does it really matter to you if I am here or not? > I am interesting in the proceedings around here. Everything is proceeding as it should. Peace is possible. :>) Never give up the hope. > > > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.co > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Everything is proceeding as it should. Peace is possible. :>) > Never give up the hope. Peace is certainly possible as things progress. It is a wam feeling to know that there is hope clearly visible on the horizon. > I thought that you were leaving. Was that a lie? "Lie" is such a harsh word, so -- /absolute/ Sort of like "certainty." | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ >> What information, revealiong what? >> >You haven't been to "The" Forum yet? It is quite an interesting >read. Which forum would that be? Are you talking about the spinoff from est? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Which forum would that be? Are you talking about the spinoff from est? What is EST? Eastern Standard Time? >> Which forum would that be? Are you talking about the spinoff from est? >> >What is EST? Eastern Standard Time? It was the precursor to The Forum. Look it up. Now, what forum were you talking about? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > It was the precursor to The Forum. Look it up. > > Now, what forum were you talking about? > > -- There was not a precursor to "THE FORUM." "THE FORUM" has always been there, just ask Mabel. If you know Mabel, you have the key to "THE FORUM," which by the way, isn't on the internet or is it? > >> What information, revealiong what? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 I attended just about all of the seminars offered through est (Erhard Seminar Training) 1978-1981, est transformed into The Forum, and now is the Landmark Education Forum. I never considered it a mind controlling 'cult'. The original training was definitely not structured for the mentally unfirm. http://www.landmarkeducation.com/section.jsp?top=21&utm_source=google&utm_medium =cpc&utm_term=landmark%20forum&utm_campaign=LE+LF+L+Brand > You haven't been to "The" Forum yet? It is quite an interesting > read. Funny things happen on the way there. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Funny things happen on the way there. > > -- Funny Things happen where? Is this a veiled threat? I know you've never been to "THE FORUM." [re: The Forum] :> Funny things happen on the way there. : Funny Things happen where? On the way to The Forum. : Is this a veiled threat? "Tragedy tomorrow" is closer to being "a promise likely to be fulfilled" than it is to being "a veiled threat." ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . . >[re: The Forum] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >"Tragedy tomorrow" is closer to being "a promise likely to be fulfilled" than >it is to being "a veiled threat." But when someone misses an allusion it's comedy tonight. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >In article <762df420-3db3-4974-88b3-036c6612e...@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The comedy of it all is already in place. Now it is time to just wait for the laughs. Some will not be laughing. > > >In article <762df420-3db3-4974-88b3-036c6612e...@n1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The sideshow is a separate issue. The point of this forum is the unbiased, open discussion of healthcare ideas. Are the posters on this forum interested in discussing healthcare in a respectful way or not? : The point of this forum is the unbiased, open discussion of healthcare : ideas. I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" discussion of anything. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > I wait with bated breath You know that the world has gone to sh.t when someone using a stock phrase correctly stands out as remarkable. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > You know that the world has gone to sh.t when someone > using a stock phrase correctly stands out as remarkable. You know when people are untruthful about who they really are, and what their purpose in all of this is, and get others involved with their motives, that eventually when the fan is hit, it starts rolling downhill. It's already started to roll downhill. It's hard for some with other motives other than the discussion of alternative health to keep their cover up for too long. I'm not a 100% fan of either conventional or alternative health care remedies. But I (the consumer in a consumer based newsgroup) like to the choice in making the best health care decisions for myself. I view public servants for instance, as that mere public servants and no more. When some individuals become public servants they get the wrong idea that they have some kind of extra power that makes them better than anyone else. Its that abuse of power that gets them in trouble every time they "do a friend a favor." I had a case the other day of a public servant that thought her position gave her the authority to break the law. She learned that she also had to adhere to the law as well. She didn't get terminated, but her boss reminded her that she has no extra special powers to do anything and that she is merely a public servant, for which the taxpayers pay her salary. It was a hard lesson for her, she had to apologize to the people she hurt, but making a decision that put the safety of the taxpayers at risk. Never a good thing. > You know when people are untruthful about who they really are, > and what their purpose in all of this is, and get others involved with > their motives, that eventually when the fan is hit, it starts rolling > downhill. Couldn't hold back any longer, eh? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Couldn't hold back any longer, eh? It's not me, babe that is going to have da trotts soon. :>) :> You know that the world has gone to sh.t when someone :> using a stock phrase correctly stands out as remarkable. : You know when people are untruthful about who they really are, : and what their purpose in all of this is, and get others involved with : their motives, that eventually when the fan is hit, it starts rolling : downhill. Considering that you post under a pseudonym and have given several mutually inconsistent stories about your motives, I would say that it's time for you to have your meds checked again. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > Considering that you post under a pseudonym and have given several > mutually inconsistent stories about your motives, I would say that > it's time for you to have your meds checked again. A lot of people do it --- in fact it is for safety---more than anything. My favorite poster here was Tsu Doh Nimh --- seems like he/she was posting from Arizona or someplace like that. Did you question that? How about the rest-your best friend Andrew does it. I think it is time for you to quit inhaling fumes in the chem lab and smell the air. >> Considering that you post under a pseudonym and have given several >> mutually inconsistent stories about your motives, I would say that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My favorite poster here was Tsu Doh Nimh --- seems like he/she was > posting from Arizona or someplace like that. She. Arizona. We've met. | sh.t happens. Sometimes it happens to you. | +--- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ---+ :> Considering that you post under a pseudonym and have given several :> mutually inconsistent stories about your motives, I would say that :> it's time for you to have your meds checked again. : A lot of people do it --- in fact it is for safety---more than : anything. Then why do you ask *me* for details of my personal (as opposed to professional) life? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > Then why do you ask *me* for details of my personal (as opposed to > professional) life? If you don't put it out there, then no one knows, right? :> Then why do you ask *me* for details of my personal (as opposed to :> professional) life? : If you don't put it out there, then no one knows, right? Please answer the question that was asked. I am aware that your returning it to its context is far too much for me to expect. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In article <e5e1b8ce-07db-4bf0-8081-f74652cf2...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." ANYBODY with based views etc. is included. I have not excluded anybody. > > In article <e5e1b8ce-07db-4bf0-8081-f74652cf2...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ----- > > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." Very profound statement. (hardly) However the "clues" are turning into facts. > ANYBODY with based views etc. is included. I have not excluded > anybody including myself. > I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and > Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" > discussion of anything. Waiting with baited breath. Now THAT is funny. I've not said anything like that at all. This is a consumer newsgroup. >> I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and >> Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" >> discussion of anything. >> >Waiting with baited breath. Now THAT is funny. What is "baited breath"? >I've not said anything like that at all. This is a consumer >newsgroup. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>> I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and >>> Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What is "baited breath"? Perhaps it's a veiled reference to predatory posting? That, or a *really* veiled reference to my earlier comment on the same line. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ >>> I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and >>> Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What is "baited breath"? Yours. > >> I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and > >> Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What is "baited breath"? Sounds fishy to me. > Sounds fishy to me. Yes, I threw some herring out there --- and a big fish ate them-- then I netted it -- and donated it to science -- the last time I heard , it was swimming around in the main tank at Sea World. > > Sounds fishy to me. > > Yes, I threw some herring out there Well, it is common knowledge that you love red herring. On Apr 13, 7:56 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 12, 12:41 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Sounds fishy to me. > > Yes, I threw some herring out there Well, it is common knowledge that you love red herring. ZZzz. Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 250 for Mark Probert red herring . :> I wait with bated breath for your criticism of Bee, PeterB, JOHN, and :> Jan Drew, who have made it clear that they are not interested in "unbiased" :> discussion of anything. : Waiting with baited breath. Now THAT is funny. No, I am waiting with bated breath. I don't eat worms (and probably wouldn't eat them even if they were kosher). ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." > In article <8664f363-9ede-416b-98eb-0e86b6116...@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, I am waiting with bated breath. I don't eat worms (and probably > wouldn't eat them even if they were kosher). Sphincters are another matter entirely. Bon Appetit, Richard! > ----- > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University > ----- > "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." :> : Waiting with baited breath. ? Now THAT is funny. :> :> No, I am waiting with bated breath. ?I don't eat worms (and probably :> wouldn't eat them even if they were kosher). : : Sphincters are another matter entirely. Bon Appetit, Richard! At least your obsession with matters related to elimination remains constant. I'm glad that I don't believe in most of Freudian psychology -- your posts might otherwise convince me that he was on to something. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly." -- Deborah Lipstadt > In article <9d50c025-e32a-4f68-9d01-c52e3be3d...@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > constant. I'm glad that I don't believe in most of Freudian psychology -- > your posts might otherwise convince me that he was on to something. Not suprisingly, you've gotten ingestion and elimination reversed. As for sphincters, they would seem to be idealy suited to you. > ----- > Richard Schultz schu...@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "I love people. But I don't suffer fools gladly." > -- Deborah Lipstadt :> In article <9d50c025-e32a-4f68-9d01-c52e3be3d...@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: :> :> : Waiting with baited breath. ? Now THAT is funny. :> :> No, I am waiting with bated breath. ?I don't eat worms (and probably :> :> wouldn't eat them even if they were kosher). :> : Sphincters are another matter entirely. ?Bon Appetit, Richard! :> At least your obsession with matters related to elimination remains :> constant. ?I'm glad that I don't believe in most of Freudian psychology -- :> your posts might otherwise convince me that he was on to something. : Not suprisingly, you've gotten ingestion and elimination reversed. I have no idea what that comment is supposed to mean, and I would be just as happy if you failed to enlighten me. : As for sphincters, they would seem to be idealy suited to you. Is this the discussion of TCM in which you were so interested? Or are you simply intent on proving my point about your obsession with elimination? You know, you could say what's really on your mind in the terms in which you can most easily express them, i.e., those that would be used by the typical four-year-old. Don't worry, I can take it. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?" > In article <c794bdfe-82cf-420b-96c2-a804b8f2d...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > :> In article <9d50c025-e32a-4f68-9d01-c52e3be3d...@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I have no idea what that comment is supposed to mean, and I would be > just as happy if you failed to enlighten me. It means that you've gotten the digestive process backward. You eat with your mouth and excrete with your a.shole, unless you've become obsessed with the South Park episode where they do that backwards. That may explain the feculant nature of many of your recent posts. > : As for sphincters, they would seem to be idealy suited to you. > > Is this the discussion of TCM in which you were so interested? You mean the one where you say that you never said Acupuncture doesn't work when in fact you said exactly that? You mean the one where you say that I've cited webpages, but the truth is that they were the ones you cited? You mean the one where you say that you've never considered acupuncture be like homeopathy, but rather unproven, then go on to say it is like homeopathy. Your dishonest discussion of Acupuncture (and occasionally TCM) isn't very interesting from a medical standpoint. It does reveal fascinating things about you, Richard. You lie without remorse even when you know that the google archive will prove that you've done so. When caught in these lies, you just act as if you never said them or that they meant the opposite of what you said. > Or are you > simply intent on proving my point about your obsession with elimination? > You know, you could say what's really on your mind in the terms in which > you can most easily express them, i.e., those that would be used by the > typical four-year-old. Don't worry, I can take it. Hey, if that is the only way to reach you, Richard, I'll go there. Sphincters seem an ideal food for you, unless you'd consider it cannibalistic. Bon Appetit! :> :> : Sphincters are another matter entirely. ?Bon Appetit, Richard! :> :> At least your obsession with matters related to elimination remains :> :> constant. ?I'm glad that I don't believe in most of Freudian psychology -- :> :> your posts might otherwise convince me that he was on to something. :> : Not suprisingly, you've gotten ingestion and elimination reversed. :> I have no idea what that comment is supposed to mean, and I would be :> just as happy if you failed to enlighten me. : It means that you've gotten the digestive process backward. You eat : with your mouth and excrete with your a.shole, unless you've become : obsessed with the South Park episode where they do that backwards. To which of the possible sphincters were you referring in your post, if not to the anal sphincter? :> Is this the discussion of TCM in which you were so interested? : : You mean the one where you say that you never said Acupuncture doesn't : work when in fact you said exactly that? Do you continue to make this statement because you are incapable of understanding the concepts of "sarcasm" and "context," or because you are deliberately distorting what I said? : You mean the one where you say that I've cited webpages, but the truth : is that they were the ones you cited? No, I mean article <1185730472.951697.113330@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> in which you say "I'll henceforth say that you remain open to the possibility [of the efficacy of acupuncture], but unconvinced." : You mean the one where you say that you've never considered : acupuncture be like homeopathy, but rather unproven, then go on to say : it is like homeopathy. I see that you are about as smart as Citizen Jimserac, i.e., not very. I give you the same answer that I gave him: I was not likening acupuncture to homeopathy; I was pointing out that since the same claim about their efficacy is made by supporters of both methods, the claim as stated is meaningless. : Your dishonest discussion of Acupuncture (and occasionally TCM) isn't : very interesting from a medical standpoint. I am still waiting for you to provide a response to the journal articles on acupuncture that I provided. I'm also waiting for you to point out any errors of fact in the essay about Qi that I cited yesterday. I accept that there are studies in the literature that claim positive results, while there are others that claim negative results. My arguments are based on this observation and how we can understand it, and tend toward the conclusion that the positive results are not of sufficient quality to be trusted in light of the negative ones, and why I feel that way. Your arguments are based on ignoring any negative result. Apparently, we have very different notions of what constitutes "honesty." As far as I have been led to understand, the concept of "Qi" is an important one in TCM. I have tried very hard to get you to give an explanation of what "Qi" is that is consistent with what web pages on TCM say it is, and you apparently gave up. *If* Qi is important in TCM, then any honest discussion of TCM must necessarily consider what Qi is and whether there is any evidence for its existence. If not, then why not say so up front? Running away when the going gets tough in a discussion that you invited hardly matches my notion of what constitutes an "honest" discussion, but then again, our notions of what constitutes "honesty" seem to be very divergent. :> ?Or are you :> simply intent on proving my point about your obsession with elimination? :> You know, you could say what's really on your mind in the terms in which :> you can most easily express them, i.e., those that would be used by the :> typical four-year-old. ?Don't worry, I can take it. : Hey, if that is the only way to reach you, Richard, I'll go there. : Sphincters seem an ideal food for you, unless you'd consider it : cannibalistic. The typical four-year-old would not use words like "sphincter" or "cannibalistic." But as I said, if you want to indulge in your obsession with elimination, by all means go right ahead. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot." > In article <91511faa-333f-4ce7-9acf-7163ba8df...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > To which of the possible sphincters were you referring in your post, > if not to the anal sphincter? Dude, the reference was to you *Eating* the sphincters, not excreting them. Otherwise, I'd have said something about you excreting them, not eating them. I think you are the one with the elimination fetish. Perhaps seeing Peterb being shown in this phonetic form, "Pee-turb" should have been a clue. > :> Is this the discussion of TCM in which you were so interested? > : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > understanding the concepts of "sarcasm" and "context," or because you > are deliberately distorting what I said? Ah, when caught in the lie you claim your words mean something else! I've distorted nothing. I've cited the original posts. First, you said: "I am not making any assumption of the source. That is why I have *always* treated acupuncture as something "not proven," as opposed to, say, homeopathy. I have never said that I do not believe that acupuncture works, only that *if* it works, it is not by restoring balance to one's Qi. Then, you said: ""what is well known is that acupuncture does not work." If Peterb were to say, "what is well known is that *aspirin* does not work.", you wouldn't say that, Peterb's knowledge always expands, and it could be that one day, what was "known" at the time that he wrote that message will turn out to have been wrong. Nope. If Jan Drew had said, "what is well known about Jews is that they don't work", you wouldn't be saying that remark was not bigoted, that it merely reflected her current state of knowledge about Jews. Not withstanding your repeated denials, you clearly lied. You won't even admit it to yourself because you like to write pompous drivel like this: " Whatever else one can say about me, at least I have never had to resort to lies to support my arguments." No one has disproven that better than yourself, Richard. As for Acupuncture vis-a-vis homeopathy, Well, you've this "It was "clearly known" that acupuncture "works" in the same sense that it was "clearly known" that homeopathy "works," that is, for sufficiently poorly defined values of "clearly known" and "works." For those of us who actually are willing to apply critical thinking skills to the matter, it is not at all "clearly known" that acupuncture "works," for whatever values of "clearly," "known," and "works" one chooses to apply." You could make the claim that you forget everything you post, but that doesn't explain how you disown those words when cited from the archive. Face it Richard, no matter how you try to spin it, you are clearly hoisted by your own petard, that petard being called "dishonesty". > : You mean the one where you say that I've cited webpages, but the truth > : is that they were the ones you cited? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > efficacy is made by supporters of both methods, the claim as stated > is meaningless. You completely snipped the part where I |
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