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I believe that there are posters on this forum that have associations to special interst groups to present a biased agenda

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Ilena Rose - 07 Apr 2008 16:44 GMT
Good morning ...

I have little time at this moment ... but wanted to post my opinion
here.

Evidence is clear that people on this list ... many familiar and many
who have used aliases ... are members of this Snake-oil Posse ... and
post Pro-Vaccination Industry propaganda throughout the internet.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
They also post chemical and med device industry propaganda ... as the
PR teams are funded by pharma, med device, and other related
industries trying to augment their images.

To Myrl:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html

Myrl Jeffcoat made these claims:

"I absolutely am not paid to post here.  I am not on the payroll of
any pharmaseudical company, or any entity tied to medicine or health
care in anyway."

Note from Ilena: There is no way to verify this at this moment. You
could be on the payroll of the plaintiffs attorneys and / or the Tort
Committee ... you used to expose them and since 2001 ... all your ire
goes against me and those you claim are 'quacks.' You may be downright
lying as when you denied you were "Will Ketcher." There are many ways
industry filters money to their supporters and defenders ... and even
Barrett refuses to admit when he is paid by industry. One prime
example is his MCS series for ACSH which is funded by the chemical
industry ... but he has blatantly refuse to admit these connections
... much like you are doing now.

"Even though I have often been labeled a "pharma shill" because of
think the benefits of vaccines, far outweigh the risks."  Myrl
Jeffcoat April 3, 2008  10:25 pm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Note from Ilena:

The second is clearly and with no doubt a false statement ... in fact
he is pure and utter Quackwatch Logic.

You have been labeled a "pharma shill" and a "vaccination shill" for
these reasons:

1. In 2001 ... you did a 180 degree spinner and went from being a part
of a lawsuit against Patrick O'leary, silicone exec
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/patrickoleary.htm

 ... to being one of his greatest supporters & defenders.

2.Simultanously you removed the silicone webring (that was in place,
cost you nary a penny, connected women harmed by breast implants) ...
whose removal only benefitted the breast implant industry. Embedding
the industry 'viewpoint' coming out of the mouth of an 'insider' such
as yourself ... is an extension of the 'network' the PR industry junk
science campaign.

3. You also removed support webpages, a great expose compilation of
the history of Steve Milloy and the Junk Science Propaganda campaign
... sme of it the last vestiges on the web.

The tobacco and breast implant junk science purveyors benefitted by
your nuking this page. I have retrieved it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010211082334/http://www.webstarmagic.com/wisletter.htm
The early funding of this campaign.

4. You began harassing and spreading lies and viscious 'rumors' about
me ... I found one that you wrote just days after O'leary won his
appeal and you your devotion. YOU became the Queen of Judgment ... and
the "I Hate Ilena Rosenthal & You Should Too" Campaign kicked off into
a whole new level with you being the interrogator and rumor spreader.

You took the role as speaker for 'many' ... and often discussed 'we'
when it is clear that you were attached to several members of
Barrett's "Snake-oil Posse" ... and to date, not one woman has written
me and told me they supported your attacks on me. To the contrary, it
has been speculated that the Barrett and O'leary saw in you hyper
jealousy ... a need for male attention ... one whose opinion could be
'traded' by a little glory ... and who knew the tricks of the industry
... and would use them against me.

Just before this attack ... that was actually your projecting YOURSELF
onto me ... Judge Richmond had issue a scathing defeat to Snake-oil
Barrett, Grell & Polevoy ... and they were out to destroy me by
whatever means possible ... and your campaign mirrored theirs 100000%.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm

Many?  Yes, with O'leary and Polevoy whispering in your ear, and
others from this team ... you got to be the Torch Bearer for the Hate
Campaign Against me!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_frm/thread/b403
9884fb3521df/2519baf1e8da6220?lnk=gst&q=author%3Amyrl+cocaine+ilena#2519baf1e8da
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August 14, 2001 9:01 pm Myrl Jeffcoat
Excerpt:  Many think it has been created and
perpetuated, to help you justify your existence, but more importantly
to perpetuate the image by others, of "those crazy silicone women."
Ironically, it has been rumored that you are a cocaine addict, and
that may account for your paranoia, rages, and uncontrollable
obsessive behavior.  

~~~~~~~~~~

5. I'll continue the reasons for calling you a Vac Shill later ... a
few are your outrageous claims for Gardasil ... using every industry
scare monger tactic and minimizing the deaths as if they were silly
... and repeating the Aluminium cover-up vaccination lies as gospel.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html
Being updated ... at top are some of her outrageous Gardasil claims.
She also has been advertising for Wal Mart.

6. You are definitely a Quackwatch Shill ... whether you volunteer or
not.

You post Barrett's website and repeat their anti-alt claims verbatim
... screaming QUACK QUACK at those he hates ... as if homeopathy was
the most dangerous substance in the world and vaccinations harmless.
Yoiu have historically attacked support group leaders who chose to
offer products by MLM and treated them like axe murderers. This is a
continuation of the Pharma anti-MLM campaign Barrett wages.

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm

Thank you.
Myrl - 07 Apr 2008 18:44 GMT
Ilena - Your opinion is just about as good as your
credibility. . .Zip, zero, nada!

As for your ridiculous claims, I'll address as follows:  I will
happily turn over my tax returns to any independent auditor, for the
purpose of satisfying any entity, who wishes to establish where my
employment is and has come from, as long as that interested party is
willing to pay for the audit.

As I have stated before, I do not work for any of the parties you
claim I have.  I most certainly don't work for any pharmaseudical
companies, or attorneys on any side of this issue.

To the contrary I have written statements, which have been presented
to the FDA panel hearings on the my belief that silicone breast
implants have harmed women.

It is true I believe the benefit of vaccines to save lives from
disease, far outweigh the risks.

As an example, you continue to tout your 7 unproven associated deaths
to the Gardasil vaccine, while totally ignoring that 250,000 - 290,000
women die globally each year from Cervical Cancer.  70+% percent,
being caused by the HPV virus, which Gardasil protects against.

As for the "Will Ketcher" moniker, you, Ilena Rosenthal, continued to
lie, abuse, and post libelous and defamatory material on your non-
profit webpages, and archived on to this newsgroup, stating that Mark
was posting as Will Ketcher.  If Will Ketcher proved one thing on
newsgroups, it was that Ilena Rosenthal very often lies, when she
states as fact, that she knows who is posting behind certain screen
names.

Ilena Rosenthal has never apologized to Mark for her years of lying
about him, nor has she taken down the abusive and hate-filled webpage
on him.  Nor has she removed the page she has "devoted" to his wife,
when she didn't see life through Ilena Rosenthal's warped perceptions.

As for doing a 180 degree turn regarding O'Leary, let's tell this
story the way it actually was, rather than through the skewed
perceptions of Ilena Rosenthal.

It is true that I actually wrote a Statement for Ilena Rosenthal to
take into the courts for litigation against O'Leary.  During the time
of that litigation, Ilena had a "grouplet" of about 20 women or so,
which I was part of.

When Ilena ultimately lost to O'Leary, and O'Leary was awarded his
legal costs, Ilena did what Ilena does best, she went on another
tirade and rampage here on newsgroups.  I had been absent for many
years from newsgroups, not really finding them productive or
worthwhile - choosing to use a private newslist instead to communicate
with like-minded individuals in the breast implant survivor community.

Ilena continued to "encourage" the women within her grouplet to come
to this newsgroup as well as as the ASBI newsgroup to do battle with
O'Leary and others.  Finally when several grouplet members did come to
newsgroups once again, we were appalled at what we saw in Ilena
Rosenthal's behavior.  We immediately began to understand that Ilena
as a self-described advocate of women harmed by breast implants, was
doing irrepairable damage to our image, and was a PR nightmare.  The
fact that Ilena has never had implants, or breast cancer, was like
rubbing salt in the wounds.

It was there and then, that I realized that association with Ilena was
sheer detriment to the silicone women.

Many of us tried to persuade Ilena to tone down her rhetoric, and to
act in a more professional manner.  We of course all failed.  I was
awarded one of Ilena's "sh.t pages" because I wasn't mirroring her war-
mongering agenda for advocacy.

Later Coleah, who had for many years acted as Peace Maker on
newsgroups, had a difference of opinion with Ilena about the "threat"
that Andy Langer was to breast implant women.  Andy had also tried to
attempt peace on this board.  It was also about that time, that
another person decided to bring an anti-Bush/Iraw War soap box to
newsgroups.  Because Coleah didn't lockstep with that view, and
because Andy Langer was not seen as a threat to silicone women, Coleah
was then "gifted" her own "sh.t page" by Ilena.

Ilena, your lack of capacity for truth, knows no end.

I'm glad you continue to bring this stuff up - it provides a clearer
picture of who you are, and what you are all about.

As I sit here today, I think the very next person, who could very well
be in peril of receiving one of Ilena Rosenthal's "sh.t pages" could
very well be Debbee Adams.  Debbee, sounds a tad like Coleah and I in
the past, when we were hoping to calm down Ilena Rosenthal, and bring
some form of peace to newsgroups.

Alas, it wasn't to be. . .but PEACE anyway!

http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
Bee - 08 Apr 2008 00:06 GMT
> As I sit here today, I think the very next person, who could very well
> be in peril of receiving one of Ilena Rosenthal's "sh.t pages" could
> very well beDebbeeAdams.  Debbee, sounds a tad like Coleah and I in
> the past, when we were hoping to calm down Ilena Rosenthal, and bring
> some form of peace to newsgroups.

I agree to the peace---I am clueless as why peace does not exist.
Agreeing
to disagree is what makes America such a wonderful democracy and keeps
our 1st amendment rights secure.  Discussion is one thing, cramming
down
information that is biased is another.  We are all adults here and we
can make
judgments about healthcare choices for ourselves.

We need to figure out how to how to keep the peace, all of this
unnecessary
arguing is not doing anyone's health any good---who needs the stress?
I'm
about to take a siesta from posting for awhile if we cannot figure out
a way
to stop the insults and bullying.

Alternative health topics are great, and that is the reason I come
here to
learn about them pro and con.   I do not come here to hear yelling
and
screaming, and name calling, and conversing with sock puppets.  If I
want to do that I could always talk to my flowers!
D. C. Sessions - 08 Apr 2008 02:58 GMT
> I agree to the peace---I am clueless as why peace does not exist.

Because it requires that *everyone* want it.
It only takes one to veto a peace.

> Agreeing
> to disagree is what makes America such a wonderful democracy and keeps
> our 1st amendment rights secure.

The principle that intelligent, informed persons of good
will may still disagree is the fundamental axiom of
democracy.  That may well be the #1 reason for people to
hate democracy.

Once you give up on that principle, you're back to the
Three Laws of Holy Warriors.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 08 Apr 2008 04:09 GMT
> The principle that intelligent, informed persons of good
> will may still disagree is the fundamental axiom of
> democracy.  That may well be the #1 reason for people to
> hate democracy.

I was emailed this website today---it was an interesting read, on how
our
America is changing.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/177.html
Jan Drew - 08 Apr 2008 01:34 GMT
> Ilena - Your opinion is just about as good as your
> credibility. . .Zip, zero, nada!

Myrl's credibility

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e06fe90599f15e32

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/aa906fbbbd1a034a
 
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