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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / April 2008The Charter for This Newsgroup
http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative This is what the forefather of this newsgroup saw as the "Charter" for MHA and how it was based upon. Please note: Non-Technical Consumer Newsgroup. "GENERAL NON TECHNICAL." (PRO and CON). CHARTER ------- misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western scientific medicine. Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture, Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy, ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology, macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy, natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy, radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine (Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga. Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a generally non-technical consumer level discussion group. - Is it possible now not to understand the need for peace in here? > http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.heal... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Is it possible now not to understand the need for peace in here? Postings of this nature have been made before, this will neither change the nature of the posting here nor the need for technical posting which are few and far between and not a threat to anything. It is the details that we judge any of the proposed alternative or conventional treatment modalities useful or not. I grant it would be nice if Jan and Mark Thorson would just quit calling each other names. But this will not happen. The party has been going on for a decade plus and the noise to signal ratio seems largely unchanged even as the player names change. Trig <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7b5b4dd0-357f-42dc-9fe7-ebd8559078b0@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Apr 5, 1:20 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.heal... > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Is it possible now not to understand the need for peace in here? Postings of this nature have been made before, this will neither change the nature of the posting here nor the need for technical posting which are few and far between and not a threat to anything. It is the details that we judge any of the proposed alternative or conventional treatment modalities useful or not. I grant it would be nice if Jan and Mark Thorson would just quit calling each other names. But this will not happen. The party has been going on for a decade plus and the noise to signal ratio seems largely unchanged even as the player names change. Trig Yes, it can happen. Mark Thorson can quit repeating the repeated, repeatedly. > Yes, it can happen. Mark Thorson can quit repeating the repeated, > repeatedly. Jan, you always start it. You cannot expect me to sit passively when you attack me with false accusations. That is exactly how you invoke the pummeling you so richly deserve. You may wish that you could get away with such defamation with impunity, but that isn't going to happen. If you don't like that, tough cookies. > Jan, you always start it. You cannot expect me to sit > passively when you attack me with false accusations. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > If you don't like that, tough cookies. You may wish to review Stanford University's policy dated 12/15/2005 on "Computer and Network Usage Policy." It would appear that many of your posts have originated using their resources and/or equipment including this post you just made. I think it is important for all of us to resume the "peace talks" and get back to the topic of this newsgroup. Thank you for your time. > > Jan, you always start it. You cannot expect me to sit > > passively when you attack me with false accusations. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Thank you for your time. Interesting policy from Stanford University and certainly a policy that makes sense and should be strictly enforced. With this forum being a non-technical forum, maybe the protocals of serious scientists do not apply here. Paid special interest posters that roam this news group may be free to post their propoganda without disclosure that is routine in the scientific circles but violently opposed here. That said, I urge all reader to exercise caution: Beware of an agenda that may NOT be in your best interest when reading some of these posts.You cannot know who they are coming from or what affiliation or interest they may have. Thus, a very biased view may be presented. I will back off on my request for disclosure since it clearly will not happen. It is something that I am used to in scientific circles andexpected other scientists to understand and do the same. Apparently there is a reason that they will not and it took my some time to understand the severe resistance by some on this forum. Quite hostile about it they were. > Interesting policy from Stanford University and certainly a policy > that makes sense and should be strictly enforced. It pretty much holds true for other universities and colleges because they are publicly funded, and also are getting government funds. > > Interesting policy from Stanford University and certainly a policy > > that makes sense and should be strictly enforced. > > It pretty much holds true for other universities and colleges because > they are publicly > funded, and also are getting government funds. I suppose that violators of the policy will be dealt with quite harshly as it should be. > I suppose that violators of the policy will be dealt with quite > harshly as it should be. I am not going to say anything. > > I suppose that violators of the policy will be dealt with quite > > harshly as it should be. > > I am not going to say anything. You just did! > That said, I urge all reader to exercise caution: Beware of an agenda > that may NOT be in your best interest when reading some of these > posts.You cannot know who they are coming from or what affiliation or > interest they may have. Thus, a very biased view may be presented. You know, it's awfully nice of you to warn people about yourself, PeterB, and others like you. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <3d03dcd7-43d8-4e85-b23f-b218e6960...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Everybody should evalute for themselves what I say even after full disclosure of my credentials and affiliations. They should carefully evaluate posts by EVERYONE. Don't you agree? > Everybody should evalute for themselves what I say even after full > disclosure of my credentials > and affiliations. ... and panicked refusal to put your own words into practice. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <b2691885-8066-49b8-a2d3-d666ca6d0...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ What?????????? LOL >> In message <b2691885-8066-49b8-a2d3-d666ca6d0...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What?????????? Oh, dear -- his mind has finally gone completely. Would someone else care to take a turn reminding him? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <4e22b75b-8db8-4fb1-8c05-0ea125612...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ You have posted such a huge amount of B,S, I have lost track of all of your sh.t. > You have posted such a huge amount of B,S, I have lost track of all of > your sh.t.- Hide quoted text - The problem being, it went right over your head---if you stuck to the topic of alternative health, you would clearly understand the thinking. As far as sh.t goes -- try Hulda Clark's regime of examing one's own poop---you may see that all that glitters is not necessarily gold. >> You have posted such a huge amount of B,S, I have lost track of all of >> your sh.t.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > poop---you may see that all that > glitters is not necessarily gold. Whose post were you replying to? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <4e22b75b-8db8-4fb1-8c05-0ea125612...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Oh, dear -- his mind has finally gone completely. > Would someone else care to take a turn reminding him? Gladly. You've offered him the opportunity to send a forensic accountant through your financial records to see if you have any such ties to the pharmaceutical industry. You've sweetened the pot by offering to pay for the accountant and donate $2000.00 to the non- profit of his choice. Not surprisingly, he prefers his baseless suspicions to this objective review of the facts. I wonder if he'd be so kind as to offer the same to prove that he hasn't been sent here by big pharma to make pro-alts seem like dolts. After all, when asked why he hasn't contributed to the discussion of health alternatives, he replied "In due time". Hmmm, no interest in discussing health alternatives, just the identities of the participants..... http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/310f078a14cdb3e5 <snip for brevity> No, you don't. And I don't have to prove my /bona/ /fides/ either -- but you've been pissing all over the newsgroup about your superior moral position and the degraded state of anyone daring to disagree with you. I'm calling your bluff -- and you're weaseling. To repeat: a licensed CPA to go over my financial records for the last five years, including tax returns, bank and investment statements. If there is any trace of a business relationship between me and any pharmaceutical company other than as a customer, I pay for the CPA and $2000 to the alt-health nonprofit of your choice. If not, you pay $2000 to the ACSH and pay for the CPA. Said CPA to hold the stakes. If you're as sure as you've been posting, you'd jump at the chance. <snip for brevity> > -- > | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ On Apr 6, 3:31 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > In message <4e22b75b-8db8-4fb1-8c05-0ea125612...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > offering to pay for the accountant and donate $2000.00 to the non- > profit of his choice. Stupid suggestion and not necessary. Why not try something simpler that does not take tme buy simply answering the questions. > Not surprisingly, he prefers his baseless suspicions to this objective > review of the facts. Not baseless unless disclosed I wonder if he'd be so kind as to offer the same I have already in full detail. Go find it. > to prove that he hasn't been sent here by big pharma to make pro-alts > seem like dolts. After all, when asked why he hasn't contributed to > the discussion of health alternatives, he replied "In due time". > Hmmm, no interest in discussing health alternatives, just the > identities of the participants..... When given the time and not dealing with all of you I have a lot to ioffer oin alternatve medicine both pro and con. I have repeatedly said so but upi cannot read. > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/310f078a14... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about your superior moral position and the degraded state > of anyone daring to disagree with you. Projection. You must assume that I am morally superior to you as Y have neve implied or stated that.Sill statement you make. > I'm calling your bluff -- and you're weaseling.> No, just keeping it as simple as it should be. You have complicated it to make it crzy to do as you proposed. On the contrary, you are weaseling out of answering. > To repeat: a licensed CPA to go over my financial records > for the last five years, including tax returns, bank and > investment statements. If there is any trace of a business > relationship between me and any pharmaceutical company > other than as a customer, I pay for the CPA and $2000 to > the alt-health nonprofit of your choice. You ae complicating the issue in order to avoid the issue by your adsurd recommendations. > If not, you pay $2000 to the ACSH and pay for the CPA. > Said CPA to hold the stakes. Just answere and it is over and easy. You must like complexity and difficulty. Plus you moss the point of the whole disclosure issue. > If you're as sure as you've been posting, you'd jump > at the chance. I do not jump at stupid ideas that make absolutely no sense when a much easier method is available. Continue the evasive tacticts that you were taught. > <snip for brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > On Apr 6, 3:31 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Continue the evasive tacticts that you were taught. Will you really say anything that stupid without being paid to do so? It is only in the Bizzaro universe where one can be accused of evasion after inviting a forensic account into one's financial records. > > <snip for brevity> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Apr 6, 4:24 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Apr 6, 3:31 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Your idiotic post deserves no answer. You are so obvious in your post that it is a giggle, > On Apr 6, 4:24 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > - Show quoted text - D.C. Will not even reveal basic disclosure information but focuses instead on an absurd CPA process. All very bizzare but of course you can not see that or are simply a prt of it all. > > Your idiotic post deserves no answer. > > You are so obvious in your post that it is a giggle,- Hide quoted text - Please re-read the charter---about insulting behavior. Thank you. > > > Your idiotic post deserves no answer. > > > You are so obvious in your post that it is a giggle,- Hide quoted text - > > Please re-read the charter---about insulting behavior. > > Thank you. I will Bee.You are right on this one. No need for it. Cosider my wrist slapped. However I was just reciting what was originally directed at me numerous times.Still, it is not my personality to do so. I woulld love to stick to alternative health. I simply want to know who am talking to, their credentials, and any affililiations. Not very difficult. I guess I need a CPA., the FBI, CIA an act of congress to do so. Or maybe a simple post would work just fine. But that will not happen. If they do not want to disclose normal data, then so be it. However there is an obvious reason other than what has been stated. > I will Bee.You are right on this one. No need for it. Cosider my wrist > slapped. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > maybe a simple post would work just fine. > But that will not happen. I wouldn't really worry about one of those three letter abbreviations being able to help out. I ran into one of those 3 letter abbreviations at Kinkos yesterday while working on a presentation. He is a Christian. It is kind of like reverse discrimination in here. Everyone wants rights but they don't want anyone else to have rights unless ofcourse the rights are theirs and we all have to go by their rules. I'll be attending an alternative health conference in May. I was going to attend one in Iowa City, IA but that is only on massage. I'm not a massage therapist so that one doesn't make a lot of sense. This one is for healthcare choice, freedom to choose, and it actually is a rally. There are three locations across the country hosting the same rally on the same weekend. Las Vegas, Nevada, Houston, Texas, and Kansas City, Missouri. Haven't made up my mind which one would be better. I have friends in all locations. Met a woman yesterday whose husband's practice had been shut down by the Board. Similar story to the rest of them. He is getting into another career; massage therapy. I like the story that was in the news about the paid bloggers. There was a conference a while back about limiting the information being presented or posted on the internet. I read it on the internet. Pretty sad when people try to limit what people write, and what they read. I thought America was a democracy. On Apr 6, 4:24 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 6, 4:17 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Your idiotic post deserves no answer. You are so obvious in your post that it is a giggle, LOL!! So much for the MHA Charter. On Apr 6, 12:31 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Gladly. You've offered him the opportunity to send a forensic > accountant through your financial records to see if you have any such > ties to the pharmaceutical industry. You've sweetened the pot by > offering to pay for the accountant and donate $2000.00 to the non- > profit of his choice. What would an acupuncture therapist be so interested in all of this? Unless ofcourse he really isn't the acupuncture therapist that he claims he is--or is he? > Oh, dear -- his mind has finally gone completely. > Would someone else care to take a turn reminding him? > > It would appear that the Artificial intelligence that Professor John McCarthy gave you, needs a new battery. I wonder if his buddy, Mark Thorson has an alternative battery for your use. > > > Jan, you always start it. You cannot expect me to sit > > > passively when you attack me with false accusations. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > time to understand the severe resistance by some on this forum. Quite > hostile about it they were. Posting 2 and 3 by Jan and Mark Thorson prove my case along with the 1000's of others by the duo. We all have some bias. Most here are overly committed to one side or another. Of course, I am the exception;-) Some must paid or at least be on pensions and have lots of free time. <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message news:22e79b05-912d-4550-9ccf-7b3e22f4a6de@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Apr 5, 8:20 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > On Apr 5, 10:10 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > time to understand the severe resistance by some on this forum. Quite > hostile about it they were. Posting 2 and 3 by Jan and Mark Thorson prove my case along with the 1000's of others by the duo. == Could you please address *Who starts it*? Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 100 of about 1,370 for "Mark Thorson" group:misc.health.alternative author:jdrew63929@aol.com Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 48 of 48 for "Mark Thorson" group:misc.health.alternative insubject:Mark insubject:Thorson author:Ladylollipop@insightbb.com Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 88 of 88 from Jan 1, 1997 to Apr 7, 2008 for "Mark Thorson" group:misc.health.alternative author:JanD@insightbb.com Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 100 of 502 for "Mark Thorson" group:misc.health.alternative author:jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net Total 2008 Web Results 1 - 10 of about 43,700 for "Jan Drew" group:misc.health.alternattive author:nospam@sonic.net. (0.31 seconds) We all have some bias. Most here are overly committed to one side or another. Of course, I am the exception;-) Some must paid or at least be on pensions and have lots of free time. === I am not paid to post here. I am retired after 38 years of owning and directing two day care centers. Not including in my search was ye ole famous Quoting from the ORIGINAL. (hatred--Catholics--Jews--HAR HAR HAR--garbage,etc.) >> Yes, it can happen. Mark Thorson can quit repeating the repeated, >> repeatedly. > > Jan, you always start it. That must be the BIGGEST lie you have ever told. |
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