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Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2008 00:33 GMT
http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/150/

http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2008/04/abuse-of-process-blogge
r-unrelated-to.html


A citizen journalist is under attack for expressing her views.

Why are David Kirby and Dan Olmsted silent?
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2008 02:48 GMT
Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
He was silent.
Myrl - 05 Apr 2008 03:35 GMT
>  Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> He was silent.

Jan - Why would it be of interest to you or anyone on this newsgroup,
that Mark may have been an attorney - or may not have been an
attorney?

You are focused on something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with
misc.health.alternative.  Mark has never solicited business, given
legal advice, or anything of that nature on this board.

You have no proof that our Mark Probert is the Mark Probert you wish
to discredit for something that has to do with folks here.

None of this has anything to do with you Jan?  Should we start airing
your dirty laundry on this board???

At some point Jan, you need to ask Jesus if you should be a part of
the problem - or part of the solution.  I think you know the answer to
that.  You should consider demonstrating it!
Bee - 05 Apr 2008 03:49 GMT
> You have no proof that our Mark Probert is the Mark Probert you wish
> to discredit for something that has to do with folks here.

I agree Myrl, I'm tired of hearing that old recording.  However,
something was
posted a while back that verified the information.  It wasn't Mark
that posted it,
and I hardly think that there are two Mark S. Proberts  with the same
information
living in the same area married to the same name.

It is old hearing about it.  It's like a warped 45 that doesn't play
well after it has been
played to death or left out in the sun.

Speaking of which, do you know if you leave an old 33-1/3 (the old
kind from the 40's) out in the hot sun,
that you can mold it into a interesting planter?   I thought someone
might be interested in this recycling tip
for those old collectors of Doris Day records that they don't know
what to do with!
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2008 05:13 GMT
On Apr 4, 6:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> He was silent.

Jan - Why would it be of interest to you or anyone on this newsgroup,
that Mark may have been an attorney - or may not have been an
attorney?

Oh, just the simple fact he lied over and over.
I would think that you would not want lying on this newsgroup.
But wait....YOU are also one.

You have no proof that our Mark Probert is the Mark Probert you wish
to discredit for something that has to do with folks here.

There you go lying, again.

In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a
Suspended Attorney, Respondent.
Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner.

92-02731

SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT

183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747

November 9, 1992, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY:   [***1]

Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the
Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on
February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme
Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S.
Probert.

DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline
upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is
granted; and it is further,

HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings

Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to
cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance
Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.

COUNSEL:

Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.

JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.

Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and
it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately,
the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken
from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,

Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's
rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned
attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2]  Law § 90, the respondent,
Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from
practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or
employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or
counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission
or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to
the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4)
from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and
counselor-at-law.

OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.

OPINION:  [*282]

[**747]  By decision and order of this Court dated September 29,
1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the
further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4,
1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and
prosecute a disciplinary proceeding  [*283]  against the respondent
and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee.

[**748]  A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon
the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The
petitioner now moves to hold the [***3]  respondent in default. The
motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992.
The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the
default motion.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately

Source:

NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT

Currency Status:

ARCHIVE RECORD

NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION

Name:

MARK PROBERT

Date Of Birth:

11/XX/1946

Gender:

MALE

Address:

1698 WEBSTER AVE

MERRICK, NY 11566

County:

NASSAU

Phone:

516-968-5572

EMPLOYER INFORMATION

Employer:

MARK S PROBERT ESQ

Organization:

PERSON

LICENSING INFORMATION

Licensing Agency:

NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION

License/Certification Type:

ATTORNEY

License Number:

1253889

Issue Date:

00/00/1978

License Status:

DISBARRED

License State:

NY

From:  Mark Probert - view profile
Date:  Sun, Feb 11 2001 4:17 pm
Email:   Mark Probert <markpr...@my-deja.com>
Groups:   k12.chat.teacher

Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday).

==

If you care to look, you will find Mark himself posting with Mark S Probert
Merrick, NY
at the bottom of his posts.
Myrl - 05 Apr 2008 05:38 GMT
> There you go lying, again.

Now Jan, you must remember that you backed up claims that Mark Probert
was posting as Will Ketcher too.  It went on for well over 4 years.
Who was lying then Jan???

Again, I ask you the question, what business is it of your's, to be
posting whether Mark was an attorney, was not attorney, or was an
attorney - but is no longer an attorney.

It has absolutely nothing to do with this board!  It's none of your
business.

You really don't want us to start digging up you dirty laundry, and
airing it here on this board do you Jan!

You really need to take all this up with Jesus. . .and if not Jesus,
think - What would Scooby Doo???
The One True Zhen Jue - 05 Apr 2008 14:19 GMT
> > There you go lying, again.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> You really need to take all this up with Jesus. . .and if not Jesus,
> think - What would Scooby Doo???

Scooby wouldn't crap in a bucket and search through the contents, that
is fo' shizzle!
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2008 22:01 GMT
On Apr 4, 9:13 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
[quoted text clipped - 189 lines]
> Merrick, NY
> at the bottom of his posts.
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2008 12:23 GMT
> >  Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> > He was silent.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> the problem - or part of the solution.  I think you know the answer to
> that.  You should consider demonstrating it!

Myrl, please focus on my original post. That is a serious matter
affecting everyone.
Myrl - 05 Apr 2008 14:31 GMT
> > >  Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> > > He was silent.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mark - The second link is to a webpage that seems down this morning.
I read most of the first linked page.  I don't have a background in
law, and I've awaken with a headache, so digesting the info is a tad
difficult for me this morning.  What is your analysis of this?

You can email me privately, if you like.
Bee - 05 Apr 2008 19:48 GMT
> Mark - The second link is to a webpage that seems down this morning.
> I read most of the first linked page.  I don't have a background in
> law, and I've awaken with a headache, so digesting the info is a tad
> difficult for me this morning.  What is your analysis of this?
>
> You can email me privately, if you like.

Myrl, you are right, the second link to the webpage does not work at
all.
It is like "stuck."   It wants to open but it cannot---where's the
crowbar?

It would be good to put the information all out here.
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2008 23:25 GMT
> > Mark - The second link is to a webpage that seems down this morning.
> > I read most of the first linked page.  I don't have a background in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> It is like "stuck."   It wants to open but it cannot---where's the
> crowbar?

I see that it does not work. When I posted it, it worked. Weird.

> It would be good to put the information all out here.

I have with other links.
Jan Drew - 05 Apr 2008 22:05 GMT
> "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 4, 6:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 190 lines]
> Merrick, NY
> at the bottom of his posts.
Bee - 05 Apr 2008 22:22 GMT
 blah blah blah

Here is the Charter for this newsgroup.......what does Probert's law
career have to do with the charter?

http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative

CHARTER
-------

misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
scientific medicine.

Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
(Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

May happiness and health be with you!
--
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2008 23:26 GMT
>   blah blah blah
>
> Here is the Charter for this newsgroup.......what does Probert's law
> career have to do with the charter?

Let's restate that...

What does anyone's career have to do with the group?

> http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.heal...
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> May happiness and health be with you!
> --
D. C. Sessions - 06 Apr 2008 00:56 GMT
> What does anyone's career have to do with the group?

Silly, it's another way to shut people up and divert
discussion from the nominal subject of the group.

You can tell who doesn't want to discuss "alternative
medicine" by who keeps bringing it up.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Mark Probert - 06 Apr 2008 02:44 GMT
> In message <7b9acd88-156b-491c-970e-61cb750bb...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You can tell who doesn't want to discuss "alternative
> medicine" by who keeps bringing it up.

Silly me. I guess I have to stop using logic and facts.
D. C. Sessions - 06 Apr 2008 03:01 GMT
>> In message <7b9acd88-156b-491c-970e-61cb750bb...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark Probert wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Silly me. I guess I have to stop using logic and facts.

Just bow down and you won't have to wander, exiled.
You can return to the (totally vegan) fleshpots of Woo.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Jan Drew - 07 Apr 2008 02:39 GMT
On Apr 5, 7:56 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message
> <7b9acd88-156b-491c-970e-61cb750bb...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> You can tell who doesn't want to discuss "alternative
> medicine" by who keeps bringing it up.

Silly me. I guess I have to stop using logic and facts.

Yeah, you are certainly silly.  When do you plan to start?
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2008 08:07 GMT
> In message
> <7b9acd88-156b-491c-970e-61cb750bbcfd@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Mark
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> You can tell who doesn't want to discuss "alternative
> medicine" by who keeps bringing it up.

There's another keeper.

> +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-September 7, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t
09-07...@lambercartel.com>

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 10, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
07-10...@lymbercartel.com>

From: M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 30, 2004
(M.a.r.k_P.r.o.b.e.r.t_04-30...@limbercartel.com)
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2008 08:03 GMT
On Apr 5, 5:22 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 2:05 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> blah blah blah
>
> Here is the Charter for this newsgroup.......what does Probert's law
> career have to do with the charter?

Let's restate that...

What does anyone's career have to do with the group?

"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed2664b9-bb41-49a7-ad72-2a00b468fa24@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b46c230d-6020-4e22-916d-171120e377fa@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.heal...
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> May happiness and health be with you!
> --
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2008 07:56 GMT
On Apr 5, 2:05 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 blah blah blah

I did? lol.

> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:Y%CJj.183$iK6.151@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
[quoted text clipped - 192 lines]
>> Merrick, NY
>> at the bottom of his posts.

Here is the Charter for this newsgroup.......what does Probert's law
career have to do with the charter?

I didn't say it did. I does have to do with lying.
You got a problem with that?

Use your killfile, and do not email me again.

http://www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.health.alternative

CHARTER
-------

misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general non-technical
discussion (pro *and* con) of health care and therapies which are
alternative, complementary, or not commonly accepted by Western
scientific medicine.

Appropriate topics include (but are not limited to): acupuncture,
Alexander technique, alternative cancer therapies, aromatherapy,
ayurveda, chiropractic, color therapy, healing, herbalism, holistic
dentistry, holistic medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, iridology,
macrobiotics, meditation, megavitamin therapy, midwifery, naturopathy,
natural vision improvement (Bates method, etc.), osteopathy,
radiesthesia, reflexology, shiatsu and do-in, traditional medicine
(Arab, Chinese, Native American, etc.), and yoga.

Flames, name-calling, and abusive behavior in general (from either
side) are not welcome, but constructive criticisms and arguments are
encouraged, with the caveat that misc.health.alternative is to be a
generally non-technical consumer level discussion group.

May happiness and health be with you!
--
Bee - 06 Apr 2008 09:25 GMT
> I did? lol.

LOL yourself.
No to the killfile

As with the "same sermon"  I gave Ilena---I'm going to say it again.
all of these messages over and over again, do nothing.    When people
get back to the faqs of the newsgroup and talk about alternative
health care which is really what this newsgroup is all about -- then
people will stop posting the insulting information.   It is simply
"not healthy" which is a component of alternative health thinking to
keep up the with negative thoughts.    This is basically (as the
newsgroup faq says) a non-technical consumer level discussion group.

With the information you posted in the past about the problems that
you had with mercury in the mouth, and you had these removed, and what
a difference it made to your health.  That was alternative thinking --
but it is getting to be more and more widely accepted as being in the
"truth" column.    Remember the you know what you took from people in
this newsgroup and others about that?

And just like with your experience with Hulda Clark, and her
research?  Read the FAQs for this newsgroup.  Look at the crap you
have taken from individuals making fun of your participation in that
research?   You did not have to prove anything to them.  They lacked
in personal experience, and openly made fun of you.  And they continue
to insult about "the bucket."

In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
topic or too insulting they told them to leave.

What are we really fighting for?  We shouldn't be fighting against
each other---we should be fighting for the right to pick whatever form
of healthcare we choose to participate in.  Who cares about that old
Cell Tech lawsuit?  It is done, it is over, and it was 5 years ago.

I apologize for offending you but you've got way better talents and
experiences with alternative healthcare to share than to waste anymore
breath on anything to do with an old Cell Tech lawsuit.  He is not
worth it.  I'd love to hear more about your experiences with Hulda
Clark, and your decisions on choosing to remove your amalgams.

Thank you.
Richard Schultz - 06 Apr 2008 09:37 GMT
: In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
: topic or too insulting they told them to leave.

And this doesn't offend you?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 07 Apr 2008 02:23 GMT
> : In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
> : topic or too insulting they told them to leave.
>
> And this doesn't offend you?

Absolutely not, when some one is disrupting the flow of the newsgroup
by insulting,
and not wanting to stay on topic.  It was Scott B., the guy somehow
connected with
the Health Fraud group-or Quackwatch that did it.
Richard Schultz - 07 Apr 2008 06:00 GMT
:> : In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
:> : topic or too insulting they told them to leave.

:> And this doesn't offend you?

: Absolutely not, when some one is disrupting the flow of the newsgroup
: by insulting,

So you don't mind stifling someone's free speech, if that speech involves
saying something with which you disagree.  Most decent newsreaders have
this neat feature called a "killfile," which makes telling people to leave
totally unnecessary.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 08 Apr 2008 23:45 GMT
> So you don't mind stifling someone's free speech, if that speech involves
> saying something with which you disagree.  Most decent newsreaders have
> this neat feature called a "killfile," which makes telling people to leave
> totally unnecessary.

Ricardo----

When you were in school and had a class in French, and someone started
speaking Spanish in the middle of class instead of French.  The
teacher probably
would have asked them to speak French because it was a French class.
If we use
your logic about this newsgroup, if a person is completely off topic
and someone asks
them to get back on topic, am I understanding correctly then when a
person does this
that you are justified in making the claim that someone is attempting
to stifle one's speech?

The topic is misc.health.alternative.    If someone kept bringing
scientific based medicine, when there
no discussion of alternative health in the thread.    You would think
they would be more at home in a sci.medicine newsgroup where they
clearly have the background.  That's how the poster was showed the
door.
The One True Zhen Jue - 09 Apr 2008 00:28 GMT
> > So you don't mind stifling someone's free speech, if that speech involves
> > saying something with which you disagree.  Most decent newsreaders have
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> that you are justified in making the claim that someone is attempting
> to stifle one's speech?

So, in the case of MHA, where the topic is health alternatives, why
don't you protest all the threads on amalgams, vaccines, etc?
Is bashing conventional medicine strickly necessary or is it off-
topic?

> The topic is misc.health.alternative.    If someone kept bringing
> scientific based medicine, when there
> no discussion of alternative health in the thread.    You would think
> they would be more at home in a sci.medicine newsgroup where they
> clearly have the background.  That's how the poster was showed the
> door.
Bee - 09 Apr 2008 02:01 GMT
On Apr 8, 4:28 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> So, in the case of MHA, where the topic is health alternatives, why
> don't you protest all the threads on amalgams, vaccines, etc?
> Is bashing conventional medicine strickly necessary or is it off-
> topic?

I have addressed this on several occasions and through email.  I must
say that there are individuals that might possibly get their hearing
checked
because it would appear that they have grown deaf!
D. C. Sessions - 06 Apr 2008 15:28 GMT
> In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
> topic or too insulting they told them to leave.

Ah, stifled their frea speach did you?

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 07 Apr 2008 02:24 GMT
> > In the "olden days" on this newsgroup, when someone was completely off
> > topic or too insulting they told them to leave.
>
> Ah, stifled their frea speach did you?

Not me, actually it was Scott B., you know connected with one of the
groups
that you support, either Healthwatch Fraud or whatever it is called,
or Quackwatch.
This was back before I was posting.
Mark Probert - 05 Apr 2008 23:25 GMT
> > > >  Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> > > > He was silent.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here are a few more links:

http://www.overlawyered.com/2008/04/vaccine-lawyer-subpoenas-kathl.html

http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2008/04/vaccine-lawyer-subpoenas-kathl.php

Kathleen writes the Neurodiversity weblog concerning Autism and
acceptance of the diversity of autism.

She has written extensively on the charlatanism in autism treatments,
the Omnibus case, and vaccine-autism litigation. She names names, and
documents everything she writes with meticulous referencing. She is he
mother of a ASD child.

She recently wrote an article about an attorney named Shoemaker who is
reprsenting one of the louder anti-vaccinationists.

Within hours of publishing the article, Shoemaker subpoenaed her in
the case I mentioned. The subpoena is incredibly offensive and you
have to read it to believe it. Kathleen drafted her own motion to
quash, and the judge will rule.

Every legal blog that has addressed this case, and the numbers are
growing daily, has said that the judge (a federal district judge)
should quash the subpoena and sanction Shoemaker.

The purpose of the subpoena is to silence Kathleen. Read the links.
Myrl - 06 Apr 2008 05:45 GMT
> > > > >  Poor, Mark, he had free speech when he was disbarred.
> > > > > He was silent.
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

The sad thing about "science" which has a litigation agenda, is that
it so often misses the real mark.  With autism, vaccines are the
welcome hobgoblin of litigation based science.  Unfortunately, as time
rapidly passes, we are seeing increased numbers of autism cases,
inspite of taking the "suspect" thimerosol or mercury out of childhood
vaccines.

What seems so sad to me, is that loads of time and effort to fund
science to investigate other causes of autism, and especially
treatment thereof, has been wasted by those who are "invested" in
having a litigation based science agenda!  Science and litigation,
often make very bad bed-fellows.

I haven't felt the greatest today, and I've been enjoying time with a
couple of my grandkids.  I did scan one of the articles that you sent
the link to.  I see what you are talking about.  I will try to read it
more in depth tomorrow.
Jan Drew - 06 Apr 2008 08:10 GMT
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