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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Misc. Health.Alternative - the Newsgroup
The father of this newsgroup, "Peter Kaminski" in October 1992 set out a proposal for a formal request for discussion on the creation of a new newsgroup called "Misc.health.alternative," which would be used for the discussion of alternative health care issues. I'm copying the website information so that everyone can read up on the information and learn why this newsgroup was started, and what the intent of the 'father' of this newsgroup had envisioned. What I think is important from the founding father's outlook was that, "flames, name-calling and abusive behavior in general (from either side) will be discouraged, but constructive criticism and arguments will be encouraged, with the caveat that MISC.HEALTH.ALTERNATIVE is to be a generally non-technical discussion group. ("sci.skeptic" or "sci.med" would be more appropriate for extended technical discussions, but technical discussions would be welcome in misc. health.alternative," was well.). Another important point is, "Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required in misc.health.alternative, although posters should keep their credibility in mind. Even though verificability will not be required, posters are urged to post only what they believe to be true, and to post or be prepared to post citations, references, sources, etc." In November 1992, this newsgroup became official, and was created. 16 years in existence!! What I find of interest are the individuals that posted against having this newsgroup here in the first place. In this website, all of the names of those individuals that voted for and against are there. www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce. newgroups/misc/ misc.health.alternative - 48k - Cached - Similar pages There is one name that sticks out in the not in favor of list---a classical musician or musical conductor I believe. Scott Ballantyne. Why is this name familiar? > The father of this newsgroup, "Peter Kaminski" in October 1992 set out > a proposal for a formal request for discussion on the creation of a [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > classical musician or musical conductor I believe. Scott > Ballantyne. Why is this name familiar? Interesting comment, Bee. In MY opinion, when industry learns to "play nice," this place won't be needed any more. Sorry, but I couldn't get the link to work (?) > > There is one name that sticks out in the not in favor of list---a > > classical musician or musical conductor I believe. Scott [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > In MY opinion, when industry learns to "play nice," this place won't > be needed any more. Sorry, but I couldn't get the link to work (?) Here is how I got there, by clicking on this link in the first place-- I went looking for who started this. From kaminski@netcom.com Fri Oct 9 13:29:48 1992 Xref: uunet news ... CHARTER ------- misc.health.alternative is a newsgroup for general ..... V. Schaller" <sdb@ssr.com> Scott Ballantyne <senft@eng.umd.edu> "Matt T. Senft" ... www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce. newgroups/misc/ misc.health.alternative - 48k - Cached - Similar pages > > > There is one name that sticks out in the not in favor of list---a > > > classical musician or musical conductor I believe. Scott [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > <se...@eng.umd.edu> "Matt T. Senft" ...www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce. newgroups/misc/ > misc.health.alternative - 48k - Cached - Similar pages Thanks to you both for clarifying. > Thanks to you both for clarifying. You will absolutely love getting into these OLD archives when the group just started in 1992----it clearly shows about the exchange of ideas was grand. There is even some holistic dentistry, and apparently the father of this newsgroup was not a big fan of vaccinations! Web Results 1 - 10 of about 10,600 for Peter Kaminski+alternative health. (0.30 seconds) Google Groups : misc.health.alternative 8 Clarke Whitehead Dec 28 1992 Welcome to misc.health.alternative! (periodic posting) ... 4 Peter Kaminski Dec 29 1992 War cry of the scientific ... groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/ index/browse_frm/ month/1992-12?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmisc.heal... - 95k - Cached - Similar pages misc.health.alternative | Google Groups Nevertheless, the funds are there, and *somebody* is going to be doing science on the theme of alternative health as a result... -- Peter Kaminski kamin. ... groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/ tree/browse_frm/month/ 1993-08?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmisc.healt... - 121k - Cached - Similar pages More results from groups.google.com » > > Thanks to you both for clarifying. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 1993-08?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmisc.healt... - 121k - Cached - Similar pages > More results from groups.google.com » I guess there would not have been any fabricated personalities on the newsgroup in those days. Who did people not have real discussions with? Did they *not-not* drink Coke Classic? ;) > I guess there would not have been any fabricated personalities on the > newsgroup in those days. Who did people not have real discussions > with? Did they *not-not* drink Coke Classic? ;) It is very interesting, I've gone back over those "no" votes for this newsgroup, and they seem to have come out of the world of music---at mostly educational institutions. What does alternative health care have to do with musicians? > I guess there would not have been any fabricated personalities > on the newsgroup in those days. Who did people not have real [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > world of music---at mostly educational institutions. What does > alternative health care have to do with musicians? The PR project uses false trails whenever it feels the need to conceal more revealing affiliations. They are somewhat less fussy about it these days. > > > There is one name that sticks out in the not in favor of list---a > > > classical musician or musical conductor I believe. Scott [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > <se...@eng.umd.edu> "Matt T. Senft" ...www.faqs.org/ftp/usenet/news.announce. newgroups/misc/ > misc.health.alternative - 48k - Cached - Similar pages Still does not work. Why not use www.tinyurl.com since there seems to be an error in your post. > > The father of this newsgroup, "Peter Kaminski" in October 1992 set out > > a proposal for a formal request for discussion on the creation of a [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > In MY opinion, when industry learns to "play nice," Gee, in my opinion, when the alties begin to "play nice" (by stopping personal attacks, posting private information, contacting spouses and employers, stopping putting people's names in subject lines, etc. etc.) things will change. this place won't > be needed any more. Sorry, but I couldn't get the link to work (?)- Of course, it is an alternative link, and it is missing. > Gee, in my opinion, when the alties begin to "play nice" (by stopping > personal attacks, posting private information, contacting spouses and > employers, stopping putting people's names in subject lines, etc. > etc.) things will change. Laughter is the best medicine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBf38X16KM&feature=related On Mar 29, 5:20 pm, PeterB <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 29, 3:00 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > In MY opinion, when industry learns to "play nice," <Gee, in my opinion, when the alties begin to "play nice" (by stopping personal attacks, posting private information, contacting spouses and employers, stopping putting people's names in subject lines, etc. etc.) things will change.> When are you going to *start* playing nice, Mark? Delivered-To: mark.prob...@gmail.com > Received: by 10.66.239.8 with SMTP id m8cs80233ugh; > Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:53 -0800 (PST) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Message-Id: <20061128160838.3E378DA...@mailserver8.hushmail.com> To: 20061128160838.3E378DA...@mailserver8.hushmail.com Jan Drew wrote: >> Max C. wrote: >>> pmoran wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>> the child care centre was closed down. Why were criminal charges not >>>> laid if these accusations were true? >>>> I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a >>>> point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated >>>> how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet. >>>> Can you withdraw it? >>>> PM >>> You just scored some credibility points in my book, Peter. This is the >>> worst form of a hear-say attack I've ever seen. I applaud you for >>> calling a spade a spade. >>> Mark, at the very LEAST you should require evidence of this person's >>> accusations before considering such a story. If she ran a daycare that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> credibility. >> Gloves off is not the half of it. Jan has no idea what she is in for. >> I have already requested that Google remove this message. I posted it to >> make a point. >> You are the only "ALT" who has demonstrated the slightest bit of ethics, >> with regard to asking Jan to stop the abusive posts. Of course, you >> failed. I rarely guarantee anything when it comes to human behavior, but, >> I could have guaranteed that. >> BTW, I did receive other emails which made this one look mild. >> Those I deleted. > Ye old receiving emails. He deleted it. Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeeeee. If you want war, keep it up. If you want peace, leave me alone. Do not post to or about me. Your choice. I am quite capable of doing both. this place won't > be needed any more. Sorry, but I couldn't get the link to work (?)- Of course, it is an alternative link, and it is missing.
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