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Two year old Baby dies 3 days after MMR jab .....

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Ilena Rose - 28 Mar 2008 23:10 GMT
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=MMR&SEX=&VAX
CNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_D
ATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPOR
T_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY=
&X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DE
ATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=1000&SORTI
NG=ID


VAERS ID    297178      Vaccination Date:    2007-11-07
Age    2.0      Onset Date:    2007-11-10   Days later: 3
Sex    F      Submitted:    2007-11-16
State    TX      Entered:    2007-11-19
   
Life Threatening Illness? No
Died? Yes (date died: 2007-11-12)
Disability? No
Recovered? No
ER or Doctor Visit? No
Hospitalized? No
Current Illness: NONE
Diagnostic Lab Data: Electrolytes with mild dehydrate. Histology shows
acute gastroenteritis and broncho-pneumonia
Previous Vaccinations:
Other Medications: NONE
Preexisting Conditions: PRE-MATURE BIRTH....NO COMPLICATIONS
Vaccination
   
Manufacturer
   
Lot
   
Dose
   
Route
   
Site
DTAP    SANOFI PASTEUR    U2156AA    3    IM    LL
HIBV    SANOFI PASTEUR    UF205AA    3    IM    LL
IPV    SANOFI PASTEUR    Z0873    3    IM    RL
MMR    MERCK & CO. INC.    0706F    0    IM    RL
PNC    WYETH PHARMACEUTICALS, INC    B08702H    3    IM    RL
VARCEL    MERCK & CO. INC.    06084    0    IM    RL
Administered by: UNK     Purchased by: UNK
Symptoms: Blood culture negative Bronchopneumonia Bronchopneumonia
Death Electrolyte imbalance Gastroenteritis Histology Pyrexia
Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on
11/12/2007
Jeff - 29 Mar 2008 00:12 GMT
Do you really read what you post? The baby had the vaccination on Nov.
7th and Died on Nov. 12, *FIVE* days later, not three.

The baby had bronchopneumonia and acute gastroenteritis, two things that
are *not* caused by vaccines. Much more likely than not, this
unfortunate death was caused by bronchopneumonia and acute
gastroenteritis which also caused a "high fever of 48 C [about 118 F]".
Now, do you really think the child had a fever of about 118 F? I don't.

Jeff

> http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=MMR&SEX=&VAX
CNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_D
ATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPOR
T_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY=
&X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DE
ATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=1000&SORTI
NG=ID

>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on
> 11/12/2007
Jan Drew - 29 Mar 2008 20:35 GMT
> Do you really read what you post? The baby had the vaccination on Nov. 7th
> and Died on Nov. 12, *FIVE* days later, not three.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Jeff

Vet Pathol. 1983 Jul ;20 (4):440-9 6623848 (P,S,E,B) Cited:9
The pathology of experimental Corynebacterium equi infection in foals
following intrabronchial challenge.
[My paper] J A Johnson, J F Prescott, R J Markham
Six foals were inoculated intrabronchially with a suspension of
Corynebacterium equi. Six weeks before this challenge, three foals were
vaccinated with a C. equi bacterin. Three foals were unvaccinated controls.
All foals developed a severe bronchopneumonia in the inoculated lung,
indicating that vaccination was not protective. Three foals (two vaccinated,
one control) were killed eight to nine days after infection. One control
died on day 9 with lesions of disseminated intravascular coagulation. The
remaining two foals (one vaccinated, one control) were killed on day 17. C.
equi was cultured in large numbers from affected lung and bronchial lymph
nodes, and in smaller numbers from unaffected lung, spleen, and liver in all
foals. In the 8- to 9-day-old lung lesions, the alveoli were filled with
macrophages, neutrophils, and multinucleate giant cells and most contained
numerous C. equi. The few foci of alveolar necrosis were associated with
groups of bacteria-laden macrophages undergoing degeneration. In the lesions
of 17-day duration, there was extensive parenchymal destruction with little
fibrous tissue reaction. Lesions common to both groups included hyperplastic
bronchiolitis, pulmonary edema, and perivascular lymphocytic cuffs and a
pyogranulomatous lymphadenitis in bronchial nodes. One vaccinated foal had a
microscopic pyogranulomatous colitis. The lesions in the experimentally
infected foals are compared with those in naturally infected foals and
discussed in terms of likely pathogenetic mechanisms involved in C. equi
pneumonia in foals.
Mesh-terms: Animals; Bronchopneumonia :: immunology; Bronchopneumonia ::
microbiology; Bronchopneumonia :: pathology; Bronchopneumonia :: veterinary;
Corynebacterium :: physiology; Corynebacterium Infections :: immunology;
Corynebacterium Infections :: pathology; Corynebacterium Infections ::
veterinary; Epithelium :: ultrastructure; Horse Diseases :: immunology;
Horse Diseases :: microbiology; Horse Diseases :: pathology; Horses; Lung ::
ultrastructure; Necrosis; Phagocytosis; Support, Non-U.S. Gov't;

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:45841

http://www.jem.org/cgi/reprint/62/1/73.pdf

>> http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=MMR&SEX=&VAX
CNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_D
ATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPOR
T_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY=
&X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DE
ATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=1000&SORTI
NG=ID

>>
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>> Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on
>> 11/12/2007
Jeff - 29 Mar 2008 20:51 GMT
>> Do you really read what you post? The baby had the vaccination on Nov.
>> 7th and Died on Nov. 12, *FIVE* days later, not three.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> in naturally infected foals and discussed in terms of likely
> pathogenetic mechanisms involved in C. equi pneumonia in foals.

Thank you for showing in an animal model, vaccines do protect against
all infections, in particular, bronchopneumonia, and that in an animal
model, foals died from infection after being vaccinated, but not from
the vaccination itself. This supports the fact that the vaccines did not
lead to this poor baby's death.

Do you even read what you post? It is clear you don't understand what
you post.

Jeff

> Mesh-terms: Animals; Bronchopneumonia :: immunology; Bronchopneumonia ::
> microbiology; Bronchopneumonia :: pathology; Bronchopneumonia ::
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>>> Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on
>>> 11/12/2007
Jeff - 29 Mar 2008 21:19 GMT
>>> Do you really read what you post? The baby had the vaccination on
>>> Nov. 7th and Died on Nov. 12, *FIVE* days later, not three.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>> infected foals and discussed in terms of likely pathogenetic
>> mechanisms involved in C. equi pneumonia in foals.

I should have started, "Thank you for showing in an animal model,
vaccines do not protect ...."

Sorry for my mistake.

> Thank you for showing in an animal model, vaccines do protect against
> all infections, in particular, bronchopneumonia, and that in an animal
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>>>> Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on
>>>> 11/12/2007
drceephd@insightbb.com - 29 Mar 2008 22:54 GMT
> Do you really read what you post? The baby had the vaccination on Nov.
> 7th and Died on Nov. 12, *FIVE* days later, not three.
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your comments are very confusing considering the VAERS report:
Life Threatening Illness? No

Current Illness: NONE

Diagnostic Lab Data: Electrolytes with mild dehydrate. Histology
shows
acute gastroenteritis and broncho-pneumonia

Preexisting Conditions: PRE-MATURE BIRTH....NO COMPLICATIONS

How could a premie born with no compications, no life threatening
lillness, and no current illness, develop and die of gastroenteritis
and broncho-pneumonia in just a few hours to days?

You stated that the child had the disorders prior to vaccination.

Who is lying here?  You or the doc that filled out the VAERS report?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
Skeptic - 29 Mar 2008 01:20 GMT
Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.

Must have died from fright.
Mark Probert - 29 Mar 2008 16:38 GMT
> Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.
>
> Must have died from fright.

I understand your point. However, do not minimize the fear that some
special needs children develop when it comes to seeing doctors. My
younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
before age 2.
Jan Drew - 29 Mar 2008 20:42 GMT
On Mar 28, 8:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.
>
> Must have died from fright.

I understand your point. However, do not minimize the fear that some
special needs children develop when it comes to seeing doctors. My
younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
before age 2.
=========

Probably at age 1 day when he was shot up.
What a way to greet this world.
Skeptic - 29 Mar 2008 20:56 GMT
Of course I agree that going to a doc can be traumatic for kids.  My kid
wasn't happy about going back after he got stitches put in last visit.  But
that clearly wasn't the point and if we're going to take things so
literally, then I don't know of any child having actually died from fright
of going to a doctor.

On Mar 28, 8:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.
>
> Must have died from fright.

I understand your point. However, do not minimize the fear that some
special needs children develop when it comes to seeing doctors. My
younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
before age 2.
D. C. Sessions - 29 Mar 2008 21:05 GMT
> Of course I agree that going to a doc can be traumatic for kids.  My kid
> wasn't happy about going back after he got stitches put in last visit.  But
> that clearly wasn't the point and if we're going to take things so
> literally, then I don't know of any child having actually died from fright
> of going to a doctor.

Emphasis: "some *special* *needs* children"

> On Mar 28, 8:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
> before age 2.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Mark Probert - 30 Mar 2008 02:03 GMT
Like I said, agreed. However, I have seen several very young special
needs kids who become physically ill at the mention of the doctor's
name. Having one die from fright is not a big stgretch for me.

> Of course I agree that going to a doc can be traumatic for kids.  My kid
> wasn't happy about going back after he got stitches put in last visit.  But
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
> before age 2.
Myrl - 29 Mar 2008 22:39 GMT
> > Two year old baby dies 3 days before MMR vaccination.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> younger son was fully knowledgeable about doctors' offices, etc. way
> before age 2.

I was never really fond of doctors, when I was a kid.  I hadn't had a
vaccination or a shot, until I was in the 4th grade.  I had managed to
get Mumps for the second time (yep, both sides, both times).  The
doctor thought the second time it may be an infection instead.  While
discussing the situation with my mother, I heard only one word of
their conversation - PENNICILIN.  It was enough to catapault me off
the examing table, and out the basement door.  I ran all the way home.

Funny thing - I was over in the old neighborhood a couple of weeks
ago, and drove by that doctor's house.  He had his office down in the
basement.  But, he often made house calls too.  How rare is that,
these days!

It was the first and last shot I received until the Polio vaccine came
out!

It isn't only kids that are afraid of doctors.  I have a cat, that
knows from the moment I load her in the car, where she's going;-(
 
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