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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Ilena - did Polevoy send the $311k check yet? Those Easter Sales are here...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Patrickoleary.htm Here Coleah Penley Ayers admits she was not the owner of the $9,000 judgement to O'leary ... but that they were using his judgement as the lie to stalk me and attempt to access my bank accounts. In November of 2004, Penley Ayers went to Costa Rica pursuing me while working with the Snake-oil plaintiffs (Barrett, Grell & Polevoy) ... The SBI Private Club was filled with Snake-oil members: www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:36:13 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] FW: Search for Ilena Rosenthal Okay, we're getting close to finding Ilena. This email is going out to everyone who has held an interest in locating Ilena. The private investigator is lined up and there are just a few details to work out. To cover the group's desire for the investigation, Patrick's judgment will be the legal justification for looking her and her bank accounts and balances. I told Patrick that we didn't expect him to pay for all this, because it is our idea and we need him as a legal excuse for doing a search. From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:05:40 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] Moving on.....Next Ilena Project Okay, we go. Moving along to approaching the IRS and CA to get Ilena's non-profit yanked. This will be a challenge as the federal government does not have staff to look into non-profits and when they do find a violation they go for 'hand slapping' first. What I would ask is for everyone to look over the items below to get an idea of the 'issues' we can look into and the bring up to CA and the IRS. If one item grabs you as one you would like to look more deeply into, please let me know. If we all take a piece and research we can move through all this more quickly. (Please, please, please !!!) And if you have ideas of other things that could be looked into, please let me know and I'll add it to this list. After we've explored the issues, I'll gather everyone's input and fine tune the plan of proceeding. We did it with the FDA. This will be a bit more intensive. Let the fun began!! Coleah Just read Myrl's rants ... how soon she forgets that she went bankrupt a while ago ... something that was sent to me after a reader became totally disgusted with Myrl's disguises and lies and attacks and her holier than thou attitude! www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html > Just read Myrl's rants ... how soon she forgets that she went bankrupt > a while ago ... something that was sent to me after a reader became > totally disgusted with Myrl's disguises and lies and attacks and her > holier than thou attitude! > > www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html Ilena, I'd talk to your attorney about the Fair Debt Practices Act, and Collection practices and see if any violations have occured. All of us can just go into public records and look to see if a judgement was awarded but collection is another story. Your attorney would be the best one to advise you if any violations have taken place and what to do. > Just read Myrl's rants ... how soon she forgets that she went bankrupt > a while ago ... something that was sent to me after a reader became > totally disgusted with Myrl's disguises and lies and attacks and her > holier than thou attitude! That's absolutely true Ilena, I did go bankrupt back in 1996, when very ill health and finances came together in a perfect storm. What you have also been told before, but fail to mention, is after the bankruptcy courts discharged my debts, I was able in following months, to return to work, and actually went back to some of those creditors, and paid them. That included a small amount owed to the IRS, which I paid on a payment plan. Today, I enjoy excellent credit, even with many of the very same entities, I owed money to 12 years ago. However Ilena, unlike you, I have never sued someone for $100 Million bucks, and when I lost that litigation, and the courts awarded the person I was suing their court costs, did I send an uncashable check to that person. When you did so, you were thumbing your nose at the justice system. > However Ilena, unlike you, I have never sued someone for $100 Million > bucks, and when I lost that litigation, and the courts awarded the > person I was suing their court costs, did I send an uncashable check > to that person. When you did so, you were thumbing your nose at the > justice system. Who sent an uncashable check and to whom? > From: "coleah" col...@pacifier.com > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:36:13 -0700 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:05:40 -0700 > Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] Moving on.....Next Ilena Project Ilena, I am shocked. SHOCKED! You infiltrated a *PRIVATE* organization? Do you not criticize me for that? Are you being the hypocrite? BTW, now that I have your attention, do please explain your motives, and what you hoped to gain, by contacting my wife. Try as I might, I am incapable of determining what motive, other than to attempt to intimidate me into silence, you may have had. Why do you persist in allowing me to believe that you are a hater of free speech? Disbarred attorney, Mark S Probert, makes this absurd claim: "You infiltrated a *PRIVATE* organization? Do you not criticize me for that?" www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html No, Mark, I infiltrated nothing. Coleah Penley Ayers nuked the Yahoo group, "SBI (silicone breast impant) Private Club" which included Patrick O'leary, you and several others of my losing plaintiffs' teammates .... the sole purpose of the group was to illegally stalk me and attempt to get to my assets. When you gussied up with your "Marla Maples" disguise ... YOU were attempting to infiltrate my private email list ... while being joined with Polevoy & Barrett. The SBI Private Club was filled with Snake-oil members: www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:36:13 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] FW: Search for Ilena Rosenthal Okay, we're getting close to finding Ilena. This email is going out to everyone who has held an interest in locating Ilena. The private investigator is lined up and there are just a few details to work out. To cover the group's desire for the investigation, Patrick's judgment will be the legal justification for looking her and her bank accounts and balances. I told Patrick that we didn't expect him to pay for all this, because it is our idea and we need him as a legal excuse for doing a search. From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:05:40 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] Moving on.....Next Ilena Project Okay, we go. Moving along to approaching the IRS and CA to get Ilena's non-profit yanked. This will be a challenge as the federal government does not have staff to look into non-profits and when they do find a violation they go for 'hand slapping' first. What I would ask is for everyone to look over the items below to get an idea of the 'issues' we can look into and the bring up to CA and the IRS. If one item grabs you as one you would like to look more deeply into, please let me know. If we all take a piece and research we can move through all this more quickly. (Please, please, please !!!) And if you have ideas of other things that could be looked into, please let me know and I'll add it to this list. After we've explored the issues, I'll gather everyone's input and fine tune the plan of proceeding. We did it with the FDA. This will be a bit more intensive. Let the fun began!! Coleah > Disbarred attorney, Mark S Probert, makes this absurd claim: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > teammates .... the sole purpose of the group was to illegally stalk me > and attempt to get to my assets. My God woman, how many times does one need to tell you that #1 I never "nuked" a damn thing. I did not originate the group. I was not the owner of the group. Pat was never a member. Yes, many people were preparing to file a lawsuit against you. Does that surprise you? In addition I was indeed named as Assignee of Judgment with collection rights. And Bee, since you brought up the Fair Debt Practices Act ....again.... (have you read what it actually refers to?).......Ms Ilena freely and openly began posting on her own accord in a very public forum all about how she owed Patrick the unpaid judgment and used my assignee position to further make statements that I was joined at the hip with him (regarding promoting/advocating silicone breast implants). Sadly, it's the game she chose to play. > My God woman, how many times does one need to tell you that #1 I never > "nuked" a damn thing. I did not originate the group. I was not the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > at the hip with him (regarding promoting/advocating silicone breast > implants). Sadly, it's the game she chose to play. My, my my, just where are the shovels? All of this gets deeper and deeper and deeper. I have no idea than what I read in the court documents, what really has transpired, apparently y'all have some history between you. I'm readily familiar with the Fair Debt Practices Act (and yes I have read it), but I am also familiar with the RFDCPA, which ironically is the Rosenthal Fair Debt Collection Act. I am not an attorney and as I have told Ilena she really should be discussing this with her attorney. And it really does not belong here, would you not agree with this? > > My God woman, how many times does one need to tell you that #1 I never > > "nuked" a damn thing. I did not originate the group. I was not the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > not agree > with this? Personal history? My, yes...about 12 years of it or more. Ms Rosenthal initiated this recent belching, of which you acknowledge does not belong here.....and YES, I certainly agree. The archives speak for themselves, thank goodness. Ms. Rosenthal brings up her own dirty laundry on a public forum, then whines about 'being attacked' if someone responds to what she's written. As when she whined, "It's only very recently that she has gone underground and not been attacking me publicly on these board." Her idea of 'recently', has been months and months since I've even mentioned her name. Whatever 'underground' means...... Her idea of someone 'attacking her' is again when she herself regurgitates her own dirty laundry, and mentions other individual's names, callously making unfounded statements about them (over and over and over)...then she whines about 'being attacked' if one (such as me) responds to her paranoid and false accusations. Clearly I have not found her worth the sweat off my tired rear end to initiate posts about. I will respond on occasion, except when she goes into her dog and pony presentation of me as a Vietnam 'killer Marine' and all that other type of whacko crap. I don't need to respond....as people recognize her for what she is by that time. > Personal history? > My, yes...about 12 years of it or more. > > Ms Rosenthal initiated this recent belching, of which you acknowledge > does not belong here.....and YES, I certainly agree. The archives > speak for themselves, thank goodness. Coleah, Myrl, Ilena et al.... Really, the airing of the laundry "both sides" really does not belong on a newsgroup for alternative health. I'm going to make several personal opinions about what I see happening here, and I think in the matter of all of this, whatever has transpired over the 12 year history of it, really needs to cease. I, for one, am tired of reading about it, I do not know if anyone will concur with me, and I don't care. If you all once were friends and now you are not, that is certainly understandable. People go in and out of each other lives all of the time. It's a normal part of life. One thing I would have to say about Ilena is that probably brought the two of you together, with a common cosmetic medical problem of being breast implants victims. Have you not forgotten this? Would you have become friends if it weren't for her group? Whether you choose to support her awareness program or not is simply your choice. The same goes for Ilena. But I do not think it needs to be a major part of an alternative health newsgroup on a daily basis. I find it to be in extremely poor taste that websites or pages with peoples names on them are made that do not belong to the person with the actual name. What would be the absolutely point in all of this? Is it a thrill or is it fun to make fun of someone you do not admire or is of no longer use to you? While I support free speech, I don't support using someone's name to drag them through the mud because one does not happen to like someone or doesn't happen to like their opinions about a certain subject, or their support for or against something they believe in. That goes for everyone, on any subject matter. You all might find if you took down pages or websites of people you do not happen to like that you have made for which it appears for own self gratification, that all of this might suddenly might just stop, and the newsgroups could go back to being used for what they were intended to be for--a discussion of whatever topic of interest is listed for the group. That's my opinion. I'm not taking sides with any of you. The dirty laundry hangs on both sides of the line. Isn't it time to wash the laundry out with soap, allow it to dry, fold it, and put it away once and for all? It is my opinion, but I think it is more than long overdue to finish the laundry and be done with it once and for all. Some very interesting things I read on this thread and some other recent ones ... Coleah Penley Ayers, for the first time (to my knowledge) is now claiming she was not the owner of the SBIPrivate Club, a yahoo group until she (or the owner) nuked it after I beganI posting messages from there (see below.) The recipients were several members of this Snake-oil Vigilante group and Myrl. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/langervsilena.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm If not Coleah ... who was she working for ? My guess is Polevoy / Barrett / Langer ... some combination or member of this group: www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm She began posting articles for Polevoy ... and she was the one who went to Costa Rica after he had made many, many, many, many stalking style statements about my physical whereabouts. Just a couple of months after she wrote those messages ... she went to Costa Rica to hunt me down .. November 22, 2004. Coleah is a trained killer ... her glory days were Viet Nam (I was anti-war during Viet Nam and totally 10000000% against the invasion of Iraq which Coleah promoted) ... she claims she worked for the IRS, and she has not one scruple about invading my life and property and sharing anything she knew about me with the 3 frightening men who were suing and losing to me in court. She, like Myrl, will write anything ... and when caught in their lies ... just fill the boards with confusion & distraction. It's only very recently that she has gone underground and not been attacking me publicly on these board. She purchased a website of my unique and personal name and has filled it with the loser's viewpoint of who I am. It is distributed by the Snake-oil Team. Having Polevoy & Penley Ayers alone tracking me down ... having massive I Hate Ilena letter writing campaigns ... would be frightening enough ... but they have the help of Myrl Jeffcoat and the other Snake-oil members. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm After knowing Ms McPhee and other women's experiences with him ... it was interesting that Coleah Penley Ayers was chosen to work with them. They knew she had once been close to me (perfect insider) ... and she loved surveyllance and military strategies. Polevoy even calls his Hate Website about his losing case as "War" ... Penley Ayers had also used these board to repeat every talking point (lie) that led to the corporate invasion and occupation of Iraq. She worked very closely with Andrew M Langer (coincidentally one of Barrett's Snake-oil Vigilantes) ... selling the biggest money making coup for various industries ... and every possibly what they promoted will bring middle America to its knees totally. www.BreastImplantAwarness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Andrew-M-Langer If Coleah was not the owner of this group ... for whom did she work ? She was the one who wrote these letters ... it sounds like she was in charge ... She was the one who hired the Private Investigator and admitted they were "using" the $9000 judgement silicone exec Patrick O'leary had against me as "reason" to hunt me down. One last thing ... Coleah later had to admit she tracked O'leary down and has claimed she got him to "assign" it to her ... however, no paperwork that I, my attorneys, nor the Alameda Court ever received showed anything but her claim, her words. Nothing that showed that O'leary had indeed assigned this to her. In fact, when she told the court in Polevoy and Barret's losing case against me, that she thought her $9,000+ interest claim should have precedent to my attorneys etc. etc. etc. ... they not only threw her motion out entirely ... they sustained all of our objections in addition. This meant that the court too, did not believe her paperwork was valid. Now remember, she chased O'leary (who is head of Eurosilicone in Paris) ... claims she got him to assign the $9K judgement to her ... but she tells the judges in Barrett Vs Rosenthal : www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm "Without an order To Apply Judgment and Appointment of Receiver the Lien Claimant will suffer irreparable loss and harm". This makes no sense whatsoever ... it seems like the huge bully that she is ... she wanted to throw her weight into Barrett's losing lawsuit against me ... so she jumped with both feet into something that she was not a party to. The SBI Private Club was filled with Snake-oil members: www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/coleah.htm From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:36:13 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] FW: Search for Ilena Rosenthal Okay, we're getting close to finding Ilena. This email is going out to everyone who has held an interest in locating Ilena. The private investigator is lined up and there are just a few details to work out. To cover the group's desire for the investigation, Patrick's judgment will be the legal justification for looking her and her bank accounts and balances. I told Patrick that we didn't expect him to pay for all this, because it is our idea and we need him as a legal excuse for doing a search. From: "coleah" coleah@pacifier.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:05:40 -0700 Subject: [SBIPrivateClub] Moving on.....Next Ilena Project Okay, we go. Moving along to approaching the IRS and CA to get Ilena's non-profit yanked. This will be a challenge as the federal government does not have staff to look into non-profits and when they do find a violation they go for 'hand slapping' first. What I would ask is for everyone to look over the items below to get an idea of the 'issues' we can look into and the bring up to CA and the IRS. If one item grabs you as one you would like to look more deeply into, please let me know. If we all take a piece and research we can move through all this more quickly. (Please, please, please !!!) And if you have ideas of other things that could be looked into, please let me know and I'll add it to this list. After we've explored the issues, I'll gather everyone's input and fine tune the plan of proceeding. We did it with the FDA. This will be a bit more intensive. Let the fun began!! Coleah > Some very interesting things I read on this thread and some other > recent ones ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > until she (or the owner) nuked it after I beganI posting messages from > there (see below.) Search the archives....this is not the 'first time'. And again, the group disbanned from Yahoo likely a good 6 months before you started posting. How tiring you are. You've spewed the same bogus crap over and over again.....and then pretend to have a memory problem like it's brand new to you (similar to your pee brained Bolen friend during a deposition when he couldn't remember where he actually lived until he pondered it in his mind....duh.) To coin a Bill Clinton phrase, 'Paranoid people who like to scream, don't have their facts straight'. Do scream on...... > To coin a Bill Clinton phrase, 'Paranoid people who like to scream, > don't have their facts straight'. Do scream on...... Who is selling shovels today? This gets deeper and deeper and deeper. Did you really take a trip to Costa Rica to visit Ilena? > > To coin a Bill Clinton phrase, 'Paranoid people who like to scream, > > don't have their facts straight'. Do scream on...... > Who is selling shovels today? This gets deeper and deeper and deeper. Indeed? And you are voluntarily up to your knees and sinking in it ....why ? > Did you really take a trip to Costa Rica to visit Ilena? I went no where to 'visit Ilena'. Read the archives. It's all right there. Is someone digging into airline records? Breaching my Passport? Better hop to it! > I went no where to 'visit Ilena'. > Read the archives. It's all right there. > Is someone digging into airline records? Breaching my Passport? > Better hop to it! I don't feel like reading the archives, and I'm tired of all of this garbage. It was posted, if it is not true, better hop on it yourself, and it get it taken down. > > I went no where to 'visit Ilena'. > > Read the archives. It's all right there. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > garbage. It was posted, if it is not true, better hop on it yourself, > and it get it taken down. Perhaps it's clearer now as to why a group of people was interestedly looking into suing Ilena. > Perhaps it's clearer now as to why a group of people was > interestedly looking into suing Ilena. I'm not involved in your opinions or your issues. And I have zero opinions on this. . > Indeed? And you are voluntarily up to your knees and sinking in > it ....why ? I'm not voluntarily up to my knees, and sinking into anything. I'm just tired of listening to the he said she said....this is an alternative health care newsgroup. I happen to like alternative health care. Whatever is going on with your 12 years of history with Ilena, is not my business, and it does not belong out here in an alternative healthcare newsgroup. Plain and simple. > > Indeed? And you are voluntarily up to your knees and sinking in > > it ....why ? > > I'm not voluntarily up to my knees, and sinking into anything. I'm > just tired of listening to the he said she said....this is an > alternative health care newsgroup. I would suggest not reading threads that upset you. With all due respect, you do have a choice. > I would suggest not reading threads that upset you. With all > due respect, you do have a choice. They do not upset me. What upsets me is when I see Veterans spitting on the American flag. That flag stands for freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to express, freedom to choose my own religion, and my beliefs. > > I would suggest not reading threads that upset you. With all > > due respect, you do have a choice. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to choose, freedom to express, freedom to choose my own religion, > and my beliefs. While most of us hold that belief, it is so far off topic for this thread and waaaaay off-topic for this forum. Besides, Mark, Coleah, & Peter Bowditch are veterans. Why don't you show THEM some respect? How 'bout it?!?!? On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Besides, Mark, Coleah, & Peter Bowditch are veterans. Why don't you > show THEM some respect? > > How 'bout it?!?!? Excellent question - We'll wait for the reply! Tick tock, tick tock! > > Andrew: Besides, Mark, Coleah, & Peter Bowditch are veterans. Why don't you > > show THEM some respect? > > > How 'bout it?!?!? > > Mryl: Excellent question - We'll wait for the reply! Tick tock, tick tock! Why not show some respect for me? >> > Andrew: Besides, Mark, Coleah, & Peter Bowditch are veterans. Why don't you >> > show THEM some respect? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Why not show some respect for me? I didn't think that there would be an answer.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com "Myrl" <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c1efd889a7678735 That _IS_ topical and worthy of discussion. Stick with the topic, that works for you & us. On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Besides, Mark, Coleah, & Peter Bowditch are veterans. Why don't you > show THEM some respect? > > How 'bout it?!?!? How about not spitting on the American flag? I always have and do support the Veterans in the United States of America. How about if they show me some respect for fighting for what I believe in - freedom of choice. I did not spit on them while they were serving, I've always supported Veterans and thanked for their service. How about showing some respect for your fellow American citizens that wish to choose their healthcare practices without being disrspected? How about it Andrew? Acupuncture wasn't always in mainstream medicine---people fought for that too. I took part in several studies to prove the effectiveness several years back. Do not spit on me....I have defended your chosen career..... > On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How about if they show me some respect for fighting for what > I believe in - freedom of choice. ???? > > On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ???? What da matta? You don't understand logical fallacies? > >Bee How about not spitting on the American flag? I always have > > and do support the Veterans in the United States of America. > > How about if they show me some respect for fighting for what > > I believe in - freedom of choice. > > Coleah???? Freedom to choose what healthcare I wish to participate in without being subject to ridicule. Some Veterans in America know what is like to come home from fighting in an unpopular war and have people harass them and call them names. I've always defended the Veterans of any war. They have served our country--and everything we have --all of our freedoms, we can thank a Vet for. It is pretty sad when Veterans come after people and harass them for their choice of freedoms. It makes zero sense when I see people who have fought in a war for freedom, harassing others for what they believe in. Respect is earned, not given.....I have zero respect for Veterans who do not believe in freedom of choice. >>>Bee How about not spitting on the American flag? I always have >>>and do support the Veterans in the United States of America. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Freedom to choose what healthcare I wish to participate in without > being subject to ridicule. I guess I must have missed "Freedom from ridicule" when I studied the U.S. Constitution. What clause or amendment addresses that? Nevertheless, even given my apparent shortcomings when it comes to knowledge of U.S. Constitutional law, I for one, would never ridicule anyone for their healthcare choices. OTOH, I think ridicule is a most appropriate response to an individual's flagrant flaunting of their lack of critical thinking skills, as well as as excellent reaction to hypocrisy. SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 > > >Bee How about not spitting on the American flag? I always have > > > and do support the Veterans in the United States of America. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Freedom to choose what healthcare I wish to participate in without > being subject to ridicule. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Freedom to choose (anything) is an objective choice (i.e. Chocolate or Vanilla). If there is no law limiting Chocolate or Vanilla, it's all free-will. 'Being subject to ridicule' is a subjective perception of reality conditioned by one's personal mental characteristics, or one's 'opinion'. All of our nations Presidents have been 'subject to ridicule' as noted in the media, especially on shows like Saturday Night Live or MadTV. (snip) > Respect is earned, not given.....I have zero respect for Veterans who > do not believe in freedom of choice. If I'm interupting correctly you want a 'freedom of choice' of that which is lawful yours already. Check. [Thank a Veteran....Chocolate or Vanilla.] You also want to communicate in a group where no one voices their experiential opinions, views or feelings which may cause you to feel 'ridiculed'. That position seems to deny others of their freedom of choice. > If I'm interupting correctly you want a 'freedom of choice' of that > which is lawful yours already. Check. [Thank a Veteran....Chocolate > or Vanilla.] You also want to communicate in a group where no one > voices their experiential opinions, views or feelings which may cause > you to feel 'ridiculed'. That position seems to deny others of their > freedom of choice. Freedom of Choice is mine already. Ridiculing people because one does not share the same opinion as another for having that opinion is not allowing for freedom of expression. A good form of communication leaves out all of the pronouns, I, You, He, She, It, (do not say that fast!!). Communication is a two way street - as is respect. Respect must be earned, it is not something that people should expect because of the belief that one's self importance in the world is higher than the one's own opinion of one's self. For example, this is an election year, and all of the potential candidates would appear to be doing a fine job of airing dirty laundry---for all of the dirty laundry that has been aired it bears a good example of newsgroups----very political. When an individual personally attacks another candidate, or in this case a person that shares their opinion in a newsgroup, people are insulted because they do not share the same opinion of another poster. There is a way to say how one feels without attacking the other parties-- candidates and posters alike. Based on the banter heard in the past 6 months it makes one tend not to want to vote for any party. The same can be held true for posters in newsgroups. Is is the airing of dirty laundry and the insults that just simply need to stop. Attacking the poster (or candidate) with insults is never the way to earn respect. Calling someone stupid or a moron or comments like "get some help," is indeed things that were said in grammar school before real teachers and professors taught us how to respect the opinions of others. Spirited debate is one way to debate subjects of interest; and opinions are not always viewed in the same way from one individual to the next. When, for example the term is used, "spitting on the flag," this is does not refer to hocking a hairball and having it land on the actual flag. The term was used as way to make others realize that in our Country Americans and Veterans have fought long and hard throughout the years for our very freedoms that many take advantage of or really do not understand. Sharing differences of opinions without the insults and hatred is of great importance. The differences of opinion should not be based on the individuals that have posted but in the sharing of ideas by those individuals so that we all may understand the components of those opinions. Alternative healthcare and freedom to choose without having someone insult one's decision to try a different form of healthcare, or even the practitioner's methods of a particular treatment as long as that party is not "harming," but helping people is the important ticket. For example, someone brought up the old fashioned remedy of "honey," which studies have found to help some individuals, that is not to say that honey is going to help absolutely everyone for their particular healthcare needs, just in the same manner, not all prescription drugs are going to help absolutely everyone for the same ailments. Each one of our bodies processes different elements in different ways. In the same manner that each one of us processes opinions and ideas in different manners. When we all come upon an accident scene, from different angles we all process what happened in a different way. But to insult people for having those different thoughts than our own is not effective communication. My position has nothing whatsoever do with with denying anyone freedom of choice, but stopping the insults, and the hatred. Expecting people to change overnight is not something that is expected but understanding is possible for those individuals willing enough to accept the challenge. :>) > > If I'm interupting correctly you want a 'freedom of choice' of that > > which is lawful yours already. Check. [Thank a Veteran....Chocolate [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > understanding is possible for those individuals willing enough to > accept the challenge. :>) Bee: I can see that you care a lot about things - but you are addressing the wrong audience. These people, who act in an insulting manner, attacking, with the scum they dredge from their own lives, can be repesented, and personified in total, by one person - Terry Polevoy - for they all operate in exactly the same manner. Every one of them meets the Polevoy criteria. They are in synch. So, it is no surprise to me that when Polevoy got the sh.t SLAPPed out of him in the California Court system, that his look-a-likes will not, and can not, come to his rescue, financially, or supportively. Polevoy will, now, be hunted like a rat for the money he owes. Deservedly. Apparently, you have never had to deal with a rodent infestation before. Sympathetic in California... Tim Bolen On Mar 28, 1:50 pm, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > If I'm interupting correctly you want a 'freedom of choice' of that > > > which is lawful yours already. Check. [Thank a Veteran....Chocolate [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rodent hunting. Cute. Perhaps the IRS's favorite phrase for tax evading deadbeats too.....paid them the + $101,000 for 10 yrs unpaid taxes yet Bolen? Your glass house is full of cracks and dirt. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Rodent hunting. Cute. Remember the story of the Pied Piper of Hamlin? http://www.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~jonas/browning.html >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Rodent hunting. Cute. > >Remember the story of the Pied Piper of Hamlin? Hamelin, actually. Hamlin is an actor. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > >> Coleah: Rodent hunting. Cute. > > >Bee: Remember the story of the Pied Piper of Hamlin? > > Hamelin, actually. Hamlin is an actor. Thank you for correcting my spelling error! On Mar 28, 11:50 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > Apparently, you have never had to deal with a rodent infestation > before. Do you remember the children's story of the Pied Piper of Hamlin? I'm putting a link here for those that do not know the story. http://www.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~jonas/browning.html The understanding of the principles of the story should bring a smile to your face. And yes I care about people....all people--.... As far as the the court's stories, the Pied Piper of Hamlin will relate. As far as the mentality of understanding that story, as it relates in the world today, not everyone will understand it, and not share in the same opinion, and be quick to draw swords for battle; like reading old posts over and over of debts owed that have been paid, and old court decisions--would everyone like to see public records posts in a newsgroup about alternative healthcare? That is a child's game, whether it be disbarred attorneys, disciplined attorneys, IRS debts, bankruptcies, dissolved corporations by States, medical licenses, dental licenses, court cases, etc. When all people stop the unnecessary need to harm others, then all things are possible. > > If I'm interupting correctly you want a 'freedom of choice' of that > > which is lawful yours already. Check. [Thank a Veteran....Chocolate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > not share the same opinion as another for having that opinion is not > allowing for freedom of expression. So basically then in the circle of things, 'not allowing for freedom of expression' boils down to 'those who feel they are ridiculed' not allowing 'people who ridicule' to have their freedom of expression. I hestitate to use one of Ilena Rosenthal's favorite expressions, but, regarding how someone presents themselves, 'if you don't like it, just move your little mouse'. Or in the simple words of my father: "If you can't get along with them.......get along.....without 'em." Philosophizing about a 'perfect world' is fruitless. > So basically then in the circle of things, 'not allowing for freedom > of expression' boils down to 'those who feel they are ridiculed' not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Philosophizing about a 'perfect world' is fruitless. Coleah, I am sure you will agree, that discussions can take place without the insults. Spirited debates are what has made America strong throughout the years. If you want look at a poor way to communicate, look at the mud slinging in the world of "I Will Make a Better President because." One has to go back to their teachings---who were their mentors---???-----religious leaders, civi. rights leaders, parents, teachers, who taught them to say things correctly or incorrectly without outright hurting a person's feelings or in some cases people enjoyed hurting people's feelings, and that bad lesson in communication carried over into their adult life, and this is how they taught their children. A number of years ago, while in the Philippines, I had the opportunity to go to a cock fight, not something I necessarily chose to do, but we were with friends, and they thought the experience would be entertaining. I lasted about 5 minutes in the area that it was being held before I got nauseated, and ran outside before I tossed my cookies. From my bag lunch that I had brought, I started sipping on ginger ale to make myself feel better; a beggar approached me and asked for money claiming she was "hungry." Knowing about the begging population in the Philippines as an "occupation," I knew better than to donate to her "cause," and opened my lunch bag and offered her a sandwich. She got angry with me, and said, "No, I want money." I said, "If you are hungry, you can have my sandwich." And she just stood there with her hand out. I tried to give her the sandwich in a ziploc bag, and she hit it and allowed it to drop to the ground. So I, and the rest of my friends ignored her, and eventually she went away. She was used to preying upon Americans in her disguise of "looking poor," to get money. She had obviously used this trick before and it had worked. It didn't work with me, and she was angry. But knowing what I knew about organized begging in her country as an occupation, I was not going to fall for it, where as I know others would, and have; it is because this is the only trade she knew how to do; it was learned behavior, but I communicated to her that I was happy to help her but I was not going to give her what she wanted. She lied to me, complaining she was poor, and she was hungry. If she had come right out and said, I work for a money pimp, and my job is to beg and I have to bring in xxx amount of dollars per day to keep my job, I might have given her some money. But her communication to me was dishonest in nature, and I was not going to have any part of that story teller's story. Yes, you can just "move your little mouse," if you have one. And that is also why there a way to block people's posts so one does not have to read what they don't want to read either. It is kind of like skimming over the newspaper in the morning to see what news one wants to read, and what news is not entertaining. You can read two different newspapers and get two different slants on the story. But the facts should all pretty much be the same. Good journalism does not exist anymore. We now seem to have "media writers," who spin stories to gain readership. Good communication is a two way street. It allows for people with different opinions and ideas to share information. Good communication can be done without insults. When people insult -- you have to look back to the way they were raised and find out if this was learned behavior, then the best thing you can do for anyone -- is to give them a lesson in "tough love." Letting them know that this is not acceptable behavior, and this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Not one of us should have to be subject to ridicule or public scorn. This is a public forum, not a private club, where that kind of behavior might be OK, but never in a public forum. We have all gotten caught up in it, but there comes a time, when enough is enough...it is not healthy for anyone. Have a healthy weekend, Coleah... > On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for fighting for what > I believe in - freedom of choice. WOW! More red herring. You must love that fish. I did not spit on them while they > were serving, I've always supported > Veterans and thanked for their service. > > How about showing some respect for your fellow American citizens that > wish to choose their healthcare practices without being disrspected? Your right to choose is well protected. You antics in the newsgroup is what gets you disrespect. > How about it Andrew? Acupuncture wasn't always in mainstream > medicine---people fought for that too. > I took part in several studies to prove the effectiveness several > years back. > > Do not spit on me....I have defended your chosen career..... On Mar 27, 7:19 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 12:26 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for fighting for what > I believe in - freedom of choice. <WOW! More red herring. You must love that fish.> Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of 230 for Mark Probert red herring I did not spit on them while they > were serving, I've always supported > Veterans and thanked for their service. > > How about showing some respect for your fellow American citizens that > wish to choose their healthcare practices without being disrspected? <Your right to choose is well protected. You antics in the newsgroup is what gets you disrespect.> There's another keeper. OT: For what it is worth. Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-September 7, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 09-07...@lambercartel.com> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 10, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-10...@lymbercartel.com> From: M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 30, 2004 (M.a.r.k_P.r.o.b.e.r.t_04-30...@limbercartel.com> > How about it Andrew? Acupuncture wasn't always in mainstream > medicine---people fought for that too. > I took part in several studies to prove the effectiveness several > years back. > > Do not spit on me....I have defended your chosen career..... <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c1efd889a7678735 That _IS_ topical and worthy of discussion. Stick with the topic, that works for you & us. >> I would suggest not reading threads that upset you. With all >> due respect, you do have a choice. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to choose, freedom to express, freedom to choose my own religion, >and my beliefs. How do you spell "non sequitur"? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > How do you spell "non sequitur"? > > -- How do you spell, "who cares, Peter?" You are not an American. >>How do you spell "non sequitur"? >> >>-- > > How do you spell, "who cares, Peter?" You are not an American. Yeah, Peter! You Aussies can choose to be logical if you want, but don't go trying to export that kind of reasoning nonsense to the States. SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 > >>How do you spell "non sequitur"? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, Peter! You Aussies can choose to be logical if you want, but don't > go trying to export that kind of reasoning nonsense to the States. Did you know that July 4, 1776 is important to Australian Hisotry? >> >>How do you spell "non sequitur"? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Did you know that July 4, 1776 is important to Australian Hisotry? That's when the fuse was lit. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>>>How do you spell "non sequitur"? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Did you know that July 4, 1776 is important to Australian Hisotry? No, I did not. IIANM, 1776 would fall between Cook's first visit and the establishment of the first British Colony. I am clueless as to what the importance of that date could be in Australian history (and I'm too laz^h^h^h, er, busy to research it). SignatureProud member since 2007, WWWSC #1 Ann/Emma Anne #4 >>>How do you spell "non sequitur"? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, Peter! You Aussies can choose to be logical if you want, but don't > go trying to export that kind of reasoning nonsense to the States. [in a.s.a.d. Nancy Kinsley/aka/MothWrangler wrote:] > *I can't read too many of the posts on MHA myself. The sheer magnitude of > uneducated (and not just uneducated, but *proudly* uneducated), illogical, > magical, and delusional thinking there makes me too Woo-zy.* > > How do you spell "non sequitur"? > > > -- > > How do you spell, "who cares, Peter?" You are not an American. So what? Peter is an Australian that shares July 4, 1776 in its founding. I know this will confuse you, but, do try to figure it out. >> How do you spell "non sequitur"? >> >> -- >How do you spell, "who cares, Peter?" You are not an American. So you only extend your support for the rights of others to citizens of one country? There is a reason why the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has the word "Universal" in its name. You might like to see which countries formed the committee that put that document together. Not that this has anything to do with your bizarre segue into a rant about spitting on flags. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com "Peter Bowditch" >"non sequitur"? Another KACHING for adding nothing to the subject. > > I would suggest not reading threads that upset you. With all > > due respect, you do have a choice. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to choose, freedom to express, freedom to choose my own religion, > and my beliefs. Freedom to spew red herring. Thastg is one you exercise all the time. It is your right to do wo, and my right to point it out. > Thastg is one you exercise all the time. It is your right to do wo, > and my right to point it out. reply to the subject matter of the post, and not the poster. On Mar 27, 2:09 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 2:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to choose, freedom to express, freedom to choose my own religion, > and my beliefs. Freedom to spew red herring. ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Thastg is one you exercise all the time. It is your right to do wo, and my right to point it out. .....Thastg..... Nice silicone shuffle, Coleah ... Who was the owner of the Yahoo Group who you gave your marching orders since you now claim you were "only following orders" ? www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/langervsilena.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm > Nice silicone shuffle, Coleah ... > > Who was the owner of the Yahoo Group who you gave your marching orders > since you now claim you were "only following orders" ? You can do your own investigation of that Ilena. But, I'd think it wise if you would try remembering the facts, before you spew bogus crap and paint yourself into a corner. http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com > Nice silicone shuffle, Coleah ... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Who was the owner of the Yahoo Group who you gave your marching orders > since you now claim you were "only following orders" ? Nice silicone shuffle, Coleah & Myrl Jeffcoat ... Coleah ... you do a great silicone shuffle. Who was the owner of the Yahoo Group who you gave your marching orders since you now claim you were "only following orders" ? www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/langervsilena.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm Coleah & Myrl have and do lie about everything and anything ... using military strategies (Probert, Penley-Ayers, Barrett all are Warmongers and trained military) like false flag events and accusing their targets of everything they are doing. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/langervsilena.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm > Coleah & Myrl have and do lie about everything and anything ... using > military strategies (Probert, Penley-Ayers, Barrett all are Warmongers > and trained military) like false flag events and accusing their > targets of everything they are doing. Ilena: Having a background in Sociology, and have studied groups of people over the years in business, people tend to believe the story teller based on the manner in which the story teller is telling the story. It is very easy to get caught up in listening to a story teller's story, by the manner in which the story is told, but in business that's how businesses want people to believe---they want the story to be so believable that certainly no one would ever care to question their authority. The bottom line is that you don't have to believe every story you hear, and it is OK to have your opinion about the story teller, and the manner that the story is being told. But you have a choice whether to deal with the persons that are trying to sell you on a product or not. It is pretty simple. Take Enron for instance. Did the corporations in America learn their lessons about being ethical with consumers? Apparently not. Look around at all of the corporations now that are in trouble financially for deceiving the consumer. The mortgage industry is now being hit for unethical conduct. Look at all of the homes in foreclosure and people who have had to do bankruptcy to get out of the mess that the mortgage industry put them due to unethical conduct. Were they being fair when they sold a mortgage to a consumer that possibly couldn't afford the loan when that balloon payment came due--absolutely not. Record numbers of foreclosures, and bankruptcies. But the "spin" that the mortgage companies put on the consumer let them believe that they could "afford" or they "qualified," or "prequalified" for a loan, made them believe the story and they bought the product. That is ethically wrong, because they gained from those mortgages and they knew that the people probably couldn't afford that balloon payment when it came due. In researching for a collaborative health care report for a publication, I've found numerous organizations, some that are under the guise of a non profit, that I would choose not to do business with, due to the ethics of their organizations. I, like other Americans are disgusted by the manner in which insurance companies, corporate medical groups of doctors and other entities have formed their businesses and the quality of healthcare in this country has drastically changed. In the past, we saw a lot of doctors with medical malpractice suits. One could certainly understand why HMO's and PPO's have become popular based on the medical malpractice suits of the past. I can also understand why the decline of people wanting to become doctors in the U.S. has changed, it is because of the manner in which insurance companies have changed their standards of what they will pay, and how much they will pay. People wonder why people choose to go without medical insurance or why people choose alternative options is because they don't trust anyone in the medical fields anymore. Healthcare choice is clearly that. No one person or group of persons should ever think they have the right to take our freedom away. As a consumer, it is our choice whether or not to pay for something that insurance will not pay for. So, when you say "military tactics," I highly believe that anyone trained in the military would oppose taking any freedom away from any American citizen....that's what our flag stands for. Whether you like or dislike individuals--that is simply your choice. Just do not do business with them if you not like them. Do not communicate with them, and go on with your life. This is a silly little newsgroup for alternative health care. Remember not everyone is going to have the same opinions about anything in life that you happen to have. We are all different. And if someone does not share the same ethics that you do, do not associate with them. It is very quite simple. And just learn to take the newsgroups as not a source of reality, but for entertainment purposes only. > Disbarred attorney, Mark S Probert, makes this absurd claim: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No, Mark, I infiltrated nothing. Then, how did you get those emails? Did they just magically appear in you inbox? the sole purpose of the group was to illegally stalk me > and attempt to get to my assets. How do you know that, unless, of course, you were a regular recipient of the messages? > When you gussied up with your "Marla Maples" disguise ... YOU were > attempting to infiltrate my private email list ... while being joined > with Polevoy & Barrett. No, I was never "joined" with them. And,need I repeat why I felt it necessary? Of course, you will misconsture what I say, as you always do. > Mark S Probert, makes this absurd claim: BTW, in the message you responded to, you neglected to respond to this: BTW, now that I have your attention, do please explain your motives, and what you hoped to gain, by contacting my wife. Try as I might, I am incapable of determining what motive, other than to attempt to intimidate me into silence, you may have had. Why do you persist in allowing me to believe that you are a hater of free speech? Carfe to take a moment and dispel my misconception? Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal http://ilenarose.blogspot.com I had a good laugh watching disbarred attorney and longtime member of the "Ragtag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes", Mark S Probert, deny, yet again, that he is connected with this group in any way. Ilena Wrote about Mark's behavior: " When you gussied up with your "Marla Maples" disguise ... YOU were attempting to infiltrate my private email list ... while being joined with Polevoy & Barrett." Probert's denial: "No, I was never "joined" with them." As with just about everything on medical / insurance industry related postings, Mark Probert is lying. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/#Snake-oil.htm Probert, Barrett, Bowditch, Grell, Polevoy etc. etc. This list was on the net from 2000-2007 ... when site owner Bowditch had it totally censored ... both from his website and from the web archive. This group, centered at Quackwatch.com and Healthwatcher.net and who advertised those two websites, includes Mark S Probert ... who I learned was a disbarred attorney working in Florida for insurance companies ... most probably to help them deny claims related to: MCS Vaccination Med Devices Coleah & Myrl have and do lie about everything and anything ... using military strategies (Probert, Penley-Ayers, Barrett all are Warmongers and trained military) like false flag events and accusing their targets of everything they are doing. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/coleah.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/langervsilena.html www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Polevoy.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm > Coleah & Myrl have and do lie about everything and anything ... using > military strategies (Probert, Penley-Ayers, Barrett all are Warmongers > and trained military) like false flag events and accusing their > targets of everything they are doing. For the Facts and the Truth surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her 12+ years of paranoid fantasies, and self-promotion as an Internet Rodeo Clown, please visit: http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com Read it and Weap! >> Coleah & Myrl have and do lie about everything and anything ... using >> military strategies (Probert, Penley-Ayers, Barrett all are Warmongers [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Read it and Weap! Myrl -- the word is spelled "weep." Thank you. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan > In article <8fccb1f2-bfd0-4745-a2b7-e0adf3dd6...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You're absolutely right David - Thanks for pointing out the spelling error. I'm certain an error like that, would be enough for some folks to accuse me of being a DES flack;-) "Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> > Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal > http://ilenarose.blogspot.com [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> and trained military) like false flag events and accusing their >> targets of everything they are doing. Here's the thread about Coleah & Myrl talking about going to Costa Rica ... it was just a few months after the Supreme Court had accepted Barrett Vs Rosenthal ... and it became very difficult for me go anywhere without security. Polevoy was frothing about my whereabouts ... and just months before they hired a PI to hunt me down. I had already earlier had my car stolen twice ... and Myrl and Coelah were in a frenzy to harm my reputation as much as possible and buoy up the losing plaintiffs. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_frm/thread/11a78b6 a638bef27/72712097393995a4?lnk=st&q=#72712097393995a4 Here Coleah was posting from Costa Rica ... testing pgp Group: comp.security.pgp.test Coleah col...@pacifier.com comp security pgp test Google. Nov 21 2004 by Coleah - 1 message - 1 author And then again here ... http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/browse_frm/thread/b89b 5d0f1226e0b5/0ac08ea4e29f17c2?lnk=st&q=#0ac08ea4e29f17c2 Here in Paradise........... Group: alt.support.breast-implant Coleah coleah@pacifier.com alt support breast-implant Tired, tired, tired! I'm barely in and settled. Found this adorable colorful internet cafe in San Jose just a few blocks from McDonalds. Made like individual jungle-theme cubicals. Cute. Holy cow though....they had a 6.2 earthquake down here that we weren't ... Nov 22 2004 by Coleah - 3 messages - 3 authors Right before Coleah went to Costa Rica ... she had hired a thankfully stupid PI to hunt me down ... while Terry "Vera Teasdale" was writing scathing posts about Dr. Clark and myself and others he was suing ... all dressed up as a woman. Lovely people these plaintiffs. Coleah was also posting articles by Polevoy ... one which got removed when the authors realized who he was! On his website and various posts, Polevoy was raging about Costa Rica and my physical whereabouts ... sceaming he was going to sue me again! He wanted to do something ... and suing me was what was already going on! Having Coleah do his chasing me down (felt like stalking to me!) was a coup ... she would do or say anthing on orders ... like a good soldier ... no matter who got killed. I don't believe he was only going to sue me again while he was already suing me ... and I do not trust someone who loves War as much as Coleah to be hunting me down for a nanosecond. Here was Coleah about this same time ... running around the Usenet claiming I was financially benefitting from a sex toy she found on line. http://humanticsfoundation.com/coleah-lies.htm I think probably the SBI Private Club "site owner" told her to post this ... she repeated it... and when it was time to prove what she was saying ... she was shown to be the fool & liar & pervert ... and the 'owner' of the SBI Private Club (probably Langer, Polevoy, Probert, and/or Barrett) got to hide behind her mass and antics laughing at her too. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SBIPrivateClub.htm When Coleah went to Costa Rica and Myrl Jeffcoat posted defamatory webpages about a California business of mine (she lives only 2 hours away) ... my family and I had to make many serious decisions about our safety ... at great personal cost. They were attacking anyone and everyone that they could find that I had a business or friendship relationship with ... typical War and Propaganda Tactics by Warriors and Propagandists. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWAtch.htm Coleah is one of the most frightening women I've ever known ... she learned nothing from the Viet Nam War she loved so much. One moment she is gleefully bragging about her 'vibrating vagina' and then next cussin' and screamin' and the next crying about what a victim she is then making threats etc.etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. et c. etc. etc. etc. She highjacked alt.support.breast-implant to promote the Iraqui Invasion ... a corporate coup that put $40 BILLION in profit in Exxon's coffers last year alone. This disastrous War she wanted so much ... has cost the United States its reputation, thousands of American lives destroyed, a healthy economy ... while destroying the past, present and future of much of the Middle East. She was the one who repeated all the lies ... used all the scare tactics ... while working with Andrew M Langer, corporate lobbyist and Snake-oil Member. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm They were clearly going to do anything and everything to find me physically ... and after knowing how Polevoy had treated Ms McPhee ... who he just became obsessed with because she had radio guests he disagree with ... using disguises, joining her raffles, etc. ... the Polevoy / Coleah Penley Ayers duo was frightening beyond imagination. The fact that he was probably going to lose to me in the Supreme Court such as he did ... and owe hundreds of thousands of dollars (as he does) ... made them targeting me for much more frightening. > Here's the thread about Coleah & Myrl talking about going to Costa > Rica ... it was just a few months after the Supreme Court had accepted [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > such as he did ... and owe hundreds of thousands of dollars (as he > does) ... made them targeting me for much more frightening. Now let me see - If we remember correctly, it was Ilena Rosenthal that first SLAPP sued an actual breast implant victim, AOL, and O'Leary, for $100 MILLION BUCKS. When she ultimately lost her case, and the courts awarded O'Leary his attorney fees, she sent off an uncashable "cutesy" check to him, basically thumbing her nose at the justice system, and jumped the border! To attempt to make her escape from justice a little more palatable, she conjured a tale about Coleah being a Vietnam era Marine - a trained killer, out to get her, so she needed to hide for her safety. What a joke! And now she has the audacity to attempt speaking with some authority about things she knows little about, with so much inaccuracy, that it's laughable. We must also remember that Ilena Rosenthal defamed Mark for over 4+ years while she adamently posted on newsgroups, and her website webpages that he was absolutely posting as Will Ketcher. No amount of trying to convince her otherwise could sway her absolute adament stating as fact, what she knew nothing about. She even went on to involve Mark's wife, and then ultimately ended up posting a hateful page on the wife, who had never posted on newsgroups before. Will Ketcher proved one thing - That Ilena Rosenthal has no credibility when she adamently posts as facts that she knows who posts behind certain screen names, and attempts to provide details about history, in which she hasn't been privy to the actual facts. Ilena Rosenthal is nothing more than a self-promoting Internet Rodeo Clown! She'll take h |
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