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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Why are Laetrile and many other substances used in alternative-cancer therapy not readily available in the U.S.?
Disinformation Agent, "DC Sessions" showed his ignorance once again with this statement: "For the same reason that Thalidomide was never available in the United States. Goose, gander. " One quick google ... and once again ... Vac Promoter shown to be lying again. Thanks for the easy one, DC. FDA Approval for Thalidomide - National Cancer Institute On May 26, 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration granted accelerated approval for thalidomide (THALOMID®, made by the Celgene Corporation) in ... www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/druginfo/fda-thalidomide this is not a lie...but an indication in the 'early days" of thalidomide..it was used to prevent miscarriage...thus the babies with no limbs etc the more recent approval for its use in cancer is a totally different animal > Disinformation Agent, "DC Sessions" showed his ignorance once again > with this statement: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Corporation) in ... > www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/druginfo/fda-thalidomide On Mar 24, 5:50 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > this is not a lie...but an indication > > in the 'early days" of thalidomide..it was used to prevent > miscarriage...thus the babies with no limbs etc I think you will find it was aproved to relieve the nausea in the first trimester ! > On Mar 24, 5:50 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> this is not a lie...but an indication [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think you will find it was aproved to relieve the nausea in the > first trimester ! Not by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States of America. Americans were spared the effects of thalidomide because Dr. Frances Kelsey insisted on more answers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Kelsey "Frances Kathleen Oldham Kelsey, Ph.D., M.D., (b. 24 June 1914) is a naturalized American pharmacologist, most famous as the reviewer for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) who refused to authorize thalidomide for market because she had concerns about the drug's safety. Her concerns proved to be justified when it was proven that thalidomide caused birth defects. Kelsey's career intersected with the passage of laws strengthening the FDA's oversight of pharmaceuticals." but it was approved in other countries..I believe this poster is from the UK... but she is right that its indication was nausea..not miscarriage but you are also right in that it was never approved in the us...or there likely would be many more limbless folks around... talk about a side effect!! >> On Mar 24, 5:50 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> this is not a lie...but an indication [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Kelsey's career intersected with the passage of laws strengthening the > FDA's oversight of pharmaceuticals." > but it was approved in other countries..I believe this poster is from the > UK... "bellsouth" is a USAian type of email address, so I assumed she/he meant the USA (also going on thread title). I recently ran into someone who claimed thalidomide was an American product forced on Europe! He kind of had it a bit mixed up. > but she is right that its indication was nausea..not miscarriage > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> Kelsey's career intersected with the passage of laws strengthening the >> FDA's oversight of pharmaceuticals." ahhh...you are correct I was thinking of the drug used to prevent miscarriage....sorry cannot come up with the name...but the next generation of women who's moms used it..had increased risks of female cancers as for the nausea use...thanks for having a better memory than me actually makes more sense... > On Mar 24, 5:50 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> this is not a lie...but an indication [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think you will find it was aproved to relieve the nausea in the > first trimester ! On Mar 26, 12:28 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ahhh...you are correct > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You may be thinking of Diethylstilbestrol or DES. It believe it was used up until the late 1940s to prevent miscarriage. I had a close friend, who was born to a mother, who had taken it. - > You may be thinking of Diethylstilbestrol or DES. It believe it was > used up until the late 1940s to prevent miscarriage. I had a close > friend, who was born to a mother, who had taken it. It was used later than that--I'm thinking into the late 60's or early 70's. My mom took it in the 40s, and 50s. > It was used later than that--I'm thinking into the late 60's or early > 70's. > My mom took it in the 40s, and 50s. . > My mom took it in the 40s, and 50s. It was the 50's. I know. Been there, al almost did that. Had alternative that didn't work either, but as far as I know it did not effect future generation as did DES. > . > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > alternative that didn't work either, but as far as I know it did not > effect future generation as did DES. I had remembered my friend mentioning it was well into the 1940s - but after reading more about it the last few days, it appears to have been available into the 1970s. > You may be thinking of Diethylstilbestrol or DES. It believe it was > used up until the late 1940s to prevent miscarriage. I had a close > friend, who was born to a mother, who had taken it. Here's the information--and a registry. It says here it was banned in 1971. > I was thinking of the drug used to prevent miscarriage....sorry cannot come > up with the name...but the next generation of women who's moms used it..had > increased risks of female cancers DES -- diethylsilbesterol. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Disinformation Agent, "DC Sessions" showed his ignorance once again > with this statement: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > accelerated approval for thalidomide (THALOMID®, made by the Celgene > Corporation) in ...www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/druginfo/fda-thalidomide True. However, when Thalidomide was causing all of those brith defects, the FDA refused to approve it. Now, it is being used, with the knowledge that it cannot be used during pregnancy, to treat such things a leprosy and multiple myeloma. It is quite effective. > True. However, when Thalidomide was causing all of those brith > defects, the FDA refused to approve it. Now, it is being used, with > the knowledge that it cannot be used during pregnancy, to treat such > things a leprosy and multiple myeloma. > > It is quite effective. Define effective for us. So, now you are claiming that a deficiency of thalidomide causes leprosy and multiple myeloma? DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Mar 24, 8:20 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > > True. However, when Thalidomide was causing all of those brith > > defects, the FDA refused to approve it. Now, it is being used, with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So, now you are claiming that a deficiency of thalidomide causes > leprosy and multiple myeloma? No, idiot. I am not claiming that. Learn how to avoid logical fallacies. On Mar 24, 8:20 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > On Mar 24, 8:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So, now you are claiming that a deficiency of thalidomide causes > leprosy and multiple myeloma? No, idiot. I am not claiming that. Learn how to avoid logical fallacies. Groups View all web results » Results 1 - 10 of about 2,400 for Mark Probert Idiot http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html G-d's Justice System When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system. If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted; there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds, visit upon others daily. http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338 In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:" The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100% 'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible. When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two different issues. What to say, and how to say it. First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said. When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it. He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his ideas in positive terms. Myrl C Jeffcoat ... best known for advertising Merck's Gardasil and her 7 years of her "I Hate Ilena Rosenthal" Campaign, joined at her hips with Patrick O'leary (head of Eurosilicone) and Vera Teasdale aka Terry Polevoy, posted her typical disinformation ... this time about DES. Jeffcoat has been hawking Gardasail ... using the same techniques as Eli Lilly did to cover up the harm of DES. Your claim that Gardasil is a 'wonder drug' and your absurd lie that it can "restore" people to health after HPV shows you have learned to lie just like your predecessors. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/myrl.html MyrlSpeak: " It believe it was used up until the late 1940s to prevent miscarriage." No Myrl ... as usual, your 'belief' is a disinformation. FACTS: DES, diethylstilbestrol, is a drug that was given to millions of pregnant women, primarily from 1938 to 1971. This synthetic hormone was touted as a "wonder drug" and widely prescribed in the mistaken belief that it could prevent miscarriage. In addition to having no effect on miscarriage, it has resulted in health problems for the women who took the drug as well as their daughters and sons. http://www.descancer.org/timeline.html > Myrl C Jeffcoat ... best known for advertising Merck's Gardasil and > her 7 years of her "I Hate Ilena Rosenthal" Campaign, joined at her [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > http://www.descancer.org/timeline.html Ilena - You are so full of crap, I'm surprised you don't see the world as brown. The only thing I have mentioned about DES was to try to put a label to the damaging drug that was associated with miscarriage. Another poster had it confused with another drug, and I was trying to put the proper label on the one he was trying to identify. As I said in that posting, I had a friend born to a mother who had taken DES. She suffers health issues associated with that drug! Ilena - you really ought to do something different with your life. Your using newsgroups as a personal tool for your very own self- promotion as an Internet Rodeo Clown is transparent. http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com On Mar 27, 12:45 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> In addition to having no > effect on miscarriage, it has resulted in health problems for the > women who took the drug as well as their daughters and sons. You are correct on this. I am of the generation that was prescribed this for repeated miscarriages. Later it was noticed that the offspring of women who took the DES had unforeseen problems. (I am now beginning my 80's!) My OB at the time did not prescribe the DES but an alternative. > On Mar 27, 12:45 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> In addition to having > no [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > now beginning my 80's!) My OB at the time did not prescribe the DES > but an alternative. In the case of my friend, who was born to a mother, who took DES in the 1940s, she not only experienced unforeseen problems, but her children did as well! Although DES was prescribed to prevent miscarriage, there doesn't seem to be evidence it was actually successful in that endeavor.
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