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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008A Woman lives 20 years after uterine cancer ... no chemo, radiation nor surgery ... used Laetrile instead ... died pain free
I have watched Myrl Jeffcoat do 180 degree twirls since early 2002 ... so when I read her "pus or poison" comments about laetrile (coincidentally one of the targets of the Quackwatch / Anti-alt Med Brigade) ... I was reminded of her earlier comments on the same subject. On August 1, 2001, Myrl discussed fondly how her Mother had lived for more than 20 years after her uterine cancer diagnosis ... without chemo, radiation, nor surgery ... and was a devotee of apricot pits, aka laetrile. She was justifiably very grateful that she had died pain free. EXCERPT:" Here's what I know about the 20+ years that my mother lived with cancer. She was active, strong (very strong), and she was without pain." (see full text below.) http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.health/browse_frm/thread/5345a73520604e 8f/63c92e96f327ee35?lnk=st&q=laetrile+myrl#63c92e96f327ee35 Later ... in a venomous email using the Quackwatch / Snake-oil Model of attack ... she now seems to blame laetrile for her mother's death ... and never mentions that her mother died pain free. In fact, in this "after Quackwatch / Probert" thread ... her story is twisted and she seems to have been coached to change her story and attack laetrile now instead of the gratitude she had shown pre-Quackwatch. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/8ae029c3bce6a1a6?d mode=source It is my belief ... after watching Myrl's attacks on me for 6 years ... that when she joined with my 3 losing plaintiffs to attack and stalk me ... she also joined in their various, pharma backed hate attacks on various alternatives. Myrl now screams at alt healers as QUACKS ... and promotes non board certified, vaccination promoter, Barrett. She too, has become a veritable fountain of propaganda about Gardasil. Here is Myrl BEFORE being quackwatched. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.health/browse_frm/thread/5345a73520604e 8f/63c92e96f327ee35?lnk=st&q=laetrile+myrl#63c92e96f327ee35 I know a little about laetrile from my mother's experiences form the 1950s until 1975. My mother happened to be one of the first health food devotees that shuffled across this planet, when Adele Davis' book, "Let's Get Well," hit the shelves in the mid 1960s. My mother already had been trying certain remedies that she'd been taking since about 1954 or so, when she was first diagnosed with uterine cancer. My mother was totally against invasive treatments, and never had a hysterectomy, chemo or radiation. I was only about eleven when she was originally diagnosed, and I remember being traumatized as a kid, because no one treated cancer lightly back then, and they especially didn't try to "eat" their way out of it with food. . .nutritious or not. We had two apricot trees in the back yard, and my mother would harvest the seeds/pits from the apricots and eat the inner parts of the seed (laetrile), she also made teas out of things that would choke a horse to drink. Here's what I know about the 20+ years that my mother lived with cancer. She was active, strong (very strong), and she was without pain. She buried two husbands after she was diagnosed. . .My father, and then after re-marriage my step father. She led a happy and productive life, with much joy, and saw many grandchildren born (including my own children). She died in 1975 at the age of 65 years of age. When I had put her on a plane to visit my sister in Alaska, 3 weeks prior to her death, she seemed in good health, but was complaining a little of a burning pain in her back. She had developed the pain earlier that summer. My sister called about 10 days into the visit with her, and said my mother had been hospitalized in Anchorage. Mom had collapsed in her home. At first they thought she had the flu and vertigo, because she was so dizzy. But closer scrutiny, showed that my mother's cancer had metastasized, and was in her spine, brain, and liver now too. But she was still remarkably with out much pain or discomfort. The doctors could not believe that my mother had boarded a plane just 10 days prior. . .But what really blew them away was the fact my mother owned two (two story) appartment houses, and had painted the exterior of them herself using a brush. Yup, that's no sprayer, and no rollers. She told me the hardest part was moving the ladder. Even though she was just 5'2" and weighed 105 lbs throughout her life (and until her death), she had managed the painting in the month preceding her trip. We brought mom home to Sacramento, because she begged to come back to where her friends and the majority of her family were. She lasted just one week after she returned. We had immediately placed her in Sutter Hospital here, and an oncologist immediately started putting mom through endless batteries of tests, spinal taps, etc. We begged him not to. . .The doctors in Anchorage, had told us there would likely only be 3 weeks or so of life left anyway. At that point, we couldn't seem to get the doctor to stop, and allow her to just be comfortable. . .and I feel I really let my mother down by not being able to do so. The only pain that she ever really felt was from the endless spinal taps, and what ever testing she was being put through. After she passed, my sister and I were sitting in the funeral home, when the the oncologist (pompous a.s) called. He was desperately trying to find us because he wanted to do an autopsy. "What is it your trying to find out?" I asked. "We want to know why your mother experienced no pain, when she was so riddled with cancer." He said. "Well, I believe it was because my mother ate apricot pits," I said. But pompous a.s already had his mind made up, and said, "Oh, it couldn't possibly be that." I then knew, there was no way this jerk was going to perform an autopsy on my mother with an open mind to findings. . .and my sister and I both declined his request. He wrote on her death certificate that the initial uterine cancer was of relatively short duration (about 18 months or so), and that distresses me, because all of our family and friends know otherwise. In the end, I feel if my mother had had the surgery (hysterectomy) back in the 1950s, and maybe forgone the chemo and the radiation, but tried a few things that she was into of the alternative methods, she may have been with us a lot longer than she was. Again, it's about using all the medical tools at your disposal, both traditional and non-traditional. I find it difficult thinking of non-traditional in that light, because herbal remedies have been with mankind a whole lot longer, and are more traditional than the invasive "traditional" methods we practice predominantly in this country. Herbs/plants actually make up more than 1/3 of the ingredients that are in our pharmaseudicals that we pay the big bucks to our drug companies for. I do have concerns that the laetrile may have gotten to my mother's liver, because of the arsenic content. . .but she did have 20+ good years after her original diagnosis, and I think that chemo and radiation back then would not have left her unscathed either. The bottom line is my mother's way left her in control of her life. Medicine in this society is patriarical, and it also makes a lot of undeserving people and corporations very very wealthy. I wouldn't mind so much, but I see much medicine that isn't serving any of us well. . .and yes, it's the year 2001, a full 26 years since my mother's death, and we don't have a cure yet! Myrl Yes Ilena that was my mother! My mother was one of the first health devotees that I knew. And, I continue to stand by my earlier comments to this day! The only thing I do wish however, is that my mother had gone through surgery in the early years to remove the disease, prior to its becoming metastatic. She relied heavily on alternative health people, who discouraged her from that course. But she did maintain a very healthy diet. My mother was 65 years old at the time of her death. I feel if she had undergone the surgery, and continued on with her healthy eating life-style (she was an avid juicer - like I am), and grew her own fruits, nuts and vegetables, she would have likely eeked out several more healthy years, beyond the years she managed. Interestingly enough, we have another family member, who went through cancer, and was also remained pain-free. We have had it explained to us, that once cancer spreads to the brain (as it did in my mother, and as it did in my other family member's case, then remaining pain free, can occur. All that being said, Laetrile is a poison. When it affects the liver, as it did my mother it can become ugly! Unlike what you try to imply Ilena - I'm most certainly not totally against alternative medicine. As a health consummer (as I think most folks are), I continue to wish the FDA would do a better job policing the pharmaseudicals and medical devices they are charged to police, and often don't. That being said, I don't think it's wise for people to totally jump the fence away from organized medicine, to gather in front of the gypsy wagons of snake-oil salesmen, to buy elixers and wares which are often fraudulent, innefective, potentially damaging, and dangerous. In a more perfect newsgroup on the subject of alternative health, we would see people, who were capable of debating the good and bad of available products, and aid health consummers in make wise choices. Alas, this newsgroup appears to be more populated by flim-flam salesmen, hawking products and ideas, which are in the flim-flam arena! I have written an article for "In The Know" titled, "Healing Strategies". . .It is archived in this newsgroup! If you read it more closely - you will note that nearly everything I did to return my ownself back to some measure of health, was more from the nutrition, and a physical fitness way of life. > I have watched Myrl Jeffcoat do 180 degree twirls since early 2002 ... > so when I read her "pus or poison" comments about laetrile [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > Myrl I'm, confused here if your mother HAD gone thru surgery in the early years...that likely could have "cured her"...regardless of what potions she took plus...brain cancer not being painful?? yikes...it most certainly is Yes Ilena that was my mother! My mother was one of the first health devotees that I knew. And, I continue to stand by my earlier comments to this day! The only thing I do wish however, is that my mother had gone through surgery in the early years to remove the disease, prior to its becoming metastatic. She relied heavily on alternative health people, who discouraged her from that course. But she did maintain a very healthy diet. My mother was 65 years old at the time of her death. I feel if she had undergone the surgery, and continued on with her healthy eating life-style (she was an avid juicer - like I am), and grew her own fruits, nuts and vegetables, she would have likely eeked out several more healthy years, beyond the years she managed. Interestingly enough, we have another family member, who went through cancer, and was also remained pain-free. We have had it explained to us, that once cancer spreads to the brain (as it did in my mother, and as it did in my other family member's case, then remaining pain free, can occur. All that being said, Laetrile is a poison. When it affects the liver, as it did my mother it can become ugly! Unlike what you try to imply Ilena - I'm most certainly not totally against alternative medicine. As a health consummer (as I think most folks are), I continue to wish the FDA would do a better job policing the pharmaseudicals and medical devices they are charged to police, and often don't. That being said, I don't think it's wise for people to totally jump the fence away from organized medicine, to gather in front of the gypsy wagons of snake-oil salesmen, to buy elixers and wares which are often fraudulent, innefective, potentially damaging, and dangerous. In a more perfect newsgroup on the subject of alternative health, we would see people, who were capable of debating the good and bad of available products, and aid health consummers in make wise choices. Alas, this newsgroup appears to be more populated by flim-flam salesmen, hawking products and ideas, which are in the flim-flam arena! I have written an article for "In The Know" titled, "Healing Strategies". . .It is archived in this newsgroup! If you read it more closely - you will note that nearly everything I did to return my ownself back to some measure of health, was more from the nutrition, and a physical fitness way of life. On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: > I have watched Myrl Jeffcoat do 180 degree twirls since early 2002 ... > so when I read her "pus or poison" comments about laetrile [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > > Myrl On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I'm, confused here > > if your mother HAD gone thru surgery in the early years...that likely could > have "cured her"...regardless of what potions she took > > plus...brain cancer not being painful?? yikes...it most certainly is I have known people to endure brain cancer, and experience much pain. My mother's cancer had spread to the brain. When the second family member went through a similar scenario a few years back, we questioned the doctor. The doctor explained that if the cancer wipes out the part of the brain that sends pain signals to the remainder of the body, it can cause a "pain free" situation. I also agree that had my mother underwent the surgery in earlier years, it would have likely cured her! In 1989 I followed in my mother's footprints with cervical cancer. I ended up having the surgery, never underwent chemo, etc. I have been fine since then. I am a firm believer in Gardasil, or any vaccine which can prevent HPV, and up to 70% of cervical cancer. This disease has cost my mother her life, and threatened mine. I have 3 daughters, and 3 grand-daughters. I want them to all be able to say they remember the day, when this was one more disease that became less of a threat in women's lives. > This disease has cost my mother her life, and threatened mine. I have > 3 daughters, and 3 grand-daughters. I want them to all be able to say > they remember the day, when this was one more disease that became less > of a threat in women's lives. This is MHA. Your support of the vaccine industry proves that you don't care about children. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Yes Ilena that was my mother! My mother was one of the first health > devotees that I knew. And, I continue to stand by my earlier comments [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > All that being said, Laetrile is a poison. When it affects the liver, > as it did my mother it can become ugly! That was a nice journey back in time. Thank you to both Ilena for bringing the post back to life, and Myrl for the additional memories. A lot of poisons effect the liver, even those involved with chemo have had liver problems - I think your mother was a smart woman to choose the nutrition route --this sounds like it was her choice to go that route - and I believe that each of us should be more involved like your mother apparently was in her own health care. Yes Ilena that was my mother! My mother was one of the first health devotees that I knew. And, I continue to stand by my earlier comments to this day! The only thing I do wish however, is that my mother had gone through surgery in the early years to remove the disease, prior to its becoming metastatic. She relied heavily on alternative health people, who discouraged her from that course. But she did maintain a very healthy diet. My mother was 65 years old at the time of her death. I feel if she had undergone the surgery, and continued on with her healthy eating life-style (she was an avid juicer - like I am), and grew her own fruits, nuts and vegetables, she would have likely eeked out several more healthy years, beyond the years she managed. Interestingly enough, we have another family member, who went through cancer, and was also remained pain-free. We have had it explained to us, that once cancer spreads to the brain (as it did in my mother, and as it did in my other family member's case, then remaining pain free, can occur. All that being said, Laetrile is a poison. When it affects the liver, as it did my mother it can become ugly! Unlike what you try to imply Ilena - I'm most certainly not totally against alternative medicine. As a health consummer (as I think most folks are), I continue to wish the FDA would do a better job policing the pharmaseudicals and medical devices they are charged to police, and often don't. That being said, I don't think it's wise for people to totally jump the fence away from organized medicine, to gather in front of the gypsy wagons of snake-oil salesmen, to buy elixers and wares which are often fraudulent, innefective, potentially damaging, and dangerous. In a more perfect newsgroup on the subject of alternative health, we would see people, who were capable of debating the good and bad of available products, and aid health consummers in make wise choices. Alas, this newsgroup appears to be more populated by flim-flam salesmen, hawking products and ideas, which are in the flim-flam arena! I have written an article for "In The Know" titled, "Healing Strategies". . .It is archived in this newsgroup! If you read it more closely - you will note that nearly everything I did to return my ownself back to some measure of health, was more from the nutrition, and a physical fitness way of life. On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote: > I have watched Myrl Jeffcoat do 180 degree twirls since early 2002 ... > so when I read her "pus or poison" comments about laetrile [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > (see full text below) >I have watched Myrl Jeffcoat do 180 degree twirls since early 2002 ... > so when I read her "pus or poison" comments about laetrile [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.health/browse_frm/thread/5345a73520604e 8f/63c92e96f327ee35?lnk=st&q=laetrile+myrl#63c92e96f327ee35 Myrl displays the same dishonesty as her buddy Mark S Probert. > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.kids.health/browse_frm/thread/534... > [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > Myrl > All that being said, Laetrile is a poison. When it affects the liver, > as it did my mother it can become ugly! How would you even know this? You clearly stated in your story that you and your sister refused to get an autopsy report. How do you know 100% that it was the laetrile in the first place? And I found where you report in a post on October 21, 2007, where you state in your own words, " I've repeatedly stated that I am not a medical professional. I don't make diagnosis." It would appear you just diagnosed your own mother long after she died in your claim above.
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