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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Alternate HIV theories
In the past week, the pastor for a presidential candidate for president claimed that the US Government created HIV, the AIDS virus. He further added that it did so as an act of genocide against "people of color". The conventional wisdom is that HIV is a virus that existed long before humans. Some folks are unwilling to accept that. Some don't even accept that HIV exists. For those who do not accept the conventional wisdom, but believe it exists, what do you think about: 1. The origin of HIV 2. The notion that it is a weapon 3. Its efficacy as a biological weapon 4. The source of the technology required to manufacture such a retro- virus 5. How to treat or cure HIV For those who accept the conventional wisdom, what do you think of people who say OR believe that HIV is man-made? Do you think that they believe it or are using it to inflame the passions of the angry & credulous? Do you think that the US government had the technology to create such a virus back in the 70's or 80's? Do you think the US governement currently has the technology to create such a virus? Do you think the US governement currently has the technology to cure HIV? On Mar 21, 3:36 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > In the past week, the pastor for a presidential candidate for > president claimed that the US Government created HIV, the AIDS virus. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Do you think the US governement currently has the technology to cure > HIV? Nothing really would surprise me, or not surprise me in this regard. But then I think the anthrax cases around the nation which targeted certain news media, congressmen, and postal workers were fairly obviously domestic terrorist originated. Especially once they tracked the strain to one of our own military facilities, and the person of interest associated with the events was associated with that facility. Most of the anthrax incident targets were considered "liberal" - not the "conservatives" you would have thought foreign terrorists would have been more interested in. Nope - I look at the anthrax attacks as being an effort to further foment terrism scares in this country to justify much of what this administration has managed to pull off in the name of homeland security for the last 7 years. Yet, very few politicians of either party seem to be really committed to securing our border, or getting a handle on illegal immigration. And this country does have a history of experimenting on certain segments of society. We aren't that far removed from the Tuskegee Studies, which withheld treatment of syphlis from black men. Or the testing of atomic bombs in the southwest US, etc. I'm not certain HIV is man made - but I wouldn't totally discount that it has been manipulated in someway by scientists, and in the course of their studies may have gotten out of their control! I realize I'm a lay person - not a scientist! Therefore, I'm only left to ponder, not really know! > I'm not certain HIV is man made - but I wouldn't totally discount that > it has been manipulated in someway by scientists, and in the course of > their studies may have gotten out of their control! > > I realize I'm a lay person - not a scientist! Therefore, I'm only > left to ponder, not really know! I don't think it is man made given its timeline. I will say if I was modifying it to kill more people, I insert a gene for the manufacture of testosterone to up the libido of the infected and thus the spread of the disease more wildly. And I'd program the virus to respond to a drug whom my corporation could patent and market as a life long treatment for it rich victims. The poor die. Just call me John Lilly Wyeth ;-) Wipe that Merck off your face this isn't funny. > On Mar 21, 3:36 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Studies, which withheld treatment of syphlis from black men. Or the > testing of atomic bombs in the southwest US, etc. Myrl, do you not see the difference in the abominable practice of using unsuspecting people as guinea pigs VS genocide? Do you think HIV has been anywhere nearly as effective as other forms of genocide like in Rowanda or Nazi Germany? At any rate, you've begged the question of whet > I'm not certain HIV is man made - but I wouldn't totally discount that > it has been manipulated in someway by scientists, and in the course of > their studies may have gotten out of their control! > > I realize I'm a lay person - not a scientist! Therefore, I'm only > left to ponder, not really know!- Hide quoted text - Well, it strikes me as odd how many people believe that it was made by the US (20+ years ago) but they don't believe the moon landings were real. I appreciate your response. I would ask if you to tell me if you don't doubt your government is trying to commit genocide, why you stay here and pay taxes in support of that effort. I realize that you haven't said that you *believe* it, but that you would not dismiss it as science fiction, paranoid conspiracy, or an attempt to inflame passions. Bear in mind, the USA has several thousand nuclear warheads, something that the genocidal a.sholes in Iran WOULD use, if they had them. So, why do you stay with and support a government that you don't doubt is going around its elbow to get to its thumb to commit genocide? > - Show quoted text - Perhaps the Pastor can't admit the virus is a God given "gift" to the sons of Adam for listening to the snake's voice ;-) ? On Mar 22, 2:58 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Perhaps the Pastor can't admit the virus is a God given "gift" > to the sons of Adam for listening to the snake's voice ;-) ? I think if God had wanted to "gift" or visit a virus on the sons of Adam, he would have kick started the program a few millennia earlier. But I fully understand about the "snake's voice" - there are a lot of those around;-) > On Mar 22, 2:58 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But I fully understand about the "snake's voice" - there are a lot of > those around;-) Uh, Myrl, I realize that I'm stepping outside of what is printed in Genesis, but do you realize that viruses and bacteria predate humans by more than a few millennia? In other words, while I wouldn't call them a "gift" or a punishment from God, they were here before we were. On Mar 22, 11:55 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2:58 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > by more than a few millennia? In other words, while I wouldn't call > them a "gift" or a punishment from God, they were here before we were. Instead of guessing, why not watch the free video "deconstructing the myth of AIDS" by Gary Null, available on Google Video for free. AIDS should be called DIDS. Drug Induced Deficiency Syndrome. You may thank big pharma, the US gov., and the medical monopoly, and let's not leave out your local prescription drug pusher, your MD. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Mar 22, 6:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > On Mar 22, 11:55 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Instead of guessing, why not watch the free video "deconstructing the > myth of AIDS" by Gary Null, available on Google Video for free. I've seen it. While it is much shorter than "Battlefield Earth", it really isn't much better. > AIDS should be called DIDS. Drug Induced Deficiency Syndrome. > You may thank big pharma, the US gov., and the medical monopoly, and > let's not leave out your local prescription drug pusher, your MD. Well, since you don't believe in communicable disease, your comments are as superfluous as they are supercilious. Here's a website that would be a good starting point for someone with your, um, "background" in chemistry. http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/chemistry/chemtext.html > DrCee > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On Mar 22, 3:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > On Mar 22, 11:55 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dr Cee - If you think AIDS is a drug induced deficiency syndrome, why do you think it is so prevalent in parts of Africa, which are almost too poor to have access to drugs? > Dr Cee - If you think AIDS is a drug induced deficiency syndrome, why > do you think it is so prevalent in parts of Africa, which are almost > too poor to have access to drugs? Hey, space is no barrier when it travels in TIME back to the early days of the "gay plague" when there weren't any drugs being used for it and in fact when it wasn't even recognized. The drug effects must have jumped back from later, don't you see? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ >> Dr Cee - If you think AIDS is a drug induced deficiency syndrome, why >> do you think it is so prevalent in parts of Africa, which are almost [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >recognized. The drug effects must have jumped back from >later, don't you see? I've been told by several people that AZT causes AIDS. The evidence is correlation - almost everyone who has ever taken AZT has also had AIDS. When I ask if splints cause fractures and sutures cause knife wounds they say I am diverting the conversation. And they let these people vote and drive cars.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >In message <2bf92272-a8c4-451a-8aed-4b16ea311...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Myrl wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > And they let these people vote and drive cars. I'm working on that; this thread is being monitored by the Florida board of elections. > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 > The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles > Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > On Mar 22, 3:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > Dr Cee - If you think AIDS is a drug induced deficiency syndrome, why > do you think it is so prevalent in parts of Africa, which are almost > too poor to have access to drugs?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are right in that the Africans cannot afford pharmaceutical drugs let alone the recreactional dugs of AIDS in the US. However, you fail to admit and recognize that AIDS in Africa has four criteria and none of those are that the intended victim be HIV positive ( they cannot afford the tests either). All you have to be is malnurished and sick. Your tribe will then shun you and you will die. If you can get the anti-retroviral drugs for free, then you will die. Either way your goose is cooked. Why do you think the leader of South Africa has refused to allow the UN and the WHO to continue to poison and kill the African people with their drugs? He knows. You do not or else you choose to ignore the truth and not admit it. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Mar 22, 11:55 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 10:00 am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > by more than a few millennia? In other words, while I wouldn't call > them a "gift" or a punishment from God, they were here before we were. Instead of guessing, why not watch the free video "deconstructing the myth of AIDS" by Gary Null, available on Google Video for free. oh...you mean no nothing Gary Null....about as dumb as you are but he can afford tv time.... AIDS should be called DIDS. Drug Induced Deficiency Syndrome. You may thank big pharma, the US gov., and the medical monopoly, and let's not leave out your local prescription drug pusher, your MD. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. .. a bunch of stuff mixed in with Cee's drivel. Hawki? Please? Find a way to separate your stuff from the stuff you're quoting. I certainly have my preferences but *anything* -- even that hash that whrlwnd does -- is some improvement over guessing. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > .. a bunch of stuff mixed in with Cee's drivel. > > Hawki? Please? Find a way to separate your stuff from > the stuff you're quoting. I certainly have my preferences > but *anything* -- even that hash that whrlwnd does -- is > some improvement over guessing. sorry....I usually top post...which might be the answer again...my apologies for the confusion hawki > | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ On Mar 22, 9:45 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Instead of guessing, why not watch the free video "deconstructing the > myth of AIDS" by Gary Null, available on Google Video for free. > > oh...you mean no nothing Gary Null....about as dumb as you are > > but he can afford tv time.... You pretend to have a medical education, yet your indoctrinated and brainwashed pea brain does not understand the difference between "no" and "know". DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. no...I meant NO nothing...Gary Null is an unedated TV spokeshole his "theories and knowledge are sorta like yours" so I did mean NO NOTHING NULL...ie NO means no knowledge On Mar 22, 9:45 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Instead of guessing, why not watch the free video "deconstructing the > myth of AIDS" by Gary Null, available on Google Video for free. > > oh...you mean no nothing Gary Null....about as dumb as you are > > but he can afford tv time.... You pretend to have a medical education, yet your indoctrinated and brainwashed pea brain does not understand the difference between "no" and "know". DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. > no...I meant NO nothing...Gary Null is an unedated TV spokeshole > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > DrCee > You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. Why "Auntie" Hawki, are you here still getting that negitive attention fix that people like you so need? >On Mar 22, 9:45 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >brainwashed pea brain does not understand the difference between "no" >and "know". Anyone who makes as many misspellings as you do, Cee, is in a poor position to criticize. Let's consider your previous posting, in which you brilliantly spelled "appetite" as "appatite." Or did you mean the mineral "apatite?" With you, who knows? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >>On Mar 22, 9:45 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Or did you mean the mineral "apatite?" With you, who knows? I thought that "no nothing Null" was quite clever, but I didn't expect the language deficient to pick it up. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > In article > <11addcf1-d5a5-4c18-9721-70ac30921b89@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > on?" > -- Bill Maher Since genius often cannot spell or do simple math, we know that David Wrong is only of average IQ. Why take advice from just "average"? >> In article >> <11addcf1-d5a5-4c18-9721-70ac30921b89@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Since genius often cannot spell or do simple math, we know that David Wrong >is only of average IQ. Why take advice from just "average"? Why take advice from tools, who cannot handle even simple logic? (And cannot operate a newsreader half the time. Hell, even Jan can do that, and she's barely sentient at this point.) -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "There are two kinds of Republicans: millionaires and suckers." -- John Dolan The One True Zhen Jue wrote... > In the past week, the pastor for a presidential candidate for > president claimed that the US Government created HIV, the AIDS virus. > He further added that it did so as an act of genocide against "people > of color". So his experience preeching Jebus makes him knowledgable about molecular biology as well as giving him access to top-secret government documents? > For those who accept the conventional wisdom, what do you think of > people who say OR believe that HIV is man-made? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Do you think the US governement currently has the technology to cure > HIV? The U.S. government never could have created such a virus thirty years ago and probably still couldn't today. The virus eludes the best attempts by today's scientists to eradicate it, and it seems unlikely that better science existed decades ago that would have allowed the creation of a synthetic genome that is more sophisticated that the human immune system. And while we're on the subject of CIA/HIV conspiracy theories, I seem to remember that the gay activists accused Ronald Reagan of inventing AIDS to kill gays and blacks. Since HIV has an incubation time of several years and since the first U.S. cases were reported in October 1981, that means the virus was introduced sometime in the late 1970s - during Jimmy Carter's presidency. I suppose the plot involves senile Ronnie whipping up the virus in the Oval Office sometime in Spring of 1981, then using the CIA's secret time machine to transport the plague back to 1977 so that Jimmy Carter could be blamed. > And while we're on the subject of CIA/HIV conspiracy theories, I seem > to remember that the gay activists accused Ronald Reagan of inventing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Spring of 1981, then using the CIA's secret time machine to transport > the plague back to 1977 so that Jimmy Carter could be blamed. No, he did it while governor of California. Or maybe while hosting a series of Westerns on TV. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ On Mar 21, 3:36 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > In the past week, the pastor for a presidential candidate for > president claimed that the US Government created HIV, the AIDS virus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > even accept that HIV exists. For those who do not accept the > conventional wisdom, but believe it exists, what do you think about: Have you heard of the Cindy Kolb Aids Foundation out of San Francisco? They might be able to assist you with some information. I wonder if Cindy Kolb is any relation to Tom Kolb, the infamous guitarist? |
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