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drceephd@insightbb.com - 21 Mar 2008 17:41 GMT
I just ran across this article.  I have to wonder just how paying a
pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the
numbers.  At the present time, the CDC admits that, maybe 1% of all
adverse events are reported.
The CDC reports that nearly 128,000 acverse events were reported to
VAERS form 1991 to 2001.  Using the admitted multiplier of 100, there
may well have been 12,800,000 adverse events, or about 1.28 million
per year.  How many deaths do you think are contained in 1.28 million
adverse vaccine events each and every year?

Here is part of the article:

The vaccine scam.

This document was provided by
Continuum Magazine
VOL. 5 No. 2
By Michael Verney-Elliott

The vaccine scam works like this. Identify and magnify an 'epidemic'
disease, whip up world panic, and devise a vaccine against the
supposed causative agent. Administer the vaccine, preferably just
before the epidemic starts to wane naturally, and then, when the cases
of the disease start to diminish, claim the vaccine has worked and the
pharmaceutical company who manufactures it will get the credit for
saving mankind. There will be bouquets and Nobel prizes all round and
every one makes a lot of money. One has only to look at the cases of
the anti-poIio and anti-smallpox vaccine campaigns to see the classic
modus operandi in taking credit for ending epidemics, which in the
manner of all self-limiting phenomena, were already dying out before
the vaccine was introduced.
In the USA during the late 'forties, there was a noticeable increase
in polio cases. This prompted the authorities to pay a bounty of $25
to GP's reporting any suspected case of polio, treating it as a
notifiable disease. The numbers of cases of 'polio' shot up, causing a
national panic. Any stiff neck or slight limp was reported. Curiously,
at the same time, the official number of cases of aseptic meningitis,
which shares some symptoms with polio, and previously reached some
25,000 annually nationwide, disappeared completely. A whole disease
just vanished. Subsequently, when the polio epidemic had abated, the
credit being given to Salk and Sabin's polio vaccines (which
frequently caused polio ! ) the numbers of meningitis cases returned
to their previous level. Professor Gordon Stewart explained to me that
the same thing happened in India when people were paid a few rupees to
report cases of smallpox during the WHO's anti-smallpox campaign As a
result, official figures for chickenpox disappeared during the
campaign, but reappeared with a bang after smallpox was declared
eradicated in 1980. The trick is to make sure you get in with the
vaccine just before the numbers of cases of the disease start to
diminish. In the case of polio, the definition of the disease was
later tightened up to exclude illnesses with similar symptoms -
meningitis, encephalopathies etc. - and presto, there was a dramatic
drop in the official polio cases. Hooray, the vaccine worked.

I guess the old saying is true, you really do get what you pay for.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 18:05 GMT
> I just ran across this article.  I have to wonder just how paying a
> pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the
> numbers.  At the present time, the CDC admits that, maybe 1% of all
> adverse events are reported.

They do?  References.
(Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this
number from and I'm calling BS.)

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 21 Mar 2008 20:08 GMT
> They do?  References.
> (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this
> number from and I'm calling BS.)

Where did it come from?    I love the way people yell b.S. around
here----D.C. you have no medical background---but we know you were/are
a technical writer of some kind, and worked for one of the
organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work
place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point
----

Why would you even care about vaccines?

None of it makes any sense.

I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I
heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come
to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch
on a broker's open house tour.
Now, that is sad.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 20:24 GMT
>> They do?  References.
>> (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work
> place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point

It's amazing the things that people know that just ain't so.

> Why would you even care about vaccines?

Because I care about people.

> I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I
> heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come
> to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch
> on a broker's open house tour.

Your speculations are, of course, yours alone.  I could
speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very
much that you would feel bound by my fantasies.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 22 Mar 2008 00:44 GMT
> Your speculations are, of course, yours alone.  I could
> speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very
> much that you would feel bound by my fantasies.
>
> --
I thought you worked for Philips semiconductor  long ago, or something
like
that as writer.  I remember someone writing you were connected to the
semiconductor
world.

If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?
D. C. Sessions - 22 Mar 2008 01:35 GMT
> If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?

Yup -- and I'm old enough to remember what it was like
before most of those vaccines that you and the gang have the
luxury of badmouthing.

I also work with a lot of people who grew up in India, and
in China, and in a bunch of other countries where smallpox
was killing people in the memory of those still in the
workforce.  I had a co-worker a few years ago from Egypt
who had survived smallpox, but will wear the scars to his
grave; I'm glad I just wear one on my arm.  Not exactly
blue and white with a star, but I'll wear it with pride
anyway.

I went to school with kids who had gone deaf from measles.
I know people who are crippled from polio, and I grew up
reading Arthur C. Clarke, who died of post-polio syndrome
this week.  I had a babysitter crippled by meningitis.

My mother knew families who lost children to pertussis
and diphtheria.  My paternal grandmother died when my
father was three from a disease you almost never see
today.  Mark Probert knows a family who lost a child
to haemophilus influenzae meningitis.  $HERSELF lost
a year of her life to the one disease she skipped the
vaccine for before traveling in Latin America.

$HERSELF has listened to babies dying of pertussis.
Don't worry, it can't happen to yours, right?

You have the luxury of taking the absence of smallpox,
polio, pertussis, measles, mumps, diphtheria, rubella,
meningococcal disease, haemophilus influenzae, most
kinds of hepatitis, etc. for granted.  That's nice.

In the "money where your mouth is" department, how
about taking your kids and living in Uganda for a year
without any of those horrible vaccinations.  Drink the
water.  Don't bother with mosquito nets (Cee will tell
you that mosquitos can't hurt you.)

When _my_ kids go to the Phillipines on business or
to one of those other countries for research or for
humanitarian aid, there will be at least a few things
that they won't have to worry about because their
immunizations are current.

For that matter, I'm due for my first pertussis shot
in fifty years this month.  Not for my sake, but for the
grandkids I hope to have and the others my friends
already have.

"O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins
to play,"

Money, mouth.  If the pharmaceutical industry and the
folk in the front lines are so horrible, then by all means
skip the Cipro and use homeopathy when your children
start coughing with that high-pitched inhalation.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Jan Drew - 22 Mar 2008 03:37 GMT
> In message
> <3c9c26f7-d703-4acb-9c9e-61bdb1556b13@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Bee
> wrote:

> Your speculations are, of course, yours alone. I could
> speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very
> much that you would feel bound by my fantasies.
>
> --
I thought you worked for Philips semiconductor  long ago, or something
like
that as writer.  I remember someone writing you were connected to the
semiconductor
world.

If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?

[note how DC left out working in semiconductors]

>> If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?
>
> Yup -- and I'm old enough to remember what it was like
> before most of those vaccines that you and the gang have the
> luxury of badmouthing.

LOL.  The gang are those who harass, lie, divert, use fake emails.
Etc.,  Like YOU Douglas.

Translation of *badmouthing*
Those who post the truth exposting the lies about
vaccines and organized medicine.

> I also work with a lot of people who grew up in India, and
> in China, and in a bunch of other countries where smallpox
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> |    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Jan Drew - 22 Mar 2008 02:45 GMT
On Mar 21, 10:05 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

> They do? References.
> (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this
> number from and I'm calling BS.)

Where did it come from?    I love the way people yell b.S. around
here----D.C. you have no medical background---but we know you were/are
a technical writer of some kind, and worked for one of the
organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work
place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point
----

Why would you even care about vaccines?

None of it makes any sense.

I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I
heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come
to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch
on a broker's open house tour.
Now, that is sad.
==

Douglas also worked in semiconductors.
Wonder why he is not concerned about that pollution.
David Wright - 22 Mar 2008 03:56 GMT
>I just ran across this article.  I have to wonder just how paying a
>pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>per year.  How many deaths do you think are contained in 1.28 million
>adverse vaccine events each and every year?

Very few -- since most 'adverse events' are something just dreadful,
like a sore arm, or a brief fever.  Really awful stuff.

>Here is part of the article:
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>frequently caused polio ! ) the numbers of meningitis cases returned
>to their previous level.

There were far more than 25,000 polio cases per year in the early 50s,
so the idea that it's all aseptic meningitis (which has different
symptoms anyway) falls to the ground.

It's also quite false that the Salk or Sabin vaccines "frequently"
caused polio.  There's one episode with Salk, and there have been a
few cases linked to Sabin, and that's about it.

In any event, polio cases were rising, not falling, so the idea that
the vaccine just glommed onto a falling trend is totally false.

It's also false with many other diseases, like mumps or measles.
Those were going strong until vaccination came in.

> Professor Gordon Stewart explained to me that
>the same thing happened in India when people were paid a few rupees to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>I guess the old saying is true, you really do get what you pay for.

Yes, we paid nothing for your posting and we got a worthless posting.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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