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Conducting a vaccine scam
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drceephd@insightbb.com - 21 Mar 2008 17:41 GMT I just ran across this article. I have to wonder just how paying a pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the numbers. At the present time, the CDC admits that, maybe 1% of all adverse events are reported. The CDC reports that nearly 128,000 acverse events were reported to VAERS form 1991 to 2001. Using the admitted multiplier of 100, there may well have been 12,800,000 adverse events, or about 1.28 million per year. How many deaths do you think are contained in 1.28 million adverse vaccine events each and every year?
Here is part of the article:
The vaccine scam.
This document was provided by Continuum Magazine VOL. 5 No. 2 By Michael Verney-Elliott
The vaccine scam works like this. Identify and magnify an 'epidemic' disease, whip up world panic, and devise a vaccine against the supposed causative agent. Administer the vaccine, preferably just before the epidemic starts to wane naturally, and then, when the cases of the disease start to diminish, claim the vaccine has worked and the pharmaceutical company who manufactures it will get the credit for saving mankind. There will be bouquets and Nobel prizes all round and every one makes a lot of money. One has only to look at the cases of the anti-poIio and anti-smallpox vaccine campaigns to see the classic modus operandi in taking credit for ending epidemics, which in the manner of all self-limiting phenomena, were already dying out before the vaccine was introduced. In the USA during the late 'forties, there was a noticeable increase in polio cases. This prompted the authorities to pay a bounty of $25 to GP's reporting any suspected case of polio, treating it as a notifiable disease. The numbers of cases of 'polio' shot up, causing a national panic. Any stiff neck or slight limp was reported. Curiously, at the same time, the official number of cases of aseptic meningitis, which shares some symptoms with polio, and previously reached some 25,000 annually nationwide, disappeared completely. A whole disease just vanished. Subsequently, when the polio epidemic had abated, the credit being given to Salk and Sabin's polio vaccines (which frequently caused polio ! ) the numbers of meningitis cases returned to their previous level. Professor Gordon Stewart explained to me that the same thing happened in India when people were paid a few rupees to report cases of smallpox during the WHO's anti-smallpox campaign As a result, official figures for chickenpox disappeared during the campaign, but reappeared with a bang after smallpox was declared eradicated in 1980. The trick is to make sure you get in with the vaccine just before the numbers of cases of the disease start to diminish. In the case of polio, the definition of the disease was later tightened up to exclude illnesses with similar symptoms - meningitis, encephalopathies etc. - and presto, there was a dramatic drop in the official polio cases. Hooray, the vaccine worked.
I guess the old saying is true, you really do get what you pay for.
DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 18:05 GMT > I just ran across this article. I have to wonder just how paying a > pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the > numbers. At the present time, the CDC admits that, maybe 1% of all > adverse events are reported. They do? References. (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this number from and I'm calling BS.)
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 21 Mar 2008 20:08 GMT > They do? References. > (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this > number from and I'm calling BS.) Where did it come from? I love the way people yell b.S. around here----D.C. you have no medical background---but we know you were/are a technical writer of some kind, and worked for one of the organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point ----
Why would you even care about vaccines?
None of it makes any sense.
I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch on a broker's open house tour. Now, that is sad.
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 20:24 GMT >> They do? References. >> (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work > place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point It's amazing the things that people know that just ain't so.
> Why would you even care about vaccines? Because I care about people.
> I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I > heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come > to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch > on a broker's open house tour. Your speculations are, of course, yours alone. I could speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very much that you would feel bound by my fantasies.
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 22 Mar 2008 00:44 GMT > Your speculations are, of course, yours alone. I could > speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very > much that you would feel bound by my fantasies. > > -- I thought you worked for Philips semiconductor long ago, or something like that as writer. I remember someone writing you were connected to the semiconductor world.
If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?
D. C. Sessions - 22 Mar 2008 01:35 GMT > If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids? Yup -- and I'm old enough to remember what it was like before most of those vaccines that you and the gang have the luxury of badmouthing.
I also work with a lot of people who grew up in India, and in China, and in a bunch of other countries where smallpox was killing people in the memory of those still in the workforce. I had a co-worker a few years ago from Egypt who had survived smallpox, but will wear the scars to his grave; I'm glad I just wear one on my arm. Not exactly blue and white with a star, but I'll wear it with pride anyway.
I went to school with kids who had gone deaf from measles. I know people who are crippled from polio, and I grew up reading Arthur C. Clarke, who died of post-polio syndrome this week. I had a babysitter crippled by meningitis.
My mother knew families who lost children to pertussis and diphtheria. My paternal grandmother died when my father was three from a disease you almost never see today. Mark Probert knows a family who lost a child to haemophilus influenzae meningitis. $HERSELF lost a year of her life to the one disease she skipped the vaccine for before traveling in Latin America.
$HERSELF has listened to babies dying of pertussis. Don't worry, it can't happen to yours, right?
You have the luxury of taking the absence of smallpox, polio, pertussis, measles, mumps, diphtheria, rubella, meningococcal disease, haemophilus influenzae, most kinds of hepatitis, etc. for granted. That's nice.
In the "money where your mouth is" department, how about taking your kids and living in Uganda for a year without any of those horrible vaccinations. Drink the water. Don't bother with mosquito nets (Cee will tell you that mosquitos can't hurt you.)
When _my_ kids go to the Phillipines on business or to one of those other countries for research or for humanitarian aid, there will be at least a few things that they won't have to worry about because their immunizations are current.
For that matter, I'm due for my first pertussis shot in fifty years this month. Not for my sake, but for the grandkids I hope to have and the others my friends already have.
"O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,"
Money, mouth. If the pharmaceutical industry and the folk in the front lines are so horrible, then by all means skip the Cipro and use homeopathy when your children start coughing with that high-pitched inhalation.
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Jan Drew - 22 Mar 2008 03:37 GMT > In message > <3c9c26f7-d703-4acb-9c9e-61bdb1556b13@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Bee > wrote:
> Your speculations are, of course, yours alone. I could > speculate on all kinds of things here and I doubt very > much that you would feel bound by my fantasies. > > -- I thought you worked for Philips semiconductor long ago, or something like that as writer. I remember someone writing you were connected to the semiconductor world.
If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids?
[note how DC left out working in semiconductors]
>> If you care about people -- don't you care about your own kids? > > Yup -- and I'm old enough to remember what it was like > before most of those vaccines that you and the gang have the > luxury of badmouthing. LOL. The gang are those who harass, lie, divert, use fake emails. Etc., Like YOU Douglas.
Translation of *badmouthing* Those who post the truth exposting the lies about vaccines and organized medicine.
> I also work with a lot of people who grew up in India, and > in China, and in a bunch of other countries where smallpox [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Jan Drew - 22 Mar 2008 02:45 GMT On Mar 21, 10:05 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> They do? References. > (Put another way, I know which orifice you pulled this > number from and I'm calling BS.) Where did it come from? I love the way people yell b.S. around here----D.C. you have no medical background---but we know you were/are a technical writer of some kind, and worked for one of the organizations that we was subject people to no no's in the work place---and probably the safety program wasn't in place at that point ----
Why would you even care about vaccines?
None of it makes any sense.
I bet if people were paid to report adverse findings they would---I heard the other day that real estate agents are paying brokers to come to their broker open houses to tour -- even some have to provide lunch on a broker's open house tour. Now, that is sad. ==
Douglas also worked in semiconductors. Wonder why he is not concerned about that pollution.
David Wright - 22 Mar 2008 03:56 GMT >I just ran across this article. I have to wonder just how paying a >pediatrician to report an adverse vaccine event would alter the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >per year. How many deaths do you think are contained in 1.28 million >adverse vaccine events each and every year? Very few -- since most 'adverse events' are something just dreadful, like a sore arm, or a brief fever. Really awful stuff.
>Here is part of the article: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >frequently caused polio ! ) the numbers of meningitis cases returned >to their previous level. There were far more than 25,000 polio cases per year in the early 50s, so the idea that it's all aseptic meningitis (which has different symptoms anyway) falls to the ground.
It's also quite false that the Salk or Sabin vaccines "frequently" caused polio. There's one episode with Salk, and there have been a few cases linked to Sabin, and that's about it.
In any event, polio cases were rising, not falling, so the idea that the vaccine just glommed onto a falling trend is totally false.
It's also false with many other diseases, like mumps or measles. Those were going strong until vaccination came in.
> Professor Gordon Stewart explained to me that >the same thing happened in India when people were paid a few rupees to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I guess the old saying is true, you really do get what you pay for. Yes, we paid nothing for your posting and we got a worthless posting.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher
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