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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Cause and cure for eczema
<whrlwnd> <I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of eczema? And what is the cure for eczema?> > I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of > eczema? And what is the cure for eczema? Why is the definite article appropriate? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of eczema? Lack of certain short chain fatty acids. Those short chain fatty acids found in plants. On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: And what is the cure for eczema? << Eating those short chain fatty acids and finding a way to decrease the destruction OF those short chain fatty acids during ingestion. Those short chain fatty acids are destroyed by oxidation and in your gut there is an abundance of oxidation .. due to high iron levels in your food. There is only one way to decrease those iron levels and this is by becoming vegetarian. Believe it or not .. "Dietary, but not topical, alpha-linolenic acid suppresses UVB- induced skin injury in hairless mice when compared with linoleic acid." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3931/is_200212/ai_n9156888 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Effects of metal ions on lipid peroxidation in cultured rat hepatocytes loaded with alpha-linolenic acid. Author: Furono, K : Suetsuga, T : Sugihara, N Citation: J-Toxicol-Environ-Health. 1996 Jun 7; 48(2): 121-9 Abstract: We investigated the ability of various redox-active metal ions to induce lipid peroxidation in normal and alpha-linolenic acid-loaded (LNA-loaded) cultured rat hepatocytes. Lipid peroxidation was estimated by the accumulation of malondialdehyde (MDA) in the culture medium. At low concentrations induction was highest with ferrous ions (Fe), whereas at high concentrations, vanadium (V) and copper ions (Cu) had the greatest effect on both groups of hepatocytes. With any one of the three metal ions, the extent of lipid peroxidation in LNA-loaded hepatocytes was several times greater compared to normal cells. In addition, upon the addition of Fe or V, LNA-loaded hepatocytes were injured whereas normal cells were not. The addition of Cu caused substantial cell injury in normal hepatocytes, and even greater injury in LNA-loaded cells. The prevention of lipid peroxidation in LNA-loaded hepatocytes by addition of an antioxidant like N,N'-diphenyl-p-phenylene-diamine (DPPD) almost completely prevented Fe- and V-induced cell injury, and reduced Cu-induced cell injury. alpha-Tocopherol behaved in a way similar to but less effective than DPPD. . OH radical scavengers such as mannitol and dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) had no effect on lipid peroxidation induced by any metal ions in LNA- loaded hepatocytes. Addition of cadmium ions (Cd), which required the lowest concentration to cause cell injury, induced a slight increase in lipid peroxidation in normal hepatocytes, but did not induce lipid peroxidation to the same extent as seen in LNA-loaded cells treated with any of the three metal ions already mentioned. The inhibition of lipid peroxidation by DPPD scarcely protected LNA- loaded hepatocytes from Cd-induced cell injury. None of the other metal ions including aluminum (Al), chromium (Cr), manganese (Mn), nickel (Ni), lead (Pb), and tin (Sn) ions, effectively induced lipid peroxidation in either group of hepatocytes, except cobalt ions (Co), which had a peroxidative effect in LNA-loaded cells only . Review References: None Notes: None Language: English Publication Type: Journal-Article Keywords: Lipid Peroxidation drug effects : Liver drug effects : Metals toxicity : alpha Linolenic Acid toxicity URL: http://www.taylorandfrancis.com/JNLS/teh.htm Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk On Mar 21, 9:02 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:There is only one way to decrease those iron levels and this is by becoming vegetarian. << "Iron dermis levels might be implicated in atopic dermatitis patients" Acta Derm Venereol. 2004;84(1):2-5.Links In vivo assessment of iron and ascorbic acid in psoriatic dermis. Leveque N, Robin S, Muret P, Mac-Mary S, Makki S, Berthelot A, Kantelip JP, Humbert P. Laboratory of Cutaneous Bioengineering, Faculty of Medicine and Pharmacy, Besançon, France. Reactive oxygen species play an important role in inflammatory skin diseases such as psoriasis. Reactive oxygen species synthesis is catalysed by iron and some species are scavenged by ascorbic acid. The aim of this work was to assess iron and ascorbic acid in uninvolved and involved psoriatic dermis and to compare the corresponding concentrations in the dermis of healthy subjects. Microdialysis associated with atomic absorption spectrometry and gas chromatography- mass spectrometry was used to assess iron and ascorbic acid, respectively. Seven psoriatic patients and five healthy volunteers were studied. Iron concentrations in the involved (57.1 +/- 19.3 microg/l) and uninvolved (49.7 +/- 27.1 microgl/l) psoriatic dermis were higher than the corresponding value determined in the dermis of healthy subjects (21.8 +/- 2.4 microg/l) (p<0.05). Ascorbic acid in involved (47.3 +/- 8.2 microg/ml) and uninvolved (42.0 +/- 14.0 microg/ ml) psoriatic dermis was statistically lower than that found in healthy dermis (176.8 +/- 29.0 microg/ml) (p<0.05). These results demonstrate that psoriatic patients exhibit high iron and low ascorbic acid concentrations in the dermis, but there were no significant differences between involved and uninvolved skin. PMID: 15040469 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --------------------------------------------------------------- Dermatology. 2003;207(3):261-4. Links High iron and low ascorbic acid concentrations in the dermis of atopic dermatitis patients. Leveque N, Robin S, Muret P, Mac-Mary S, Makki S, Humbert P. Laboratoire d'Ingénierie et de Biologie Cutanées, Faculté de Médecine et de Pharmacie, Place Saint Jacques, Besançon, France. BACKGROUND: Atopic dermatitis (AD) is a chronic inflammatory skin disease in which reactive oxygen species (ROS) may be involved. Iron catalyses ROS formation and ascorbic acid (AA) scavenges these species. OBJECTIVE: The aim of this work was to determine iron and AA levels in AD patients' dermis and to compare their concentrations with those of healthy volunteers' dermis. METHODS: Five AD patients and 5 healthy subjects (controls) were enrolled in this study. Iron and AA were collected from human dermis by microdialysis and assessed by atomic absorption spectrometry and gas chromatography-mass spectrometry, respectively. RESULTS: The AD dermis demonstrated higher iron concentrations (44.3 +/- 4.6 microg/l) compared to controls (21.8 +/- 1.2 microg/l) as well as a significantly lower concentration of AA (46.7 +/- 0.6 vs. 176.8 +/- 14.5 microg/ml, respectively). CONCLUSION: These results suggest that iron and AA dermis levels could be indicators of inflammatory tissues and might be implicated in dermatological diseases such as AD. Copyright 2003 S. Karger AG, Basel PMID: 14571067 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ---------------------------------------- Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: > I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk From: teamtanner@hotmail.com (ironjustice) On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of eczema? Lack of certain short chain fatty acids. Those short chain fatty acids found in plants. On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: And what is the cure for eczema? << Eating those short chain fatty acids and finding a way to decrease the destruction OF those short chain fatty acids during ingestion. Those short chain fatty acids are destroyed by oxidation and in your gut there is an abundance of oxidation .. due to high iron levels in your food. There is only one way to decrease those iron levels and this is by becoming vegetarian. Believe it or not .. "Dietary, but not topical, alpha-linolenic acid suppresses UVB- induced skin injury in hairless mice when compared with linoleic acid." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3931/is_200212/ai_n9156888 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Effects of metal ions on lipid peroxidation in cultured rat hepatocytes loaded with alpha-linolenic acid. Author: Furono, K : Suetsuga, T : Sugihara, N Citation: J-Toxicol-Environ-Health. 1996 Jun 7; 48(2): 121-9 Abstract: We investigated the ability of various redox-active metal ions to induce lipid peroxidation in normal and alpha-linolenic acid-loaded (LNA-loaded) cultured rat hepatocytes. Lipid peroxidation was estimated by the accumulation of malondialdehyde (MDA) in the culture medium. At low concentrations induction was highest with ferrous ions (Fe), whereas at high concentrations, vanadium (V) and copper ions (Cu) had the greatest effect on both groups of hepatocytes. With any one of the three metal ions, the extent of lipid peroxidation in LNA-loaded hepatocytes was several times greater compared to normal cells. In addition, upon the addition of Fe or V, LNA-loaded hepatocytes were injured whereas normal cells were not. The addition of Cu caused substantial cell injury in normal hepatocytes, and even greater injury in LNA-loaded cells. The prevention of lipid peroxidation in LNA-loaded hepatocytes by addition of an antioxidant like N,N'-diphenyl-p-phenylene-diamine (DPPD) almost completely prevented Fe- and V-induced cell injury, and reduced Cu-induced cell injury. alpha-Tocopherol behaved in a way similar to but less effective than DPPD. . OH radical scavengers such as mannitol and dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) had no effect on lipid peroxidation induced by any metal ions in LNA- loaded hepatocytes. Addition of cadmium ions (Cd), which required the lowest concentration to cause cell injury, induced a slight increase in lipid peroxidation in normal hepatocytes, but did not induce lipid peroxidation to the same extent as seen in LNA-loaded cells treated with any of the three metal ions already mentioned. The inhibition of lipid peroxidation by DPPD scarcely protected LNA- loaded hepatocytes from Cd-induced cell injury. None of the other metal ions including aluminum (Al), chromium (Cr), manganese (Mn), nickel (Ni), lead (Pb), and tin (Sn) ions, effectively induced lipid peroxidation in either group of hepatocytes, except cobalt ions (Co), which had a peroxidative effect in LNA-loaded cells only Review References: None Notes: None Language: English Publication Type: Journal-Article Keywords: Lipid Peroxidation drug effects : Liver drug effects : Metals toxicity : alpha Linolenic Acid toxicity URL: http://www.taylorandfrancis.com/JNLS/teh.htm Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk If I read this right, An overabundance of iron and not enough vitamin C is the root cause (poor nutrition). And rebalancing this by becoming vegetarian is the cure. Thanks for the info. On Mar 22, 9:10 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote:If I read this right, An overabundance of iron and not enough vitamin C is the root cause (poor nutrition). And rebalancing this by becoming vegetarian is the cure. << You got it .. The iron specifically .. it seems .. targets the lecithin in the body or anything which seems to resemble .. lecithin. Alpha-linolenic acid is found in lecithin. Dr. Sullivan though .. a doctor who has worked with iron for over thirty years says that he believes a regular meat eating man would take about seven years to get his iron levels down to that found in a vegetarian BY becoming vegetarian. He believes a short course of blood donation will bring the levels down safely and quickly. But .. answer this .. WHY would a photosensitive person react when the vitamin C gets low .. plus iron BUT they DON'T react when .. alpha- linolenic acid is .. ingested .. ? Answer that .. The phyt-ol.. ? .. the quin-ol .. in the alpha-linolenic acid ..? Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > From: teamtan...@hotmail.com (ironjustice) > On Mar 21, 6:47 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: I am submitting two [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Thanks for the info. From: teamtanner@hotmail.com (ironjustice) On Mar 22, 9:10 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote: <If I read this right, An overabundance of iron and not enough vitamin C is the root cause (poor nutrition). And rebalancing this by becoming vegetarian is the cure. > <You got it .. The iron specifically .. it seems .. targets the lecithin in the body or anything which seems to resemble .. lecithin. Alpha-linolenic acid is found in lecithin. Dr. Sullivan though .. a doctor who has worked with iron for over thirty years says that he believes a regular meat eating man would take about seven years to get his iron levels down to that found in a vegetarian BY becoming vegetarian. He believes a short course of blood donation will bring the levels down safely and quickly. But .. answer this .. WHY would a photosensitive person react when the vitamin C gets low .. plus iron BUT they DON'T react when .. alpha- linolenic acid is .. ingested .. ? Answer that .. The phyt-ol.. ? .. the quin-ol .. in the alpha-linolenic acid ..? <whrlwnd> <By 'react' I am assuming you mean the eczema condition. If iron bonds itself to the lecithin, then ingesting more lecithin to overcome the amounts of iron in the system allows more alpha-linolenic acid to be used for the skin. So alongside a vitamin C defficientcy, one needs more lecithin to counteract a higher iron content in the system or simply reduce iron ntake. What roles does phyt-ol and quin-ol play? I only have a layman's understanding of all of this. You also refer to 'photosensitive', how does vitamin D fit into this? Thanks for the thorough and informative response. Your thoughts on high doses (6 to 12 capsules daily) of evening primrose oil as a protocol. I got this from Dr. Mercola's site. I am always leary of high doses of anything. What types of compounds are in evening primrose oil? Could it be high in alpha-linolenic acid?> Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > <whrlwnd> > <I am submitting two questions to the panel. What is the root cause of > eczema? And what is the cure for eczema?> Cellsalt deficiency of some sort. Hahnemann of homeopathic fame, talked about miasms. The most common miasm if the itch psora which accounts for 85% of miasms. In my opinion, they can all be treated the same way as any skin problem that itches. I would say the cure would be sodium (bicarb), cream of tartar (potassium) and calcium in some readily assimable form such as calcium carbonate. Take 1/4 tspn each of cream of tartar and bicarb once or more a day, plus at least 1gram of calcium. This is simplistic and there are other cellsalts which would need to be taken over the longer term such as magnesium, silica, homeopathic nat mur and ferrum phos. However, in my opinion this would work. Carole www.cellsalts.net On Mar 22, 2:32 am, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:However, in my opinion this would work. << Show us a case study .. Just one .. One .. person .. Shouldn't be .. hard .. ONE .. person .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > <whrlw...@webtv.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Carolewww.cellsalts.net On Mar 22, 7:23 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:Show us a case study .. << "Phlebotomy markedly improved the skin lesion" Rosacea associated with polycythemia vera: Skin lesions improved with phlebotomy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suhr, Ki-Beom; Yoon, Ji-Seong; Lee, Jeung-Hoon; Park, Jang-Kyu 1994 Annals of Dermatology 6(1): 98-101 We report a case of rosacea in a 65 year old female with a 14 year history of polycythemia vera. The patient suffered from several constitutional symptoms and signs suggestive of polycythemia vera. Six years prior to our initial examination, erythematous lesions were first noted on the center of the face. These lesions exhibited periodic improvement and exacerbation without specific treatment. Histopathologic examination of the facial lesions showed nodular infiltration of lymphocytes and histiocytes and dilation of blood vessels. On the basis of laboratory examination, the patient was diagnosed as polycythemia vera. The patient has received metronidazole, tetracycline, and topical steroids to control rosacea- like facial lesions. The treatment results were not significant. However, phlebotomy markedly improved the skin lesion. To our knowledge, there are no reports describing the clinical course of rosacea lesions following the treatment with phlebotomy. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > On Mar 22, 2:32 am, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:However, in > my opinion this would work. << [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > - Show quoted text - |
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