There's more information in the ABC comments than their one-sided
story.

It said "although, in fact, most vaccines today don't contain any
mercury."

Which is true.  Nice to see that your reading skills are up to snuff.

So tell me, is there anything that we *should* be biased against, or
should we welcome absolutely everything with open arms?

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:46:05 GMT
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Wrong.

It's not about Dr. Moran,

It IS about Peter Moran.

it's about Jesse

NEVER said he did.

It IS what he had to SAY.

Your repeated posting of this nonsense demonstrates your very weird

I understand you don't like my pointing out the TRUTH.....

His WORDS and LIES are clear.

Restored:

All medical advances have entailed risk, ever since the first caveman said"I
wonder what this berry does?".

Using retroviruses to try and correct lethal and potentially lethal gene
defects is a very legitimate and logic alavenue of medical research. So this
is
nothing to do with "conspiracies", "coverups" .

It is a matter of the quality of informed consent that was applied.    It
would
be unusual these days for such issues to not be addressed carefully by the
researchers and the ethics committees to which all clinical trials are
submitted thesedays.   We cannot know how culpable the doctors are from this
rather emotive news item.

*Years earlier, a scientist just a few miles away from the Gelsinger's home
in
Tucson had raised serious questions about whether the experiment was safe.*

 Documents

 .  Feb. 8, 2002: FDA letter, attempt to ban Dr. Wilson from other
experiments.
.  March 3, 2000: FDA Warning Letter, original findings about the gene
therapy experiment.

(No coverups there,,,,,,,,,,,,,)

The trouble is, Paul Gelsinger says, Dr. Wilson's team had never told him
that anyone had ever raised questions about safety

(That's fine and dandy according to organized medicine member, Peter Moran.)

ADVERSE REACTIONS WERE NOT REPORTED
      And that was just the beginning. Federal investigators, pouring
through
Penn's records, announced at the conference that they had made a series of
startling discoveries, raising questions about whether the doctors had
covered
up problems and broken basic test rules.

In fact, just a few months before Jesse had signed up for the experiment,
several monkeys given viruses similar to Jesse's got sick. And two of them
died.

(No coverup there)

The rules for the experiment said: Even if volunteers didn't get visibly
ill,
if tests showed that any of them had a significant reaction called "grade
3," the experiment was supposed to be "halted" immediately.
      Records show there were "grade 3" reactions in more than one
patient. The first time, doctors stopped, called the government and got
permission to continue, saying an unusual condition with the patient might
have
been the cause.
      The second time, they stopped, called and got permission again,
citing
another unusual condition.
      But when it happened a third time, they didn't stop, didn't call.
      Then, a fourth time. They didn't stop or call then either

(No coverups there).

      For their own safety, volunteers weren't supposed to have a blood
ammonia level higher than 50. But people were coming in with higher levels
and
without proper approval. The limit was raised to 70.
      When Jesse signed up over the summer, he was within the limits, but
records show that when Penn doctors tested him, just days before the
experiment, his reading was 114 - more than double the original safety
limit.

(That's way cool huh Peter???)

HIGH FINANCIAL STAKES
      With so many red flags from the monkey deaths to the reactions in
other
volunteers, even to Jesse's own ammonia levels, Why had Dr. Wilson's team
allowed the experiment to continue?

(Wonder if Peter can answer this question?)

      At the University of Pennsylvania, the conflict committee approved
Dr.
Wilson's arrangement with Genovo.
      In fact, the university itself owned a piece of his company and stood
to
profit, too.

(Hmmmmmmmmm).

      In a statement, the university acknowledged that some information
"should have been shared with the FDA sooner."

(Just a minor little slip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)

There was no information given to Jesse or his family about the monkey
deaths.
There was no information given to Jesse or his family about toxic results in
prior patients. There was no information that would allow Jesse and his
family
to make any kind of informed decision."

(Peter STILL can't see any coverup!!!! NO dishonesty!)

CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS

      He told congress that other private companies in the race for cures
had
also been doing gene therapy experiments and had also gotten adverse
reactions.
But instead of sharing the information, government rules allowed them to
stamp
those reactions "confidential," classifying them as trade secrets to
protect their research investments.
      So, while the government knew about them, other researchers like Dr.
Wilson and volunteers like Jesse Gelsinger were never allowed to see them.

(TRust the government!!!)

"I was outraged," says Paul. "I had a right to know. Jesse had a right to
know.

(Oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,emotions).

***In February, the Food and Drug Administration said that because Dr.
Wilson
filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and deliberately
violated regulations ****

REPEAT FOR THE HARD HEADED!!!

***Dr. Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and
deliberately violated regulations ***

(No coverups,,,,,,,,,,no fraud,,,,,,,,,,no deliberate
violations,,,,,,,,,,,,)

      This week marks the third anniversary of Jesse Gelsinger's death. At
the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Wilson

****is still on the faculty****

(Soooooooooo in organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,,)

****Filing *false and misleading reports* is A OK,,,,,,,,,,,,****

****REPEATED and DELIBERATE  violations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is A OK.***

but no longer in charge of its gene therapy program. And, in Congress,
lawmakers are still debating legislation to provide more protection for
medical
volunteers.

******in the end, whether Jesse was betrayed by the doctors he and his
family
thought they could trust.*********

Jan

Even more about Peter Moran...

Thanks, Jan.  One of my better posts.

Peter Moran

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Does ABC have phamaceutical companies as advertisers?  How about
insurance companies?
With the lawsuit going on, you have to wonder why the story was as
slanted as it appeared to be.
That reporter would be a wonderful witness for the plaintiffs in any
case.