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bob self - 20 Mar 2008 16:22 GMT
What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
cervical spine?

thanks,
Bob
Kulacz - 20 Mar 2008 18:01 GMT
> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> cervical spine?
>
> thanks,
> Bob

Orthopedic surgeon
James Wilson - 20 Mar 2008 22:08 GMT
>> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
>> cervical spine?
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>
>Orthopedic surgeon

Is that also true for DIAGNOSTIC  purposes?
D. C. Sessions - 20 Mar 2008 22:40 GMT
> Is that also true for DIAGNOSTIC  purposes?

Radiologist, then, or sometimes a neurologist (are you
looking at an injury to the cervical spine or at an
injury to the spinal cord?)

However, if the question is to do with the skeleton, joints,
ligaments, or tendons then the answer is almost always
"orthopaedic surgeon."

Better yet, get a referral from your GP and keep hir in
the loop.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
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t - 21 Mar 2008 00:34 GMT
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> |    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -----      Chiropractor
t - 21 Mar 2008 00:28 GMT
> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> cervical spine?
>
> thanks,
> Bob

Chiropractor
RF - 21 Mar 2008 04:03 GMT
>> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
>> cervical spine?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Bob

Osteopath :-)
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 04:21 GMT
> >> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> >> cervical spine?
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>
> Osteopath :-)

You are welcome Bob
An osteopath(O.D.) is also a physician and the training, although
slightly different, is essentially equal to an M.D.
I would stll suggest a good orthopedic surgeon (O.D. or M.D.) who will
then direct the approriate tests (Radiology etc.) and possible
referral to other specialists like a neurologist or possibly a
chiropractor.
IMO the first place to begin is with an orthopedic surgeon.
Mark Probert - 21 Mar 2008 13:12 GMT
> > >> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> > >> cervical spine?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> chiropractor.
> IMO the first place to begin is with an orthopedic surgeon.

Absolute agreement.

(note that an osteopath is a D.O. An O.D. is a Doctor of Optometry.)

(no, you did not make a spectacle of yourself)

:)
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 13:37 GMT
> > > >> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> > > >> cervical spine?
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Woops!!
D.O.is correct.!! My error. Must be late onset dyslexia!!!!
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 13:39 GMT
> > > > >> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> > > > >> cervical spine?
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One of my closest friends is an osteopath (D.O.)
Got it correct this time.!!
t - 21 Mar 2008 16:53 GMT
> t wrote:
> > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> Osteopath :-)

You are welcome Bob
An osteopath(O.D.) is also a physician and the training, although
slightly different, is essentially equal to an M.D.
I would stll suggest a good orthopedic surgeon (O.D. or M.D.) who will
then direct the approriate tests (Radiology etc.) and possible
referral to other specialists like a neurologist or possibly a
chiropractor.
IMO the first place to begin is with an orthopedic surgeon.
Is your opinion formed by experience with DOs, MDs, AND CHIROPRACTORS? If
not, you opinion is not worth much.
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 17:43 GMT
> > t wrote:
> > > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> chiropractor.
> IMO the first place to begin is with an orthopedic surgeon.

Below is your addition to my post:
> Is your opinion formed by experience with DOs, MDs, AND CHIROPRACTORS? If
> not, you opinion is not worth much.

Please separate your post from mine so that nobody confuses your words
with mine.
Fortunately I have had experience with many health care providers
being in the medical field.
Fankly do not care whay you think of my opinion.
Another entertaining moment here on MHA.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Mark Probert - 21 Mar 2008 18:36 GMT
> > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
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> Another entertaining moment here on MHA.
> Thanks for the chuckle

You made the big time. That was your first flame from an altie.
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 18:52 GMT
> > > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
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I don't care what classification this person is.
I call it as I see it.
The One True Zhen Jue - 21 Mar 2008 21:12 GMT
> > > > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
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> I don't care what classification this person is.
> I call it as I see it.- Hide quoted text -

How you see things is *not* the issue.  You've dared to say something
that did not meet with the full approval of those who are anti-
conventional medicine.  See, you *are* a sock-puppet after all!   <For
the sarcasm impaired, that was a joke>

MHA alties will only permit you to recommend an MD for trauma,
chelation, or on occasion, for testing.

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Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 21:25 GMT
On Mar 21, 4:12 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > > > > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
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I have previously stated my position and philosophies.
I view the good and bad in both "conventional" medicine and
"alternative" medicine.
I am in neither camp as I use what works.
That is why I prefer the term Integrative Medicine to
define my beliefs.

I am not a fan of extremists that cannot look at all modalities as
objectively as possible. No "label" used on this forum fits.
Mark Probert - 22 Mar 2008 02:52 GMT
> > > > You made the big time. That was your first flame from an altie.- Hide quoted text -
>
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> I am not a fan of extremists that cannot look at all modalities as
> objectively as possible. No "label" used on this forum fits

You are in big trouble with the Camp Altie.  :)

Just a friendly warning....

Never, ever, criticize an altie. No matter what you do afterwards, you
can never, ever be foregiven.

I recall one time that a chiropractor, with the same name as a non-
altie, came into the group. He was jumped on like a footbal on the one-
yard line.

Never came back. He seemed to be a rather interesting guy, who had
something good to offer.

Hopefully, in time, you will see who the intolerant ones are. HINT:
They are also humor impaired.
t - 22 Mar 2008 15:19 GMT
On Mar 21, 4:25 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote:

> > > > You made the big time. That was your first flame from an altie.-
> > > > Hide quoted text -
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> I am not a fan of extremists that cannot look at all modalities as
> objectively as possible. No "label" used on this forum fits

You are in big trouble with the Camp Altie.  :)

Just a friendly warning....

Never, ever, criticize an altie. No matter what you do afterwards, you
can never, ever be foregiven.

I recall one time that a chiropractor, with the same name as a non-
altie, came into the group. He was jumped on like a footbal on the one-
yard line.

Never came back. He seemed to be a rather interesting guy, who had
something good to offer.

Hopefully, in time, you will see who the intolerant ones are. HINT:
They are also humor impaired.                                I have been
laughing at you, Mark, for years now.
Bee - 22 Mar 2008 17:14 GMT
                           I have been
> laughing at you, Mark, for years now.

I'm just starting to see the real humor in this as well.  The
information posted
out on the internet in a letter allegedly written by his wife to Jan
Drew or Ilena, or
both claims he is a 'security man and does investigations.'  He claims
he handles
worker's compensation claims or investigates them.  I have no idea
what he does,
but he certainly does not like alternative health care.  He calls
anyone that posts here
an altie---which I think is hilarious.  I probably use more
conventional medicine than
alternative.   There are many here that use alternative medicine, but
I would dare to
reason that most of the folks that use alternative medicine here also
use conventional
medicine too.  For some reason, I cannot see someone with a broken arm
using herbs
to set their arm in an "alternative cast."  Nor, someone who needs a
pacemaker, trying
some form of massage therapy to heal their heart.  To make these
claims that people
are haters of conventional medicine keep getting stupidier by the
moment.   So what,
if people want to try alternative health care in some form or
another.  I think the average
intelligent person can make a decision on their own whether or try or
not try a therapy
based on gathering information on their own.

As for the vaccine debate, I think that should be an individual
choice.  I'd like to see
a Material Data Safety Sheet for a vaccine and then make the choice on
my own whether
to take the product all on my very own.  The same with prescription
drugs.  I'm having a hard
time locating the actual ingredients to two prescription drugs that
have made me sick in the last
6 weeks.  You'd think that would be a no-brainer, but for same reason
no one can seem to come
up with the ingredients.  I'd like to see a MSDS for all prescription
drugs.  After all, aren't they
chemicals?
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 21:26 GMT
> MHA alties will only permit you to recommend an MD for trauma,
> chelation, or on occasion, for testing.

Well, sort of.  Since the only education required for a trauma
specialist is a high-school education (as long as it doesn't
include chemistry or biology) and a one-semester course in
traumatology, they're not happy with the ones you'll find in
most trauma centers.

Chelation, after all, doesn't require an MD to perform.
You just insert the tubes and drip away.

Testing?  Don't be silly.  A zapper doesn't need an MD.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 21:35 GMT
> In message <a6e2c92a-179c-4565-8331-9837d5bc3...@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
>
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> |    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

What the heck are you trying to say?
The One True Zhen Jue - 21 Mar 2008 21:40 GMT
> > In message <a6e2c92a-179c-4565-8331-9837d5bc3...@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
>
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>
> What the heck are you trying to say?- Hide quoted text -

<Sigh>  Now, you realize why *I* put a note about sarcasm, for the
humor impaired....

> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert - 22 Mar 2008 02:54 GMT
> > In message <a6e2c92a-179c-4565-8331-9837d5bc3...@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
>
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>
> What the heck are you trying to say

DCS is using some of the conventional medicine haters comments to
emphasize his point, with a touch of added sarcasm.
D. C. Sessions - 22 Mar 2008 03:17 GMT
> DCS is using some of the conventional medicine haters comments to
> emphasize his point, with a touch of added sarcasm.

Are you sure?  I was being careful to add no artificial
ingredients.  The sources of these POVs are all naturals.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Mark Probert - 22 Mar 2008 02:43 GMT
> > > > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
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> I don't care what classification this person is.
> I call it as I see it.-

Granted. Howeverr, I just thought it was 'cute" and had a good chuckle
over it.

't' is an interesting study in altie-ism. Advocates urine drinking for
what ails ya!
t - 21 Mar 2008 21:00 GMT
On Mar 21, 11:53 am, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> chiropractor.
> IMO the first place to begin is with an orthopedic surgeon.

Below is your addition to my post:
> Is your opinion formed by experience with DOs, MDs, AND CHIROPRACTORS? If
> not, you opinion is not worth much.

Please separate your post from mine so that nobody confuses your words
with mine.
Fortunately I have had experience with many health care providers
being in the medical field.
Fankly do not care whay you think of my opinion.
Another entertaining moment here on MHA.
Thanks for the chuckle.
In other words, you do not have experience with Chiropractors.
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 21 Mar 2008 20:56 GMT
ironically...my cervical spine surgery was done by a neurosurgeon..not an
orthopedic surgeon

at the time I felt that operating near the spine might be best done by a
nerve specialist..tho I know many who have gone to an ortho(I have my fave
ortho who treats the rest of my bones and joints tho)

if the problem turns out NOT to be surgical...than it might turn out that a
chiropractor can be tossed into the mix....but only after diagnositics etc
have been done

as for D.O.s...I agree they are excellent at diagnosing ortho
things..reading xrays etc...

but if surgery is indicated..one must chose between orthopedic and
neurosurgery

>> t wrote:
>> > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> opinion formed by experience with DOs, MDs, AND CHIROPRACTORS? If not, you
> opinion is not worth much.
Mark Probert - 22 Mar 2008 02:41 GMT
On Mar 21, 3:56 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ironically...my cervical spine surgery was done by a neurosurgeon..not an
> orthopedic surgeon
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> but if surgery is indicated..one must chose between orthopedic and
> neurosurgery

There is a third choice. Where I live, we have several "spinal
orthopedisits" who are specially trained for spinal surgery. Some are
really good.

> >> t wrote:
> >> > "Kulacz" <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
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Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 22 Mar 2008 09:46 GMT
On Mar 21, 3:56 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ironically...my cervical spine surgery was done by a neurosurgeon..not an
> orthopedic surgeon
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> but if surgery is indicated..one must chose between orthopedic and
> neurosurgery

There is a third choice. Where I live, we have several "spinal
orthopedisits" who are specially trained for spinal surgery. Some are
really good.

sounds like a good idea....bones are bones...but those near the spine need
special delicacy

> "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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t - 21 Mar 2008 16:51 GMT
>>> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
>>> cervical spine?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Chiropractor
bob self - 22 Mar 2008 22:51 GMT
>> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
>> cervical spine?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Chiropractor

My daughter has had a bad headache for 1.5 years. During this time she has been
to many neurologists, ENT's, GI's, internal medicine doctors. She's had tons of
mri's etc. No one could find anything. Recently she went to a "atlas orthogonal"
chiropractor out of desperation (after having tried acupuncture which didn't
work). Finally, we have some positive results. She felt some immediate relief
after having the atlas bone tapped with the atlas orthogonal machine. I think
that we are finally homing in on where the problem for her headache/neck
pain/back pain is. Now I want to take her to a "regular" specialist so we can
get a confirmation of what and where the problem is from their point of view.
So, I need to make an appointment to verifiy that there is a problem in the
cervical spine area. But it could be related to muscles, nerves, or spine. She
was in a car accident about 5 years ago, but the continuous headache didn't
start until 1.5 years ago. The chiropractor says that she has obvious whiplash
(one vertebra is offset from one next to it (c4-c5, I think)).

For this purpose would an orthopedic surgeon be who to call?

Bob
The One True Zhen Jue - 22 Mar 2008 23:19 GMT
> >> What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> >> cervical spine?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> start until 1.5 years ago. The chiropractor says that she has obvious whiplash
> (one vertebra is offset from one next to it (c4-c5, I think)).

Bob, as an acupuncturist, let me say two things:

1. All acupuncturists aren't the same, just as all MD's aren't.
2. Acupuncture isn't always the solution

That being said, I'm glad you daughter is getting some relief.  Not
being familiar with atlas orthogonal chiropractic, other than a brief
glance at website, the main issue is whether or not it is safe &
practical.  From the website, it seems unlikely to directly cause
harm.  The issue of whether or not it is practical depends on the
price, frequency of treatment, and your ability to handle the first
two.

Have you tried massage therapy?

> For this purpose would an orthopedic surgeon be who to call?

Perhaps a physiatrist, massage therapist, or a different
acupuncturist.  I've seen chronic headaches very effectively treated
by all of the above.

> Bob
whrlwnd2@webtv.net - 21 Mar 2008 04:11 GMT
From: bself32979@yahoo.com (bob self)

<What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
cervical spine?
thanks,
Bob>

<whrlwnd>
<They call them chiropractors, and they work. Not only do they diagnose,
they actually manipulate the spine back to where it should be.
Personally, I have had nothing but positive results with chiropractic
care.>
D. C. Sessions - 21 Mar 2008 04:35 GMT
> From: bself32979@yahoo.com (bob self)

> > What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
> > cervical spine?

> They call them chiropractors, and they work. Not only do they diagnose,
> they actually manipulate the spine back to where it should be.
> Personally, I have had nothing but positive results with chiropractic
> care.

If you insist, but all things considered I'd prefer to have
someone else see me if there's a step-off around C5 and I
can't feel anything from my shoulders down.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Kulacz - 21 Mar 2008 12:51 GMT
> From: bself32...@yahoo.com (bob self)
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Personally, I have had nothing but positive results with chiropractic
> care.>

Chiropractors certainly have their role, but I respectfully sugeest
that the best place to begin exploring the problem is with an open
minded, highly qualified orthopedic surgeon.
The One True Zhen Jue - 21 Mar 2008 16:28 GMT
> > From: bself32...@yahoo.com (bob self)
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> that the best place to begin exploring the problem is with an open
> minded, highly qualified orthopedic surgeon.

Good call!
whrlwnd2@webtv.net - 23 Mar 2008 16:37 GMT
From: Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com (The One True Zhen Jue)

On Mar 21, 7:51 am, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote:

From: bself32...@yahoo.com (bob self)

<What kind of doctor deals with diagnosing problems related to the
cervical spine?
thanks,
Bob>

<whrlwnd>
<They call them chiropractors, and they work. Not only do they diagnose,
they actually manipulate the spine back to where it should be.
Personally, I have had nothing but positive results with chiropractic
care.>

<Kulacz>
<Chiropractors certainly have their role, but I respectfully sugeest
that the best place to begin exploring the problem is with an open
minded, highly qualified orthopedic surgeon.>

<Andy>
<Good call!>

<whrlwnd>
<"Chiropractic first, drugs seconds, surgery last." I think this is the
wisest approach to back and neck pain. To contrast these three
approaches, the first manipulates the spine, trying to reallgn it back
into place, the second may reduce inflamation and give some  temporary
relief, the key word here is temporary, the third actually alters the
spinal structures, irreversibly.
  Going straight to a surgeon doesn't seem a wise decision to me.>
Mark Probert - 23 Mar 2008 16:48 GMT
On Mar 23, 11:37 am, whrlw...@webtv.net wrote:
> From: Andrew_King...@yahoo.com (The One True Zhen Jue)
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> spinal structures, irreversibly.
>    Going straight to a surgeon doesn't seem a wise decision to me.>

Finding out precisely what is wrong is the best decision.
Chiropractors take second seat to an orthopedist for that.
D. C. Sessions - 23 Mar 2008 16:55 GMT
> "Chiropractic first, drugs seconds, surgery last." I think this is the
> wisest approach to back and neck pain. To contrast these three
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> spinal structures, irreversibly.
>    Going straight to a surgeon doesn't seem a wise decision to me.

Make sure you have that on a medic-alert bracelet or
else when you are unresponsive from a head injury
they're likely to skip the chiropractor.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
t - 23 Mar 2008 18:07 GMT
>> "Chiropractic first, drugs seconds, surgery last." I think this is the
>> wisest approach to back and neck pain. To contrast these three
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> else when you are unresponsive from a head injury
> they're likely to skip the chiropractor.

IDIOT!
Mark Probert - 23 Mar 2008 21:15 GMT
> > In message <11170-47E6792B-1...@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net>,
> > whrlw...@webtv.net wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> IDIOT!-

More projection.
t - 23 Mar 2008 22:20 GMT
On Mar 23, 1:07 pm, "t" <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in
> messagenews:l3bib5-qsb.ln1@news.lumbercartel.com...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> IDIOT!-

More projection.                                              No, Mark, just
pointing out the obvious.
Peter Bowditch - 23 Mar 2008 22:08 GMT
>> "Chiropractic first, drugs seconds, surgery last." I think this is the
>> wisest approach to back and neck pain. To contrast these three
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>else when you are unresponsive from a head injury
>they're likely to skip the chiropractor.

You could simply have "DNR" engraved on it.

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t - 23 Mar 2008 22:23 GMT
>>> "Chiropractic first, drugs seconds, surgery last." I think this is the
>>> wisest approach to back and neck pain. To contrast these three
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> You could simply have "DNR" engraved on it.

Ahhh! And here is another one ! Kinda like turning on a light in a cheap NY
apartment. The roaches get all excited.
Mark Probert - 22 Mar 2008 02:46 GMT
> > From: bself32...@yahoo.com (bob self)
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> that the best place to begin exploring the problem is with an open
> minded, highly qualified orthopedic surgeon.

Assuming that surgery is not warranted, a physiatrist, especially one
who works with a chiropractor, is a good choice. You get the best of
both worlds.Together, they can manage and alleviate pain symptoms.
 
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