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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Taxol (Paclitaxel) & Docetaxel (Taxotere)
http://whale.to/drugs/taxol_h.html http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html > http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html Great list, John. A few herbs not mentioned that are especially effective in human health are milk thistle (liver support), oregano (antiviral) and East Park's patented oeluropein (olive leaf extract), the one Upjohn Company tried unsuccessfully to formulate during the 1970s. This is not only effective against all kinds of pathogens but far more effective than standard olive leaf extracts. > http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/herbal_anticancer_agents.htm PM > >http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html > > http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/herbal_anticancer_agents.htm > > PM Sorry, PM, I don't click on the links of those who astroturf for industry because I'm afraid of viruses and robots. You understand. > Sorry, PM, I don't click on the links of those who astroturf for > industry because I'm afraid of viruses and robots. You understand. I suggest using a Mac or Linux, or at least a Virus-Scanner. And what are robots? BTW, the linked article is a good one, _not_ bashing the cancer herbs. > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sorry, PM, I don't click on the links of those who astroturf for > industry because I'm afraid of viruses and robots. You understand. Yes, we understand that you're deathly afraid of lots of things; fluoride, microwave ovens, and most of all, the truth. On Mar 31, 10:07 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yes, we understand that you're deathly afraid of lots of things; > fluoride, microwave ovens, and most of all, the truth. Andy, when you have nothing to say, why bother. > >http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html > > http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/herbal_anticancer_agents.htm > > PM Interesting link, hardly definitive, but cautionary and interesting. We must of course guard against unreasoning optimism as well as unwarranted negativism. The important thing, is that PEOPLE ARE NOW QUESTIONING THE OVERALL EFFICACY OF "CHEMOTHERAPY". This challenge will continue until safer and better ways are found. Thanks Citizen Jimserac >> http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html > > http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/herbal_anticancer_agents.htm Allopathic waffle. Get the real story http://whale.to/c/shulze.html >>> http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html >> >> http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/herbal_anticancer_agents.htm > > Allopathic waffle. Herbs are allopathic medicine. PM > Get the real story http://whale.to/c/shulze.html >> Allopathic waffle. > > Herbs are allopathic medicine. LOL. Your bit on herbs was great for putting people off herbal medicine. I have done a glossary for anyone confused by the likes of you http://whale.to/b/terminology_h.html Here is an allopathic herbal medicine http://whale.to/drugs/taxol_h.html "My opinion, however, is that they (herbs) are superior 95% of the time to any pharmaceutical drug!"---Willner, M.D. > >>>http://whale.to/w/orthodox_herbs.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Herbs are allopathic medicine. HERBS ARE HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE, HERBS ARE CHINESE MEDICINE, HERBS ARE EUROPEAN TRADITIONAL MEDICINE, and... most shocking of all... HERBS ARE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE!!! Citizen Jimserac > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac Actually, it depends on how one uses a particular herb as to whether it was used homeopathically or allopathically. The term "allopathic medicine" was coined by homeopathy's founder, Samuel Hahnemann. His system of therapy was based on "like treats like," which explains why homeopathy uses only small amounts of an active agent. By contrast, allopaths use a system of treatment whose premise is "opposite treats opposite." When an herb is used to *counter* a symptom (like taking Willow Bark instead of aspirin to dull a headache, or taking garlic to treat a cold), that is an allopathic use of the herb. There is nothing wrong with either method when using substances that are natural to the human body. The problem with modern medicine is the use of UN-natural substances that not only cause dangerous side effects but cannot actually treat, cure, or heal anything. > On Mar 27, 7:40 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > use of UN-natural substances that not only cause dangerous side > effects but cannot actually treat, cure, or heal anything. Thanks, interesting points. I question if there is nothing wrong with either method and you will find an excellent critique of the fundamental philosophy of allopathic medicine in James Tyler Kent M.D.'s "Lectures on Homeopathic Philosophy" (easily found in google book search, copyright expired, available for free download). Citizen Jimserac > > On Mar 27, 7:40 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac It may be that Hahnemann believed the allopathic use of herbs was inherently inferior to a homeopathic approach using the same herbs. I'm not sure about that. It's interesting that despite the word "allopath" being created by him, the definition we use today has drifted to the point that we use it only as a reference to reductionism, which is an incorrect usage. His term was meant to describe a simple differentiation based on the principle of homeopathy as a way to invoke the body's natural defenses in the presence of a minute challenge, as opposed to the principle of "allopathy" as a way to combat (or compensate for) something gone wrong. Neither has anything to do with holism vs. reductionism. Ironically, vaccine is based on EXACTLY the same principle as homeopathy, although our resident drug apologists (and others) will frantically deny it, whereas I don't believe at all in the safety or effectiveness of vaccine. This illustrates why it doesn't matter what something is *called* but rather what something DOES, and WHY. In my opinion, we may *think* we are using an herb allopathically and not homeopathically, when in reality we are doing BOTH at the same time. The key is whether or not those substances are natural to the human body, properly prepared, and beneficially metabolized. Sorry I ran on. Thanks for the reference to Kent's material, I'll check it out. > > > On Mar 27, 7:40 am, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Sorry I ran on. Thanks for the reference to Kent's material, I'll > check it out. Thanks, this was quite interesting. I have suspected for some time a correlation between the methodology of vaccine modus operandi and the mechanisms of Homeopathy though it is of course heresy to say so. > In my opinion, we > may *think* we are using a herb allopathically and not > homeopathically, when in reality we are doing BOTH at the > same time. The key is whether or not those substances are > natural to the human body, properly prepared, and > beneficially metabolized. Well said and with intriguing implications. Good research will confirm and explicate this. It is clear that the import of your conceptions poses a grave threat to the security and influence of the vaccinationists. I here provide the link to Kent's wonderful work: http://books.google.com/books?id=bSE4AAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=kent+homeop athic+philosophy&lr=&as_brr=0&ei=RHvtR-KrJ5O0yQSg7bSbDw Thanks again for quite interesting comments. Citizen Jimserac In misc.health.alternative PeterB <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote: : Actually, it depends on how one uses a particular herb as to whether : it was used homeopathically or allopathically. The term "allopathic : medicine" was coined by homeopathy's founder, Samuel Hahnemann. His : system of therapy was based on "like treats like," which explains why : homeopathy uses only small amounts of an active agent. In the sense that "zero" is a small amount. : When an herb is used to *counter* a symptom (like taking : Willow Bark instead of aspirin to dull a headache, or taking garlic to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : use of UN-natural substances that not only cause dangerous side : effects but cannot actually treat, cure, or heal anything. Would you care to explain to us how the active ingredient of willow bark extract is metabolized by the body, and compare it with the way that the active ingredient of aspirin is metabolized by the body? I didn't think so. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- ". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter." -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_ > In misc.health.alternativePeterB<p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > extract is metabolized by the body, and compare it with the way that the > active ingredient of aspirin is metabolized by the body? I didn't think so. The distinction between salicin and synthetically derived acetylsalicylic acid is not simply one of function but the propsensity for side effects. Just because an herb and the drug derived from it do the same thing doesn't mean they are equally safe. There may be evidence that salicin is metabolized more slowly than the active ingredient in aspirin, according to this article at UMMC. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/willow-bark-000281.htm > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Citizen Jimserac Actually, it depends on how one uses a particular herb as to whether it was used homeopathically or allopathically. The term "allopathic medicine" was coined by homeopathy's founder, Samuel Hahnemann. His system of therapy was based on "like treats like," which explains why homeopathy uses only small amounts of an active agent. By contrast, allopaths use a system of treatment whose premise is "opposite treats opposite." When an herb is used to *counter* a symptom (like taking Willow Bark instead of aspirin to dull a headache, or taking garlic to treat a cold), that is an allopathic use of the herb. There is nothing wrong with either method when using substances that are natural to the human body. The problem with modern medicine is the use of UN-natural substances that not only cause dangerous side effects but cannot actually treat, cure, or heal anything.
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