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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Two year old Baby dies 3 days after MMR jab .....
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=MMR&SEX=&VAX CNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_D ATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPOR T_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY= &X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DE ATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=1000&SORTI NG=ID VAERS ID 297178 Vaccination Date: 2007-11-07 Age 2.0 Onset Date: 2007-11-10 Days later: 3 Sex F Submitted: 2007-11-16 State TX Entered: 2007-11-19 Life Threatening Illness? No Died? Yes (date died: 2007-11-12) Disability? No Recovered? No ER or Doctor Visit? No Hospitalized? No Current Illness: NONE Diagnostic Lab Data: Electrolytes with mild dehydrate. Histology shows acute gastroenteritis and broncho-pneumonia Previous Vaccinations: Other Medications: NONE Preexisting Conditions: PRE-MATURE BIRTH....NO COMPLICATIONS Vaccination Manufacturer Lot Dose Route Site DTAP SANOFI PASTEUR U2156AA 3 IM LL HIBV SANOFI PASTEUR UF205AA 3 IM LL IPV SANOFI PASTEUR Z0873 3 IM RL MMR MERCK & CO. INC. 0706F 0 IM RL PNC WYETH PHARMACEUTICALS, INC B08702H 3 IM RL VARCEL MERCK & CO. INC. 06084 0 IM RL Administered by: UNK Purchased by: UNK Symptoms: Blood culture negative Bronchopneumonia Bronchopneumonia Death Electrolyte imbalance Gastroenteritis Histology Pyrexia Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on 11/12/2007 > http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=MMR&SEX=&VAX CNT=&STATE=&VAXMAN=&VAX_DATE_LOW=&VAX_DATE_HIGH=&VAXLOT=&ONSET_DATE_LOW=&ONSET_D ATE_HIGH=&VAXDOSE=&SUB_DATE_LOW=&SUB_DATE_HIGH=&VAXROUTE=&REPORT_DATE_LOW=&REPOR T_DATE_HIGH=&VAXSITE=&L_THREAT=&PRIOR_VAX=&ER_VISIT=&CUR_ILL=&HOSPITAL=&HISTORY= &X_STAY=&SYMPTOMS=&RECOVD=&LAB_DATA=&DISABLE=&OTHER_MEDS=&DIED=Yes&V_ADMINBY=&DE ATH_DATE_LOW=&DEATH_DATE_HIGH=&V_FUNDBY=&PAGENO=1&action=Find&PERPAGE=1000&SORTI NG=ID > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Diagnostic Lab Data: Electrolytes with mild dehydrate. Histology shows > acute gastroenteritis and broncho-pneumonia both diagnoses are known to be fatal in young children...regardless to what "shots" not to mention the prematurity > Previous Vaccinations: > Other Medications: NONE [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Child started with high fever, 48 C, post vaccination and died on > 11/12/2007 On Mar 14, 8:38 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?LOWAGE=&HIGHAGE=&VAX=M... > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - This kind of logic is typical of big pharma thinking. Say you have a pre-existing heart condition. I walk up and shoot you. You die 3 days later. Prove to me that my bullet killed you and not the pre-existing heart condition. Secondly, considering the chicken and the egg, which comes first, the disease or the vaccine which can cause and/or aggrevagte your disease until you are dead? When will we learn and admit that vaccines are not safe nor effective? When will we learn that you should not inject poisons into sick children? DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. > This kind of logic is typical of big pharma thinking. > > Say you have a pre-existing heart condition. I walk up and shoot > you. You die 3 days later. Prove to me that my bullet killed you and > not the pre-existing heart condition. That's going to be a tough assignment if you're into magic and don't believe that biology operates by specific processes. On the other hand, it's not too tough if the bullet nicked the bullet nicked the earlobe but the proximate cause of death was myocardial inschemia consequent to arterial plaque that had been building up for years. It's also easy if the bullet penetrated the skull and pureed the brain. Either way there's actual *mechanism* involved. Of course, the more religiously inclined would simply blame evil spirits. The more avant-garde religious might name those evil spirits things like "toxins" but it's still the same old-time religion. > Secondly, considering the chicken and the egg, which comes first, the > disease or the vaccine which can cause and/or aggrevagte your disease > until you are dead? Ummm, gee -- if the vaccine *aggravates* the pre-existing condition then a quick consideration of the usual chronology suggests that the pre-existing condition was ... pre-existing. Wow. It's a good thing that you have us to work out problems like this that are too tough for you to do on your own. Of course, if the pre-existing condition (e.g. mitochondrial disorder) were a congenital one that can be triggered by any fever, avoiding vaccines wouldn't really make much long-term difference. > When will we learn and admit that vaccines are not safe nor effective? Maybe when you have a better argument than, "Doctors make too much money and I hate them for it?" > When will we learn that you should not inject poisons into sick > children? When you can show that it does more harm than *not*. (NB: Baby Poling's father doesn't seem to agree with you. That's a bit of a clue, there.) I won't hold my breath. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message > <465e7e21-073d-4fd1-8678-5c596de4f303@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > those evil spirits things like "toxins" but it's still the > same old-time religion. Ah, religion. Here's the great thing for the religious zealots... if you're shot through the brain with a bullet and you live it is a miracle of god. If you're shot through the head and you die, god has chosen you to join him. If you're shot through the head and you're a permanent vegetable then god has special plans for you. It never ceases to amaze me how religious zealots - who should be eternally happy since everything that over goes right or goes wrong is a good thing and in the master plan - somehow are the root cause of all the world's major problems and wars. > In message <465e7e21-073d-4fd1-8678- > I won't hold my breath. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ If you held your breath until you turned black would be a help. Dr. Archie Kalernicos (sp) work with the aboriginal population in Australia proves the fatality of vacinating the ill. Yet, the docs do not care. As an example, he relayed this. Archie went on leave. The doc who replaced him was told not to vaccinate any sick child. The doc new better, He vaccinated two ill kids and killed them both. I think it is high time we rethink giving the docs a license to kill like agent 007. Perhaps they would clean up their murderous ways. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. On Mar 14, 8:38 pm, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Ilena Rose" <B...@mundo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > This kind of logic is typical of big pharma thinking. > > Say you have a pre-existing heart condition. I walk up and shoot > you. You die 3 days later. Prove to me that my bullet killed you and > not the pre-existing heart condition. If you shot me in my toe, I had it bandaged up at my local ER, and by the next day I was back at work doing fine... then a few days later dropped dead ... I'd say it wsa probably from that pre-existing heart condition. What we are talking about here is when we can and can't just assume that a temporal relationship is also a causative one. About 7,000 people will die today in the USA. Many of them will have sniffed cocaine 3 days ago. Did that cause their demise? Many will have had food poisoning within the last week. Surely that must have killed them. Many ate steak dinners last night. Steak now kills people too! The point is this - pick your "event" - whether it be doing drugs, eating certain foods, engaging in racy activities, or ... or getting a vaccination. Statistically deaths will occur - based on random chance - shortly after any such event. The event juxtaposed to a death is not proof of causation. |
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