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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Quackpots - How come you're not raising money to pay Polevoy's debt to Ilena Rosenthal?
Quackpots: How come you're not raising money to pay Polevoy's debt to Ilena Rosenthal? I thought he was one of your own. Don't you people help each other? I mean, all of you dimwits certainly encouraged "Stalker Polevoy," when he was slithering his way around the lawsuit, making grandiose claims of victory, long before, and during the process when, the US Court system was mega-battering him. All he owes is $311,000 US, and some change. Why don't some, or all of you, just write some checks? Wouldn't you feel better knowing you'd done the "right thing" by Ilena? I mean, after all, didn't she suffer through, what the California Supreme Court, and virtually the ENTIRE internet, described as a "Fake" lawsuit? Why can't you all admit you were wrong, that you encouraged "stalker" Terry to go forward, and help him pay what he owes? Don't you have any ehtical sense, at all? Curious in California... Tim Bolen On Mar 12, 8:39 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: > Quackpots: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tim Bolen Unfortunately from what I have observered, and in my opinion, ethics does not exist with this group. In my opinion, the deliberate defamation and character assasination of people but these groups deserves a much stronger penalty then they received. Justice will eventually be served. > Unfortunately from what I have observered, and in my opinion, ethics > does not exist with this group. > In my opinion, the deliberate defamation and character assasination of > people but these groups deserves a much stronger > penalty then they received. Justice will eventually be served. Absolutely not. Stalking is the mainstay of this group, as it would appear. One should be allowed in the privacy of their own home to be "bug free," and that's not happening here. One of the things I've personally experienced is whenever someone from the other camp is accusing you of something--- whatever they are accusing you of they are doing themselves. Harassing people in their own homes, and at their employers from reading websites, and from my own personal experience---people that don't belong in my life, have suddenly thought my business was there business. This would appear to have started around 1997 or so and is continuing to this day. It's an outrage. People have the right to have their own lives without people nosing into their lives. I'm beginning to think that the emails that were sent from Dr. Rea's and Dr. Johnson's (his former partner) patients and former patients behalf were somehow given out, because it would appear that the witch hunt to find some of us has become apparent. It was shortly after that time, did I start to have major problems with my computer, and did I become aware that there was some kind of electronic device picking up telephone conversations in my own home, and in house conversations. My personal life, and my business life is no one's business and certainly not the business of anyone here. I do not come to anyone's home and stalk them, or go to their work place and stalk them. I respect people's privacy. You should respect mine. This is the land of the free, and the home of the brave. I also have problems posting information. Posts magically disappear. Sometimes I cannot make posts. Sometimes emails I send don't go through. Sometimes people attempt to email me, and I never get them. This is not normal. Whatever is happening here needs to "unhappen." This is my own personal work computer. My employer is fully aware of the problems, and my work has nothing to do with posting to this newsgroup. I would appreciate whomever is responsible for any or all of this to make sure it "unhappens," and "unhappens soon." > > Unfortunately from what I have observered, and in my opinion, ethics > > does not exist with this group. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I would appreciate whomever is responsible for any or all of this to > make sure it "unhappens," and "unhappens soon." Bee :I could not agree with you more. Much of what has happened to yo uhas also happened to me. What is disturbing is that there are not many regulatory bodies to turn ot to assist in stopping this activity. 'My own dealings with The New York State Education department and Dental Board were unfair as admitted to me by an attorney for The office of Profesional Discipline. The problem is that nobody oversees their actions and they are free to do whatever they choose. If a special interest group "persuades" them to act a certain way, it is very difficult to do anything about it. Careers and reputations are ruined. The intrusion into private lives is not what this country was founded. We criticized The former Soviet Union for doing such things and we are guilty of the same activity her in the U.S.. As you have said, it must be stopped. NOW > :I could not agree with you more. > Much of what has happened to yo uhas also happened to me. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > NOW There are plenty of things one can do, and placing the information out in a public forum, is the manner in which law enforcement told me to start with. If others are experiencing the same type of difficulty with bank accounts,credit files, computer compromising, telephone, and eavesdropping problems, it would appear that there might be individuals that have found that what we have to say goes against their opinions. Tough. Free speech works both ways. It would appear based on the information you have just stated that I'm not alone, in this. I do know some reputable private investigators that have told me about some not so reputable private investigators, and I knew one of those not so reputable ones in my past. This guy was so paranoid about something happening to him, that he would throw his wife in front of him and walk backwards into his house. You have to wonder if there are some private investigators that post to this newsgroup, or people that work in certain fields that believe that it is OK to pry into people's bank accounts and snoop as they see fit. I got a notification from my bank just today, that someone had inquired using my social security #, about getting a loan. They didn't know my brand new password when they called, and the bank called me while they were still on the phone. We were equally as blown away as to whom the intruder was. I don't dislike conventional medicine--that's the part I "don't get." But what I dislike is people attempting to make choices for me, when it is clear that they don't have all of the information; or the information they have received would appear to be distorted in some manner. So, why go around and call people "morons," and "stupid," and this and that, when it is clear to understand that they do not have the experience, and I don't care how many case studies they cite it appears all they have is a "playbook," that they want the rest of the players in order to score wining touchdowns for their team. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "paperback writer" in the group, and half of the posters are sock puppets. > > Unfortunately from what I have observered, and in my opinion, ethics > > does not exist with this group. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I would appreciate whomever is responsible for any or all of this to > make sure it "unhappens," and "unhappens soon." Bee :I could not agree with you more. Much of what has happened to yo uhas also happened to me. What is disturbing is that there are not many regulatory bodies to turn ot to assist in stopping this activity. 'My own dealings with The New York State Education department and Dental Board were unfair as admitted to me by an attorney for The office of Profesional Discipline. The problem is that nobody oversees their actions and they are free to do whatever they choose. If a special interest group "persuades" them to act a certain way, it is very difficult to do anything about it. Careers and reputations are ruined. The intrusion into private lives is not what this country was founded. We criticized The former Soviet Union for doing such things and we are guilty of the same activity her in the U.S.. As you have said, it must be stopped. I am trying to post this and I keep receiveing an error preventing it from posting. NOW >On Mar 12, 8:39 am, jurim...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Quackpots: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >people but these groups deserves a much stronger >penalty then they received. Justice will eventually be served. Are you receiving any sort of treatment for this paranoia of yours? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > Are you receiving any sort of treatment for this paranoia of yours? Are you a Psychiatrist, David? >> Are you receiving any sort of treatment for this paranoia of yours? > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David? Some things are sufficiently obvious that professional credentials are unneeded. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > Some things are sufficiently obvious that professional credentials are > unneeded. Absolutely correct. For example, the toxicity of mercury in very low doses and the possible harm that it can do in the human body. Why put mercury that is known to be so highly toxic into the human body? The answer is sufficientyly obvious - it should NOT be done. > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" > -- Bill Maher >> Some things are sufficiently obvious that professional credentials are >> unneeded. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >mercury that is known to be so highly toxic into the human body? >The answer is sufficientyly obvious - it should NOT be done. And now it's not being done any more, so why are people like you getting so exercised about it? -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > In article <145fd228-070f-4ad2-9862-3b7eb3844...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" > -- Bill Maher It is still in vaccines such as the flu vaccine and in leftover vaccines. The point is that you and others never saw any harm with it to begin with. What does that say about your intelligence interpreting information? What is, or will be, the next thimerosol that you will fully support as being safe? >> In article ><145fd228-070f-4ad2-9862-3b7eb3844...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >It is still in vaccines such as the flu vaccine and in leftover >vaccines. "Leftover vaccines?" Yeah, right. All those have long since passed their expiration dates. >The point is that you and others never saw any harm with it to begin >with. What does that say about your intelligence interpreting >information? What is, or will be, the next thimerosol that you will >fully support as being safe? The notion that the thimerosal was some big hazard in the first place is a bit of nonsense that you and those like you have decided to clutch to your bosom, without any significant evidence. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > It is still in vaccines such as the flu vaccine and in leftover > vaccines. The flu vaccine is not mandated, and is also available without Thimerosal. See: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1 Within the past two weeks, I posted information disproving the claim that there was a signficant amount of vaccines with thimerosalavailable indoctor's ofcfices by 2003. No vaccines that pre- date the FDA request to remove thimerosal canstill be used. They have all expired. > The point is that you and others never saw any harm with it to begin > with. The point is, that many people claimed that there was harm, but never proved that there was any harm. On Mar 14, 9:23 am, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > It is still in vaccines such as the flu vaccine and in leftover > vaccines. The flu vaccine is not mandated, and is also available without Thimerosal. See: Newsflash!! DUH... http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1 ====== Great sources. Both have vested interest and FRAUD. http://www.odatus.com/FDA-payoff.htm http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/04/17/addi ng_bite_to_fda_screening/ Within the past two weeks, I posted information disproving the claim that there was a signficant amount of vaccines with thimerosalavailable indoctor's ofcfices by 2003. =========== Has Mark S Probert lost it? He claims to have his own business. Of course he has done no such thing. He did provide this several times: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-feb02.doc No vaccines that pre- date the FDA request to remove thimerosal canstill be used. They have all expired. > The point is that you and others never saw any harm with it to begin > with. The point is, that many people claimed that there was harm, but never proved that there was any harm. ========= Repeating this Blatant LIE. http://www.thecre.com/quality/2005/20050825f_quality.html Why Won't the CDC Allow Access to the Vaccine Safety Datalink? http://www.thimerosal-news.com/html/news.html#nov11 Thimerosal Autism News "Groups continue to argue possible thimerosal, autism link" July 20, 2005 Leaders of federal health agencies and medical societies called a press briefing yesterday to emphasize childhood vaccines are safe and do not cause autism. Parents of children with autism scheduled a rally in Washington to call for a ban on mercury in all medical products. READ FULL ARTICLE... "RFK Jr. says Thimerosal and autism link is clear " June 22, 2005 For years, the connection between thimerosal in vaccines and the development of autism has been argued. Studies continue to be presented in favor of whatever side of the fence being argued, but many people are still confused over what the official stance on the subject is. READ FULL ARTICLE... "Thimerosal controversy continues" November 11, 2003 The link between thimerosal and autism and other learning disabilities has continued to be argued for decades. Thimerosal is 49.6% ethylmercury and was widely used since the 1940s in over the counter drugs. After being banned in 1998 from over the counter drugs, thimerosal is still found in some vaccines. Mercury is the second most toxic substance known to man behind uranium. While many doctors continue to claim thimerosal has been removed from vaccines given to children, a closer look would show otherwise. If following today's government recommendations, a child has received more than 30 vaccinations, a dramatic increase from just over a decade ago. Vaccine makers were never ordered to remove thimerosal, rather encouraged. Although many vaccines have chosen to remove thimerosal or greatly reduce the levels of it, it is still found in many. Before 1980, autism was diagnosed in just 1 in 10,000 children. By 2002, the National Institutes of Health reported autism affected 1 in 250 children and estimates show the number of children afflicted with autism disorders is continuing to increase by about 10% every year. Paralleling the rising autism numbers, the required vaccines have significantly increased over the years and many people believe this is no coincidence. In 1985, just four recommended shots for infants in the first 18 months contained thimerosal, but by 1991, seven more shots were required containing thimerosal in all 11. Over the years, there continues to be a link made between autism and thimerosal and Eli Lilly continues to face hundreds of civil lawsuits from families with autistic children. For more information on thimerosal, please contact us to confer with an attorney. "Safe Minds Advocacy Group Alleges Manipulated Study on Thimerosal and Autism" September 2, 2003 There have been a high number of recent news articles claiming that a new report published by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) in its Pediatrics journal clearing the thimerosal and autism link. According to Safe Minds Executive Director, "Our analysis of the research has uncovered so many questionable practices in the study that the authors' conclusions clearing thimerosal are improbable," (Safe Minds, 9/2/03). There were discoveries of conflict of interest regarding study contributors, which Pediatrics did not disclose. Two of the authors of the study are employees of the Danish manufacturer of thimerosal vaccines. In addition, the journal receives significant advertising revenues from vaccine manufacturers. The advocacy group has issued a press release saying that the study's premise was based entirely on a purported increase in autism incidence in Denmark throughout the 1990s despite the fact that thimerosal removal occurred in 1992. Thus, the thimerosal study falsely created an increase. Safe Minds ended its press release stating, "Safe Minds regrets this change in the AAP's position and encourages Pediatrics to raise its scientific standards in what it chooses to publish," (Safe Minds, 9/2/03). Thimerosal in the News While researchers look for links between autism, pervasive developmental disorders, and the mercury content of the vaccines which are mandated by law, some physicians are convinced that the dangers of mandatory vaccinations and the vaccines themselves potentially cause more harm than good. CLICK HERE to learn more! Thimerosal: A possible cause of autism-spectrum disorders including autism, ADHD, PDD, & anorexia. CLICK HERE to learn more! For more information on thimerosal contact us to confer with a thimerosal lawyer. The uproar over a little-known preservative, thimerosal, jostles U.S. hepatitis B vaccination policy. For the full article, CLICK HERE! Thimerosal in Vaccines: A Joint Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Public Health Service. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Modernization Act of 1997 called for FDA to review and assess the risk of all mercury-containing food and drugs. For the full article, CLICK HERE! Washington, DC - In an October 25, 2000 letter to HHS Secretary Donna Shalala, Congressman Dan Burton (R-IN), Chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, requested a recall of all vaccines containing Thimerosal. For the full article, CLICK HERE! Additional Education While researchers look for links between autism, pervasive developmental disorders, and the mercury content of the vaccines which are mandated by law, some physicians are convinced that the dangers of mandatory vaccinations and the vaccines themselves potentially cause more harm than good. CLICK HERE to learn more! Thimerosal: A possible cause of autism-spectrum disorders including autism, ADHD, PDD, & anorexia. CLICK HERE to learn more! Keeping Current On Vaccine Recommendations. During the last 10 - and especially the last 5 years - changes in the number of vaccines and recommendations for their use has been tremendous.CLICK HERE to learn more! The Toxic Exposure Study Trust (TEST) Foundation. The purpose of this web page is to educate persons in the health care community and the public at large about the potential dangers resulting from exposure to thimerosal containing compounds and substances.CLICK HERE to learn more! Personal Injury Attorney Near You - Resource for Information about Personal Injury. Find information about all types of personal injury including auto accident, defective products, nursing home abuse, and wrongful death. In addition, An Attorney Near You, is the place for locating a Personal Injury Attorney Nationwide for your personal injury litigation. Benzene Exposure Lawsuit - Workers are exposed to benzene, the human carcinogen that has been responsible for instances of acute myelogenous leukemia, acute lymphocytic leukemia, chronic myelogenous leukemia, in addition to other forms of cancer and leukemia. Learn more about Benzene exposure here. Federal Drug Administration (FDA) We want to explain FDA's ongoing efforts in response to the issue of vaccines and autism By KAREN MIDTHUN, M.D., . Get the full story here The uproar over a little-known preservative, thimerosal, jostles U.S. hepatitis B vaccination policy. Washington, DC - In an October 25, 2000 letter to HHS Secretary Donna Shalala, Congressman Dan Burton (R-IN), Chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, requested a recall of all vaccines containing Thimerosal. Thimerosal in Vaccines: A Joint Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Public Health Service. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Modernization Act of 1997 called for FDA to review and assess the risk of all mercury-containing food and drugs. Click here to find out more about your legal rights regarding thimerosal. > In article > <145fd228-070f-4ad2-9862-3b7eb3844619@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And now it's not being done any more, so why are people like you > getting so exercised about it? Blatant lie. http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net OrgName: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. OrgID: CMCS Address: 1800 Bishops Gate Blvd City: Mt Laurel StateProv: NJ PostalCode: 08054 Country: US > Absolutely correct. For example, the toxicity of mercury in very low > doses and the possible harm that it can do in the human body. Why put > mercury that is known to be so highly toxic into the human body? > The answer is sufficientyly obvious - it should NOT be done. The same can be said of anything that has potential for harm. Just Say No. Never expose your child to (for instance) ozone. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <145fd228-070f-4ad2-9862-3b7eb3844...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Kulacz wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Poor argunment DC. The same can be said for drinking too much water. > >> Are you receiving any sort of treatment for this paranoia of yours? > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David? > > Some things are sufficiently obvious that professional credentials are > unneeded. Really----what do you credentials do you have for this type of work? > > >> Are you receiving any sort of treatment for this paranoia of yours? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Really----what do you credentials do you have for this type of work? The ability to read for understanding. On Mar 13, 2:36 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > >On Mar 12, 9:20�pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Really----what do you credentials do you have for this type of work? The ability to read for understanding. Uh huh, and when will you and David and a few other poor lost fools here develop such an ability? >On Mar 13, 2:36 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> David Wright wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Uh huh, and when will you and David and a few other poor lost fools here >develop such an ability? Ah, tools, I see your time away did not provide you with any additional ability to use a newsreader. I don't think you were away long enough. Also, most people outgrow "I know you are, but what am I?" in about the third grade. I see you're not one of the majority. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher On Mar 13, 2:36 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > >On Mar 12, 9:20�pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Really----what do you credentials do you have for this type of work? MP The ability to read for understanding. Like Andrew Kingoff, Mark evidently does not know who he is. Thinks he is David Wright? > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? No. He just plays one on the internet. > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > > No. He just plays one on the internet. It sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties do. > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > > > No. He just plays one on the interneIt sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties > do. Very original M.P. About 30 minutes ago my wifes partner (my wife is an OB/GYN) lost a baby. My wife was called in to assist as the baby was crashing. They did all that they could but the baby died. Both my wife and her partener are dvastated. In fact I am not sure if he partner will be able to get over this and continue to practice.She is, of course, completely devastated. Those that have never medically treated human beings and ad the feeling of being resposible for another person'slife cannot feel this emotional response. You may think that you can but the visceral feeling cannot be felt unless you are actually a part of it. Whan I read some of the callous remarks on these and other groups I realize that there is a totally different perspective than a person that actually treats human beings and lives with these decisions forever. It is something that Probert, Wright, Sessions, etc. will never come close to ever experiencing.EVER. So their criticisms mean nothing because they were never actually in the game. Traditional medicine + alternative medicine combined with sound reasoning = integrative medicine.Using the best of all modalties. Some apparently cannot do this or have a hidden agenda not to even try. > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > close to ever experiencing.EVER. So their criticisms mean nothing > because they were never actually in the game. Dr. K, thanks for the emotional story. I remember when I lost a baby when I was six months pg, how the Obgyn doctor cried with me. She lived for 3 hours, and ofcourse we gave her a name. Yep, none of the robots here know how to display any emotions except for anger. Who they are angry at is beyond me. I know who they want us to believe that they are protecting--ya know in the name of "consumer protection," but if you read through lines, they are only protecting "the money." It's all about "the money" and absolutely nothing about "the people." It is sad that this is what our world of medicine all boils down to. I interviewed someone the other day about the healthcare in our country, and was surprised to learn that the number of doctors in this country had been reduced in 6 years by over 250,000 doctors. Then I learned about the drop in clinics that places like Wallmart are putting into their stores so that Nurse Practitioners can prescribe drugs right there in the store. That's disgusting. Would I use their services? Absolutely not. I like my doctors; I like being involved in my own healthcare, and I like being involved with my own health care, and that's my right---just some doctors don't like it when you come prepared with a list of questions, and ask about the items on your list. That's why I like my choice of doctor--they may only have the traditional 15 min. visit, but they always take the time to listen, and welcome your involvement in your healthcare. > > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I agree with you Bee. Just from posts by certain memebers you can clearly see an attitude that was disturbing. I was asked how many patients I lost as a dentist. Answer, none died. Howsever my practice was devoted to treating people that were ill, some extremely ill, from dental procedures such as chronically infected root canals (they are actualy all infected regardless of how well the root canal is performed. The ADA freely admits this) that went undiagnosed by their dentist because the dentist knew almost nothing about medicine, and undiagnosed by physiscians who knew ver little about dentistry.Some of the recoveries were truly amazing and I am proud to have contiributed to them. The atacks by the dental board were 110% worth it. MP: Thimerosol free flu vaccines are given to young children and not routinely given to older children and adults. Some of the posts here are a window on the current lack of empathy, compassion, and general caring for others. D.W. you illustrate this quite well and unfortunately there are many more people that hold the same views as you. Third grade David? I would not mind going back to third grade. I would find alot more open minded "kids" there than you. > > > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > Third grade David? I would not mind going back to third grade. I > would find alot more open minded "kids" there than you.- Hide quoted text - In a third grade classroom, you might be able to win an argument. But, it is clear that you wouldn't do well on Jeff Foxworthy's show, Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader. > - Show quoted text - On Mar 15, 9:15 am, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > - Show quoted text - After last night's situation with the demise a baby with the umbilical cord wrapped around the neck of the baby 5 times, (and no indication of any problems), the posts by some of the people on this forum turn my stomach. Any further discussion with many people on this forum is useless since negativity is all that you seem to know "Arguements" (as the Zen man puts it) , and insults, rather than civil discussions are all that you know. > Any further discussion with many people on this forum is useless > since negativity is all that you seem to know > "Arguements" (as the Zen man puts it) , and insults, rather than > civil discussions are all that you know. Dr. K, do you feel that your right to free speech is being stifled? > > Any further discussion with many people on this forum is useless > > since negativity is all that you seem to know > > "Arguements" (as the Zen man puts it) , and insults, rather than > > civil discussions are all that you know. > > Dr. K, do you feel that your right to free speech is being stifled? Bee: I feel that there is a deliberate atempt to discredit and defame any person that does not support the views of groups such as quackwatch and ratbags. (I just use them as two examples) The insults and comments by some members further illustrate the clear agenda of a closed system rather than a free and open exchange of ideas. They of course would not see it that way and is exactly why they do what they do. As I have mentioned before, it is impossible to have a civil and academic exchange of ideas when many people on this group deliberately attempt to prevent this. So in answer to your queestion, my freedom of speech is being stifled the methods employed by some of the members here to deliberately move away from constructive exchange of ideas. > So in answer to your queestion, my freedom of speech is being stifled > the methods employed by some of the members here to deliberately move > away from constructive exchange of ideas. Are you ready for what seems to be happening to me--I've being signed up to Reunion.com and several other sites which I have not navigated to. Nor, am I interested in belonging to. It would take someone posing as me to sign up for this service---and since I have not, it makes me wonder why someone feels that they have the right to be me? A credit card company informed me yesterday that someone posing as me was attempting to use my account for a purchase. They shut the card down. > > So in answer to your queestion, my freedom of speech is being stifled > > the methods employed by some of the members here to deliberately move [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > informed me yesterday that someone posing as me was attempting to use > my account for a purchase. They shut the card down. Wow.!! What has this country become? We have to worry about American on American terrorists much more than any foreign terrorists. What drives people to be so evil and corrupt as to ruin people's lives? I am sorry that you are going through this. It seems that our society is quickly sliding down a path to destruction. (If it is not already there) My thoughts are with you. <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote: On Mar 14, 11:40 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > On Mar 14, 11:11 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > would find alot more open minded "kids" there than you.- Hide quoted > text - In a third grade classroom, you might be able to win an argument. But, it is clear that you wouldn't do well on Jeff Foxworthy's show, Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader. How smart is Andrew Kingoff? He can't keep track of who he is. >From: jking...@aol.com5in From: John Bain (jbai...@aol.com) - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > Subject: Re: Aspartame: Any Truth to the Stories? > Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative > Date: 2002-09-22 04:26:41 PST > ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein) writes: > >Jan, I'm sure that this Andrew is a fine piece of beef-cake, but I don't > >see > >why you air this fixation on MHA. Oh, and if you don't quit calling > >me > >"fake ilsa", I'll report you to Karuna's knee-jerk ISP. > But Andrew, you are not very good at maintaining your separate personas. > Do you remember this interchange where you forgot which account you were [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > >most 'proper' treatment I have ever received. I have used it SOLELY > > >for 6 years. > > So, you've been taking it for 6 years and you're not cured? > Dear Ilsa, > how many years do you use regular medicine? how many years do you take [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than > ask questions. > greetings > Kris [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > View this article only > Date: 2001-10-09 06:08:38 PST > >Dear Ilsa, > >how many years do you use regular medicine? > I haven't needed regular medicine much. I have had my vaccinations, eat > properly, exercise, and don't take silly risks. > > how many years do you take > >antibiotics > I have taken antibiotics once. I was Rx'd a single pill. > >. Did that cured you permanently? > Well, I felt much better the following day and haven't taken one since and > that > was bout 6 years ago. > >If you start thinking, even a couple of seconds, you will find out that > >people don't cure forever. > Duh. However, some conditions are resolved and in the absence of > re-infection > they don't reoccur. > >A good advice: read Organon of Samuel Hahnemann. When you haven't read > >that > >book you will not understand what homeopathy is all about. Read it and > >than > >ask questions. > I've read it and I've read more modern books on it. Its pure hokum and > the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > FAVORABLE > to homeopathy. > >greetings > >Kris > Show us a replicated, controlled, peer-reviewed study which show that > homeopathy is efficacious. Homeopathy was Hahnemann's way of acting-out > against "the system". It is nothing more than superstition, > pseudo-science, > and sympathetic magic. > In the 21st century, we have real medicine and don't need to cling to the > vanity of a long deceased, disaffected 18th century doctor of voodoo. === > - Show quoted text - >> > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >close to ever experiencing.EVER. So their criticisms mean nothing >because they were never actually in the game. And you were? How many patients did you lose as a dentist? >Traditional medicine + alternative medicine combined with sound >reasoning = integrative medicine.Using the best of all modalties. The hard part is to decide which of the items labeled "alternative" are good to include. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > > > > No. He just plays one on the interneIt sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties > > do. > > Very original M.P. About as original as your comment. Do not worry, I have a day job, so I do not need to ely on my talent as a sit-down comic. > About 30 minutes ago my wifes partner (my wife is an OB/GYN) lost a > baby. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > over this and continue to practice.She is, of course, completely > devastated. When my son was in NICU, we witnessed this several times. I witnessed it inVietnam, as my buddies would bleed out due to massive wounds. Obviously, though, the baby's death was unavoidable. I am certain that they did their best, and that is all that they could do. > Those that have never medically treated human beings and ad the > feeling of being resposible for another person'slife cannot feel this > emotional response. You may think that you can but the visceral > feeling cannot be felt unless you are actually a part of it. There are similar feelings that others do experience. Years ago I met the infectious disease specialist who actuallysigned off on my evac to Japan for malaria. While I was under his care in the hospital, we spent severallatenights discussing things. We understood that the responsibility a physician has for maintaining life, is similar to that of the combat infantry man who is responsible for doing the same thing for his buddies. There were many times I was upset over not being able to protect my buddies, but circumstances dod not allow for it. > Whan I read some of the callous remarks on these and other groups I > realize that there is a totally different perspective than a person > that actually treats human beings and lives with these decisions > forever. I agree. I also feel that there is a callous disregard for the benefits of medicine in these groups. Perhaps you have seen that some people only spend their time trashing evidence based medicine and those who support it. They post every article that they can find that puts medicine in a bad light. They never, everconcede that they could be wrong. You may have seen some verbiage where I said that it was not possible to be allergic to elemental Mercury. Several people showed me why I was wrong,and I corrected myself. I have yet to see that from any altie. > It is something that Probert, Wright, Sessions, etc. will never come > close to ever experiencing.EVER. DCS is an EMT and is trained in winter rescue. I was a combat infantry man, responsible for the safety of my buddies. I do not know David's particulars, so I will not commenton them. Both DCS and I have had the responsibility to maintain life. I should also point out that I spent four summers as an ocean lifeguard, where I rescued people who were not breathing and resuscitated them. Bottom line, you do not know us well enough tomake such judgements. So their criticisms mean nothing > because they were never actually in the game. Perhaps you could answer this. I have often noticed that supporters of altie treatments seem tohave aneed to marginalize those with whom they disagree. Why is that? Is it an acknowledgement that they cannot compete on a factual level? > Traditional medicine + alternative medicine combined with sound > reasoning = integrative medicine.Using the best of all modalties. If alternative treatments are safe and effective, then they no longer are alternative. I have but one standard, proven to besafe and effective. If a treatment meets that standard, I consider it to be mainstream. > Some apparently cannot do this or have a hidden agenda not to even > try. And some have examined the alternative treatments and found them to be lacking in safety or effectiveness. > > > > > > > >Are you a Psychiatrist, David?? > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > And some have examined the alternative treatments and found them to be > lacking in safety or effectiveness. Absolutely. So have I. That is why an open approach is needed. One that is NOT employed by many people here on the froup and certain websites.You admitted thast you would give your child thimerosol containing vaccones if "they" approved them. You better start looking at who "they" are, unless you are a part of them already. On Mar 14, 10:20 pm, Kulacz <drkul...@optonline.net> wrote: > On Mar 14, 9:47 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Very original M.P. About as original as your comment. Do not worry, I have a day job, so I do not need to ely on my talent as a sit-down comic. ely............. Your day job needs some work. > About 30 minutes ago my wifes partner (my wife is an OB/GYN) lost a > baby. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > over this and continue to practice.She is, of course, completely > devastated. <When my son was in NICU, we witnessed this several times. I witnessed it inVietnam, as my buddies would bleed out due to massive wounds.> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43 Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies. Obviously, though, the baby's death was unavoidable. I am certain that they did their best, and that is all that they could do. > Those that have never medically treated human beings and ad the > feeling of being resposible for another person'slife cannot feel this > emotional response. You may think that you can but the visceral > feeling cannot be felt unless you are actually a part of it. <There are similar feelings that others do experience. Years ago I met the infectious disease specialist who actuallysigned off on my evac to Japan for malaria. While I was under his care in the hospital, we spent severallatenights discussing things. We understood that the responsibility a physician has for maintaining life, is similar to that of the combat infantry man who is responsible for doing the same thing for his buddies. There were many times I was upset over not being able to protect my buddies, but circumstances dod not allow for it.> severallatenights dod not allow for it. === Get help Mark. > Whan I read some of the callous remarks on these and other groups I > realize that there is a totally different perspective than a person > that actually treats human beings and lives with these decisions > forever. <I agree. I also feel that there is a callous disregard for the benefits of medicine in these groups. Perhaps you have seen that some people only spend their time trashing evidence based medicine and those who support it. They post every article that they can find that puts medicine in a bad light. They never, everconcede that they could be wrong.> everconcede <You may have seen some verbiage where I said that it was not possible to be allergic to elemental Mercury. Several people showed me why I was wrong,and I corrected myself. I have yet to see that from any altie.> Another blatant lie. > It is something that Probert, Wright, Sessions, etc. will never come > close to ever experiencing.EVER. DCS is an EMT and is trained in winter rescue. I was a combat infantry man, responsible for the safety of my buddies. I do not know David's particulars, so I will not commenton them. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43 Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies. Both DCS and I have had the responsibility to maintain life. I should also point out that I spent four summers as an ocean lifeguard, where I rescued people who were not breathing and resuscitated them. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43 Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies. <Bottom line, you do not know us well enough tomake such judgements. tomake........... So their criticisms mean nothing > because they were never actually in the game. <Perhaps you could answer this. I have often noticed that supporters of altie treatments seem tohave aneed to marginalize those with whom they disagree. Why is that? Is it an acknowledgement that they cannot compete on a factual level?> tohave aneed Mark, for pete's sake..get help. FACT: You are indeed a proven liar and hypocrite. Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-September 7, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 09-07...@lambercartel.com> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 10, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-10...@lymbercartel.com> From: M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 30, 2004 (M.a.r.k_P.r.o.b.e.r.t_04-30...@limbercartel.com) http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/5216459afa12311c Dec 2 2006 I am restoring the UDP with the rules that I posted today. Jan, go look like a junk yard dog. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/6e256ee9eeb0e2d8 Dec 1 2006 Jan Drew wrote: >> Jan Drew wrote: >>>> However, I am the only one who has consistently offered peace. Both >>>> women have steadfastly refused. >>> Here is his peace offering, and just one where he says no conditions. >>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/c74c400... >>> I will, as of this posting, Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM >>> EST, >>> unconditionally cease and desist from posting to Ilena, about Ilena or >>> in >>> response to Ilena. >>> I hope that you, who have been a supporter of hers, will now move and >>> directly ask her to do the same thing. Further, if she ceases her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> Club >>> will cease to exist. >>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/441b7e9e3... >>> That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no >>> conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it. >> Thanks, Jan, I knew I could rely on you to post proof of my claims. I >> appreciate your assistance. > You are only showing how dishonest you are. Your peace offering > had conditions. Some did, some did not. The UDP did not, and you repeatedly and viciously mocked it and feebly attempted to goad me into breaking it. I'll be clear in this: Peace requires the cessation of hostilities on all sides. You have, in the past, made it perfectly clear that you will not abide by peace so long as I do not "confess" what you think is the truth. Simply put, I will return to the UDP with these rules: 1. I will not post to you or about you. 2. I will respond to topics of interest in any thread I so choose, deleting all references to you. It is beyond the powers of mortal man to delete what you say, simply because your cut and paste jobs are incomprehensible. However, I will do my best to avoid posting responses to your comments, errors may happen, since I am not perfect, and your cut and paste jobs are often incomprehensible. However, they are *error* and nothing more. 3. I expect nothing of you. If you want to continue to snipe at me, feel free to do so. It will only make you look like a rabid junk yard dog. 4, I will decide when to return to the UDP. I was a lot happier with it in place. It is as simple as that. UDP-renew http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/8266e637f32102a2 Dec 1 2006 Jan Drew wrote: >> Jan Drew wrote: >>>> I agree that this group would be more peaceful without the likes of >>>> Probert or Bowditch, but they ARE here, so you need to find a better >>>> way to deal with it. Be the bigger person. Your negative attitude >>>> isn't going to win over any people who come here for information. >>>> Personally, I appreciate the fact that there are people here to counter >>>> alternative claims, for several reasons. 1 - It keeps us alties [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>> threads would probably have about 1/4 of the raw data they currently >>>> have. >>>> You don't have to like them as people, but you DO have to accept that >>>> they are here. How you deal with that fact greatly influences how >>>> others in this group view you as a person... AND as a source of >>>> credible information. You haven't seemed to be able to find a good way >>>> to deal with their presence, so I have to think that many people don't >>>> consider you a credible source of information. >>>> That's just my opinion. >>>> Max. >>> Look at the title you are posting under. Do you really think I need to >>> take [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> try and trash my >>> reputation. because his was ruined. >>> Put yourself in my place. >> I put myself in your place before I made my first reply to this thread. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> you had gained with replies like the one above. What's sad is that you >> either don't see that or don't care. >> Max. > How very wrong you are. Yes, I saw it all and appreciate it greatly. But you showed your appreciation by being vile. Just like you mock my efforts at peace. It can only be peace on your terms. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/27e977b72911c2a9 Dec 1 2006 Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:OG4ch.66$R_1.45@trndny08... > Jan Drew wrote: >>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> A question for Jan: >>> If you are so offended by what Mark posted ONLY TO M.H.A, why are you >>> continually posting it verbatim to other groups? >> Because they need to see how vicious he is. > I see...I am vicious... Yes, you have proven that. > Horseshit..you have never met my vicious side, and you should spend your > weekend in Church thanking G-d for that. The last person who met that side > reached ambient air temperature in just a few hours. That funny, you wre not only silent when you were disbarred, you did nothing. >>> I was going to chastise Mark for posting it >> Sure you were. Why didn't you? > There is this little problem Peter from Australia has called time zones. > If you do not know what they are, do look them up. Rubbish. Look up that Peter answers me in three hours. >> (I live in another time >>> zone here and can get out of synch with USAnian posters), but once I >>> saw that you were so unconcerned that you insisted on letting readers >>> of other groups see it I didn't bother. >> That wasn't done to later. You had plentry of time. >> You are making excuses. > You are showing you have no knowledge of time zones. You are showing you are a liar again. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a5ba2572e3... Wed, Nov 1 2006 7:01 pm http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/83e1869ec9... Wed, Nov 1 2006 8:50 pm http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/163f8546d4... Wed, Nov 1 2006 6:51 pm http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d5e54d4a25... Wed, Nov 1 2006 8:49 pm >> If it worries you so little, >>> why should it worry me? >> I am not worried, I know it is one huge lie. >> I also know why he did it. > Oh, pray tell, why did I do it? > He in fact was disbarred. >> Lied about for years. Now he is completely exposed. > You seem to be fixated on exposure. I wear Jockeys and boxers to prevent > that. It is noted you didn't deny being disbarred. >> This is notihng but revenge. > Incorrect. If I wanted revenge, you would be ambient air temperature. I do > not do 1/2 measures of revenge. You are blowing smoke. It is noted you were silent when disbarred. >>> <snip repetition of stuff that Mark shouldn't have said in the first >>> place> >> Why? > Perhaps Peter saw my message which said I was going to ask to have it > removed. If he had quoted it, it would not have been removable by me. > Now, it is gone. I just looked. > Of course, I expect you to have copied and archived it so you can post it > to show how mean and nasty I am. Why wouldn't I? It was LIES about me. > Any further posting of that email will be your problem, not mine. YOU and YOU alone are responsible and *accountable* for your postings. You just proved what was said abut pointing the finger. BTW, called Terry English yet? I dare you. Now -- let us see if you are a big chicken............. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c3c3346a8c2c14ac Dec 1 2006 Jan Drew wrote: >> Hello mark.prob...@gmail.com, >> Your request to remove the following messages from Google Groups has been >> approved. >> vfZah.18334$mM1.5367@trndny08 >> 38...@mindlink.bc.ca >> Request ID: 28134 >> Thanks, >> The Google Groups Team > I have it in my files. If need be you can't deny it. I was absolutely certain of that. There is no need for me to deny it, as I freely acknowledge it now, and forever. However, I will always point out that I was angry at the time I posted it, and, after due reflection and encouragement by people that I respect, I asked to have it removed as it was the wrong thing to have done. Finder123 http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/59f53eaa9c24f8e6 Dec 2 2006 "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:6X5ch.675$sM2.281@trndny05... > Jan Drew wrote: >> "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >> news:OG4ch.66$R_1.45@trndny08... >>> Jan Drew wrote: >>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> A question for Jan: >>>>> If you are so offended by what Mark posted ONLY TO M.H.A, why are you >>>>> continually posting it verbatim to other groups? >>>> Because they need to see how vicious he is. >>> I see...I am vicious... >> Yes, you have proven that. >>> Horseshit..you have never met my vicious side, and you should spend your >>> weekend in Church thanking G-d for that. The last person who met that >>> side reached ambient air temperature in just a few hours. >> That funny, > When I am vicious, there is nothing funny. >>>>> I was going to chastise Mark for posting it >>>> Sure you were. Why didn't you? >>> There is this little problem Peter from Australia has called time zones. >>> If you do not know what they are, do look them up. >> Rubbish. Look up that Peter answers me in three hours. > Like I said, you do not understand time zones. >>>> (I live in another time >>>>> zone here and can get out of synch with USAnian posters), but once I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>> You are making excuses. >>> You are showing you have no knowledge of time zones. >> You are showing you are a liar again. >> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a5ba2572e3... >> Wed, Nov 1 2006 7:01 pm >> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/83e1869ec9... >> Wed, Nov 1 2006 8:50 pm > What makes you think that those times were generated by the same system? > While I am not a systems engineer, I believe that they are generated > either by the originating computer or the first mail server. >> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/163f8546d4... >> Wed, Nov 1 2006 6:51 pm >> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d5e54d4a25... >> Wed, Nov 1 2006 8:49 pm Acknowledge you were wrong, Mark. Then apologize. >>>> If it worries you so little, >>>>> why should it worry me? >>>> I am not worried, I know it is one huge lie. >>>> I also know why he did it. >>> Oh, pray tell, why did I do it? >>> He in fact was disbarred. >>>> Lied about for years. Now he is completely exposed. >>> You seem to be fixated on exposure. I wear Jockeys and boxers to prevent >>> that. >> It is noted you didn't deny being disbarred. > See my previous 1000000000000000 responses. >>>> This is notihng but revenge. >>> Incorrect. If I wanted revenge, you would be ambient air temperature. I >>> do not do 1/2 measures of revenge. >> You are blowing smoke. It is noted you were silent when disbarred. > See above. >>>>> <snip repetition of stuff that Mark shouldn't have said in the first >>>>> place> >>>> Why? >>> Perhaps Peter saw my message which said I was going to ask to have it >>> removed. If he had quoted it, it would not have been removable by me. >>> Now, it is gone. I just looked. >>> Of course, I expect you to have copied and archived it so you can post >>> it to show how mean and nasty I am. >> Why wouldn't I? It was LIES about me. > One reason you would not have done it is that I removed it. However, I > fully expected you to do what you said, as that is your vicious nature. >>> Any further posting of that email will be your problem, not mine. >> YOU and YOU alone are responsible and *accountable* for your postings. >> You just proved what was said abut pointing the finger. > Jan, YOU are also responsible for how people act toward you. Look at Max > for an example. >> BTW, called Terry English yet? >> I dare you. > Who is Terry English and why would I call? >> Now -- let us see if you are a big chicken............. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0d44e32a27... Fri, Dec 1 2006 5:15 pm Where is record of that complaint and record of me being closed down? The whole thing is complete garbage, done because it was proven you have been disbarred. Like a child you did this to try and destroy my good reputation. BTW, fell free to call Terry English, attorney who had his son in my daycare center, He is easy to find. He is not disbarred like you were. Call him, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~` You saw that, no need to pretend you didn't. You keep on showing your despicable behavior. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d0857c2fd83b54e7 Dec 3 2006 Rod wrote: >> Rod wrote: >>>> Rod wrote: >>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:583bh.9352$IW2.3268@trndny03... >>>>>> Eric Bohlman wrote: >>>>>>> "pmoran" <pmo...@bordernet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>> news:1164743505.300973.222040 >>>>>>> @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>> Mark, what gives? These are awful accusations and it smells of >>>>>>>> fakery [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>>>>>> charges not >>>>>>>> laid if these accusations were true? >>>>>>>> I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to >>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>> point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply >>>>>>>> demonstrated >>>>>>>> how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet. >>>>>>>> Can you withdraw it? >>>>>>> I have to agree. In particular, the lack of a specific >>>>>>> time-frame when the abuses were supposed to have occurred is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>>>>> to grind, would want to do everything possible to make his >>>>>>> allegations verifiable. >>>>>> "Your request has been sent to Google Groups support for review. >>>>>> You will be notified when the review has been completed. After >>>>>> reviewed, posts will typically be removed within 24 hours." >>>>>> From Google Groups. >>>>> Mark, >>>>> You have gone beyond what is reasonable in your posting of someone >>>>> else's (?) allegations. >>>> Hi Rod! >>>> If I am unreasonable for posting that, why have you remained silent >>>> on Ilena's and Jan's postings of Bolen's vileness? >>> Probably because in my view it may have been distorted and was hardly >>> worth thinking about. >> It came straight from the decision. >>>> However, I have made the effort to have it removed. Neither Jan or >>>> Ilena have done so. >>>>> I would accept this as being done in the same vein as Ilena has >>>>> done with Bolen's comments, however, you profess to have some legal >>>>> insight to such matters and one wonders about the ethical and moral >>>>> questions at issue here. With Barrett and Polevoy I have no >>>>> problems in that regard as clearly they are vexatious litigants of >>>>> the extreme. >>>> And the stalking and harassment of my family is somehow different? >>>> You seem never to have commented on Ilena's emailing my wife. I >>>> wonder why? >>>>> How would you feel if a similar post against your Character and >>>>> Standing was posted on the internet in the same vein that you have >>>>> conveyed same? >>>> Rod, have you been in a sensory deprivation room for the past eight >>>> years? That is exactly what has been done to me. >>> Mark, in takes two to create the anger that has arisen over the >>> years. You are not suggesting its been a one way street are you? >> Where would you get that idea? I have never claimed to be innocent. >> However, I am the only one who has consistently offered peace. Both >> women have steadfastly refused. >>>> > To boot, you then imply that this is mild in comparison to other >>>> > allegations you are in receipt of. >>>> While I do not recall making that implication, I consider it to be >>>> quite correct. What has been done to me has had real life impact on >>>> my family. I would mention it here, as I did to one of your >>>> countrymen in an email last night, but, Jan and Ilena would merely >>>> claim that it was deserved it, or they would say I was lying, etc. >>>> No point in providing them with fodder, right? >>> All parties seem to make hurtful comments from time to time. Agreed >>> you have tried for solutions and should continue to do so. Offering >>> good positive fodder is the way to go. >> Mentioning the injury to my family is not one of them. I would not >> want Jan and Ilena to enjoy it. >>>>> Poor form I would call it. Look, let me be clear, I could not give >>>>> a Rats Arse about the "you call me this and I will call you that" >>>>> which goes on here but to tender an unverifiable statement which is >>>>> meant to hurt and destroy a persons reputation or cause, all for >>>>> the sake of you being allowed to say what you want without >>>>> "Challenge" is the style of a "Jew Boy". >>>> No, bigot, it is the style of a person who will no longer suffer >>>> abuse, harassment and detriment to his family in silence. >>> Hardly gives cause to play the game to that extent. >> Not in my estimation. >>>>> Now that's sure to be a popular statement. >>>> No, it is an *expected* statement considering your lack of >>>> consistent ethics. >>>> Do get back to me when you develop a spine and an even hand. Until >>>> then, your opinions are nothing more to me that cleanse by-product. >>> OK so we have demonstrated that unkind words generally receive unkind >>> retaliation. >>> Fine, I withdraw my unkind remarks and offer my sincere apology and >>> hope that you will accept same. >>> Mark I am asking for forgiveness please. >>> Best wishes to you and your family. >> Under consideration. > Well if it is only under consideration, then I withdraw my apology as > why should I be subject to your considerations being the same you have > given to other people? ie: Offers of Unconditional Peace! > I note that you continue unabated with your claims and therefore unless > you withdraw same "unconditinionally" then one can reasonably assume > that you are in favour of defaming people in any manner that presents > itself. > Not nice stuff Mark and I would ask you to take the olive branch and > make your peace. I have been the peacemaker in this group. As best as I can recall, you have never been supportive of it. Your silence is quite telling. The recipients of my peace offerings have either out right rejected them, or mocked them. Neither have shown the slightest desire to have peace. I DO. Thus, the UDP: I'll be clear in this: Peace requires the cessation of hostilities on all sides. You have, in the past, made it perfectly clear that you will not abide by peace so long as I do not "confess" what you think is the truth. Simply put, I will return to the UDP with these rules: 1. I will not post to you or about you. 2. I will respond to topics of interest in any thread I so choose, deleting all references to you. It is beyond the powers of mortal man to delete what you say, simply because your cut and paste jobs are incomprehensible. However, I will do my best to avoid posting responses to your comments, errors may happen, since I am not perfect, and your cut and paste jobs are often incomprehensible. However, they are *error* and nothing more. 3. I expect nothing of you. If you want to continue to snipe at me, feel free to do so. It will only make you look like a rabid junk yard dog. 4, I will decide when to return to the UDP. I was a lot happier with it in place. It is as simple as that. UDP-renew ------ And Rod, it is that simple. The UDP is about my actions, and is unconditional toward others. If you want peace, show the ethics of Max and make an effort. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/cbee14ae05a83764 Dec 8 2006 "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:sWkeh.15$Z67.4@trndny02... > Ilena Rose wrote: >> It claimed that I was a "diagnosed psychotic" and many other libelous >> statements. > Even if it was known to be incorrect, it is not libelous to call anyone a > diagnosed psychotic. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/2c76941dfe... Leave me alone. Do not post to or about me. WOW! Take your own advice. H Y O P C R I T E! Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message > news:vfZah.18334$mM1.5367@trndny08... >> I received this email this morning. Since the sender used anonymous [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> Yes, you can post this to Usenet, or send it to her ISP, or whatever else >> you want to do with it. Hushmail will protect my identity. http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/116f193aca174841 Dec 8 2006 Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:qneeh.6743$H22.104@trndny09... > Albert Einstein said: > "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is > shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." Repeating yourself again.............. The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth. - HL Mencken > Traditional medicine + alternative medicine combined with sound > reasoning = integrative medicine.Using the best of all modalties. If alternative treatments are safe and effective, then they no longer are alternative. I have but one standard, proven to besafe and effective. If a treatment meets that standard, I consider it to be mainstream. > Some apparently cannot do this or have a hidden agenda not to even > try. And some have examined the alternative treatments and found them to be lacking in safety or effectiveness. > DCS is anEMTand is trained in winter rescue. I was a combat infantry > man, responsible for the safety of my buddies. I do not know David's > particulars, so I will not commenton them. > > Both DCS and I have had the responsibility to maintain life. EMT? Electro-Mechanical Technician? Winter Rescue? Does he capture it before Spring arrives? Combat infantryman --let's see that has got to be well over 40 years ago. Did you ever get your discharge papers yet? David? ---is this who Bolen calls Chris? . > It sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties > do. Just *WHO* are you calling an "altie?" Name names please. > . > > > It sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties > > do. > > Just *WHO* are you calling an "altie?" Name names please. Nobody in particular. I suspect most use integrative medicine but would prefer to use the least toxic approach to treating a condition. That is certainly my belief.We cannot throw away all of conventional medicine just because we know that many "alternative" practices work as well or better and can be safer. The people that I were referring to, like Probert, Sessions and Wright are quick to support mainstream medicine and just quick to shot down any alternative appraoach. In my opinion they are biased and cannot effectively give an intelligent objective opinon on the different forms of diagnosis and treatment.You see the same thing on Quackwatch. In my opinion it misleads the public. > > . > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > are quick to support mainstream medicine and just quick to shot down > any alternative appraoach. Provide proof of safety and effectiveness, and I will shoot anyone trying to shoot that down. > In my opinion they are biased Again, that marginalization. and cannot effectively give an > intelligent objective opinon on the different forms of diagnosis and > treatment.You see the same thing on Quackwatch. > In my opinion it misleads the public. When you mention Quackwatch, do you not think it would be intellectually honest of you to also post your personal connection? Researchers are now all posting their conflicts. > . > > > It sure does beat playing psychiatric patient like some of the alties > > do. > > Just *WHO* are you calling an "altie?" Name names please. You should be able to figure that out for yourself. > >Bee: Just *WHO* are you calling an "altie?" Name names please. > > Probert: You should be able to figure that out for yourself. I can not. Please enlighten me. > > >Bee: Just *WHO* are you calling an "altie?" Name names please. > > > Probert: You should be able to figure that out for yourself. > > I can not. Please enlighten me. It is the people who constantly post anti-conventional polemics. On Mar 15, 12:50 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@ya |
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