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rpautrey2 - 05 Mar 2008 01:12 GMT
Article Link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23341360/

Who foots the bill for medical mistakes?

11 states waive fees for worst mistakes, but most will charge you or
insurer
By JoNel Aleccia
Health writer
updated 7:26 a.m. CT,
Fri., Feb. 29, 2008

When Kevin Baccam of Urbandale, Iowa, went in for hernia surgery in
August 2005, he expected to come home with a scar on the right side of
his groin.

But the 33-year-old school district controller actually wound up with
two scars in the delicate region -- one on each side -- after the
surgeon mistakenly operated on the left and had to start over.

Nearly as painful, Baccam said, was when he opened his mail a few
weeks later and saw his health insurance had been billed for both
operations.

"I'm not really a very litigious person," Baccam said. "But that's
when I got a little more angry."

Baccam's going to court now, records show, suing Dr. Frederick S. Nuss
and The Iowa Clinic, who declined to comment on the pending lawsuit.
It's the principle of the thing, said Baccam, who's hoping for a
settlement.

But if the mistake had occurred at a different time, or in a different
state, Baccam might not have been billed at all.

Spurred by federal and industry moves to cut payments for avoidable
mistakes, hospitals across the country have joined a growing movement
not to charge patients or their insurers for serious, preventable
errors.

Since last fall, hospitals in 11 states have agreed to waive fees for
certain rare errors dubbed "never events" because safety experts say
they should never happen at all.

The National Quality Forum (NQF), a health care safety advocacy
agency, has identified 28 such events ranging from giving a mother the
wrong baby to leaving objects behind after surgery.

The list includes so-called "wrong-site" procedures, in which doctors
operate on the wrong body part, the wrong place and, in some cases,
the wrong person. There are 1,300 to 2,700 wrong-site procedures
performed in the U.S. each year, according to a 2006 study in the
Archives of Surgery.

39 states may still bill
Still, that leaves 39 states -- including Iowa -- where patients can
expect that they, or their insurance providers, still may be billed
for errors that one association leader called "no-brainers."

"There's no denying it if you've done surgery on the wrong person or
the wrong body part. That's black and white," said Joseph M.
Letnaunchyn, who heads the West Virginia Hospital Association.

Letnaunchyn expects his agency on March 6 to join the parade of states
adopting voluntary no-payment policies. West Virginia's plan would
cover eight of the most serious NQF errors, and include guidelines to
help decide whether to pay for other mistakes, he said.

Only four states have agreed to waive fees for all "never events."
Other states have agreed not to charge for eight, nine or 10 mistakes,
or created their own lists based on NQF standards. In Delaware and
Massachusetts, for instance, the short list of non-billable errors
includes artificial insemination with the wrong donor sperm or donor
egg. Pennsylvania's list adds "unexpected removal of an organ" and
"unexpected amputation of a limb."

Update, Feb. 29: Indiana Hospital Association officials now say they
have adopted a no-payment policy that urges hospitals to waive fees
for 12 errors. Previously, they said they'd developed guidelines and
shared them with hospitals for adoption.

While it's not clear how many patients are charged for hospital
errors, the federal government has an idea. In 2006, Medicare was
billed 764 times for objects left behind after surgery, resulting in
an average payment of nearly $62,000 per event. The agency was billed
33 times for patients who got the wrong blood, at an average cost of
$46,000 apiece, and nearly 323,000 times for the worst kind of
pressure ulcers, a preventable problem, at a cost of $40,381
apiece.

'For God's sake, don't pay it'
Not charging for the egregious errors is the least that hospitals can
do, said Patty Canakaris, 62, of St. Augustine, Fla. Her 67-year-old
brother, Blake Oliver, died in December after receiving the wrong type
of blood during a simple surgery at Bert Fish Medical Center in New
Smyrna Beach, Fla.

Hospital officials admitted a technician mistakenly tested Oliver's
roommate before the surgery and then supplied blood based on the wrong
man's type. Even worse, the estate of Oliver, a retired airline pilot
and classic car buff, was billed for part of the operation, Canakaris
said.

"I said, 'For God's sake, don't pay it. Let them turn blue,'"
Canakaris said. "I think it's unconscionable for a hospital or a
physician to expect remuneration for this type of an outcome."

Though it seems like a simple, compassionate stance, not charging for
hospital mistakes is not as easy as it appears, some hospital
representatives said.

Defining what constitutes a mistake, whether it was preventable, and
who's responsible requires reviewing a labyrinth of actions and
reactions, noted Debby Rogers, vice president of quality and emergency
services for the California Hospital Association. That state has
endorsed voluntary guidelines for non-payment, but still allows
hospitals to evaluate errors on a case-by-case basis.

"If we're supposed to cut off the right leg and we cut off the left
leg, that's pretty clear cut," she said.

But if a surgeon operates on a person's third cervical vertebrae
instead of the fourth, and the hospital staff prepared the correct
site, who should pay? "Is that the hospital's fault?" Rogers asked.

Doctors and administrators worry that if hospitals waive fees for
errors, they'll be admitting liability that could hurt them in court.

Medicare decision sparks change
Health association officials acknowledge they've been spurred to
action by federal Medicare officials and a few large insurance
companies who have moved recently to improve patient safety and cut
health costs by refusing to pay for hospital errors.

Starting in October, Medicare will no longer pay the extra costs of
treating patients who develop eight serious, preventable conditions
after they've been hospitalized. The much-debated list includes falls
from bed, cathers-associated urinary tract infections and pressure
ulcers. The nation's largest insurers, including Aetna Inc. and
WellPoint Inc. are moving toward similar policies.

In South Carolina, BlueCross BlueShield officials negotiated a
voluntary deal with state hospital association members not to charge
the insurance company for 10 preventable errors. Everyone else will
still be billed, acknowledged Dr. Rick Foster, senior vice president
for quality and patient safety.

He said he's looking forward to creation of a national, universal
standard that patients, providers and insurers can share.

"The goal is to have these guidelines in every state, not having three
or four different standards," he said.

Like Foster, many hospital representatives across the country say
they've long waived fees for errors on a case-by-case basis and that
they've been considering adopting uniform non-payment policies for
months, even years.

'It's just the right thing to do'
"It's not peer pressure, it's doing what's right for the patient,"
said Danny Chun, a spokesman for the Illinois Hospital Association,
which has formed a task force to consider non-payment policies.

"It's just the right thing to do," agreed Wayne Smith, president and
chief executive of the Delaware Healthcare Association, which
announced a no-payment plan Feb. 13. "We thought we'd be more
proactive about it."

But consumer and patient advocates say they're skeptical of the sudden
altruism. They say they've argued for years -- to no avail -- that
hospitals shouldn't charge for egregious errors, only to see fragile
patients wind up facing staggering bills or high court costs to fight
them.

"I've been talking about this since 2003. What's taken them so long?"
said Nora Johnson, director of education and compliance for Medical
Billing Advocates of America, which helps mostly uninsured and under-
insured patients with billing problems.

Although there's a perception that most injured patients sue to
recover damages, many lack the skills or resources to go to court, and
many others are rejected when malpractice lawyers won't accept their
cases, Johnson said.

It's no coincidence that states are rushing to adopt no-payment
policies now, only months after federal officials announced the
Medicare reimbursement changes, said Lisa McGiffert, manager of the
Stop Hospital Infections program run by Consumers Union, a nonprofit
patient advocacy group.

"I think the most important thing is money talks and it's a powerful
incentive for change, and that's what the goal is," McGiffert said.

Many hospitals have pledged publicly to waive fees for errors even in
the absence of state policies. Since 2006, about half of some 1,300
hospitals enrolled with The Leapfrog Group, a voluntary health care
safety agency, said they wouldn't bill for "never events," spokeswoman
Kat Song said.

That includes Northwest Community Hospital in Arlington Heights, Ill.,
where president and chief executive Bruce Crowther said hospitals are
moving in the right direction toward transparency. Punitive measures
such as withholding funding are not likely to be effective, he said.

"I don't know that we'd work any harder or faster than we do now," he
said.

Last summer, the American Hospital Association urged its members to
develop voluntary guidelines for nonpayment, noted Nancy Foster, the
agency's vice president for quality and safety policy.

"When think that when such an event occurs, when it's preventable and
when it's in the control of the hospital and it clearly was a mistake,
hospitals should not be expecting to receive payment to treat the
problems," she said.

Improving safety is the goal, said Andy Davidson, president and chief
executive of the Oregon Hospital Association. Last week, the agency
joined neighboring Washington in announcing its hospitals would no
longer charge for any of the 28 errors included on the NQF list.

"At the end of the day, this is really a path toward accountability on
a lot of fronts," he said. "This is about hospitals regaining that
position of being a trusted community asset."

If errors are so rare, why charge?
Consumers should keep in mind that preventable, serious errors are
very rare, accounting for about .02 percent to .03 percent of all
hospital admissions, Davidson and officials across the country said.
In Washington state in 2007, for instance, that meant there were 193
adverse events out of 630,000 admissions.

That very scarcity ought to prompt doctors, hospitals and other
providers to make sure that patients injured by mistakes aren't
charged for the ordeal, said Kevin Baccam.

"He billed me for both surgeries," Baccam said, still incredulous at
the thought. "If I would not have reviewed my insurance bill, I would
not have caught it."

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Roman Bystrianyk - 05 Mar 2008 01:42 GMT
> Article Link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23341360/
>
> Who foots the bill for medical mistakes?

I can tell you from personal experience we sometimes all pay.  My
father went in for a routine endoscopy and when he got home he started
coughing up blood and aspirated.  He ended up in the hospital for a
number of days where he almost died.  He slowly made it out of the
woods.  The doctor who botched the procedure came into to visit him
and told my dad he had "bad luck".  No apology and no acceptance of
any responsibility.  No lawyer was interested because my dad lived so
it wasn't worth their time and no one was really all that interested
in the hospital or anywhere else.  My dad got the bill which
fortunately for my dad Medicare paid for most of it.  So in the end we
all paid thousands of dollars and since there isn't a system to take
care of this and investigate this doctor who maybe creating more "bad
luck" for other patients.  It maybe that it was his only mistake - but
it maybe that he is incompetent - I assume until someone dies there
night be a possible investigation.
rpautrey2 - 05 Mar 2008 01:50 GMT
Roman: I have come to a similar decision.
We all pay, in numerous ways. Paul

> > Article Link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23341360/
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> it maybe that he is incompetent - I assume until someone dies there
> night be a possible investigation.
drceephd@insightbb.com - 05 Mar 2008 03:33 GMT
> Roman: I have come to a similar decision.
> We all pay, in numerous ways. Paul

All this is apalling to me.  I lost my mother due to medical
incompetence.  What I did learn is that if you choose to sue a doctor
for his negligence you have to have a lawyer willing to sue for you
and another doctor to testify against the negligent doctor.  In
addition, you may not have to pay your lawyer up front, just his
"expenses" but you can be required to pay for the lawyers for the
doctor that you are suing.  Isn't that a hoot?

Why is it that medical doctors are such a privledged class?  Why can
they cut, burn, maim , mutilate,  murder and kill and no one seems to
really care?  If my car mechanic was as inept, he would be out of
business or in jail.

Just how did the docs gain all this "immunity"?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.
David Wright - 05 Mar 2008 05:42 GMT
>> Roman: I have come to a similar decision.
>> We all pay, in numerous ways. Paul
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>
>Just how did the docs gain all this "immunity"?

Aww, Cee, you're so cute when you're jealous.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
                                                       -- Bill Maher
rpautrey2 - 05 Mar 2008 05:44 GMT
DW: You're a jerk! PA

> In article <9d2d1292-ca9f-4a41-b3a4-ae8c5d901...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
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David Wright - 06 Mar 2008 02:04 GMT
>DW: You're a jerk! PA

And Cee isn't?  

Who asked for your opinion, anyway?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
                                                       -- Bill Maher

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>> Aww, Cee, you're so cute when you're jealous.
Bee - 06 Mar 2008 05:32 GMT
> >DW: You're a jerk! PA
>
> David: And Cee isn't?  
>
> David:Who asked for your opinion, anyway?

Its USENET, David, get over your self......
Citizen Jimserac - 05 Mar 2008 12:05 GMT
On Mar 4, 10:33 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:

> > Roman: I have come to a similar decision.
> > We all pay, in numerous ways. Paul
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> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.

Because for years the AMA forged POLITICAL connections
with federal and state governments.

The first to SMASH that monopoly was the Chiropractors,
who had to go all the way through to the Supreme Court.
Later the emergence of other alternative medicine
systems and the RE-emergence of Homeopathy
added impetus to the movement against this monopoly.

The Flexner report, which forbade the teaching of alternative medicine
concepts in med schools by BUNDLING all of it
under the rubrick of "unsound" is now being seriously
questioned by the M.D.s themselves as they lose
thousands of patients each year to alternative practitioners.

The passage of FREEDOM OF CHOICE laws in several states,
including California, Rhode Island, Nevada, Florida
and other states, now allows primary care physicians
that are trained in alternative medicine practice
and are not M.D.'s and this trend will accelerate.

Citizen Jimserac
Richard Schultz - 05 Mar 2008 13:14 GMT
: Because for years the AMA forged POLITICAL connections
: with federal and state governments.

When the "Dietary Supplement" industry made a $140,000 contribution to
Senator Orrin Hatch, who just happened to be the sponsor of a bill that
removed from the FDA the right to regulate dietary supplments, do you think
that they were doing something other than forging a political connection with
the federal government?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Citizen Jimserac - 07 Mar 2008 11:56 GMT
> In article <6d9f3ac9-e09b-4c5c-ace3-31284f062...@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> that they were doing something other than forging a political connection with
> the federal government?

The allowance of monopolization of a single
system of medicine, self appointed to be the
one true medicine and solver of all our
health problems has been exposed, over
the last several decades to be a fraud
and a disservice to the people of the
United States.

I will reiterate, that alternative systems of medicine
in one case found it necessary to fight all the way to the
Supreme Court in order to retain the right to practice.

I will reiterate that in my country, several states
have passed freedom of choice laws allowing the
licensing of alternative medicine primary care
physicians.

I don't know how things are done in your
country but I believe you will agree that the
expenditure of private money to obtain
monopolies is wrong and serves special
interests rather than the citizens in general.

Thanks
Citizen Jimserac
 
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