Here is the Proof AGAIN showing both Marcia and Mark S Probert are repeated Proven Liars

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Jan Drew - 03 Mar 2008 23:42 GMT

Here is proof both you and Mark S Probert lied.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b334c5012...

Feb 29, 2:44 am

"Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> > Those were all dated 2005, Jan. The UDP started July 4, 2006.

Who wrote that, Mark?

> That is a claim. Now...prove it!-

Who wrote that, Mark?

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I have offered Jan and Ilena to end this war on more than one
occasion.
Neither have accepted.

Jan has clearly said:

The peace must come from you. Your LIES and postings with FAKE names
show you are DESPICABLE.

[Happy anniversary to me. Then you post as Freddie. It was NOT your
wife who e-mailed me. It was YOU]

You have repeatedly LIED. Your so-called *peace offer* was also FAKE.
Posted for the sole reason, you wanted the websites which are a
result
of your behavior and LIES...to disappear.

If YOU want peace. STOP LYING. Stop accusing others of what YOU
yourself are guilty of. Change your despicable behavior. Sadly this
behavior IS why you were disbarred. STOP these newsgroups for your
insane need to argue.

------------

Clearly, with Jan's standard of accusing and anyone with whom she
disagrees of lying, since she does not understand what a lie it, it
would be impossible for me to "stop lying" unless I either 1) stopped
posting and/or 2) merely posted, "Yes Jan, you are correct."

Neither is going to happen.

Further, Ilena has flatly refused refused to even consider peace. In
fact, she has demonstrated that she will continue her relentless
attacks
even when she gets her answers. Thus, with her, there is no peace.

The ONLY solution to this is to impose a modified (modified in the
sense
that it is not done with software or for spamming) Usenet Death
Penalty.
They are Usenet polluters, polluting Usenet with their bile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

where no one, under any circumstances, respond to any of their
messages,
for any reason. If they post something that needs to be refuted,
commencing a new thread without reference to them, would be proper.

If everyone signs on to this, they will be left like a junk yard dog,
barking at passing cars that do not care about them.

OOPS, the above 2 lines were not there.

To be truly effective, everyone should either explicitly or
implicitly
sign on to this.

Thus, as of tomorrow, the 230th Anniversary of the Declaration of
Independence, Ilena Rosenthal and Jan Drew are subject to

Usenet Death Penalty.

May they Rest in Perfidy.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e62f683...

From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:27:50 GMT
Local: Fri, Nov 24 2006 8:27 pm

Jan Drew wrote:

From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:54:28 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 1 2006 8:54 pm

You just do not know when to quit. I will renew the UDP when I see fit.

Not a moment sooner.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d0857c2fd8...

Dec 3 2006

I have been the peacemaker in this group. As best as I can recall, you
have never been supportive of it. Your silence is quite telling.

The recipients of my peace offerings have either out right rejected
them, or mocked them. Neither have shown the slightest desire to have
peace.

I DO. Thus, the UDP:

I'll be clear in this:

Peace requires the cessation of hostilities on all sides. You have, in
the past, made it perfectly clear that you will not abide by peace so
long as I do not "confess" what you think is the truth.

Simply put, I will return to the UDP with these rules:

1. I will not post to you or about you.

2. I will respond to topics of interest in any thread I so choose,
deleting all references to you. It is beyond the powers of mortal man to
delete what you say, simply because your cut and paste jobs are
incomprehensible. However, I will do my best to avoid posting responses
to your comments, errors may happen, since I am not perfect, and your
cut and paste jobs are often incomprehensible. However, they are *error*
and nothing more.

3. I expect nothing of you. If you want to continue to snipe at me, feel
free to do so. It will only make you look like a rabid junk yard dog.

4, I will decide when to return to the UDP. I was a lot happier with it
in place.

It is as simple as that.

UDP-renew

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/438551b90a...

Nov 29 2006

Jan Drew wrote:

> "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:583bh.9352$IW2.3268@trndny03...
>> Eric Bohlman wrote:
>>> "pmoran" <pmo...@bordernet.com.au> wrote in
>>> news:1164743505.300973.222040
>>> @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>>> Mark, what gives? These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
>>>> .
>>>> It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
>>>> the child care centre was closed down. Why were criminal charges not
>>>> laid if these accusations were true?
>>>> I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
>>>> point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
>>>> how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.
>>>> Can you withdraw it?
>>> I have to agree. In particular, the lack of a specific time-frame when
>>> the abuses were supposed to have occurred is pretty suspicious; it
>>> gratuitously increases the difficulty in verifying the allegations.
>>> Someone who had really experienced an injustice, rather than someone
>>> with
>>> a potentially malicious axe to grind, would want to do everything
>>> possible to make his allegations verifiable.
>> "Your request has been sent to Google Groups support for review. You will
>> be notified when the review has been completed. After reviewed, posts
>> will
>> typically be removed within 24 hours."
>> From Google Groups.
> Poor Mark. Google groups are not investigators.

Do go and look it up.

GoogleGroups manages requests to remove.

You just cannot help yourself.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a12a33f2d8...

Nov 30 2006

Coleah wrote:

> I don't get it.

Jan is trying to imply that I initiated the email from Jack Reid. I
posted it in mha, not in all the groups she has crossposted this message
to.

Jan is, of course, wrong. Nothing she posted shows it came from me. The
mere fact that there is a NYC address in the list is meaningless.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/b5294863e3...

Nov 29 2006

>>> Can you withdraw it?
>> Already initiated a request to do so.
>> Just to make my point, the gloves are off.
> That. what I thought. Because you know it was faked by you.
> Or--you got one of your buddies to sent it.

I tried for days, weeks, months and years to end the war. All I received
was this crap from you.

Nothing was faked. You continued your harassment in spite of my efforts.
NO ONE is claiming that I did not try, not even your altie buddies.

You lost on that point a long time ago.

> Poor Mark fails again.

Leave me alone. Do not post to or about me. Do not take this lightly.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/2c76941dfe...

Nov 29 2006

Jan Drew wrote:

> "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:vfZah.18334$mM1.5367@trndny08...
>> I received this email this morning. Since the sender used anonymous
>> email,
>> I have no way of verifying it or knowing whether it is true or not. I
>> post
>> the full header for reference.
> LOL!
>> ---------begin quoted material--------
>> Delivered-To: mark.prob...@gmail.com
>> Received: by 10.66.239.8 with SMTP id m8cs80233ugh;
>> Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:53 -0800 (PST)
>> Received: by 10.90.119.15 with SMTP id r15mr923548agc.1164730133350;
>> Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:53 -0800 (PST)
>> Return-Path: <jackr...@hushmail.com>
>> Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135])
>> by mx.google.com with ESMTP id
>> f12si25098590qba.2006.11.28.08.08.52;
>> Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:53 -0800 (PST)
>> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jackr...@hushmail.com
>> designates
>> 65.39.178.135 as permitted sender)
>> Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hushmail.com [127.0.0.1])
>> by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4229BA327A
>> for <mark.prob...@gmail.com>; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:39 -0800 (PST)
>> Received: from mailserver8.hushmail.com (mailserver8.hushmail.com
>> [65.39.178.61])
>> by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP
>> for <mark.prob...@gmail.com>; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:38 -0800 (PST)
>> Received: by mailserver8.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 65534)
>> id 3E378DA84A; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:08:38 -0800 (PST)
>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:08:37 -0500
>> To: "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: Jan Drew
>> From: <jackr...@hushmail.com>
>> Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> Message-Id: <20061128160838.3E378DA...@mailserver8.hushmail.com>
> To: 20061128160838.3E378DA...@mailserver8.hushmail.com
>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:03:56 -0500 Mark Probert
>> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/28/06, jackr...@hushmail.com <jackr...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear Mr. Probert:
>>>> You do not know me, but I live in Indiana. I am writing to you,
>>>> since you are being attacked by Jan Drew. I know you will
>>>> understand.
>>>> Years ago my parents placed me in a child care center run by Jan
>>>> Drew. It was a nightmare.
>>>> I was physically and verbally abused by her and other people
>>> there.
>>>> When I did not immediately do what they wanted, I was punished.
>>>> Sometimes I was made to stay in a dark closet, other times I was
>>>> not allowed to eat or go to the bathroom. I soiled myself
>>> several
>>>> times and was punished, again, for that.
>>>> The worst part were the spankings with a big paddle They would
>>> make
>>>> me take my pants down and hit my rear with this. Some people
>>> seemed
>>>> to enjoy watching this. On several occasions, someone would
>>> touch
>>>> me, you know where.
>>>> They told me not to tell anyone, or they would report my parents
>>>> for child abuse and have me taken from my home. I was scared to
>>>> death this would happen and stayed silent.
>>>> Finally, after years of this abuse, I told my parents what was
>>>> happening, and they filed a complaint with the State of Indiana.
>>>> The State investigated and closed her down.
> LOL! Fact: I sold the daycare center.
>>>> Even to this day, I am still afraid of her, and what she can do
>>> to
>>>> me. She is a mean, hurtful person who should never have been
>>>> allowed to be near children.
>>>> Jack
> LOL! This is complete untrue and made up by Mark Probert.
>>> Dear Jack:
>>> I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. Can I post your
>>> email to
>>> Usenet if I do not display your email address?
>>> Mark Probert
>> Dear Mr. Probert:
>> Yes, you can post this to Usenet, or send it to her ISP, or
>> whatever else you want to do with it. Hushmail will protect my
>> identity.
> Wonders of wonders. Send it, Markey.
> They need a good laugh.
> BTW, I have never received anything from my ISP, like you said.
> *You have now acknowledged receipt of a proper warning, as required by
> your ISP.*

You misunderstood. My post was the proper warning. You acknowledged
receiving it.

Leave me alone. Do not post to or about me.

>> She is a very bad person, and I still have nightmares from what she
>> did to me.
>> Good luck, and I hope you find peace.
>> Jack Reid

Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message

Nov 30 2006

> However, I am the only one who has consistently offered peace. Both women
> have steadfastly refused.

I, Jan Drew wrote:

Here is his peace offering, and just one where he says no conditions.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/c74c400...

I will, as of this posting, Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM EST,
unconditionally cease and desist from posting to Ilena, about Ilena or in
response to Ilena.

I hope that you, who have been a supporter of hers, will now move and
directly ask her to do the same thing. Further, if she ceases her actions
towards me, I will render the posts in the Fan Club unreadable. If she
removes any and all webpages regarding me and/or my family, the Fan Club
will cease to exist.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/441b7e9e3...

That is real. I offered you and Ilena a mutual cease fire, no
conditions, and you and she slapped the same condition on it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Want more, Markey. I got um!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
Probert.

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marcia - 04 Mar 2008 00:00 GMT

> Here is proof both you and Mark S Probert lied.
>
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> Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
> Probert.

YOU posted messages from 2005, to which I responded the UDP had begun
on July 4, 2006. You demanded proof. Knowing your extensive file
collection, I declined to go searching for the message. Mark posted a
copy of the UDP, dated July 2006. I think that means we both told the
truth.

Jan, you are attempting to be way too controlling and demanding. Give
it a rest.

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Jan Drew - 04 Mar 2008 03:43 GMT

>> Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
>> Probert.
>
> YOU posted messages from 2005,

Wrong.

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:43:16 -0400
Local: Thurs, Apr 27 2006 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: WARNING: Is Jan Drew ashamed of her behavior????

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marcia - 04 Mar 2008 05:09 GMT

> >> Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
> >> Probert.
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> Local: Thurs, Apr 27 2006 8:43 pm
> Subject: Re: WARNING: Is Jan Drew ashamed of her behavior????

Not today. Last week.

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Jan Drew - 06 Mar 2008 05:05 GMT

Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>> Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
>>> Probert.
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>
> Not today. Last week.

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Jan Drew - 07 Mar 2008 06:10 GMT

>> >> Now Marcia, your lying is between you and God. Same goes for Mark S
>> >> Probert.
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>
> Not today. Last week.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/bc865f216c6a44fc

Feb 27 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b334c50121a26d79

Feb 29 2008

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