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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008NO EVIDENCE OF HARM
I just saw that Dr. K has several times asked disbarred attorney Mark Probert this same important question. "Mr. Probert. I will ask the question again. Do you think that it is wise to inject mercury, a highly neurotoxic substance, into children?" Because I have years of experience as Probert's "mark" I'd like to share this info with Dr. K. 1) When the Supreme Court of NY was in the process of disbarring Probert in the early 90's ... he refused to answer their questions also. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm#Mark-Probert 2) Probert's lies for the vaccine pushers have been going on for years. He had the audacity to claim that no one was allergic to mercury. http://humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html Denying his disbarment is just one of the many, many, many lies that Probert spreads throughout the Internet, while advertising the propaganda of Stephen Joel Barrett's, Healthfraud and Quackwatch Groups. Here is Probert lying about mercury on March 14, 2005. Typical Snake oil propaganda. "Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. " As part of the Disinformation Campaign put out by the vast dental industry denying the dangers of mercury and amalgam, Probert parroted this lie. There is an enormous amount of information available as to the subset of individuals who show a strong allergic reaction to mercury. Here is but a small sampling. http://www.cfsn.com/melisa.html Systemically induced allergic exanthem from mercury. Allergy Unit, Department of Dermatology, University Hospital, Basel, Switzerland. Recovery from mercury-induced burning mouth syndrome due to mercury allergy. Department of Dermatological Sciences, University of Milan, Ospedale Maggiore-IRCCS, Milan, Italy. > I just saw that Dr. K has several times asked disbarred attorney Mark > Probert this same important question. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Department of Dermatological Sciences, University of Milan, Ospedale > Maggiore-IRCCS, Milan, Italy. Nobody will answer this simple question and instead resort to insults and diversion. On Mar 2, 2:38 pm, drkul...@optonline.net wrote: > > I just saw that Dr. K has several times asked disbarred attorney Mark > > Probert this same important question. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Nobody will answer this simple question and instead resort to insults > and diversion. It was the same in my attempt to rationally discuss experiments which MIGHT (I repeat, MIGHT) provide an answer to the mechanism of Homeopathy. Once caught in one of their logical fallacies, they present all sorts of clever squirmings, counter accusations and ad hominmens, changes of subject and other typical divertimenti. I suggest that WE simply ignore those posters. Ilena Rose has given a most definitive and INFORMATIVE statement. Citizen Jimserac > It was the same in my attempt to rationally > discuss experiments which MIGHT > (I repeat, MIGHT) provide an answer to the > mechanism of Homeopathy. That's kind of like investigating the thermodynamics of Hell -- it presumes something not in evidence. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <eedf3745-7d6e-462a-80ab-0b5d2aab1...@28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com>, Citizen Jimserac wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's kind of like investigating the thermodynamics of > Hell -- it presumes something not in evidence. I can accept an objection of that kind anytime. It is perfectly a perfectly valid kind of objection though I do not agree with the analogy. It is the illogical and presumptive a priori dismissal, without ANY consideration given to the years of research of perfectly qualified researchers, many of them M.D.'s and Phd's as well as Homeopaths or Homeopathic researchers that I cannot accept. Let it finally be admitted, no matter if theoretically sound, operative by known or unknown modus operandi or unsound, the MERE EXISTENCE OF HOMEOPATHY itself represents a GRAVE THREAT to established medicine and its remedies for the SUPPRESSION of symptoms and where the only true supposed cure is to REMOVE SOMETHING. THAT is really the basis of all the unreasoning hysteria and it is poetic justice that the greater the hysteria, the greater the curiosity of the lay public and the greater the interest in Homeopathy. When standard medicine learns to TOLERATE alternative ideas and to calmly and rationally investigate, cooperate with research, praise successes and extract and use discoveries of value, then we will have entered a new era of fully INTEGRATIVE Medicine to the benefit of all. What the anti-Homeopaths don't realize is that we have already entered this era. Their nostalgia for the days when "one ring" ruled them all and their inability to perceive fundamental and decisive paradigm shifts in this era of Internet and liberated information dooms them to the desperation they now show. Citizen JImserac On Mar 2, 2:38 pm, drkul...@optonline.net wrote: > > I just saw that Dr. K has several times asked disbarred attorney Mark > > Probert this same important question. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Nobody will answer this simple question and instead resort to insults > and diversion It was answered by me, the first time you asked it, and YOU RESPONDED TO THAT POST. > I just saw that Dr. K Like I said, I answered it, but he missed it. Now, let's not get too personal. Dr. K has his own problems with the NYS Department of Education. However, I won't go down that road, assuming that he does not. You, of course, are free to be a troublemaker, as you wont to do. > > I just saw that Dr. K > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You, of course, are free to be a troublemaker, as you wont to do. And, after a long day...off to bed. I'll give the good doctor his deatiled answer in the morning, and pose a few questions of my own. >> > I just saw that Dr. K >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And, after a long day...off to bed. I'll give the good doctor his > deatiled answer in the morning, and pose a few questions of my own. What happened to *March Madness*, Marko?? > > I just saw that Dr. K > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You, of course, are free to be a troublemaker, as you wont to do. You just did and of course I expected it. My story with the NYS Education Department is quite interesting. But it is not unlike others who have spoken out about certain issues. It is interesting that my treatment of the patient in question was correct. This was eventually admitted by the NYS Education department. The board reversed their initial claims after certain events were revealed to me by the NYS attorney on my case. Not much else to say except the expense at fighting any action is astronomical and all is not what it appears to be in the disciplinary process and resultant actions. You could not stick to the issue at hand. That is one reason that these forums are in many ways counter productive and a waste of time. Cheers On Mar 3, 8:16 am, drkul...@optonline.net wrote: > > > I just saw that Dr. K > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You just did and of course I expected it. Ms. Rosenthal spends an incredible amount of time Googling those with whom she disagrees. Once she finds her "dirt" she repeats it ad infinitum, and never substantively responds to any query. I mentioned it to put her on notice that Ido not tke crap like that. She knows it, but ignores it. Let's skip that, and discuss substance. Not interested in your story. > You could not stick to the issue at hand. That is one reason that > these forums are in many ways counter productive and a waste of time. Like I said, not interested. Let's discuss substance, like the miniscule amount of ethyl mercury that was removed from vaccines. On Mar 3, 8:16 am, drkul...@optonline.net wrote: > On Mar 2, 10:50 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You just did and of course I expected it. MP Ms. Rosenthal spends an incredible amount of time Googling those with whom she disagrees. Once she finds her "dirt" she repeats it ad infinitum, and never substantively responds to any query. I mentioned it to put her on notice that Ido not tke crap like that. She knows it, but ignores it. Poor Mark. UDP is ON. Proving himself to be a liar. Hello, Marcia! I just saw that Dr. K has several times asked disbarred attorney Mark Probert this same important question. "Mr. Probert. I will ask the question again. Do you think that it is wise to inject mercury, a highly neurotoxic substance, into children?" Because I have years of experience as Probert's "mark" I'd like to share this info with Dr. K. 1) When the Supreme Court of NY was in the process of disbarring Probert in the early 90's ... he refused to answer their questions also. www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm#Mark-Probert 2) Probert's lies for the vaccine pushers have been going on for years. He had the audacity to claim that no one was allergic to mercury. http://humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html Denying his disbarment is just one of the many, many, many lies that Probert spreads throughout the Internet, while advertising the propaganda of Stephen Joel Barrett's, Healthfraud and Quackwatch Groups. Here is Probert lying about mercury on March 14, 2005. Typical Snake oil propaganda. "Remember, you cannot have an allergic reaction to Mercury. " As part of the Disinformation Campaign put out by the vast dental industry denying the dangers of mercury and amalgam, Probert parroted this lie. There is an enormous amount of information available as to the subset of individuals who show a strong allergic reaction to mercury. Here is but a small sampling. http://www.cfsn.com/melisa.html Systemically induced allergic exanthem from mercury. Allergy Unit, Department of Dermatology, University Hospital, Basel, Switzerland. Recovery from mercury-induced burning mouth syndrome due to mercury allergy. Department of Dermatological Sciences, University of Milan, Ospedale Maggiore-IRCCS, Milan, Italy. >> I just saw that Dr. K > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You, of course, are free to be a troublemaker, as you wont to do. "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:8V6ch.1418$H22.672@trndny09... Fri, Dec 1 2006 10:56 pm >I am restoring the UDP with the rules that I posted today. > Jan, go look like a junk yard dog. Jan Drew wrote: Fri, Dec 1 2006 10:26 pm "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:o15ch.40$ne3.21@trndny03... Fri, Dec 1 2206 8:54 PM UDP-renew Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:fp5ch.32$QD3.26@trndny01... >Jan Drew wrote: Fri, Dec 2006 9:19 PM "Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:x95ch.43$Gp2.25@trndny06... Fri, Dec 2006 9:03 PM >Jan Drew wrote: Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message news:ms5ch.33$QD3.16@trndny01... Fri. Dec 2006 9:23 PM http://ilenarose.blogspt.com Health Lover Regarding one of the Vaccination Lies being spread wide and far that all mercury was removed from vaccinations in 2001 ... David Kirby addresses that myth. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/imus-in-the-morning-this_b_89775.html DAVID: They stopped making mercury containing vaccines right around the end of 2001 Now, this stuff goes and gets shipped into warehouses. Then it gets into the pipeline, that's when the expiration date is placed on it, the day it leaves the warehouse. They stocked up on mercury containing vaccines as they were transitioning into the mercury free formula. For those years, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and I'm quite certain into 2004, a lot of this stuff was still sitting on shelves. In the meantime, we started giving the flu shot to pregnant women and infant children, which still contains the full amount of mercury. We never hit zero, and now we're back up. > http://ilenarose.blogspt.com > Health Lover > > Regarding one of the Vaccination Lies being spread wide and far that > all mercury was removed from vaccinations in 2001 ... David Kirby > addresses that myth. Kirby has been wrong on every other point, why should anyone believe him on this? Dr. Novella conclusively proved howwrong Kirby was. > Kirby has been wrong on every other point, why should anyone believe > him on this? > > Dr. Novella conclusively proved howwrong Kirby was. Did you forget why the term, "Mad Hatters" was coined? http://ca.encarta.msn.com/column_sciencemercury/of_mercury_and_mad_hatters.html I did some research on Dr. Novella, seems Dr. Novella is connected to the "science world," through Quackwatch. I remember getting into a discussion with you that you didn't get your information from Quackwatch when we were discussing the Texas Medical Board case with AAPS, that you used Sciencemag.org. It flip flops with you---are there two Mark Proberts that post here? > Did you forget why the term, "Mad Hatters" was coined? > http://ca.encarta.msn.com/column_sciencemercury/of_mercury_and_mad_hatters.html Which suggests that you shouldn't work 60 hours a week with your bare hands in mercury salt solutions. Radical, that. OK, so maybe the point is that if it's deadly in large doses you should avoid miniscule ones as well. While you're avoiding deadly heavy metals, what are you doing about the heavy metal that is the #1 cause of lethal heavy metal toxicity in the United States? | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <f6e4b512-8076-45b0-b8d9-616febb91...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Bee wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ In the article that you have posted regarding Mad Hatters it goes on to say: "MODERN DAY STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT LOW LEVELS OF MERCURY EXPOSURE CAN PRODUCE NERVOUS DISORDERS, ODD BEHAVIORS, AND ACTUAL SYMPTOMS OF DEMENTIA. So it is not just the exposure at higher levels in a 60 hour work week that is the problem as you describe, low levels are also a problem. Didn't you read the article? Exposure to ANY toxic heavy metal should be avoided if possible. I would assume that you agree with that. > Exposure to ANY toxic heavy metal should be avoided if possible. > I would assume that you agree with that. No, I'm an analog designer not a digital one. However, for those who *do* think in black and white terms such as you describe, I repeat the question I asked before: > > While you're avoiding deadly heavy metals, what are you > > doing about the heavy metal that is the #1 cause of > > lethal heavy metal toxicity in the United States? I notice that you didn't answer it, and your response makes the issue all the more interesting. There are, after all, a lot of people dying every year in the USA from heavy metal poisoning. According to, > Exposure to ANY toxic heavy metal should be avoided if possible. Which in context is your position, I would trust that you would apply it personally. So, do please tell us what you are doing on that front as an example to others. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > Which in context is your position, I would trust that > you would apply it personally. So, do please tell us > what you are doing on that front as an example to others. Being in the corporate technology world you would appear to be in, can you tell me what your industry is doing to clean up the messes made by the semiconductor industry--from polluting the streams and waterways, having individuals work with solvents with their bare hands, having employees breathe vapors and fumes, etc. Since our technology world has made such a mess, when are they going to start being responsible and cleaning it up? Isn't the tap water in Arizona is a prime example of murky waters? > Being in the corporate technology world you would appear to be in, > can you tell me what your industry is doing to clean up the messes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > technology world has made such a mess, when are they going to start > being responsible and cleaning it up? I'm not in the material processing part of the business, but I spent ten years working for a company which made "green" one of the top corporate priorities, and seemed to do it well enough that the rather fussy European greenies gave it awards for environmental stewardship. > Isn't the tap water in Arizona is a prime example of murky waters? Actually, the tap water around here is better than most in the USA, except where the wells are close to natural sources of arsenic. It's hard as nails, but otherwise not bad. However, I'm not the one preaching that "Exposure to ANY toxic heavy metal should be avoided if possible." Along that line, I asked about the heavy metal that kills more Americans every year than any other -- and what people who *do* subscribe to that principle are doing about it. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <387e2c34-0fb1-4ac6-9038-f09479edf...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Bee wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ In Rhode Island the tap water itself was not bad, but the PIPES carrying it was another story - some of them were WOODEN pipes that had not been changed since the 1890's. This was in 2003. Citizen Jimserac > > Isn't the tap water in Arizona is a prime example of murky waters? > > Actually, the tap water around here is better than most in > the USA, except where the wells are close to natural sources > of arsenic. It's hard as nails, but otherwise not bad. Oh please, I know better--I have friends in Scottsdale. There is a ban on drinking tap water because of solvents in the water. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0118water0119-ON.html > Actually, the tap water around here is better than most in > the USA, except where the wells are close to natural sources > of arsenic. It's hard as nails, but otherwise not bad. How about some TCE in your water? This was in yesterday's newspaper!! http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0305sr-pvwater0306-ON.html > > Kirby has been wrong on every other point, why should anyone believe > > him on this? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the "science world," through > Quackwatch. Dr. Novella is also connected to RealMedicine through Yale Medical School. Kirby is connected to journalism through the HuffPo. I remember getting into a discussion with you that you > didn't get your information from Quackwatch > when we were discussing the Texas Medical Board case with AAPS, that > you used Sciencemag.org. > It flip flops with you---are there two Mark Proberts that post here? The fact that Dr. Novella is connected to Quackwatch is immaterial, since it is connection to ScienceBlogs that caught my attention. Now, try real hard to refute what he says. Of course, intelligent discussion is impossilbe here. Just ask Dr. K. |
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