> sorry...my language might have been a bit too harsh
I don't believe it ...a backflip.
Ok, so your language didn't properly describe what you were trying to say.
> >> folks who are suicidal...often lack the energy to off themselves
> >
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> the person from functioning at any level...going to work..getting out of
> bed...etc....this is what I meant by no energy
Oh ok. I think people lose their motivation for a lot of reasons.
One reason would be the meaningless of it all -- it seems that people spend
too much time just treading water and never actually getting anywhere, it
seems the system is rigged against them.
However, my thinking is that not only does it SEEM that way, I'd say it IS
that way. The system us stuffed and is more about making money that finding
the real meaning of life.
Money isn't the real meaning of life although we need a certain amount to
survive, but its due to the greed and desire for absolute power and control
by those at the top of the food chain that stuffs it up for others.
> > I have heard that many chronically depressed people are those who were
> > sexually molested as children.
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> talk about generalizations...am sure many have been...but many also have
> underlying mental illness regardless
But what causes the mental condition?
Is it stress, bad nutrition, injury, disease or poison?
You do know that the diagnosis for mental isn't based on any real science.
There is good reason to believe that modern psychiatry is a means of
political control of dissidents, apart from anything else.
There is a huge compound in Alaska, something like a million acres set aside
for a massive mental assylum with a railroad going into it. It was
associated with a Mental Health Bill of 1956 which later got squashed
somehow, due to the fact it could be abused and used against citizens. Look
it up.
> >> thus...raise their energy levels...and they are perhaps more likely to
> >> committ the act
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> "drugs" she likely would have led a more normal life..sheltered
> perhaps...but not warehoused for her life as a zombie
Electroshock therapy and lobotomy are two psychiatric abuses that have been
banned in some countries.
However, that doesn't make treatment with drugs ok, just the lesser of two
evils.
> to say that all drugs are bad...is also a very huge jump at unreality...
>
> maybe when you need "an evil drug"...you might change your tune...
Like I've said, I take the odd painkiller for a cold or for the after
effects of an alcoholic binge.
I wouldn't like to get myself dependent on any pharmaceutical drugs.
Anybody who gets on these drugs is on a downhill slide healthwise.
> but then..you admit to alcoholic binges...so I doubt you could make a
> rational choice
What's rational got to do with alcoholic binges?
There is no connection.
> >> intelligent folks can look back on the lives of such folks...and see that
> >> they were likely suicidal..or homicidal ...prior to taking the meds
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> a crisis with a 48 year old sister...we would only hope and pray that an
> "evil drug" could allow her a functional life
Sorry to hear about your sister.
I had a brother die last year from a brain tumour which was a bit of a shock
as he wasn't that old (55).
My brother had all the usual things -- radiation, chemo, different drugs
etc.
I didn't have any influence over him, he always considered me to be "not
normal" and laughed at my ideas.
> >> again...it is not the drug
> >>
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> profession...your comment that the people afflicted have nutritional
> deficiencies or a history of abuse...is beyond simplistic...
I don't think you'd be qualified to comment on the likely causes of
"psychiatric conditions" either.
Some people just need to get away from pollution or allergies that set them
off.
> if only you knew (no seriously...3 months in a psych hospital gave me
> insight into mental illness...and thankful that has never happened to me)
Yes, I suppose it would be a real eye opener.
Carole
www.cellsalts.net
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 02 Mar 2008 21:24 GMT
>> sorry...my language might have been a bit too harsh
>
> I don't believe it ...a backflip.
> Ok, so your language didn't properly describe what you were trying to say.
which is why I admitted it
>> >> folks who are suicidal...often lack the energy to off themselves
>> >
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>
> Oh ok. I think people lose their motivation for a lot of reasons.
agreed
> One reason would be the meaningless of it all -- it seems that people
> spend
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> control
> by those at the top of the food chain that stuffs it up for others.
while I agree with your statements....guess we cannot change the way of the
world...which is indeed far too materialistic
>> > I have heard that many chronically depressed people are those who were
>> > sexually molested as children.
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> But what causes the mental condition?
> Is it stress, bad nutrition, injury, disease or poison?
agreed...if we knew...perhaps we could prevent or cure these conditions...
> You do know that the diagnosis for mental isn't based on any real science.
this may have been true in the past...but more recently the up to date
diagnostics..such as MRI etc...have demonstrated that many with mental
problems have visible areas in their brains that "light up"...I call that
science
> There is good reason to believe that modern psychiatry is a means of
> political control of dissidents, apart from anything else.
well....not sure of the political implications..but sure all are not
dissidents...they more likely are individuals who cannot "deal" with
life...for whatever reasons etc
> There is a huge compound in Alaska, something like a million acres set
> aside
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> been
> banned in some countries.
for good reasons...we still do electroshock in the US...but always with
anesthesia..and only for very disturbed patients...am sure lobotomy is
banned in the US
> However, that doesn't make treatment with drugs ok, just the lesser of two
> evils.
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> I wouldn't like to get myself dependent on any pharmaceutical drugs.
> Anybody who gets on these drugs is on a downhill slide healthwise.
depends upon the drug and its indication....do you believe that insulin for
diabetics is "bad"....or uncontrollable blood pressure is bad when treated
with antihypertensives?? ...sorry..but live with both..and thank evil pharma
for hopefully minimizing death or stroke
>> but then..you admit to alcoholic binges...so I doubt you could make a
>> rational choice
>
> What's rational got to do with alcoholic binges?
ok...let's just leave it at that if you go on alcoholic "binges" you likely
are an alcoholic...I at age 63 have never been on a "binge"...yeah..maybe
had too many wines at dinner and have a headache...but binges?? never
> There is no connection.
>
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> I didn't have any influence over him, he always considered me to be "not
> normal" and laughed at my ideas.
losing a loved one at an early age ..for whatever cause..is painful..
this past summer we attended the wedding of a fav neice..daughter of my fav
brother who died suddenly at age 36...Katie was 3...and watching her get
married as a grown up lady was...to tell you the truth..both very painful
that her DAd missed it...and rewarding that she got to age 28 as a
successful professional without a DAd...her Mom obviously did a great job...
>> >> again...it is not the drug
>> >>
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> Carole
> www.cellsalts.net
D. C. Sessions - 02 Mar 2008 22:28 GMT
> depends upon the drug and its indication....do you believe that insulin for
> diabetics is "bad"....or uncontrollable blood pressure is bad when treated
> with antihypertensives?? ...sorry..but live with both..and thank evil pharma
> for hopefully minimizing death or stroke
This is Carole here, remember. All ills are the result of
one of 26 mineral imbalances.
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