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rpautrey2 - 28 Feb 2008 19:37 GMT Article Link: http://www.naturalnews.com/022728.html
NaturalNews.com Originally published February 27 2008
Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine Singing the Blues by Tony Isaacs (see all articles by this author)
(NaturalNews) The recent widespread mainstream media coverage of the "blue man" Paul Karason and his rare skin condition known as Argyria is the latest in a series of largely misleading and sensationalized scare stories about the dangers of colloidal silver turning a person's skin blue.
Although this latest story did not appear to originate from mainstream medicine or the FDA, there is little doubt that they have welcomed it with open arms and have been quick to trot out "medical experts" and past FDA warnings to help "sing the blues" about colloidal silver. The truth is that mainstream medicine has a very good reason to cry long and loud about colloidal silver, because it does represent a very real danger - a danger to the huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry's patented antibiotics.
The truth is that silver has been used effectively by mankind to fight germs and ailments for thousands of years, and the instances of modern use of colloidal silver turning people's skin blue are so rare as to be almost non-existent - and unlike thousands of prescribed and approved over-the-counter mainstream medications including the common aspirin, silver has never killed anyone. As a matter of fact, almost all of the relative handful of reported instances have involved one or more of the following: older silver products that contained as much as 10% or more silver (compared to mere parts per million in modern colloidal silver), silver nitrate, home made colloidal silver that was contaminated with salt, and silver that has been consumed continuously in very large quantities over a very long period of time.
In the case of Karason, he made his own ionic silver at home for almost two decades and for many years consumed a quart or more per day. I daresay that any prescribed or over-the-counter medication whose recommended dosage was a couple of teaspoons a day would do far worse than turn a person blue if they drank a quart or more of it a year! For the sake of comparison, drinking a quart or more per day of colloidal silver would be like a person taking several bottles of aspirin a day, a practice that would be lethal in short order. Karason actually appears to enjoy his notoriety as the Papa Smurf blue man, and even though he sings the praises of how colloidal silver saved his life and the many ailments he believes it cured, the focus of attention is on his blue skin - a condition that is actually reversible with proper diet and herbal cleanses despite mainstream claims to the contrary.
What is also true about colloidal silver is that it is far safer, more effective and less expensive than the marginally effective and side effect laden mainstream antibiotics - and has mainstream and university studies proving it dating back to the early 1900's. The best and strongest of the FDA approved antibiotics are effective for a handful of bacteria at best, whereas colloidal silver is supremely effective against just about every kind of single celled pathogen, including bacteria, fungal growths and viruses (which antibiotics are often wrongly prescribed for, despite the fact that antibiotics have no effect on viruses).
If the public were told the truth, a rarity when it comes to mainstream drugs versus natural competition, colloidal silver would represent a huge threat to literally billions of dollars of profits and so it is no wonder that mainstream medicine and their allies in the mainstream media are once again loudly singing the blues - just as they have repeatedly done in the past with misleading stories and studies about a great many popular natural plants, supplements, vitamins and minerals that represent threats to mainstream drug profits because they are safer, more effective and less expensive alternatives to the unnatural, side effect laden, hugely expensive and marginally effective synthetics created in the labs of the powerful world pharmaceutical empire.
While there are a great many natural threats to mainstream profits, whose use and track records of safety and effectiveness date back hundreds and even thousands of years, perhaps no natural alternative to mainstream drugs represents as big of a threat to industry profits as colloidal silver, and it is no coincidence that colloidal silver has been placed at the very top of the FDA/mainstream medicine hit list.
However, when it comes to warning and scaring people away from silver, both the mainstream medical industry and the FDA have serious credibility problems. First of all, silver has a history of safe and effective use dating back thousands of years. In addition, it continues to be widely used today, including being used by NASA, the US military and Potters for Peace for water purification, being used as a germicidal agent by hospitals and medical suppliers and was recently incorporated into a new line of hospital pajamas to prevent the spread of infection, to name just a few of its present day uses.
The biggest credibility problem of all for mainstream medicine and the FDA regarding silver is likely how they both approved and embraced silver for medicinal use at one time - yet now would have us believe that silver is both ineffective and dangerous. At one time silver products were very much in favor with both mainstream medicine and the FDA. No fewer than 34 different prescribed over-the-counter medications containing silver were not only widely sold by industry, they were also approved by the very same FDA which now seeks to warn us of its dangers and have us believe it is ineffective.
What changed their minds? Perhaps the obvious answer can be found in the fact that silver fell out of favor at the very same time that patented sulfa drugs and patented antibiotics created in drug company labs came on the market. Once that happened, the non-patentable silver was no longer a tool for healing, but a threat to profits.
Zealous protection of mainstream approved drugs and suppression of natural competition is nothing new -look at the estimated 100,000 or more deaths caused by Vioxx before the FDA finally removed it from the market. Look at the ridiculous actions of the FDA when it threatened Washington cherry growers for telling the truth about the health benefits of eating cherries, or at the storm trooper actions against the makers of Charantia (bitter melon) tea in Florida who dared put references to some of the 650 plus PubMed studies and citations about bitter melon on their website.
The FDA persecutions and prosecutions of cherry farmers, bitter melon, and a long line of other natural alternatives points out just how extreme the protection of the big drug companies' products and profits really is. Consider this: other than issues of national security, only in natural health is it a crime to tell the truth due to the way the FDA has construed their rules and definitions to protect industry. For example, if a company were to advertise that vitamin C was a cure for scurvy, as everyone knows is true, that company could be prosecuted for selling unapproved drugs. The same would be true if a company printed a testimonial from someone who reported health benefits due to vitamin C, or any other vitamin, mineral, supplement or non FDA approved drug.
For example, only the makers of FDA approved drugs can use the word cure, or even imply any health benefits without the FDA considering the product a drug. The catch is that in order to be FDA approved, no matter how many PubMed cited studies or other studies have been performed, and no matter how much of a history of hundreds or thousands of years and users, the FDA only approves drugs that go through its specific approval process - one that costs hundreds of billions of dollars.
When it comes to natural alternatives, spending such money on a natural product is prohibitive, since it could not be patented and could be freely and cheaply sold by any number of competitors and it would be virtually impossible to ever recover all the costs of getting the natural product approved. Though the process is purported to be one which protects the public from unsafe medicines (and we see how well that worked for the hall of shame list of drugs like Vioxx, Avandia, etc.), the net effect of the FDA's drug definitions and approval process is to exclude natural competition and insure that only the patentable and profitable synthetics created in drug company labs can be approved and marketed as having health benefits.
The most recent example of such one-sided treatment favoring industry came in the following news story earlier this past week about a lawsuit filed against the FDA by Public Citizen after the FDA ignored years of complaints about the dangers of ruptured tendons caused by one of the drug industry's most powerful and profitable antibiotics:
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Despite long-standing evidence that fluoroquinolone antibiotics can cause tendon ruptures, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has failed to increase its warnings to patients and physicians about the dangers of the medicines, Public Citizen told a federal court Thursday.
Public Citizen sued in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, asking the court to force the FDA to act upon a petition the consumer group filed with the agency 16 months ago. The FDA has failed to respond to the petition, which asked the agency to put a "black box" warning on fluoroquinolone antibiotics (such as Cipro, Levaquin and others) to make doctors and patients more aware of the risk of serious tendon injury before tendons actually rupture.
The petition also urged the FDA to send a warning letter to physicians, as well as require an FDA-approved medication guide to be dispensed when prescriptions are filled. Public Citizen contends that the FDA is violating the Administrative Procedure Act by not acting upon the petition.
Stronger warnings could lead to earlier intervention and prevent needless injuries by allowing doctors to switch patients to other antibiotics, said Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen's Health Research Group.
"While the FDA sits idly by and ignores the problem, more people will suffer serious tendon ruptures that could have been prevented," Wolfe said. "The current warning is buried in a long list of possible adverse reactions and is far too easy to miss."
From November 1997 through December 2005, the FDA received 262 reports of tendon ruptures, mainly of the Achilles tendon, 258 cases of tendinitis and 274 cases of other tendon disorders in patients using fluoroquinolone antibiotics. An additional 74 tendon ruptures have subsequently been reported to the FDA for a total of 336. Because only a small fraction of cases are typically reported to the FDA, the actual number of ruptures and other tendon injuries attributable to the antibiotic is much higher (Source: Healthy News).
One can only imagine the FDA's reaction if 336 tendon ruptures had been reported for those who take the best antibiotic and pathogen destroyer on the planet - colloidal silver. No doubt, they would have raided the manufacturer with storm troopers and shut it down years ago, just as they have done many times with the manufacturers and sellers of other natural competitors to drug company products.
In conclusion, as far as I can tell, not one single instance of Argyria has been attributed to properly made colloidal that was not consumed in amounts that were up to hundreds of times the recommended dosage, that has not stopped the FDA from continuing to "sing the blues" about silver or from going after those who make and sell colloidal silver products, not because silver represents a whit of threat to human health but rather because it represents a threat to the inflated bottom line profits of the mainstream drug manufacturers.
Finding out who the FDA really serves is a simple task - all you have to do is follow the money. But don't simply take my word, let a noted past FDA commissioner tell you very clearly what the FDA is really about:
"The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.
It isn't.
What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
Dr. Herbert Ley Former U.S. FDA Commissioner
About the author Tony Isaacs, is a natural health advocate and researcher and the author of books and articles about natural health including "Cancer's Natural Enemy" as well as song lyrics and humorous anecdotal stories. Mr. Isaacs also has The Best Years in Life website for baby boomers and others wishing to avoid prescription drugs and mainstream managed illness and live longer, healthier and happier lives naturally. He is currently residing in the scenic Texas hill country near Utopia, Texas where he is working on a major book project due for publication next year.
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Mark Probert - 28 Feb 2008 19:40 GMT > NaturalNews.com > Originally published February 27 2008 > > Colloidal Silver Has been discussed, re-discussed, and barfed all over. in this newsgroup.
Bee - 28 Feb 2008 20:31 GMT > > Colloidal Silver Has > > been discussed, re-discussed, and barfed all over. in this newsgroup. And the point is what? It cannot be discussed again?
Interesting --a friend had a tooth and gum problem---she was up in the mountains --it was on a weekend - no dentist would see her because she wasn't a "patient of record," so she called her own dentist---whom she was miles away from -- he told her to get Whole Foods or another natural market and pick up some Colloidal Silver because of its properties for dealing with infection and munch out on cloves of garlics--by the time she returned off of the mountain---and got home, the infection was almost gone.
Mark Probert - 28 Feb 2008 20:57 GMT > > > Colloidal Silver Has > > > been discussed, re-discussed, and barfed all over. in this newsgroup. > > And the point is what? It cannot be discussed again? Discuss it to your hearts content. We had a fellow, nicknamed "SmurfBoy" who was a big proponent of CS. He just could not come to understand that the studies showing its topical applications do not translate into drinking it.
> Interesting --a friend had a tooth and gum problem---she was up in the > mountains --it was on a weekend - no dentist would see her because she [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > garlics--by the time she returned off of the mountain---and got home, > the infection was almost gone. And she had some really rotten garlic breath.
D. C. Sessions - 28 Feb 2008 21:03 GMT > Interesting --a friend had a tooth and gum problem---she was up in the > mountains --it was on a weekend - no dentist would see her because she [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > garlics--by the time she returned off of the mountain---and got home, > the infection was almost gone. The long-distance advice is straight out of the 30s, and it still works.
I suspect you're confusing "cloves" with "cloves of garlic." Garlic is used for a lot of things but topical infection control isn't one of them. In fact, folk wisdom has it that garlic juice will practically guarantee gangrene.
Oil of cloves, on the other hand, is a classic topical anaesthetic still used all over the world.
As for the silver, it's been in the USP since the beginning. Works great as a topical antimicrobial, but it's too toxic to be used internally. It's not that it's horribly toxic as such, but it's not selective -- the LD50 for bacteria is close to the LD50 for body cells, and the bacteria can stand the losses better.
She could have rinsed with hydrogen peroxide, too.
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Bee - 28 Feb 2008 21:55 GMT > The long-distance advice is straight out of the 30s, and it > still works. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > control isn't one of them. In fact, folk wisdom has it that > garlic juice will practically guarantee gangrene. Just re-verified it--garlic cloves---due to its infection fighting properties not clove oil -or cloves which is used for pain.
> Oil of cloves, on the other hand, is a classic topical > anaesthetic still used all over the world. Some old fashioned dentists use clove oil in their practices.
> As for the silver, it's been in the USP since the beginning. > Works great as a topical antimicrobial, but it's too toxic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > She could have rinsed with hydrogen peroxide, too. The silver on cotton balls in her mouth. Probably one of those things that you aren't supposed to do orally-like iodine orally--but as a kid I would eat a ton of tomatoes off of the vines, and get canker sores--- nothing but swishing iodine around in my mouth, without swallowing it- and then expectorating it out-and rinsing with hydrogen peroxide would - which is what the local pharmacist told my mother worked the best. And it did--gone within 24 hours with absolutely no trace of them ever being there.
D. C. Sessions - 28 Feb 2008 22:08 GMT > The silver on cotton balls in her mouth. Probably one of those > things that you aren't supposed to do orally-like iodine orally--but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > them > ever being there. Neither silver preparations nor iodine is terribly bad in small quantities (sort of like mercury) -- it's only the concentrations that are a problem. Iodine, like silver, isn't any more toxic to bacteria than it is to human tissues -- but that's not an issue when it's used topically.
The thing I'd worry about with iodine is that the stuff it's dissolved in might not be terribly kind to mucous membranes, much less the digestive tract. I believe it's alcohol with some other minor ingredients, but that alcohol could be isopropyl or other "not for internal use" types.
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Dunner - 28 Feb 2008 23:43 GMT > In message <edcea7fa-8dab-4df8-a338-487d81818...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Bee wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oil of cloves, on the other hand, is a classic topical > anaesthetic still used all over the world. That is true re: cloves/garlic cloves and the garlic cloves themselves could potentially be contaminated by all sorts of things, but garlic oil may indeed have some bacteriocidal properties,
PMID: 11328781
Title: In vitro activity of garlic oil and four diallyl sulphides against antibiotic-resistant Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Klebsiella pneumoniae.
PMID: 17461963
Antimicrobial activity of garlic against oral streptococci.
Dunner
Dunner - 28 Feb 2008 23:22 GMT > Interesting --a friend had a tooth and gum problem---she was up in the > mountains --it was on a weekend - no dentist would see her because she > wasn't a "patient of record," so she called her own dentist---whom she > was miles away from -- he told her to get Whole Foods or another If they were going to Whole Foods and had an infected tooth, they also could have picked up some tea tree oil. Its use has been reported as an oral antimicrobial and in vitro experiments have shown it to be more effective than chlorhexidine against oral microorganisms.
I've used it myself for that very purpose soaked in a bit of cotton and placed in an abscessed tooth until I could get to a dentist, and it certainly did help in my case - though it can be a bit irritating and can provoke an allergic reaction, and makes you salivate like CRAZY... (and it does not taste very good at all.)
Dunner
Bee - 29 Feb 2008 02:01 GMT > I've used it myself for that very purpose soaked in a bit of cotton > and placed in an abscessed tooth until I could get to a dentist, and > it certainly did help in my case - though it can be a bit irritating > and can provoke an allergic reaction, and makes you salivate like > CRAZY... (and it does not taste very good at all.) I made the mistake a couple of times of visiting the Mall" nail salons, and ending up with some toenail fungas--ofcourse they want you to purchase their $25.00 bottles of whatever--even though the stuff probably came from them in the first place. I've used tea tree oil, and it worked like a charm--and way less than whatever they were trying to sell. It is interesting how the workers that work in those places think they they have the right to use those metal callous remover shavers (metal tools), when by law they are not allowed to be used, but no one (well, not exactly no one) ever bothers to turn them in. Most of those places cause women (and men) to get ingrown toe nails because the idiots are clueless on how to do the job they are supposed to be trained how to do--then you find out that they share licenses-- that's another scary thought --I've turned in two places in the last year because the licenses did not match the workers. Can you imagine someone with diabetes getting hurt from a place like that?
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 29 Feb 2008 18:54 GMT On Feb 28, 3:22 pm, Dunner <Dun...@singapore.com> wrote:
> I've used it myself for that very purpose soaked in a bit of cotton > and placed in an abscessed tooth until I could get to a dentist, and > it certainly did help in my case - though it can be a bit irritating > and can provoke an allergic reaction, and makes you salivate like > CRAZY... (and it does not taste very good at all.) I made the mistake a couple of times of visiting the Mall" nail salons, and ending up with some toenail fungas--ofcourse they want you to purchase their $25.00 bottles of whatever--even though the stuff probably came from them in the first place. I've used tea tree oil, and it worked like a charm--and way less than whatever they were trying to sell. It is interesting how the workers that work in those places think they they have the right to use those metal callous remover shavers (metal tools), when by law they are not allowed to be used, but no one (well, not exactly no one) ever bothers to turn them in. Most of those places cause women (and men) to get ingrown toe nails because the idiots are clueless on how to do the job they are supposed to be trained how to do--then you find out that they share licenses-- that's another scary thought --I've turned in two places in the last year because the licenses did not match the workers. Can you imagine someone with diabetes getting hurt from a place like that?
Bee
you are lucky...cannot count how many wildy infected nails I have seen and treated (most are bacterial..pus ..yuck)
I always counseled patients to either bring their own "tools"....or at the very minimum only use salons that had autoclaves (soaking the tools in a jar of whatever doesn't do the trick)...ask to see how they sterilize...if they refuse...leave
once you find a reputable place..stick with it...
agree totally with your comments
better to be safe than sorry
Bee - 01 Mar 2008 17:01 GMT On Feb 29, 10:54 am, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> agree totally with your comments > > better to be safe than sorry I guess what bothers me the most is that "nail technicians" (isn't that what they are called?) are diagnosing clients, and prescribing remedies for them. Selling products to them that they possibly need or don't need.
I had one - tell me that I needed this bottle of Toe Nail Fungus "medicine." I asked her if she was a "doctor." She just glared at me. Another woman sitting in the chair next to me, said, that bottle costs $25.00 but lasts a long time. So, I asked her if she had been to her doctor to find out if she indeed had toe nail fungus in the first place--and had her doctor prescribe some medicine for her? She said no. I asked "why not?" How do you even know that you have toe nail fungus, and if the stuff in this bottle even treats it? I declined the offer from the nail technician, and just happened to be at my doctor's office, and asked her, and she told me, after examining my toes, that no, I didn't have that, and recommended that I tell the cosmo board that this salon was attempting to sell me something I didn't need by diagnosing me.
I did learn from the cosmo board that if a person does have fungus that they are not supposed to work on those individuals and turn their business away, and refer them to a doctor.
Interesting what people will do for a buck.
Hawki63@sbcglobal.net - 01 Mar 2008 17:42 GMT On Feb 29, 10:54 am, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> agree totally with your comments > > better to be safe than sorry I guess what bothers me the most is that "nail technicians" (isn't that what they are called?) are diagnosing clients, and prescribing remedies for them. Selling products to them that they possibly need or don't need.
I had one - tell me that I needed this bottle of Toe Nail Fungus "medicine." I asked her if she was a "doctor." She just glared at me. Another woman sitting in the chair next to me, said, that bottle costs $25.00 but lasts a long time. So, I asked her if she had been to her doctor to find out if she indeed had toe nail fungus in the first place--and had her doctor prescribe some medicine for her? She said no. I asked "why not?" How do you even know that you have toe nail fungus, and if the stuff in this bottle even treats it? I declined the offer from the nail technician, and just happened to be at my doctor's office, and asked her, and she told me, after examining my toes, that no, I didn't have that, and recommended that I tell the cosmo board that this salon was attempting to sell me something I didn't need by diagnosing me.
I did learn from the cosmo board that if a person does have fungus that they are not supposed to work on those individuals and turn their business away, and refer them to a doctor.
Interesting what people will do for a buck.
you hit the nail (pun) on the head
again I suggest that you use ONLY salons that appear clean to you...that autoclave (not soak in a jar of gunk) in between clients...better still...bring your own tools and then you know they are clean
as to "selling" any potion...I think the pharmacy board might also be interested in this...tho if the "potions" are homeopathic...don't think they can intervene
best to continue to watch license data...check out the ones you have doubts about
personally I avoid ANY nail salons employing only Asians
call me paranoid..or racist...
Bee - 02 Mar 2008 06:22 GMT On Mar 1, 9:42 am, <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> you hit the nail (pun) on the head Is it time to hear Stacey Lattigaw--in "Nail It to the Wall?"
> again I suggest that you use ONLY salons that appear clean to you...that > autoclave (not soak in a jar of gunk) in between clients...better > still...bring your own tools and then you know they are clean Yep, autoclave only salons for me.
> as to "selling" any potion...I think the pharmacy board might also be > interested in this...tho if the "potions" are homeopathic...don't think they > can intervene Not homeopathic--looks like nail polish (clear), clear watery substance, and does not really have a smell to it. I opened the bottle at the shop, and declared it smelled like water in a loud voice -- why would I want to buy water? The stuff isn't made in the U.S. of A, it is coming in from China.
> best to continue to watch license data...check out the ones you have doubts > about I check them all, and advise others to do the same. How do you know that the person waiting on you really has a valid license that matches the photo ID? You don't know unless you ask. The ones that get offended, I do not do business with. I ask doctors the same question. but hey, how does one know when they go to a new doctor if that doctor is really that doctor unless you check.
> personally I avoid ANY nail salons employing only Asians > call me paranoid..or racist... I do business with people that can clearly speak English. If they cannot clearly speak English, and it doesn't make any big deal (in a restaurant, where I can point, and they are actually trying to speak English for example), but when it comes to personal services (hair, massage, acupuncture, doctor, nurse, etc), and I cannot communicate with them, I cannot do business with them. Why make it just as difficult to others that cannot understand or speak the language you are attempting to communicate in?
Mark Probert - 29 Feb 2008 03:21 GMT Nope. Not me. Try again. Watchyour attributes. Caelessness starts fights.
> > Interesting --a friend had a tooth and gum problem---she was up in the > > mountains --it was on a weekend - no dentist would see her because she > > wasn't a "patient of record," so she called her own dentist---whom she > > was miles away from -- he told her to get Whole Foods or another Dunner - 29 Feb 2008 13:57 GMT >On Feb 28, 10:21 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nope. Not me. Try again. Watchyour attributes. Caelessness starts > fights. Sorry about that Mark. I Should have made it clear I was reponding to Bee.
Dunner
Mark Probert - 29 Feb 2008 17:08 GMT > >On Feb 28, 10:21 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sorry about that Mark. I Should have made it clear I was reponding to > Bee. Thanks. Especially with her.
rpautrey2 - 29 Feb 2008 02:08 GMT Bee: I've also had good luck with CS for toothache, mold induced asthma, wound cleansing, a sinus wash/spray, etc. Paul
PS: Three cloves of ingested raw garlic, followed by 3 more cloves a few hours later has eliminated abscessed tooth pain and cured the tooth if continued for a week or so. I've had a chance to try that on a few occaisons over the years.
Some of my other favorite toothache remedies are: ingested White Willow Bark, north pole of a large magnet (>/= 4000 gauss) held to side of face, holding CS in mouth on tooth(don't swallow), ingested Oregeno oil (emergency-no longer than a few days), low potency homeopathic combination remedies for toothache, and Clove oil swabbed on tooth and gum.
If I tried, I could probably come up with others I have used.
> > > Colloidal Silver Has > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > garlics--by the time she returned off of the mountain---and got home, > the infection was almost gone. Bee - 29 Feb 2008 06:58 GMT > Bee: I've also had good luck with CS for toothache, > mold induced asthma, wound cleansing, a sinus > wash/spray, etc. Paul Not my toothache--a friend's tooth ache...I have no teeth!! <g>
Mark Probert - 29 Feb 2008 13:44 GMT > On Feb 28, 6:08 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:> Bee: I've also had good luck with CS for toothache, > > mold induced asthma, wound cleansing, a sinus > > wash/spray, etc. Paul > > Not my toothache--a friend's tooth ache...I have no teeth!! <g> More proof you are empty-headed.
Bee - 01 Mar 2008 00:55 GMT > More proof you are empty-headed. Takes one to know one, Probert......
Mark Probert - 01 Mar 2008 01:26 GMT > > More proof you are empty-headed. > > Takes one to know one, Probert...... I see, so you were left back in kindergarten. '
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