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Article Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/earlyshow/main3886268.shtml MD Accused Of Speeding Death To Get Organs NEW YORK, Feb. 28, 2008 (CBS) A California transplant surgeon is accused of hastening a patient's death via a lethal dose of drugs so his organs could be harvested. As CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker reports, Dr. Hootan Roozrokh was in court Wednesday for a preliminary hearing on charges he ordered that excessive doses of drugs be given to a brain-damaged patient who was near death. "He didn't deserve to die like that. He wasn't ready to go," cried Rosa Navarro, whose late son, Ruben is at the center of the closely- watched and unprecedented case. After suffering cardiac arrest, says Whitaker, the profoundly disabled 25-year-old was removed from life support systems at the Sierra Vista Regional Medical Center in San Luis Obispo, Calif. Doctors from the California Transplant Donor Network, led by Roozrokh, were standing by to harvest his organs. Rose Navarro says it's what happened next that moved the situation from the hospital to the courtroom: "They gave him a big amount of medication, to speed up his death." Why? "To harvest his organs," she replied through tears. "I will never be the same, because of what they did to my boy." The San Luis Obispo prosecutor says Roozrokh tried to hasten Navarro's death with a massive, lethal cocktail of morphine, sedative, and the antiseptic Betadine, a poison. She charged him with three felony counts: dependant adult abuse, administering a harmful substance, and prescribing an unlawful controlled substance. Roozrokh maintains he did nothing wrong. Still, if convicted, he could get up to eight years in prison. Thousands of lives are saved each year by donated organs, Whitaker points out. The Association of Transplant Surgeons fears this case will result in fewer donations. Medical ethicists, such as Michael Grodin, hope it will encourage more humane harvesting. "There's almost this image of people waiting over them to get their organs," Grodin says, "you know -- the transplant people waiting to say, 'Oh, we can get another organ as soon as we declare them dead, so we'll jump in and take their organs.' So, that's a big problem." "The issue," says Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who heads the Department of Bioethics of the National Institutes of Health, "is that, in cases where it's a planned death, (when doctors are) going to terminate some life-sustaining treatment, there is this sense that they're just waiting for the death to happen to harvest the organs. And that's, I think, what is worrying people." Emanuel told co-anchor Harry Smith on The Early Show Thursday that, "Getting a standardized protocol for how to harvest organs with patients who are going to die, something that the clinicians and the transplant surgeons agree to, something the ethicists agree to, and something the lawyers agree to, is very important. ... It's unclear in this case whether the protocol was adhered to or not. But I think getting something that everyone in the country agrees to as ethical and legal is a very important lesson that we could learn from this case." He also says, "It's hard to know what to think about this case. There's obviously a conflict about the facts and about exactly what went on." Rosa Navarro says she wants justice: "I don't want this thing to happen again to anybody." She says her son died without dignity; she's doesn't want it to have been in vain. © MMVIII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. except...the transplant surgeon is NOT part of the medical team caring for the patient tho this guy sounds like a creep Article Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/earlyshow/main3886268.shtml MD Accused Of Speeding Death To Get Organs NEW YORK, Feb. 28, 2008 (CBS) A California transplant surgeon is accused of hastening a patient's death via a lethal dose of drugs so his organs could be harvested. As CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker reports, Dr. Hootan Roozrokh was in court Wednesday for a preliminary hearing on charges he ordered that excessive doses of drugs be given to a brain-damaged patient who was near death. "He didn't deserve to die like that. He wasn't ready to go," cried Rosa Navarro, whose late son, Ruben is at the center of the closely- watched and unprecedented case. After suffering cardiac arrest, says Whitaker, the profoundly disabled 25-year-old was removed from life support systems at the Sierra Vista Regional Medical Center in San Luis Obispo, Calif. Doctors from the California Transplant Donor Network, led by Roozrokh, were standing by to harvest his organs. Rose Navarro says it's what happened next that moved the situation from the hospital to the courtroom: "They gave him a big amount of medication, to speed up his death." Why? "To harvest his organs," she replied through tears. "I will never be the same, because of what they did to my boy." The San Luis Obispo prosecutor says Roozrokh tried to hasten Navarro's death with a massive, lethal cocktail of morphine, sedative, and the antiseptic Betadine, a poison. She charged him with three felony counts: dependant adult abuse, administering a harmful substance, and prescribing an unlawful controlled substance. Roozrokh maintains he did nothing wrong. Still, if convicted, he could get up to eight years in prison. Thousands of lives are saved each year by donated organs, Whitaker points out. The Association of Transplant Surgeons fears this case will result in fewer donations. Medical ethicists, such as Michael Grodin, hope it will encourage more humane harvesting. "There's almost this image of people waiting over them to get their organs," Grodin says, "you know -- the transplant people waiting to say, 'Oh, we can get another organ as soon as we declare them dead, so we'll jump in and take their organs.' So, that's a big problem." "The issue," says Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, who heads the Department of Bioethics of the National Institutes of Health, "is that, in cases where it's a planned death, (when doctors are) going to terminate some life-sustaining treatment, there is this sense that they're just waiting for the death to happen to harvest the organs. And that's, I think, what is worrying people." Emanuel told co-anchor Harry Smith on The Early Show Thursday that, "Getting a standardized protocol for how to harvest organs with patients who are going to die, something that the clinicians and the transplant surgeons agree to, something the ethicists agree to, and something the lawyers agree to, is very important. ... It's unclear in this case whether the protocol was adhered to or not. But I think getting something that everyone in the country agrees to as ethical and legal is a very important lesson that we could learn from this case." He also says, "It's hard to know what to think about this case. There's obviously a conflict about the facts and about exactly what went on." Rosa Navarro says she wants justice: "I don't want this thing to happen again to anybody." She says her son died without dignity; she's doesn't want it to have been in vain. © MMVIII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. > Article Link:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/earlyshow/main3886268.shtml > > MD Accused Of Speeding Death To Get Organs > NEW YORK, > Feb. 28, 2008 It is interesting that our modern docs have elevated grave robbing to a new heighth. What is really sad is how these ghouls profit so greatly from the effort, yet staunchly refuse to provide the costs of a decent funeral to those who participate. Why is it that providing for a decent funeral for someone who agreed to donate their organs is wrong while the docs wait anxiously for their next condo payment? DrCee You cannot maintain nor provide health with pus or poisons. > Why is it that providing for a decent funeral for someone who agreed > to donate their organs is wrong while the docs wait anxiously for > their next condo payment? Riiiight. The only time I had personal contact with a transplant donor situation was with a very tragic massive-trauma death. We kept the victim pink and warm until the helicopter arrived, which is something that the people involved are *still* dealing with. The MD who "harvested" the organs for transplant didn't make a dime on it: he's a salaried IHS employee who was called in for uncompensated overtime. His "condo" is a cheap bungalow in a small town. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <d8e40784-8173-49e9-8d9b-7f3354b7b...@o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ Oh you poor, poor doctors. Underpaid and so generous. Carnegie realized the same thing around 1900. The docs of the day were making less than his steel workers. By correcting this and giving them awesome power over their victims, the docs of today serve the medical monopoly that Carnegie and Rockefeller began. The last info that I had on a doctor's compensation was that a newly hired local doc was offered a mere $21,000 per month. However, those docs hiring him apologized and assured him that amount would climb higher every year. Yep, you poor, poor docs with your license to maim and kill. I feel so sorry for you. NOT!! DrCee You cannot maintain nor preserve health with pus or poisons. >> In message <d8e40784-8173-49e9-8d9b-7f3354b7b...@o10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Oh you poor, poor doctors. Underpaid and so generous. And off our Chuckie goes on a rant about pay. Here's a clue for you, Diddums: I'm not a doc. I'm an unpaid volunteer doing emergency trauma treatment. I notice you carefully never answer questions about the treatment of trauma (what *is* the "orthopathic" treatment for a fracture of the distal tibia, anyway?) My day job pays better than a family practice MD can expect, and besides the Labor Department data I've compared notes with a fair number of MDs. I'm sure that your lack of "toxaemia" renders you immune from deceleration injuries and the like, too. However, despite having no MD my son, recently graduated with an engineering BS, will be making as much as the median pay of his classmates who went to med school by the time they get out into practice. In the meantime he's free and clear instead of looking at paying off loans that would buy a house. What's more, he's not looking at nearly the hours that they do. That IHS MD was probably working off his med school debt on the "public service" schedule. Whiteriver ain't much for night life, but it is cheap. Nice country. > Carnegie realized the same thing around 1900. The docs of the day > were making less than his steel workers. By correcting this and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > docs hiring him apologized and assured him that amount would climb > higher every year. Just like you for "the last info" to be a third-hand story rather than bother to look up the Labor Department data (NB: collected by those fun-filled people at the IRS. Real easy-going sorts, them.) According to the IRS and the Department of Labor, $21K/month would put him above the median pay for the highest-paid specialties with less than two years experience (anaesthesiology -- the guys who keep all those blood gasses balanced during open-chest surgery.) > Yep, you poor, poor docs with your license to maim and kill. I feel > so sorry for you. NOT!! You obviously also don't spend a lot of time trying to comfort people who have been injured. Much better at displaying your own self-righteousness. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ we recently had dinner with old friends...he is an ENT surgeon age 58 or so...she a nurse that I worked with years ago (California) he told us that his income is less than 50% of what it was 20 years ago their Yale grad son...age 25 or so..is now making more than Dear Old DAD folks forget that docs usually don't hit the job market til they are 31 or so...depending upon how long a residency...so yes..it does take many years to pay off the debts...etc grass always looks greener (pun) > In message > <3edac218-88d5-48a7-80a9-7b7470eb7c66@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | > +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > folks forget that docs usually don't hit the job market til they are 31 or > so...depending upon how long a residency...so yes..it does take many years > to pay off the debts...etc If you calculate the opportunity cost, they never make it back in the more general practices. Law gets into practice sooner and makes more with smaller loans. Anaesthesiologists? They make as much as all but the rock-star lawyers (low-end of the CEO scale) but it varies a lot. I had a good chance to chat with the dude who kept me breathing while the leg was being repaired and he took an extra rotation to do cardiac anaesthesiology while the rest of his class went into practice. He says he gets ribbed by the others for missing the year of income, but he finds the work more interesting. Then again, he was in his mid-30s before he started practice. (A comforting thought, that.) I'm sure, though, that thanks to his superior lifestyle our boy Cee can rest confident that he will never need an anaesthesiologist; even if the truck with the drunk at the wheel doesn't bounce off of him, he's so strong in the vital force that his body can repair a torn aorta by the time the ambulance arrives. | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" | | The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" | +---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+ > In message <arFxj.7645$Mw.2...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, You are trying to confuse apples and oranges, cats and dogs, whatever. I have not argued trauma or ER medical intervention except to point out that it is a part of the medical monopoly. That is to say, I do not see DOs ( I do today, this medical theory has been morphed into allopathy ) practicing Osteopathy, NDs, DCs, or homeopaths in the ER rooms. All you will find are allopathic MDs. When it comes to acute and chronic dis-ease, this is when you utterly fall on your butt. Modern medicine, allopathic medicine, is at least the 3rd leading cause of death in the US if not number 1. The dollar amounts I quoted are current as of 2008 for the starting pay of the said MD. It is the MDs that can get zero interest loans, have their loans forgiven, and come out smelling like a rotten rose. I do not see any local docs driving anything less than a $50,000 vehicle for themselves and their wives and living in a $500,000 to over $2,000,000 homes. As far as the education requirements are concerned, this is simply a continuation of the Flexner report of 1900 as to how to construct a medical monopoly and use indoctrination and brainwashing to keep it going. Why is it necessary to study for over 10 years in medicine in order to recite a lie and a deceit? Answer: Because it is a lie and a deceit. DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poison On Feb 28, 4:41 pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote: > In message <arFxj.7645$Mw.2...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>, You are trying to confuse apples and oranges, cats and dogs, whatever. I have not argued trauma or ER medical intervention except to point out that it is a part of the medical monopoly. That is to say, I do not see DOs ( I do today, this medical theory has been morphed into allopathy ) practicing Osteopathy, NDs, DCs, or homeopaths in the ER rooms. All you will find are allopathic MDs. When it comes to acute and chronic dis-ease, this is when you utterly fall on your butt. Modern medicine, allopathic medicine, is at least the 3rd leading cause of death in the US if not number 1. The dollar amounts I quoted are current as of 2008 for the starting pay of the said MD. It is the MDs that can get zero interest loans, all student educational loans are zero interest...do not have to be paid back til working after graduation have their loans forgiven, and come out smelling like a rotten rose. I do not see any local docs driving anything less than a $50,000 vehicle for themselves and their wives and living in a $500,000 to over $2,000,000 homes. yikes....so what?? if you had gone to school til your were 31 or so...are you not allowed to spend the hard earned money as you please?? without bragging...we are not doctors...my new Caddy was a 50,000 car..and our home is valued at over a million bucks (both are paid for) why you ask..??? it is called working hard all our lives...saving for a rainy day...and living within our means... think about it As far as the education requirements are concerned, this is simply a continuation of the Flexner report of 1900 as to how to construct a medical monopoly and use indoctrination and brainwashing to keep it going. Why is it necessary to study for over 10 years in medicine in order to recite a lie and a deceit? Answer: Because it is a lie and a deceit. no....it takes over 10 years simply to learn all there is to learn DrCee You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poison |
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