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Acupuncture: some interesting studies
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Richard Schultz - 27 Feb 2008 08:44 GMT Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed flight, I turned up some articles about acupuncture (Thanx and a tip o' the hat to Google Scholar) that may be of some interest. Note that all were published after the publication of the NIH consensus statment.
Acupuncture: An Evidence-Based Review of the Clinical Literature
David J. Mayer, Ann. Rev. Med. 51 (2000) 49.
This chapter reviews the experimental literature on the effects of acupuncture treatment. The review covers the 14 medical conditions for which the National Institutes of Health Acupuncture Consensus Development Panel (NIHCDP) concluded that acupuncture either is effective (2 conditions) or may be useful (12 conditions). My conclusions partially support those of the NIHCDP. There is evidence that acupuncture is effective for the treatment of postoperative and chemotherapyinduced nausea and vomiting. Also, some data indicate that acupuncture may be useful for headache, low back pain, alcohol dependence, and paralysis resulting from stroke (4 of the 12 conditions for which the NIHCDP found that acupuncture may be useful). For most of the remaining conditions, there is little evidence that acupuncture is either effective or ineffective. It is recommended that workers in the field design double blind, sham controlled trials using adequate acupuncture treatment regimens, with specific hypotheses, and sample sizes sufficient to allow both positive and negative conclusions.
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Efficacy of Acupuncture as a Treatment for Tinnitus: A Systematic Review
Jongbae Park et al., Arch Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg. 126 (2000) 489.
Conclusion Acupuncture has not been demonstrated to be efficacious as a treatment for tinnitus on the evidence of rigorous randomized controlled trials.
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Does Acupuncture Improve Motor Recovery After Stroke? A Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials Frank Kai-hoi Sze et al., Stroke 33 (2002) 2604
Conclusions This meta-analysis suggests that with stroke rehabilitation, acupuncture has no additional effect on motor recovery but has a small positive effect on disability, which may be due to a true placebo effect and varied study quality. The efficacy of acupuncture without stroke rehabilitation remains uncertain, mainly because of the poor quality of such studies.
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Needle acupuncture in chronic poststroke leg spasticity
Matthias Fink et al., Arch. Phys. Med. Rehab. 85 (2004) 667.
Results There was no demonstrated beneficial clinical effects from verum acupuncture. After 4 weeks of treatment, mean MAS score was 3.3ñ+/- 0.9 in the placebo group versus 3.3ñ+/- 1.1 in the verum group. The neurophysiologic measure of H-reflex indicated a significant increase of spinal motoneuron excitability after verum acupuncture (H-response/M-response ratio: placebo, .39 +/-ñ.19; verum, .68ñ+/- .41; P<.05).
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A critical analysis of randomised clinical trials on neck pain and treatment efficacy. A review of the literature. G. V. Kjellman et al., Scand. J. Rehabil. Med. 31 (1999) 139.
The efficacy of physiotherapy or chiropractic treatment for patients with neck pain was analysed by reviewing 27 randomised clinical trials published 196-1995. Three different methods were employed: systematic analyses of; methodological quality; comparison of effect size; analysis of inclusion criteria, intervention and outcome according to The Disablement Process model. The quality of most of the studies was low; only one-third scored 50 or more of a possible 100 points. Positive outcomes were noted for 18 of the investigations, and the methodological quality was high in studies using electromagnetic therapy, manipulation, or active physiotherapy. High methodological quality was also noted in studies with traction and acupuncture, however, the interventions had either no effect or a negative effect on outcome. Pooling data and calculation of effect size showed that treatments used in the studies were effective for pain, range of motion, and activities of daily living. Inclusion criteria, intervention, and outcome were based on impairment in most of the analysed investigations. Broader outcome assessments probably would have revealed relationships between treatment effect and impairment, functional limitation and disability.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
newip6@googlemail.com - 27 Feb 2008 12:56 GMT > Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed flight, > I turned up some articles about acupuncture (Thanx and a tip o' the hat to [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > ----- > "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" Interesting articles, thanks.
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Peter Moran - 27 Feb 2008 21:50 GMT > Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed > flight, [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > ----- > "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" There have been a lot more studies performed since these, with similar patchy results.
Such findings are exactly what we would expect from an "ineffective" (see below) treatment. Even with with new drugs and conventional medical procedures there is a tendency for the early studies performed by enthusiasts to be strongly positive while negative studies emerge as larger and better quality studies are performed.
Negative studies should be regarded as more likely to be representing the true situation. Why? Because the biases in studies of theatrical "alternative" procedures such as spinal manipulation and acupuncture, are all towards positive results. (The studies are often performed by enthusiasts inexperienced in performing clinical studies, the conditions being treated are those where the enthusiasts think they get their BEST results, there are difficulties in blinding, some will be positive at the p<.05 level simply due to chance and the negative ones are less likely to be published. We have seen how easily drug companies manipulate their results.)
Thirdly I have placed "ineffective" in quotation marks because when these reports use words such as "not efficacious" what they really mean is that the methods don't perform better than a sham treatment (placebo). Yet we don't yet have a good handle on the extent to which placebo treatments can usefully satisfy common medical needs, perhaps even reducing the use of unnecessarily powerful drugs. *All we know is that they work by easing symptoms, not by having any effect on important disease processes.*
Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect. Go for it if you want.
PM
Richard Schultz - 03 Mar 2008 15:31 GMT : Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is : theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition : distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect. Go for it if you : want. I would add that there may be additional qualities that may give it "special status" as a placebo, in particular, its emphasis on personalized care and of therapeutic touch on the part of the caregiver. As "medicine for profit" increasingly replaces "medicine for making people better," there is a greater and greater emotional and psychological disconnect between the doctor and the patient. A treatment method that emphasizes the personal relationship between the caregiver and the patient (especially if the patient has had a negative experience with standard medicine) will increase the patient's psychological readiness for the new therapy to be effective.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Bee - 03 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT > I would add that there may be additional qualities that may give it "special > status" as a placebo, in particular, its emphasis on personalized care and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ----- Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? I got some wavy dark ??? (question marks) on your post only , and when I went to look at the original message, it claimed this message came from Berlin.
Richard Schultz - 04 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT : Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? Is it any of your business?
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 06 Mar 2008 20:42 GMT > Bee:: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? > > Is it any of your business? Richard,
I am going to be very Frank (no offense, Frank), with you--every time I go to reply to one of your posts, there are all sorts of black question marks all over the post---the same thing that is happening in my emails. And it only happens on your posts, and since we aren't emailing, it's a bit odd. I'm not accusing you of anything--but I have also gotten some black flashes around the perimeters of my screen whenever I sign on. Everyone of your posts seems to be coming through a pathway in Germany. Do you not know this?
It is kind of difficult at best to wonder who finds the information in my computer interesting--and as you say, "Is it any of your business?" Ofcourse not--and neither is whomever is hacking my computer. Most of the hits are coming off Comcast, from either NJ, Illinois, Washington State, as well as Level 3 Communications out of Colorado. As well as some coming from Verizon in NY. I'm also gotten them from Berlin as well.
If anyone else, you, too, Richard are having any firewall attacks from any of the places I have mentioned, and more--put it out here -- so we can compare notes.
Like you, Richard, I agree, it is not anyone else's business where anyone goes or what they do. Unless of course you work for the FDA or FAA, or FCC, and you are a public servant, then you become accountable to the taxpayers!!
Richard Schultz - 07 Mar 2008 13:03 GMT :> Bee:: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? ? :> :> Is it any of your business?
: Everyone [sic] of your posts seems to be coming through : a pathway in Germany. Do you not know this? Every one [sic] of my posts *originates* from a site in Israel. Do you now know this?
: It is kind of difficult at best to wonder who finds the information in : my computer interesting--and as you say, "Is it any of your : business?" If you think that I am trying to hack into your computer, please come right out and say so. As for my current location, it's a bit strange that someone who objects to having the *region of the U.S. in which she lives* publically identified would even think to ask. My recommendation is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert in tracking me down.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- And when I found the door was shut, I tried to turn the handle, but --
Jan Drew - 08 Mar 2008 05:54 GMT > In article > <7e0b010f-38f3-4f1c-87bb-767d17c54a75@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Bee [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert > in tracking me down. It appears Bee has already done that. It also appears you are passing the buck! Whasamatter, Richard, doing you little dance. NOT being forthright.....
> ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And when I found the door was shut, > I tried to turn the handle, but -- Bee - 08 Mar 2008 07:33 GMT > If you think that I am trying to hack into your computer, please come > right out and say so. As for my current location, it's a bit strange > that someone who objects to having the *region of the U.S. in which she > lives* publically identified would even think to ask. My recommendation > is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert > in tracking me down. I did not say that - what I did say is that it happens every time I attempt to reply to one of your posts. They are black questions marks--and ironically, tonight is the first time they are not there-
This is what I said...>>>>>>." I'm not accusing you of anything--but I have also gotten some black flashes around the perimeters of my screen whenever I sign on."<<<<<<
I also said,>>> If anyone else, you, too, Richard are having any firewall attacks from any of the places I have mentioned, and more--put it out here -- so we can compare notes.<<<<<<
Richard Schultz - 06 Mar 2008 19:22 GMT : Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? I got : some wavy dark ??? (question marks) : on your post only , and when I went to look at the original message, : it claimed this message came from Berlin. When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from Israel. If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it *could* have said that it came from Berlin would have been if I had forged the header.
----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 06 Mar 2008 20:48 GMT > When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from > Israel. If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it > *could* have said that it came from Berlin would have been if I had forged > the header. Some of them have Berlin, and some do not---that's really odd....strange pathways is all I can say!!
mzlindyone@earthlink.net - 07 Mar 2008 21:07 GMT >> When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from >> Israel. If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >odd....strange pathways >is all I can say!! Enough already. Header reading lesson::
All of Richard's posts I've seen contain the path tail: !fu-berlin.de!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail
This means that the server he is using from the computer center, named news.iucc.ac.il (IL is Israel), has what is known as a feed arrangement with the server news.fu-berlin.de. It's possible, actually likely, the university has other feed arrangements, so something other than fu-berlin.de might appear in that space in the example. If fu-berlin.de appears most, it's only because it's set up as the primary feed. It could just as well be in Sydney Australia. It's a non-issue.
The fact that an entire path might read: ...!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.addix.net!fu-berlin.de!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail is NOT an indication that it came from "somewhere else". A *path* is exactly what the name implies. Posts aren't teleported from server to server; they follow a path from point to point very similar to a road map, and like a roadmap there are possible turns and choices. This path says that the post originated at news.iucc.ac.il, who offered it to news.fu-berlin.de. If fu-berlin.de did not already have the post from somewhere else, a copy would be downloaded from iucc.ac.il. Similarly, fu-berlin.de would offer the post to addix.net (and others, according to its own feed arrangements), and so on from right to left in the path entries until a copy appeared on Google where you read it. The path of the post you see is determined by which server offered the post to the receiving server first, and nothing but the right-most entry has anything to do with the poster.
As far as David Wright's time zones with which you seem to have another issue - the headers of most posts will show more than one time stamp (at times as many as three). It may or may not be stamped by the poster's newsreader according the time on that computer. It will probably be stamped by the first receiving server according to ITS set time, and may be stamped with a received time by the server from which you as the reader are viewing, according to ITS individual set time. Each of these stamps is not only likely to be in a different time zone, but may further vary if server time is not set correctly, or is set to -0000 (which is common). Further, I see David's posting server is Giganews, which I know maintains many servers, each of which may have its time set differently and even may be physically maintained in different time zones. It's very likely Giganews maintains a gateway which chooses which server gets used automatically, according to current load (if they don't, they're stoopid, and I doubt they are).
Darn funny the people you have chosen as recipients of your paranoia. I hope I haven't ruined their fun.
Carol
-- First, eliminate the poison.
Bee - 07 Mar 2008 21:30 GMT On Mar 7, 1:07 pm, mzlindy...@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:48:08 -0800 (PST), Bee > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > -- > First, eliminate the poison. You have not ruined my paranoia--because there was never any paranoia to begin with. I'm quite aware that my computer has been tampering with---and several others as well from emails on this account that I have received. It is just a little odd that sometimes with Schultz's postings (and there are always question marks and black lines in his postings), all of his posts come directly from his Israel computer service directly--and sometimes they come through Berlin. That's odd. As far as time zones go, Google said they should be consistent--for example--if I worked for Comcast in Illinois---that would be in the Central Time Zone---so all of my postings should show my correct local time when I post. For someone reading it in Nevada for instance - that's Pacific Standard time---so they see the post in the local time- that's no big deal. I'm not questioning that---but if I am in the CST--and my posts are all over the place -- the time doesn't match up---Google said that this is not how it is supposed to be, that there is something wrong. And again, either people are paranoid themselves -- but you don't go from Comcast to Prodigy back and forth and into other time zones as it would appear to be happening on my end of the spectrum.
It is a natural curosity to wonder if something is wrong with the system. Since I know people at Google---and have spoken with them about it - I've sent them some information snail mail so that they can look into it when they get the information.
Citizen Jimserac - 03 Mar 2008 19:29 GMT On Feb 27, 4:50 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net>
> Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is > theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition > distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect. Go for it if you > want. > > PM SUCH presuppositions are unscientific, illogical and tend to obscure the OBVIOUS SUCCESSFUL, NON-PLACEBO results which this modality has attained.
You are welcome to hold dearly to your primitive theories of counter irritation and PIXIE DUST (sorry, I now replace the unscientific word "PLACEBO" with "PIXIE DUST" whenever I see it since "PIXIE DUST" is a more accurate representation of whatever it is that "PLACEBO" is supposed to be), but, as I have already indicated, there is current GENUINE RESEARCH going on with far better theories.
http://www.medicalacupuncture.org/aama_marf/journal/vol11_2/conduct.html
from "Medical Acupuncture, Beyond Neurohumeral Theory" by Charles Shange M.D., which appeared in the journal Medical Acupuncture. Vol 11, No. 2
Reference from this article, confirms that the acupuncture points and meridians have actual REAL physical existence and exhibit actual REAL electrical conductivity variations from the rest of the body.
Meanwhile, I'm certain that the millions of people finding benefit from this ancient (and modern!) system of medicine could care less how it worked.
Citizen Jimserac
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