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Acupuncture:  some interesting studies

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Richard Schultz - 27 Feb 2008 08:44 GMT
Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed flight,
I turned up some articles about acupuncture (Thanx and a tip o' the hat to
Google Scholar) that may be of some interest.  Note that all were published
after the publication of the NIH consensus statment.

Acupuncture: An Evidence-Based Review of the Clinical Literature

David J. Mayer, Ann. Rev. Med. 51 (2000) 49.

This chapter reviews the experimental literature on the effects of
acupuncture treatment. The review covers the 14 medical conditions for which
the National Institutes of Health Acupuncture Consensus Development Panel
(NIHCDP) concluded that acupuncture either is effective (2 conditions) or may
be useful (12 conditions). My conclusions partially support those of the
NIHCDP. There is evidence that acupuncture is effective for the treatment
of postoperative and chemotherapyinduced nausea and vomiting. Also, some data
indicate that acupuncture may be useful for headache, low back pain, alcohol
dependence, and paralysis resulting from stroke (4 of the 12 conditions
for which the NIHCDP found that acupuncture may be useful). For most of
the remaining conditions, there is little evidence that acupuncture is
either effective or ineffective. It is recommended that workers in the
field design double blind, sham controlled trials using adequate acupuncture
treatment regimens, with specific hypotheses, and sample sizes sufficient
to allow both positive and negative conclusions.

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Efficacy of Acupuncture as a Treatment for Tinnitus: A Systematic Review

Jongbae Park et al., Arch Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg. 126 (2000) 489.

Conclusion  Acupuncture has not been demonstrated to be efficacious as a
treatment for tinnitus on the evidence of rigorous randomized controlled
trials.

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Does Acupuncture Improve Motor Recovery After Stroke? A Meta-Analysis of
Randomized Controlled Trials
Frank Kai-hoi Sze et al., Stroke 33 (2002) 2604

Conclusions This meta-analysis suggests that with stroke rehabilitation,
acupuncture has no additional effect on motor recovery but has a small
positive effect on disability, which may be due to a true placebo effect
and varied study quality. The efficacy of acupuncture without stroke
rehabilitation remains uncertain, mainly because of the poor quality of
such studies.

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Needle acupuncture in chronic poststroke leg spasticity

Matthias Fink et al., Arch. Phys. Med. Rehab. 85 (2004) 667.

Results
There was no demonstrated beneficial clinical effects from verum acupuncture.
After 4 weeks of treatment, mean MAS score was 3.3ñ+/- 0.9 in the placebo
group versus 3.3ñ+/- 1.1 in the verum group. The neurophysiologic measure of
H-reflex indicated a significant increase of spinal motoneuron excitability
after verum acupuncture (H-response/M-response ratio: placebo, .39 +/-ñ.19;
verum, .68ñ+/- .41; P<.05).

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A critical analysis of randomised clinical trials on neck pain and treatment
efficacy. A review of the literature.
G. V. Kjellman et al., Scand. J. Rehabil. Med. 31 (1999) 139.

The efficacy of physiotherapy or chiropractic treatment for patients with
neck pain was analysed by reviewing 27 randomised clinical trials published
196-1995. Three different methods were employed: systematic analyses of;
methodological quality; comparison of effect size; analysis of inclusion
criteria, intervention and outcome according to The Disablement Process model.
The quality of most of the studies was low; only one-third scored 50 or more
of a possible 100 points. Positive outcomes were noted for 18 of the
investigations, and the methodological quality was high in studies using
electromagnetic therapy, manipulation, or active physiotherapy. High
methodological quality was also noted in studies with traction and
acupuncture, however, the interventions had either no effect or a negative
effect on outcome. Pooling data and calculation of effect size showed that
treatments used in the studies were effective for pain, range of motion,
and activities of daily living. Inclusion criteria, intervention, and
outcome were based on impairment in most of the analysed investigations.
Broader outcome assessments probably would have revealed relationships
between treatment effect and impairment, functional limitation and disability.

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Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
newip6@googlemail.com - 27 Feb 2008 12:56 GMT
> Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed flight,
> I turned up some articles about acupuncture (Thanx and a tip o' the hat to
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> -----
>  "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"

Interesting articles, thanks.

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Peter Moran - 27 Feb 2008 21:50 GMT
> Having some time to kill in the airport while waiting for a delayed
> flight,
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> -----
> "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"

There have been a lot more studies performed since these, with similar
patchy results.

Such findings are exactly what we would expect from an "ineffective" (see
below) treatment.  Even with with new drugs and conventional medical
procedures there is a tendency for the early studies performed by
enthusiasts to be strongly positive while negative studies emerge as larger
and better quality studies are performed.

Negative studies should be regarded as more likely to be representing the
true situation.  Why? Because the biases in studies of  theatrical
"alternative" procedures such as spinal manipulation and acupuncture, are
all towards positive results.   (The studies are often performed by
enthusiasts inexperienced in performing clinical studies, the conditions
being treated are those where the enthusiasts  think they get their BEST
results, there are difficulties in blinding, some will be positive at the
p<.05 level simply due to chance and the negative ones are less likely to be
published.   We have seen how easily drug companies  manipulate their
results.)

Thirdly I have placed "ineffective" in quotation marks because when these
reports use words such as "not efficacious" what they really mean is that
the methods don't perform better than a sham treatment (placebo).    Yet we
don't yet have a good handle on the extent to which placebo treatments can
usefully satisfy common medical needs, perhaps even reducing the use of
unnecessarily powerful drugs.   *All we know is that they work by easing
symptoms, not by having any effect on important disease processes.*

Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is
theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition
distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect.   Go for it if you
want.

PM
Richard Schultz - 03 Mar 2008 15:31 GMT
: Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is
: theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition
: distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect.   Go for it if you
: want.

I would add that there may be additional qualities that may give it "special
status" as a placebo, in particular, its emphasis on personalized care and
of therapeutic touch on the part of the caregiver.  As "medicine for profit"
increasingly replaces "medicine for making people better," there is a
greater and greater emotional and psychological disconnect between the doctor
and the patient.  A treatment method that emphasizes the personal relationship
between the caregiver and the patient (especially if the patient has had
a negative experience with standard medicine) will increase the patient's
psychological readiness for the new therapy to be effective.

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Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Bee - 03 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT
> I would add that there may be additional qualities that may give it "special
> status" as a placebo, in particular, its emphasis on personalized care and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -----

Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin?  I got
some wavy dark  ??? (question marks)
on your post only , and when I went to look at the original message,
it claimed this message came from Berlin.
Richard Schultz - 04 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT
: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin?  

Is it any of your business?

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Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 06 Mar 2008 20:42 GMT
> Bee:: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin?  
>
> Is it any of your business?

Richard,

I am going to be very Frank (no offense, Frank), with you--every time
I go to reply to one of your posts, there are all sorts of black
question marks all over the post---the same thing that is happening in
my emails.  And it only happens on your posts, and since we aren't
emailing, it's a bit odd.  I'm not accusing you of anything--but I
have also gotten some black flashes around the perimeters of my screen
whenever I sign on.  Everyone of your posts seems to be coming through
a pathway in Germany.  Do you not know this?

It is kind of difficult at best to wonder who finds the information in
my computer interesting--and as you say, "Is it any of your
business?"  Ofcourse not--and neither is whomever is hacking my
computer.  Most of the hits are coming off Comcast, from either NJ,
Illinois, Washington State, as well as Level 3 Communications out of
Colorado.  As well as some coming from Verizon in NY.  I'm also gotten
them from Berlin as well.

If anyone else, you, too, Richard are having any firewall attacks from
any of the places I have mentioned, and more--put it out here -- so we
can compare notes.

Like you, Richard, I agree, it is not anyone else's business where
anyone goes or what they do.  Unless of course you work for the FDA or
FAA, or FCC, and you are a public servant, then you become accountable
to the taxpayers!!
Richard Schultz - 07 Mar 2008 13:03 GMT
:> Bee:: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin? ?
:>
:> Is it any of your business?

: Everyone [sic] of your posts seems to be coming through
: a pathway in Germany.  Do you not know this?

Every one [sic] of my posts *originates* from a site in Israel.  Do you
now know this?

: It is kind of difficult at best to wonder who finds the information in
: my computer interesting--and as you say, "Is it any of your
: business?"  

If you think that I am trying to hack into your computer, please come
right out and say so.  As for my current location, it's a bit strange
that someone who objects to having the *region of the U.S. in which she
lives* publically identified would even think to ask.  My recommendation
is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert
in tracking me down.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
And when I found the door was shut,
I tried to turn the handle, but --
Jan Drew - 08 Mar 2008 05:54 GMT
> In article
> <7e0b010f-38f3-4f1c-87bb-767d17c54a75@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Bee
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert
> in tracking me down.

It appears Bee has already done that.  It also appears you are passing
the buck!  Whasamatter, Richard, doing you little dance.  NOT being
forthright.....

> -----
> Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> And when I found the door was shut,
> I tried to turn the handle, but --
Bee - 08 Mar 2008 07:33 GMT
> If you think that I am trying to hack into your computer, please come
> right out and say so.  As for my current location, it's a bit strange
> that someone who objects to having the *region of the U.S. in which she
> lives* publically identified would even think to ask.  My recommendation
> is that you ask Tim Bolen -- he seems to believe that he is an expert
> in tracking me down.

I did not say that - what I did say is that it happens every time I
attempt to reply to one of your
posts.  They are black questions marks--and ironically, tonight is the
first time they are not there-

This is what I said...>>>>>>." I'm not accusing you of anything--but
I
have also gotten some black flashes around the perimeters of my
screen
whenever I sign on."<<<<<<

I also said,>>> If anyone else, you, too, Richard are having any
firewall attacks from
any of the places I have mentioned, and more--put it out here -- so
we
can compare notes.<<<<<<
Richard Schultz - 06 Mar 2008 19:22 GMT
: Richard, out of nosey-ness, are you at a conference in Berlin?  I got
: some wavy dark  ??? (question marks)
: on your post only , and when I went to look at the original message,
: it claimed this message came from Berlin.

When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from
Israel.  If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it
*could* have said that it came from Berlin would have been if I had forged
the header.

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Bee - 06 Mar 2008 20:48 GMT
> When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from
> Israel.  If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it
> *could* have said that it came from Berlin would have been if I had forged
> the header.

Some of them have Berlin, and some do not---that's really
odd....strange pathways
is all I can say!!
mzlindyone@earthlink.net - 07 Mar 2008 21:07 GMT
>> When *I* went to Google Groups, it claimed that the message came from
>> Israel.  If you stop a minute to think about it, the only way that it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>odd....strange pathways
>is all I can say!!

Enough already.  Header reading lesson::

All of Richard's posts I've seen contain the path tail:
    !fu-berlin.de!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail

This means that the server he is using from the computer center,
named news.iucc.ac.il (IL is Israel), has what is known as a feed
arrangement with the server news.fu-berlin.de.  It's possible,
actually likely, the university has other feed arrangements, so
something other than fu-berlin.de might appear in that space in the
example.  If fu-berlin.de appears most, it's only because it's set
up as the primary feed.  It could just as well be in Sydney
Australia.  It's a non-issue.

The fact that an entire path might read:
...!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.addix.net!fu-berlin.de!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail
is NOT an indication that it came from "somewhere else".  A *path*
is exactly what the name implies.  Posts aren't teleported from
server to server; they follow a path from point to point very
similar to a road map, and like a roadmap there are possible turns
and choices.  This path says that the post originated at
news.iucc.ac.il, who offered it to news.fu-berlin.de.  If
fu-berlin.de did not already have the post from somewhere else, a
copy would be downloaded from iucc.ac.il.  Similarly, fu-berlin.de
would offer the post to addix.net (and others, according to its own
feed arrangements), and so on from right to left in the path entries
until a copy appeared on Google where you read it.  The path of the
post you see is determined by which server offered the post to the
receiving server first, and nothing but the right-most entry has
anything to do with the poster.

As far as David Wright's time zones with which you seem to have
another issue - the headers of most posts will show more than one
time stamp (at times as many as three).  It may or may not be
stamped by the poster's newsreader according the time on that
computer.  It will probably be stamped by the first receiving server
according to ITS set time, and may be stamped with a received time
by the server from which you as the reader are viewing, according to
ITS individual set time.  Each of these stamps is not only likely to
be in a different time zone, but may further vary if server time is
not set correctly, or is set to -0000 (which is common).  Further, I
see David's posting server is Giganews, which I know maintains many
servers, each of which may have its time set differently and even
may be physically maintained in different time zones.  It's very
likely Giganews maintains a gateway which chooses which server gets
used automatically, according to current load (if they don't,
they're stoopid, and I doubt they are).

Darn funny the people you have chosen as recipients of your
paranoia.  I hope I haven't ruined their fun.

Carol

--
First, eliminate the poison.
Bee - 07 Mar 2008 21:30 GMT
On Mar 7, 1:07 pm, mzlindy...@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:48:08 -0800 (PST), Bee
>
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
> --
> First, eliminate the poison.

You have not ruined my paranoia--because there was never any paranoia
to begin with.  I'm quite aware that my computer has been tampering
with---and several others as well from emails on this account that I
have received.    It is just a little odd that sometimes with
Schultz's postings (and there are always question marks and black
lines in his postings), all of his posts come directly from his Israel
computer service directly--and sometimes they come through Berlin.
That's odd.
As far as time zones go, Google said they should be consistent--for
example--if I worked for Comcast in Illinois---that would be in the
Central Time Zone---so all of my postings should show my correct local
time when I post.  For someone reading it in Nevada for instance -
that's  Pacific Standard time---so they see the post in the local
time- that's no big deal.
I'm not questioning that---but if I am in the CST--and my posts are
all over the place -- the time doesn't match up---Google
said that this is not how it is supposed to be, that there is
something wrong.  And again, either people are paranoid themselves --
but you don't go from Comcast to Prodigy back and forth and into other
time zones as it would appear to be happening on my end of the
spectrum.

It is a natural curosity to wonder if something is wrong with the
system.  Since I know people at Google---and have spoken with them
about it - I've sent them some information snail mail so that they can
look into it when they get the information.
Citizen Jimserac - 03 Mar 2008 19:29 GMT
On Feb 27, 4:50 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net>

> Acupuncture would be expected to have special qualities as placebo -- it is
> theatrical, mysterious, entails enforced relaxation, and it may in addition
> distract from symptoms through a counterirritant effect.   Go for it if you
> want.
>
> PM

SUCH presuppositions are unscientific, illogical
and tend to obscure the OBVIOUS SUCCESSFUL,
NON-PLACEBO results which this modality
has attained.

You are welcome to hold dearly to your primitive
theories of counter irritation and
PIXIE DUST (sorry, I now replace the unscientific
word "PLACEBO" with "PIXIE DUST"
whenever I see it since "PIXIE DUST"
is a more accurate representation
of whatever it is that "PLACEBO"
is supposed to be), but, as I have already
indicated, there is current
GENUINE RESEARCH going on
with far better theories.

http://www.medicalacupuncture.org/aama_marf/journal/vol11_2/conduct.html

from "Medical Acupuncture, Beyond Neurohumeral Theory"
by Charles Shange M.D., which appeared in the
journal Medical Acupuncture.  Vol 11, No. 2

Reference from this
article, confirms that the acupuncture points
and meridians have actual REAL physical existence
and exhibit actual REAL electrical conductivity
variations from the rest of the body.

Meanwhile, I'm certain that the millions
of people finding benefit from this
ancient (and modern!) system of medicine
could care less how it worked.

Citizen Jimserac
 
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