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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Flood damaged lounge suites a health hazard - chuck them out
Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - because its a health hazard. Health hazard, my arse. I don't believe this. I think there are too many lounge suites that are chucked out that could be salvaged at any time. You should see some of the furniture that gets thrown out, often needing nothing more than a clean or minor repair. What is wrong with drying them out and re-using them? Same goes for floor rugs and mattresses. I'm sure they would dry out quickly in the hot Queensland sun. In the olden days people used to "use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without - tread lightly on the earth". This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such trouble with their credit cards This desire everything needing to be perfect condition is part of the reason for high house prices. People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or there is a tile or two missing in the bathroom. This "rights" thing -- ie "I have the right to live in a house with everything in good condition." You should add to that "I have the right to be in debt way over my head". Carole www.conspiracee.com > Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge > suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Carole > www.conspiracee.com "Many houses won't be fit to live in again for maybe 4 months" Some need to be rewired, that is true. But there are REAL hazards and ARTIFICIAL ones. Electricity is a real hazard, mud and mould can be cleaned up and are a temporary inconvenience. Some of these people walk through a house with their white gloves on and it they pick up a speck of dust go, "oh really, I couldn't possibly live here -- this house is filty". Well I say get off your lazy arses, take off the white gloves, put on the rubber gloves and start cleaning. Nothing pisses me off. This sort of attitude is the height of pretentiousness, and they deserve to be in debt. Carole www.conspiracee.com >Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge >suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >What is wrong with drying them out and re-using them? Yeah, after all, they're not toxic, so moulds could not possibly grow on them. >Same goes for floor rugs and mattresses. >I'm sure they would dry out quickly in the hot Queensland sun. > >In the olden days people used to "use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do >without - tread lightly on the earth". Is that the olden day attitude that made the inhabitants of Easter Island completely deforest their island? >This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such trouble >with their credit cards > >This desire everything needing to be perfect condition is part of the reason >for high house prices. High house prices? You don't come out much do you. Or haven't you seen the signs foreclosures all over the place where you live? >People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or there >is a tile or two missing in the bathroom. >This "rights" thing -- ie "I have the right to live in a house with >everything in good condition." >You should add to that "I have the right to be in debt way over my head". Is that your excuse why your house isn't in good shape? >Carole >www.conspiracee.com > >Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge > >suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yeah, after all, they're not toxic, so moulds could not possibly grow > on them. What are you trying to say, Martin? That the lounge suits, carpets etc aren't toxic, or that moulds can't grow on them, or that they got toxic thru moulds, or they were toxic before moulds? > >Same goes for floor rugs and mattresses. > >I'm sure they would dry out quickly in the hot Queensland sun. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Is that the olden day attitude that made the inhabitants of Easter > Island completely deforest their island? I'm talking about the pioneers of Australia (or US). So you are in favour of rampant consumerism and the throwaway society? > >This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such trouble > >with their credit cards [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > High house prices? You don't come out much do you. Or haven't you seen > the signs foreclosures all over the place where you live? Are you talking about US -- I live in Oz. What I am saying is people have come to expect unrealistically high standards in relation to what they can afford to pay. > >People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or there > >is a tile or two missing in the bathroom. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is that your excuse why your house isn't in good shape? People have come to expect too much -- ie latest style of kitchen, if its dated get a makeover. Latest style of furniture, chuck out the old. Anything that is faded or soiled chuck out and get new. I live in keeping with my means, not beyond them. Carole Carole > >Carole > >www.conspiracee.com >> >Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their >louge [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >on them, or that they got toxic thru moulds, or they were toxic before >moulds? I'm trying to say that moulds can not grow on them because they are not toxic. I'm following your 'soil theory', that says (or so I read from you) that moulds can only grow in a toxic environment. >> >Same goes for floor rugs and mattresses. >> >I'm sure they would dry out quickly in the hot Queensland sun. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'm talking about the pioneers of Australia (or US). >So you are in favour of rampant consumerism and the throwaway society? All I'm saying that the ways of 'the olden days' are no different from today. Easter Island was not the only one, not the first and not the last society to be a victim of rampant consumerism. Going back to 'the olden days' is not going to solve the problems we have, going forward is the only way and science can help us there. >> >This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such trouble >> >with their credit cards [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Are you talking about US -- I live in Oz. Ok, fair enough. >What I am saying is people have come to expect unrealistically high >standards in relation to what they can afford to pay. I tend to agree with you there. >> >People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or >there [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I live in keeping with my means, not beyond them. I have some friends who are social workers and it seems that you are an exception doing that. Although they may have a biased view of society. >Carole > >Carole >> >> >Carole >> >www.conspiracee.com > >> >Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their > >louge [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > not toxic. I'm following your 'soil theory', that says (or so I read > from you) that moulds can only grow in a toxic environment. Well what I'm thinking is that the real cause of disease is toxemia and over acid condition of the body, brought on by buildup of uneliminated wastes. Then once the body gets so toxic anything can set off a bout of illness, or allergies. If a person has a really robust constitution they would have more resilience. We have a lot of chemicals in our environment and in the food we eat. It has been said that these chemicals are below the threshold to cause disease, but lately people begin to question if all these chemicals COMBINED might not be another matter. I actually knew a woman once who would disinfect all her child's toys after anybody touched them, and the child got a staph infection and died in 24 hours. She said never again would she take so much care because the child didn't have any resistance -- well either that, or the staph mutated into a more virulent form like in hospitals. > >> >Same goes for floor rugs and mattresses. > >> >I'm sure they would dry out quickly in the hot Queensland sun. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > olden days' is not going to solve the problems we have, going forward > is the only way and science can help us there. Nobody knows what easter island is all about. The fact it is deforested doesn't prove anything either, forests grow back. Was easter island destroyed through rampant consumerism? Was there even a community there? The huge statues are a mystery and may have been transported there from somewhere else using some sort of technology unknown to modern man. Like with building of the pyramids, there may have been some sort of technology, long forgotten. > >> >This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such trouble > >> >with their credit cards [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I tend to agree with you there. Yep, you've got to live within your means. You can be rich on a low income or poor on a high income, all depending on how you spend your money. > >> >People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or > >there [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > an exception doing that. Although they may have a biased view of > society. People just need to learn how to live in today's world. They get taken advantage of by money lenders too much and get sucked in. People need to take charge and think it through for themselves rather than listen to slick marketing and hype from sellers. I saw a good talk on Oprah the other day. It was a female money adviser who actually got herself into a lot of debt living beyond her means. Now she has written a book called Women and Money, by Suzie Orman. She sure had her head screwed on and gave some good hard facts for people who got themselves in over their heads. Carole www.cellsalts.net > >Carole > > > >Carole > >> > >> >Carole > >> >www.conspiracee.com >> >> >Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their >> >louge [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >resilience. >We have a lot of chemicals in our environment and in the food we eat. Yes Carole, just about everything is a chemical. Even cellsalts are chemicals. > It has been said that these chemicals are below the threshold to cause disease, but >lately people begin to question if all these chemicals COMBINED might not be >another matter. >I actually knew a woman once who would disinfect all her child's toys after >anybody touched them, and the child got a staph infection and died in 24 >hours. She may have had bad luck. But I'm not for too sterile environments, I feel it deprives the immune system of 'training', so to speak. > She said never again would she take so much care because the child >didn't have any resistance -- well either that, or the staph mutated into a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Nobody knows what easter island is all about. Yes we do. Look up Thor Heyerdahl for starters. > The fact it is deforested doesn't prove anything either, forests grow back. So why are such enormous stretches of land getting deforested? Carole, do you have any idea how long it takes for a forest to grow back? The people on Easter Island simply cut down trees faster than they grow back. >Was easter island destroyed through rampant consumerism? Yes. >Was there even a community there? Yes. They left stuff that we found. >The huge statues are a mystery and may have been transported there from >somewhere else using some sort of technology unknown to modern man. No they weren't. We found the quarries, we found statues that were half finished, some just started. And this guy Thor Heyerdahl, he build one of those statues, transported it and erected it with technology that people had back then. People from the islands in the area told him how it was done and he did it. Case closes. > Like with building of the pyramids, there may have been some sort of technology, long forgotten. The technology is called 'elbow grease'. Around the pyramids, we found the graves of the people who build them, they had lots of back and knee problems (you can tell by looking at the skeletons) because they worked so hard. You can also work smart. I can give you a link to a guy, I think he's a retired carpenter, who build a copy of Stonehenge, on his own. >> >> >This throwaway mentality is part of the reason people are in such >trouble [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >Carole >www.cellsalts.net > >> >What are you trying to say, Martin? > >> >That the lounge suits, carpets etc aren't toxic, or that moulds can't [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Yes Carole, just about everything is a chemical. Even cellsalts are > chemicals. Ok. But wouldn't there be good chemicals and bad chemicals -- some that were conducive to good health and others that broke down a person's health? > > It has been said that these chemicals are below the threshold to cause disease, but > >lately people begin to question if all these chemicals COMBINED might not be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > She may have had bad luck. But I'm not for too sterile environments, I > feel it deprives the immune system of 'training', so to speak. Yes, she may have been unlucky. She thought that the child never developed immunity, however, looking back I'd say its a possibility that the bacteria mutated with all the disinfectant, to become dangerous like in hospitals. > > She said never again would she take so much care because the child > >didn't have any resistance -- well either that, or the staph mutated into a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yes we do. Look up Thor Heyerdahl for starters. Ok. I looked it up and there seems to be some process where the statues were carved from rock and moved to their final positions. But the biggest mystery seems to be what the statues represented and why they were made. > > The fact it is deforested doesn't prove anything either, forests grow back. > > So why are such enormous stretches of land getting deforested? > Carole, do you have any idea how long it takes for a forest to grow > back? The people on Easter Island simply cut down trees faster than > they grow back. But how long ago were the statues made, and how long does it take a forest to grow back? > >Was easter island destroyed through rampant consumerism? > > Yes. I would say the population was destroyed through statue making rather than food growing. > >Was there even a community there? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > technology that people had back then. People from the islands in the > area told him how it was done and he did it. Case closes. Ok. > > Like with building of the pyramids, there may have been some sort of technology, long forgotten. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guy, I think he's a retired carpenter, who build a copy of Stonehenge, > on his own. Ok. But why would people build these things, and what are they trying to achieve? And you've also got to take into account that there have been advanced civilisations on this planet that have subsequently disappeared -- maybe Atlantis, Lumeria, or other. You also need to take into account that we currently have advanced technology on this planet that is suppressed from the public. There are DUMBs -- deep underground bases -- all over the world and what goes on in them is anybody's guess. There are also UFOs flitting round the world which were made around the time of WW2 and kept secret. They're not necessarily from outer space but manmade here, on planet earth. Carole www.cellsalts.net On Feb 25, 12:30 pm, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:What is wrong with drying them out and re-using them? << You HAVE to have a black and white in order to be 'proof positive' this problem of mold have been addressed properly .. and in order to BE proof positive / IE: disallows LYING .. one HAS to say .. "It got wet .. ? Throw it the fk out .. NOW!!" That way one can be SURE .. 'shady' .. commercial venues ADHERE to **health** .. policy. One CAN fix them / dry them out with alot of work but who can POLICE that type of restoration? There are just too many shady people around to take that chance in food serving establishments. http://web1.msue.msu.edu/imp/mod02/01500024.html 7. If molds have grown into inner parts, send furniture to a dry cleaning or storage company for thorough drying and fumigation. Fumigation will kill molds present at the time but will not protect against future attacks. This article was written by Anne Field, Extension Specialist, Emeritus, with reference from the USDA Disaster Handbook. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge > suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Carolewww.conspiracee.com > Victims of flood ravaged Queensland have been told to chuck out their louge > suites and presumably any other furniture which could possibly be salvaged - > because its a health hazard. > Health hazard, my arse. > People won't live in a house if the paintwork isn't up to scratch or there > is a tile or two missing in the bathroom. It isn't hard to replace a tile if it isn't quite a match. > This "rights" thing -- ie "I have the right to live in a house with > everything in good condition." > You should add to that "I have the right to be in debt way over my head". > > Carolewww.conspiracee.com Good post, Carole! 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