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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / March 2008Marcia Ferren
On Feb 7, 1:57 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > On Feb 7, 1:28 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > > On Feb 7, 11:47 am, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > > > On Feb 7, 3:25 am, Anonymous Sender <anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > That's not your history. > > > You do not know what the history of any of these drugged up > > > psychiatric patients is, because, psychiatric patients who have been > > > being continously drugged for many years rarely know their own > > > history, because, A) their memories have been obliterated by the > > > AP's, mood stabilizers, and/or benzo's they munch, OR, B) they > > > have false memories as a result of the stimulants and stimulating AD's > > > they munch, or, C) a combination of A and B. > > > The drugs which the criminal stalker posting under the name "marcia" > > > aka "Marcia Ferrin" takes seems to have resulted in marcia ferrin have > > > no memory of her having cleared the path for her criminal stalking of > > > yours truly, BY, her coercing a multiplicity of innocent others, > > > including you, to unsubscribe from ASD-med by her publishing your > > > real name and address and articles libeling and threatening you. > > > The stimulating antidepressants which Marcia Ferrin munches seems to > > > have caused marcia ferrin to create FALSE MEMORIES which involve > > > yours truly ( who has had ZERO interactions with Marcia Ferrin since > > > Marcia Ferren revealed she's a drugged up psychotic in her initial > > > exchange with yours truly in the summer of 2006) and, a second > > > individual by the name of Brad who more then likely has NEVER had any > > > exchanges or interactions with the drugged up psychotic known as > > > "marcia" aka Marcia Ferrin. > > > Whilst Defamation Laws do afford you the privelege therefore the legal > > > right to mitigate the damages you incurred as a consequence of marcia > > > aka marcia ferrin's publicly libeling you last year, if I were you I > > > would limit my postings wrt "marcia" aka "marcia ferrin" to articles > > > where you expose the drugged up psychotic cyberstalker as the drugged > > > up psychotic cyberstalker she is, without interacting with the > > > drugged up psychotic criminal stalker...personally. > > > Marcia aka marcia ferrin IS drugged up on the same class of drugs > > > which OJ Simpson and ten of thousands of others were drugged up on > > > when they allegedly, or, did in fact murder innocent others. > > > "marcia" aka Marcia Ferrin has publicly proclaimed it's her "criminal > > > intent" to make yours truly "go away". > > > The FBI is and has been forcing citizens of the United State of > > > America to deal with US citizens being criminally stalked by admitted > > > psychotics who A) publicly announce it's their criminal intent to > > > make a particular US citizen "go away", and, B) the psychotic is > > > drugged up on the same exact class of drugs which so many of America's > > > murderers have been on when they murder innocent people. > > > If you are ignorant of the murder, and many other crimes, violent > > > and otherwise, which have been being perpetrated by psychotics on the > > > same class of medication which the criminal stalker known as marcia > > > aka marcia ferrin takes, for your sake, *please* read SSRI Stories. > > > SSRI Stories > > > Antidepressant Nightmareshttp://www.ssristories.com/ > > > Regards, > > > Linda Gore > > > February 7, 2008 > > PS: > > One thing that will likely work in your favor wrt your personal safety > > vis a vis the drugged up psychotic criminal stalker "marcia" aka > > Marcia Ferrin, is that the drugged up psychotic will probably persist > > in criminally stalking yours truly and/or Brad, rather then you, as > > a result of the drugged up psychotics erased memories and/or > > creation of false memories wrt the actual identity of "moo moo" / > > "Red Dog" et al. > > Nonetheless, it IS reckless of you to personally indulge marcia aka > > marcia ferrin or any of the many other drugged up psychotics on SSRI's > > et al wrt their lack of memory and/or their false memories, since the > > SSRI et al class of drugs have been implicated as a class of drugs > > which incite it's users to murder their grandparents, parents, > > spouses, children, brothers, sisters, friends, collegues, > > neighbors, complete strangers, etc., ad nauseum, ad infinitum. > > SEE > > SSRI Stories > > Antidepressant Nightmarehttp://www.ssristories.com/ > The following book may also prove helpful wrt the steps you may need > to take to protect yourself from being yet another statistic wrt the > ongoing slaughter of innocent people being perpetrated by psychotics > drugged up on SSRI et al, such as drugged up, psychotic, serial and > criminal cyberstalker known as "marcia" aka Marcia Ferrin. > The Shooting Drugs - > Prozac and its Generation Exposed on the Internet > Author: Donna Smart > Published: 2000, Revised Printing 2004 > Publisher: PRI Publishing > ISBN # : YES, on back cover > Pages: 373 pages, articles, chat, confess. > Binding: Perfect bound, glossy soft cover > Classification: > Prescription Drug abuse, Prozac - fluoxetine, SSRI drugs; killing, > suicide, depression, clinical symptoms; FDA and Drug company coverups; > Internet chat, personal confessions, alternative medicine, public > action. > hhttp://truebooks.com/prozac.html PPS: The "shooting drugs" popularly known as Effexor, Wellbutrin, were publicly reported as factors in the murders, mayhem and bizarre behaviors perpetrated by users of SSRI et al described in the following newspaper articles. http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=drug Suicide Effexor 2006-05-22 Iraq Iraq Soldier Commits Suicide Murder-Suicide Effexor 2002-01-16 Pennsylvania Five Dead in Murder- Suicide Vehicular Manslaughter Effexor 2002-09-25 Arizona Man's Friend Killed In Car Crash Embezzlement Effexor 2002-11-26 Washington Woman Embezzles $3.7M from Starbucks Murder Effexor 2003-01-07 Maryland 18 Year Old Murders His Best Friend Road Rage Effexor 2006-02-22 Alaska Mutual Road Rage Leads to Death Suicide Effexor 2001-08-24 Mississippi 20 Year Old Commits Suicide Suicidal Behavior Effexor 2005-08-05 Virginia 14 Year Old Girl Suffers Adverse Reaction Suicide Effexor 2006-02-18 England Gardener Hangs Self From Bannister Drunk Driving Effexor 2006-02-17 Oklahoma Coach Charged with Aggravated DUI Adverse Reaction Effexor 2006-05-03 England 40 Year Old Dies of Serotonin Syndrome Manic Spending Spree Effexor 2003-08-12 U.S.A. Man Spends Life Savings & More on Unnecessary Items Murder Effexor 2004-02-27 Pennsylvania Mother Kills her Two Young Children Murder Effexor 2006-06-29 Virginia 15 Year Old Kills Store Clerk Suicide Effexor 2002-08-14 Texas 10 Year Old Boy Hangs Himself Murder Effexor 2004-06-16 Pennsylvania Man Shoots Trucker on Interstate Suicide Effexor 2004-07-03 England Inquest Reports Medicine May Have Exacerbated Illness Murder-Suicide Effexor 2003-07-03 Wisconsin Lieutenant of Detectives Kills Wife & Self Suicide Effexor 2004-09-27 California 14 Year Old Girl Kill Self: Took 4 SSRIs in One Year Murder & Arson Effexor 2004-10-19 Pennsylvania Two Children Dead When Mother Sets House on Fire Adverse Reaction Effexor 2004-11-03 England Girl Dies after Taking One Effexor Tablet Behavioral Change Effexor 2006-01-24 Canada Artist Has Manic Reaction Theft Effexor 2004-11-15 Illinois Woman Steals Vehicle: Hides from Police Suicide Effexor 2005-04-13 Florida 16 Year Old Girl Kills Self: Documentary On Meds for Kids Murder Effexor 2005-12-20 North Carolina Man Shoots Co-Worker Girlfriend Violent Attack Effexor 2005-12-17 New York 20 Year Old Attacks Father with Ax Murder Effexor 2005-12-12 Australia Ambulance Officer Stabs Two After Personality Change Murder; Suicide Attempt Effexor 2005-12-14 Oregon Mother Kills Baby Daughter; Stabs Self Suicide Effexor 2005-12-07 California Med Professionals Bungle Effort to Save Suicide Victim Murder Effexor 2005-08-08 Louisiana Police Officer Shot by Man in 3 Day Effexor Withdrawal Deaths Effexor 2005-08-25 Canada Eighteen Deaths in 10 Years: Not Suicides Murder Effexor 2005-08-30 New York 26 Year Old College Student Kills his Father, a Physician Uncontrolled Temper Effexor 2002-06-07 Arizona Young Man Has Adverse Reaction to Med Murder-Suicide Effexor 2006-09-29 Illinois Man Shoots Wife: Kills Self Suicide Effexor 2006-09-29 California Young Man Kills Self Bizarre Behavior Effexor 2006-10-08 Tennessee Man's Effexor Use Results in his Death Suicide Effexor 2006-01-07 Ohio Young Woman Commits Suicide Two Weeks After Starting Effexor Murder Effexor 2000-04-25 Florida Man Bludgeons Girlfriend Paranoia/Racing Thoughts Effexor 1997-11-02 Massachusetts Woman Has Adverse Reaction to Med Assault/Sexual Effexor 2005-11-30 Canada Man Acquitted for "Sleep Disorder" Murder Effexor 2000-06-21 Florida 68 Year Old Man Kills his Girlfriend Murder Effexor 1999-02-09 Pennsylvania Police Office May Be Charged with Murder in Fatal Shooting Murder-Suicide Effexor 2003-07-30 Wisconsin Retired Police Officer Kills Wife & Self Suicide Effexor 2000-10-31 Arizona 17 Year Old Jumps In Front Of Train Adverse Reaction Effexor 2007-03-30 West Virginia Girl Given Wrong Medication at Pharmacy Death Effexor 2007-04-14 Ohio Overdose of 26 Year Old Results in Death Homicidal Ideation Effexor 2007-05-01 Global ++Package Insert Lists Homicidal Ideation as Adverse Reaction Alcohol Abuse Effexor 2007-05-01 Global ++Alcohol Abuse & "Feeling Drunk" Listed as Side Effects in PDR Death Effexor 2007-05-03 England Man Mixes Effexor with Methadone & Alcohol Unfit to Drive Effexor 2007-06-08 England Singer to Do Community Service: Also Involved Sleeping Pill & GHB Suicide Effexor 2006-01-07 Ohio Parents Tell About Their Daughter's Suicide on Effexor: Give Warning Air Rage/Bomb Threat Effexor 2007-07-27 Washington Doctor Makes Airline Bomb Threats Suicide Effexor 2007-07-27 Pennsylvania Man Commits Suicide: Lawsuit Murder Effexor 2005-11-10 Florida Man Murders his Wife Suicide Effexor 2007-07-15 Illinois Man Commits Suicide: Lawsuit Asks for New Civil Trial Murder Effexor 2007-10-16 California Mother Murders her 9 Year Old Son Adverse Reaction Effexor 2007-10-22 Canada Musician Feels "10 Times Worse" on Effexor Bizarre Behavior Effexor 2007-10-30 England Movie Star Blames Effexor for Bizarre Behavior Conspiracy Effexor 2007-11-01 Pennsylvania Man Aided "The Fort Dix Five": Federal Charges Death Effexor & Aurorix 2006-11-12 Australia Two Dead: One Injured: Serotonin Syndrome Suicide Effexor & Lexapro 2002-12-15 Oklahoma Man Commits Suicide: Lawsuit Suicide Effexor & Lexapro 2004-11-28 Pennsylvania Successful Businessman Deteriorates on Antidepressants/Psych Cocktail: Suicides in Renowned Hospital Adverse Reaction Effexor & Nortriptyline 2006-12-29 England Inmate on Misdemeanor Charges Dies from Cardiac Arrhytmia Murder Attempt-Suicide Attempt Effexor & Paxil* 2003-06-17 Australia *Mother Acquitted by Using SSRI Defense Murder Effexor & Prozac 2004-10-01 Rhode Island Man Kills Two People Suicide Effexor & Prozac 2005-03-20 Nebraska 18 Year Old Kills Himself Murder Effexor & Prozac* 2003-08-06 California 81 Year Old Man Kills Wife of 60 Years Bombing Effexor & Prozac* 1994-05-11 New York N.Y. Subway Bombing: 48 Injured Murder Effexor & Remeron 2000-06-13 Illinois Man Murders Wife of 39 Years Shooting Effexor & Seroquel 2007-10-31 Tennessee 14 Year Old Shoots at Store Clerk Murder Effexor & Wellbutrin 2002-12-09 Massachusettes Woman Murders Friend's 9 Month Old Baby Suicide Effexor & Wellbutrin 2004-10-04 New York 27 Year Old Man Overdoses on Meds Murder Effexor & Wellbutrin 2006-07-30 Ohio Father Drowns Son in Bathtub Suicide Effexor & Zoloft* 2004-10-06 Nebraska 11 Year Old Hangs Himself: Lawsuit Murder Effexor Withdrawal 2005-12-27 Illinois Man Kills Girlfriend Murder Effexor Withdrawal 2006-09-10 Pennsylvania Man Kills Three People Murder Effexor Withdrawal 2006-10-13 England Man Murders Homelss Person Murder Effexor Withdrawal 2007-03-23 Washington Young Woman Kills her Best Friend Bizarre Behavior Effexor Withdrawal 2007-03-28 Canada Man Has Meltdown After Withdrawal from Effexor & Adding Elavil Adverse Side Effects Effexor Withdrawal 2007-05-06 New York Author Endures Agonizing Withdrawal Suicide Effexor Withdrawal 2007-10-15 Florida Artist/ Professor Commits Suicide Suicide Effexor Withdrawal & Steroids 2004-12-21 California Ballplayer Commits Suicide Murder Effexor* 2006-07-10 Texas +Postpartum Depression: Mother Retried for Murder of Five Children Murder Effexor* 2005-09-27 Pennsylvania Man Shoots Trucker Bizarre Behavior Effexor* 2001-08-16 California Psychologist Testifies Effexor Was Cause of Man's Bizarre Behavior Suicide Effexor, Lexapro & Remeron 2004-01-08 Illinois Woman Changes Drastically on Antidepressants: Kills Self Fraud Effexor, Paxil & Zoloft 2004-07-09 Kentucky Attorney to Spend Time in Jail Death Effexor/Psychotropics 2001-04-04 Colorado 10 Year Old Girl Dies During "Rebirthing" Therapy: Meds May Have Been a Factor Murder Attempt Wellbutrin 2003-10-13 Alabama Postpartum Depression: Mother Puts 14 Month Old Daughter in Oven Fraud Wellbutrin 2005-11-10 Virginia Police Worker Sentenced for Faking Cancer, Reaping Benefits Bizarre Behavior Wellbutrin 2005-11-19 New Jersey Man Acting Strangely Shot by Police Psychosis Wellbutrin 2002-04-26 England Woman Goes Insane on Med Murder Wellbutrin 1998-12-02 Michigan 18 Year Old Kills 5 Family Members Suicide Wellbutrin 2006-06-14 Indiana 17 Year Old Goes Crazy and Dies Murder Wellbutrin 1999-08-24 West Virginia 18 Year Old Murders Woman Murder Wellbutrin 2000-03-11 Massachusetts +16 Year Old Girl Kills her Mother, a Psychiatrist Murder Wellbutrin 2000-03-15 Tennessee Man Shoots Fisherman for No Apparent Reason Murder Wellbutrin 2000-06-20 California Man Murders Girlfriend's Husband Death Wellbutrin 2006-11-15 California Woman Has Seizures from Med: Dies from 'Positional Asphyxia' Adverse Reaction Wellbutrin 2000-05-07 U.S.A. Man Becomes Mentally & Physically Sick From Wellbutrin Murder-Suicide Wellbutrin 2007-02-01 Michigan Assistant Principal Murders Two: Kills Self Murder Wellbutrin 2007-02-08 Illinois 18 Year Old Murders His Father Suicide Wellbutrin 2007-02-22 New York Woman College Professor Commits Suicide Suicide-By-Cop Wellbutrin 2007-08-17 Illinois Man Forces Police to Shoot Him Murder Wellbutrin 2007-08-29 Arizona Man Kills Two Year Old Child Parole Violation Wellbutrin 2007-08-30 Texas Man Sent Back to Prison Suicide Wellbutrin 2003-07-15 Massachusetts Woman Given Wellbutrin for Gall Stones: Commits Suicide Panic Attacks Wellbutrin 2004-01-04 New York Physician Suffers Panic Attacks from Wellbutrin Taken For Stress Bizarre Behavior Wellbutrin 2002-04-26 England Woman Becomes Like Someone from "The Exorcist" Road Rage Murder Attempt Wellbutrin & Lexapro 2006-05-09 Utah Woman Tries to Kill Husband by Driving Car Inside Building Emotional Blunting Wellbutrin & SSRIs 2000-05-07 Washington DC Man Loses All Emotions on SSRIs School Threat Wellbutrin Antidepressant 2007-04-24 Tennessee **Young Boy, 12, Threatens to Shoot Others at School Panic Attacks Wellbutrin [Zyban] 2007-05-15 England Man Has Melt Down on Wellbutrin Suicide Wellbutrin [Zyban] Withdrawal 2003-02-24 England 18 Year Old Kills Himself: Coroner Rules Wellbutrin May Have Been a Factor Death Wellbutrin {Zyban} 2001-03-13 England & Canada Twenty-Five Deaths Reported In England & Canada Deaths Wellbutrin* 2006-08-02 Washington DC ++468 Deaths Reported to FDA Thru 2003 : Freedom of Information Murder Attempt Wellbutrin* 2006-02-12 Washington *82 Year Old Man Found Not Guilty: Med Defense Murder Wellbutrin/Serzone* 2006-04-19 Oregon Dentist Stabs Wife to Death > PPS: The "shooting drugs" popularly known as Effexor, Wellbutrin, > were publicly reported as factors in the murders, mayhem and bizarre > behaviors perpetrated by users of SSRI et al described in the > following newspaper articles. Then why haven't I murdered anyone in the five years I've been on Effexor and Wellbutrin? Heck, I haven't even slapped anyone yet. Perhaps you should be nicer to me, Jan. By your and Linda's calculations, I am just a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. <chortle> >> PPS: The "shooting drugs" popularly known as Effexor, Wellbutrin, >> were publicly reported as factors in the murders, mayhem and bizarre [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > <chortle> Thanks for showing you lie. Where did you read any calculations from me? > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks for showing you lie. > Where did you read any calculations from me? It's a *saying*, Jan. You sure obsessed with calling your adversaries liars. >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >It's a *saying*, Jan. You sure obsessed with calling your adversaries >liars. Surely by now you realise that Jan is an ultra-literalist. She has no understanding of metaphor, simile, analogy or any other literary construct.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> "marcia" <desi...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > understanding of metaphor, simile, analogy or any other literary > construct. All that concrete thinking has given her a hard head. ;) >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > It's a *saying*, Jan. Yes, Marcia, YOUR saying and claim. >By your and Linda's calculations, I am just a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Where did you read any calculations from me? You sure obsessed with calling your adversaries > liars. >>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Where did you read any calculations from me? Still waiting for you to answer and proof your claim. > You sure obsessed with calling your adversaries >> liars. > >>> "marcia" <desi...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Still waiting for you to answer and proof your claim. Jan, I don't know why you're waiting for an answer to something I've already answered. Check the thread again. >> >>> "marcia" <desi...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Jan, I don't know why you're waiting for an answer to something I've > already answered. Check the thread again. So, you cannot prove your claims, nor answer. It is not my job to check the thread again. YOU show where you answered. > >> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > So, you cannot prove your claims, nor answer. It is not my job to check > the thread again. YOU show where you answered. It is not my job to point out my answers to you. You check the thread or drop the subject. > > PPS: The "shooting drugs" popularly known as Effexor, Wellbutrin, > > were publicly reported as factors in the murders, mayhem and bizarre [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Perhaps you should be nicer to me, Jan. By your and Linda's > calculations, I am just a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Excellent! No, you can't expect Jan & Linda to act in accordance to their stated beliefs. I believe the word is "hypocrite". > <chortle> "We choose to observe a higher standard" - Chabad Rabbi <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cb744ce4-2c9a-4de4-b644-8b64b3d05a1c@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com... On Feb 25, 4:24 am, marcia <desi...@insight.rr.com> wrote: > On Feb 25, 4:12 am, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Perhaps you should be nicer to me, Jan. By your and Linda's > calculations, I am just a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. *Excellent!* Poor Andrew/aka/ilsa thinks lies are excellent. *No, you can't expect Jan & Linda to act in accordance to their stated beliefs. I believe the word is "hypocrite".* http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c1efd889a7678735 That _IS_ topical and worthy of discussion. Stick with the topic, that works for you & us. > <chortle> *"We choose to observe a higher standard" - Chabad Rabbi* Lies and being a proven hypocrite is a higher standard?! > That _IS_ topical and worthy of discussion. Stick with the topic, > that works for you & us. You've never stuck with the topic hypocrite. You might post snippets of your cut n paste hand job but that is not what you are posting about. Try a little arsenic for your alternative medicine, in fact about 100 milligrams would be fine. It would cure the pain in the a.s for a lot of people. I appreciate your information on people's reactions to prescribed medicine. As I posted the link over in MHA, I wonder how many more people would be questioning their doctors opinions about the drugs they were prescribing to them if they had read this report in the NY Times? Researchers Go Unchecked, Report Says. Those conflicts of interest tend to bother me. I do not know why they do not bother more people. Is it because people have been brainwashed?? We, the people have the right to know. Researchers Go Unchecked, Report Says By GARDINER HARRIS The New York Times January 19, 2008 WASHINGTON -- The National Institutes of Health do almost nothing to monitor the financial conflicts of university professors to whom it provides grants, a government report found, and the huge federal research agency does not want to start now. The agency does not know the number of conflicts or the nature of them, nor does it track how universities and other institutions went about solving those conflicts, according to a report issued Friday by the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services. A top official at the health institutes was unapologetic about its hands-off approach to overseeing the financial conflicts of grantees. "For us to try to manage directly the conflict-of-interest of an N.I.H. investigator would be not only inappropriate but pretty much impossible," said Dr. Norka Ruiz Bravo, the institutes' deputy director for extramural research. The health institutes awarded more than $23 billion last year through over 50,000 competitive grants to more than 325,000 researchers at over 3,000 universities. Each grant typically underwrites only a part of the cost of the research at issue. Universities are increasingly seeking other sources of income to support research, and drug and device makers have become an important resource. But blending these sources of financing can often present researchers with troubling conflicts of interest, and managing such conflicts has become dizzyingly complex. Indeed, academic medicine has become so rife with conflicts of interests in recent years that the Food and Drug Administration has complained that it has difficulty finding experts for its advisory boards who do not have a conflict. Most universities entirely trust their professors to report financial conflicts, and efforts to verify professors' filings are almost unheard of. But there is growing unease about the myriad financial conflicts that some researchers and many doctors routinely participate in. Critics fear that the money may distort research and change the practice of medicine, leading doctors to prescribe more, and more expensive, drugs and devices, sometimes to patients' detriment. Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, said his investigators had uncovered instances in which doctors financed by the health institutes had also taken money from drug makers but did not report the income to their universities. "Universities need to take this issue more seriously," Mr. Grassley said, "and the N.I.H. should monitor its grants more closely for this problem." The health institutes were the subject of an intense Congressional investigation in 2004 and 2005 into the financial conflicts of some of its researchers. As a result, the agency issued one of the toughest conflict-of-interest policies in the world of medical research, banning its researchers from consulting for drug and device makers. But those rules apply only to researchers who work directly for the health institutes. Eighty percent of the agency's $29 billion budget goes to support extramural researchers whose paychecks are largely paid for by universities. The agency provides little direct oversight over this sea of scientists, and it has little interest in doing so. Still, in an effort to assess the size of the problem, the agency asked its 27 institutes and centers to send any conflict-of-interest reports to the Office of Extramural Research, which administers many of its grants. But many of the institutes failed to follow the request, which was not a directive, according to the report. Investigators with the inspector general were able to find just 438 conflict-of-interest reports filed from 2004 through 2006, and 89 percent of them provided no details about the nature of the conflict being reported or how it was managed. Dr. Ruiz Bravo said she believed that the system was nonetheless working well. The health institutes conducted an audit in 2006 of 18 sites and found numerous problems with the way universities handled conflicts of interest, particularly with how well they took account of financial conflicts that arose after a grant was awarded. "I think it is working to the extent that people are being honest," Dr. Ruiz Bravo said, "and I think most people are honest." Dr. Ruiz Bravo said the health institutes would soon mandate that the institutes and centers provide her office with a report about each conflict reported to them by universities. But, she said, these reports will still lack details about the conflicts and how they are managed. Payments generally must exceed $10,000 over a 12-month period before the health institutes consider them a potential conflict. Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company Are you stupid or just dense? Do you see how Marcia is being attacked by those scumbags? You start a thread with her name in the subject line, which is considered to be an attempt to stifle someone's free speech. Do you want to attract more attention to her? > Are you stupid or just dense? Do you see how Marcia is being attacked > by those scumbags? You start a thread with her name in the subject > line, which is considered to be an attempt to stifle someone's free > speech. Do you want to attract more attention to her? My apologies to Debster. I see that this attack thread was started by the Attack Junk Yard Dog. > Are you stupid or just dense? Do you see how Marcia is being attacked > by those scumbags? You start a thread with her name in the subject > line, which is considered to be an attempt to stifle someone's free > speech. Do you want to attract more attention to her? 1. I *didn't* start a thread with her name in it. That is very incorrect. I added to it-just like you did. 2. Stupid or dense - not hardly. What grade are you in anyways?? 3. What, "scumbag" as you call it, started the one with Jan's name in it? 4. No one is stifling anyone's speech. How about not whining for a change? How about leaving out the "aerobics" frame of mind-- no one is impressed, Probert. -- This means no more bending, stretching, and twisting of the story to fit your agenda which would appear to be from what you have written over the years to push prescription drugs. 5. How about an apology for misrepresenting the facts? > > Are you stupid or just dense? Do you see how Marcia is being attacked > > by those scumbags? You start a thread with her name in the subject [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 3. What, "scumbag" as you call it, started the one with Jan's name > in it? Jan was the original "scumbag" who started naming names in her thread (both Mark's and mine), so I started the one with Jan's name in it. After all, turnabout is fair play, according to your rules. > After all, turnabout is fair play, according to your rules. Whatever floats your boat---I would never dream of stiffling anyone's free speech--your right- turnabout is indeed fair play--as long as the information being presented is not twisted, bent, or stretched....the Aerobics class is in Room J - down the hall....you will find the room pretty full! Some there can bend, twist, and stretch much better than others....there is one that makes Atlas look like a midget! have fun... > > After all, turnabout is fair play, according to your rules. > > Whatever floats your boat---I would never dream of stiffling > anyone's free speech--your right- turnabout is indeed fair > play--as long as the information being presented is not > twisted, bent, or stretched.... Strange, you only mention that when you are responding to someone, like Marcia or me. > Strange, you only mention that when you are responding to someone, > like Marcia or me. Not true Probert. > > Strange, you only mention that when you are responding to someone, > > like Marcia or me. > > Not true Probert. That is the way I see it. I'l watch more closely. > That is the way I see it. I'l watch more closely. It really doesn't matter to me, how you see it, because you mean absolutely zero to me. > > That is the way I see it. I'l watch more closely. > > It really doesn't matter to me, how you see it, because you > mean absolutely zero to me. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. > > > That is the way I see it. I'l watch more closely. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. And of course you mean "nothing" to me. Are you attempting to stifle my right to free speech? Do you think by being annoying, you are going to stop me from continuing to reply to you? This is not a moderated board, and you are not in charge. In another thread you have accused Andrew of being a control freak---it is my ever so humble opinion, that the shoe is on the wrong foot. On Feb 27, 4:33 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 27, 1:33 am, Bee <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. And of course you mean "nothing" to me. Are you attempting to stifle my right to free speech? Do you think by being annoying, you are going to stop me from continuing to reply to you? This is not a moderated board, and you are not in charge. In another thread you have accused Andrew of being a control freak---it is my ever so humble opinion, that the shoe is on the wrong foot. ======================================= If you have humility you never/rarely exercise it. > > > > That is the way I see it. I'l watch more closely. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > my > right to free speech? Give it a rest already. I have responded to this whining of yours numerous times. Suffice it to say that you would stifle my right to free speech, while I have offered my life to protect free speech. Do you think by being annoying, you are going > to stop > me from continuing to reply to you? Of course not. First off, I am not annoying. Second, YOU are the one who whines about replies. This is not a moderated board, > and > you are not in charge. You must eat a lot of red herring. In another thread you have accused Andrew of > being > a control freak---it is my ever so humble opinion, that the shoe is on > the wrong > foot.- Actually, it was not Andrew, but Homeo-boy. > Strange, you only mention that when you are responding to someone, > like Marcia or me. Strangely enough you are the only one that yells "veiled threat," that the top of their lungs when somebody writes something you do not like. You remind me so much of Edward L. Benrays. Were you related? > > Strange, you only mention that when you are responding to someone, > > like Marcia or me. > > Strangely enough you are the only one that yells "veiled threat," > that the > top of their lungs when somebody writes something you do not like. You should see what is said about you during the meetings of the Lumber Cartel. > You remind me so much of Edward L. Benrays. Were you related? He should be so lucky. On Feb 26, 5:36 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > You should see what is said about you during the meetings of the > Lumber Cartel. 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear to be having them in your own mind. 2. Even if there was, none of those people what have the email address of lumber cartel that they hide behind mean anything to me. 3. Are you related to Walter Probert, the attorney/ and once law professor at the University of Florida? I think I remember on one of the videos I watched that there was a connection between Walter and Benrays--don't remember the connection. Florida--isn't that where Janet Reno <barf> got her start? > On Feb 26, 5:36 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com" > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear > to be having them in your own mind. In addition to the Lumber Cartel not exisitng, your sense of humor also does not exist. You are another concrete thinker/ > 2. Even if there was, none of those people what have the email > address of lumber cartel that they hide > behind mean anything to me. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. You keep saying that, and you keep on replying. > 3. Are you related to Walter Probert, the attorney/ and once law > professor at the University of Florida? I think I remember on one of > the videos I watched that there was a connection between Walter and > Benrays--don't remember the connection. Florida--isn't that where > Janet Reno <barf> got her start? Why would you "think" I would ever answer that? > > 3. Are you related to Walter Probert, the attorney/ and once law > > professor at the University of Florida? I think I remember on one of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why would you "think" I would ever answer that? Of course Janet Reno got her start in Florida. > > > 3. Are you related to Walter Probert, the attorney/ and once law > > > professor at the University of Florida? I think I remember on one of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Of course Janet Reno got her start in Florida. ? Non sequitur > > > 3. Are you related to Walter Probert, the attorney/ and once law > > > professor at the University of Florida? I think I remember on one of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Of course Janet Reno got her start in Florida. I was not replying to that. > > 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions > > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear > > to be having them in your own mind. > > In addition to the Lumber Cartel not exisitng, your sense of humor > also does not exist. You are another concrete thinker/ I had a great sense of humor, until information that I had been writing in my private emails and from my personal telephone conversations started appearing in bits and pieces in this newsgroup. I had a good sense of humor until I started getting threatening telephone calls. Then there were the posts about where I live--since no one knows where I live, as I have not given anyone that information, it would appear that I am being stalked. Since this is illegal, I filed the appropriate government reports. You, yourself told me in a post that I had not "checked" addresses, as I had claimed, and the only way you would have known that is a keystroke program. You are right, I didn't check. Then you have falsely accused me of having "imaginary friends." Would you like to explain that? Then another poster claimed that I was on "disability." That is also not true, but how it shows up as being true is in my "credit file," and I've just left it there over the years. At the urging of my attorney, and law enforcement, their suggestion, was to make a public statement that cyber stalking is illegal, and stalking someone in their own home is also illegal. I am not involved in any lawsuit, or any illegal activity, and that I have a right to free speech. I pity the individuals that have attempted to post my private whereabouts in these newsgroups. As I said, "Knowledge is power." I guess what bugs you so much is that you have no clue what I know....and I'm going to leave it that way. On Feb 27, 4:34 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions > > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear > > to be having them in your own mind. > > In addition to the Lumber Cartel not exisitng, your sense of humor > also does not exist. You are another concrete thinker/ I had a great sense of humor, until information that I had been writing in my private emails and from my personal telephone conversations started appearing in bits and pieces in this newsgroup. I had a good sense of humor until I started getting threatening telephone calls. Then there were the posts about where I live--since no one knows where I live, as I have not given anyone that information, it would appear that I am being stalked. Since this is illegal, I filed the appropriate government reports. You, yourself told me in a post that I had not "checked" addresses, as I had claimed, and the only way you would have known that is a keystroke program. You are right, I didn't check. Then you have falsely accused me of having "imaginary friends." Would you like to explain that? Then another poster claimed that I was on "disability." That is also not true, but how it shows up as being true is in my "credit file," and I've just left it there over the years. At the urging of my attorney, and law enforcement, their suggestion, was to make a public statement that cyber stalking is illegal, and stalking someone in their own home is also illegal. I am not involved in any lawsuit, or any illegal activity, and that I have a right to free speech. I pity the individuals that have attempted to post my private whereabouts in these newsgroups. As I said, "Knowledge is power." I guess what bugs you so much is that you have no clue what I know....and I'm going to leave it that way. ========================================== You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. You use a MacIntosh which is a mortal sin given the State you reside it. If anyone were stalking you *in* your home you have the right to shoot them and should. Everything you posted about yourself to a public forum is fair game info. The information about although it is missing some info you posted it all by yourself. "Cyber Stalking" is a joke, You cannot make a law about something that does not happen. > ========================================== > You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. Not true. ___________________________________________________________ > You use a MacIntosh which is a mortal sin given the State you reside it. Answer: I have numerous kinds of computers. There's only one reference on "the internet," and that was the picture that Coleah pulled from the Louie Fest I attended up in Tacoma. According to my postings-it shows on my messages that I have a Macintosh-it does not show where I live. It shows that you are posting from an account in Germany. ____________________________________________________________ > If anyone were stalking you *in* your home you have the right to shoot > them and should. Answer: Law enforcement is monitoring us--I'm fine with that. I have plenty of protection. However, the telephone calls are considered stalking, considering, the telephones are not even in my name. And no one has the right to be in my credit file. It is all very simple. _____________________________________________________________ > Everything you posted about yourself to a public forum is fair game > info. The information about although it is missing some info you posted > it all by yourself. Ofcourse- but there is only one thing that was personally posted (the picture that Coleah brought to the newsgroup) that only puts me in Washington for an afternoon in August last year. There have been other posts made to forums that I have had nothing to do with. Do repost where you find other information with this email address or the former yahoo one where I have stated where I live. ________________________________________________________________________________ > "Cyber Stalking" is a joke, You cannot make a law about something that > does not happen. No, it is the law. Google and I shared a conversation this afternoon as well. They have a different opinion about privacy than you apparently do. >> ========================================== >> You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. > > Not true. Google said it was, your posts says it is. > ___________________________________________________________ >> You use a MacIntosh which is a mortal sin given the State you reside [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have a Macintosh-it does not show where I live. It shows that you > are posting from an account in Germany. You are sadly mistaken, it is Italy. > ____________________________________________________________ >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > considering, the telephones are not even in my name. And no one has > the right to be in my credit file. It is all very simple. LOL, The law is not monitoring anything, they have no reason too. Lots of people have the right to be in your credit files. It is all very simple. You may not like it, but it is public knowledge. If you want it private then spend cash only for what you want, pay off all charges, and be very careful of who you do business with, most report income. > _____________________________________________________________ >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Do repost where you find other information with this email address or > the former yahoo one where I have stated where I live. I really do not have the time to look up old posts, nor the inclination. As to your current addy, same thing. I only posted what I did to let you know things are not what you assume or have been told. ________________________________________________________________________________ >> "Cyber Stalking" is a joke, You cannot make a law about something >> that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as well. They have a different opinion about privacy than you > apparently do. Wrong, there is no legal definition, and certainly no federal definition for it so no one can be charged for anything remotely similar. There is a law that does cover certain on line items like in Nevada, but it only pertains to stuff that originates there. Linda made herself liable many, many times. > >> You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. > > > Not true. > > Google said it was, your posts says it is. Google has not said anything of the kind. My posts do not state where I am posting from. Sorry, I do not believe you. ________________________________________________________ > >> You use a MacIntosh which is a mortal sin given the State you reside > >> it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You are sadly mistaken, it is Italy. aioe.org claims it is in Germany when I did a whois. ________________________________________________________ >Frank: LOL, The law is not monitoring anything, they have no reason too. Wrong again. >Frank: Lots of people have the right to be in your credit files. It is all very > simple. > You may not like it, but it is public knowledge. If you want it private > then spend cash only for what you want, pay off all charges, and be very > careful of who you do business with, most report income. NO ONE has the right to be in my credit file unless they are invited in by me, and that hasn't happened. I've opted out of everything. There is also an alert on my file when I made the discovery two months ago that someone had been in my file not unauthorized by me and had been attempting to get credit cards in my name shipped to their address. My ID was also duplicated and used. > I really do not have the time to look up old posts, nor the inclination. > As to your current addy, same thing. I only posted what I did to let you > know things are not what you assume or have been told. No time? That's because there is absolutely nothing on the internet sans the photo from Louie Fest 2007, when I went up to Tacoma for the festival that connects any of my internet postings to the State of Washington. > ___________________________________________________________________________ _____ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pertains to stuff that originates there. Linda made herself liable many, > many times. I have no idea who "Linda" is, where she lives, nor is she my business, and it sounds like she shouldn't be yours either, right? On Feb 27, 6:51 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > >> You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. > > > Not true. > > Google said it was, your posts says it is. Google has not said anything of the kind. My posts do not state where I am posting from. Sorry, I do not believe you. ================================== Makes no difference, "Debbee" what you believe. Facts are facts. ________________________________________________________ > >> You use a MacIntosh which is a mortal sin given the State you > >> reside [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You are sadly mistaken, it is Italy. aioe.org claims it is in Germany when I did a whois. ________________________________________________________ >Frank: LOL, The law is not monitoring anything, they have no reason >too. Wrong again. ======================================= Nope. they do not have the time nor the resources to sit here and monitor everything that goes on in your life. They would need life threatening infor to have cause. >Frank: Lots of people have the right to be in your credit files. It >is all very [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > very > careful of who you do business with, most report income. NO ONE has the right to be in my credit file unless they are invited in by me, and that hasn't happened. I've opted out of everything. There is also an alert on my file when I made the discovery two months ago that someone had been in my file not unauthorized by me and had been attempting to get credit cards in my name shipped to their address. My ID was also duplicated and used. ========================================== I guess you would be surprised who all have access to your credit records. They can be reviewed by quite a few entities. Sorry to here that you've had theft ID happen to you, that can take a few years to clear up. If often happens via a relative or neighbor so shreading everything that can link you is vitally important. > I really do not have the time to look up old posts, nor the > inclination. > As to your current addy, same thing. I only posted what I did to let > you > know things are not what you assume or have been told. No time? That's because there is absolutely nothing on the internet sans the photo from Louie Fest 2007, when I went up to Tacoma for the festival that connects any of my internet postings to the State of Washington. =================================================== My dear, everything you post reeks of Seattle Washington and has since you started posting using Debbee as a nym. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > _____ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > many, > many times. I have no idea who "Linda" is, where she lives, nor is she my business, and it sounds like she shouldn't be yours either, right? =================================== You should never be jumping to conclusion nor make ill founded assumptions. It can get you into trouble and will feed paranoia. > > ========================================== > > You live not far from Bellvue, Washington in the Seattle area. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Tacoma. According to my postings-it shows on my messages that I > have a Macintosh-it does not show where I live. The header in your posts provides an NNTP POsting Host which is as good as an IP these days. There are several GeoLocators which can give a damn good location from that. > > > 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions > > > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I had a great sense of humor, Objection! A fact not in evidence! until information that I had been > writing > in my private emails and from my personal telephone conversations > started appearing in bits and pieces in this newsgroup. Oh? How interesting. What nefarious scheme do you think is at work? I had a good > sense of humor until I started getting threatening telephone > calls. > Then there were the posts about where I live--since no one knows > where I live, as I have not given anyone that information, it would > appear that I am being stalked. So you say. Like your imaginaryfriends? Since this is illegal, I filed the > appropriate government reports. You, yourself told me in a post > that I had not "checked" addresses, as I had claimed, and the only > way you would have known that is a keystroke program. I have absolutely no recollection of that. You are > right, I didn't check. Then you have falsely accused me of having > "imaginary friends." Would you like to explain that? Check the archives. I explained it to you numerous times. Then another > poster claimed that I was on "disability." That is also not true, but > how it shows up as being true is in my "credit file," and I've just > left it there over the years. So, someone did a credit check on you. Someone here did a credit check on me. > At the urging of my attorney, and law enforcement, their > suggestion, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lawsuit, or any illegal activity, and that I have a right to free > speech. Even if you were engaged in unlawful activity, you would have the right to free speech. > I pity the individuals that have attempted to post my private > whereabouts > in these newsgroups. > As I said, "Knowledge is power." Do not try to pass yourself off as the Energizer Bunny in this regard. I guess what bugs you so much is > that > you have no clue what I know....and I'm going to leave it that way. I know you know nothing. And, I am not bugged by you in the slightest. > > 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions > > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear > > to be having them in your own mind. > > In addition to the Lumber Cartel not exisitng, your sense of humor > also does not exist. You are another concrete thinker/ I had a great sense of humor, until information that I had been writing in my private emails and from my personal telephone conversations started appearing in bits and pieces in this newsgroup. I had a good sense of humor until I started getting threatening telephone calls. Then there were the posts about where I live--since no one knows where I live, as I have not given anyone that information, it would appear that I am being stalked. Since this is illegal, I filed the appropriate government reports. You, yourself told me in a post that I had not "checked" addresses, as I had claimed, and the only way you would have known that is a keystroke program. You are right, I didn't check. Then you have falsely accused me of having "imaginary friends." Would you like to explain that? Then another poster claimed that I was on "disability." That is also not true, but how it shows up as being true is in my "credit file," and I've just left it there over the years. At the urging of my attorney, and law enforcement, their suggestion, was to make a public statement that cyber stalking is illegal, and stalking someone in their own home is also illegal. I am not involved in any lawsuit, or any illegal activity, and that I have a right to free speech. I pity the individuals that have attempted to post my private whereabouts in these newsgroups. As I said, "Knowledge is power." I guess what bugs you so much is that you have no clue what I know....and I'm going to leave it that way. >> > 1. There is no Lumber Cartel for starters according to DC Sessions >> > tag line - so if you have meetings in would appear [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > that > you have no clue what I know....and I'm going to leave it that way. =============================================== I do have a clue about what you do not know. Your attempts at intimidation to whomever you were addressing can be used against you. You should know better if you knew anything. > =============================================== > I do have a clue about what you do not know. > > Your attempts at intimidation to whomever you were addressing can be > used against you. You should know better if you knew anything. It is against the law to retaliate against anyone that makes it public knowledge that they have filed law enforcement reports, and that is why I as encouraged by law enforcement to do so. >> =============================================== >> I do have a clue about what you do not know. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > public knowledge that they have filed law enforcement reports, and > that is why I as encouraged by law enforcement to do so. You are speaking of your state law? Certainly not federal. Challenging a person or threats of intimidation can be used against you and nullify your intent. Ask your local LEO if they have ever pursued a case across state lines, and why they didn't. As to retaliation? LOL, what do you think counter suits are? You can get a court order to stop direct communication within your own state only. I'm fairly confident that LEO said you could "try", but I have to tell you most would be laughing behind your back unless you were directly threatened with physical harm or death and then the feds would get involved and rightly so. > As to retaliation? LOL, what do you think counter suits are? > You can get a court order to stop direct communication within your own > state only. Retaliation as in whistle blowing---why are you talking about about counter suits, and lawsuits?? Duh. On Feb 27, 7:01 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > As to retaliation? LOL, what do you think counter suits are? > You can get a court order to stop direct communication within your own > state only. Retaliation as in whistle blowing---why are you talking about about counter suits, and lawsuits?? Duh. ================================= LOL. clueless in Seattle? You've made a quantum leap here over an example. That is unless you are a whistle blower and just exposed yourself to the world for it. Go back and read the post in context and see if it doesn't make sense, just don't jump to conclusions, Debbee. > >> =============================================== > >> I do have a clue about what you do not know. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > threatened with physical harm or death and then the feds would get > involved and rightly so. ________________________________________________________________________________ Frank, I really appreciate your posts. I do not understand how a person that portrays themselves to be living in another country would write the information you are attempting to write about me that is simply not true. When I was having problems a few years ago, I put up (ONE) piece of information on a website with the WRONG information; in the past week, there were a number of people that stepped in the wet paint, and one of them tracked wet paint back to a Carrolltown High School. I had to use Goggle to find out where Carrolltown High School was, in CT of all places. I know *no one* in CT. Do you know anyone, Frank? I've had phone calls from Trenton, NJ, and a place in Michigan, and in Washington State from a motel. I know 'no one' that is staying in a motel in Washington State. All this is particularly of interest to me as to my recent identity theft. The information that the FTC gave me, and banks gave me yesterday are way different than the information that has been presented here. I'm thinking that someone has given you the wrong information, Frank, and you may wish to go back to them, and give them a head's up!! Have a good weekend. > > "Bee" <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Have a good weekend. Why on earth do you suppose you're being stalked like that? Is it related to Usenet posting? I know one other person (Frank knows, too), who has had similar trouble due to Usenet. On Feb 27, 7:01 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > "Bee" <Butterflies2...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > threatened with physical harm or death and then the feds would get > involved and rightly so. ________________________________________________________________________________ Frank, I really appreciate your posts. I do not understand how a person that portrays themselves to be living in another country would write the information you are attempting to write about me that is simply not true. When I was having problems a few years ago, I put up (ONE) piece of information on a website with the WRONG information; in the past week, there were a number of people that stepped in the wet paint, and one of them tracked wet paint back to a Carrolltown High School. I had to use Goggle to find out where Carrolltown High School was, in CT of all places. I know *no one* in CT. Do you know anyone, Frank? I've had phone calls from Trenton, NJ, and a place in Michigan, and in Washington State from a motel. I know 'no one' that is staying in a motel in Washington State. All this is particularly of interest to me as to my recent identity theft. The information that the FTC gave me, and banks gave me yesterday are way different than the information that has been presented here. I'm thinking that someone has given you the wrong information, Frank, and you may wish to go back to them, and give them a head's up!! Have a good weekend. ========================================= I will, thank you. You are making a big mistake giving out any info, deceitful or not. You are also making a huge mistake attempting to tie my into any info you think you have. You are making yourself look like a fool denying that you are in the Seattle area, you post that info with each and every post you make. I have no clue why you mention the FTC, I'm sure they don't have any jurisdiction in the private arena. I also know nothing about your phone calls, but I'd bet that like another person I'm aware of that you are getting calls and not answering them to see who is really there, but you are just going by caller ID info. If so that is a big mistake, some are sales people, some mistaken calls, and some may be really for you, who knows. Don't let your paranoia run away with you "Debbee", learn to recognize the truth so you will not so easily be deceived. > You are making a big mistake giving out any info, deceitful or not. > You are also making a huge mistake attempting to tie my into any info > you think you have. I did not attempt to "tie you" into my my identity theft problem-- however I did tell you that the information you have is incorrect. A "Huge Mistake?" Whatever are you talking about?? Am I to assume that this is a threat to my safety? > You are making yourself look like a fool denying that you are in the > Seattle area, you post that info with each and every post you make. Frank, it is simply "no one's business," where I live. I don't come knocking on anyone else's door nor calling their home and I would the same respect out everyone else here. Do you not agree with this? > I have no clue why you mention the FTC, I'm sure they don't have any > jurisdiction in the private arena. I also know nothing about your phone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sales people, some mistaken calls, and some may be really for you, who > knows. Who said the phone was not being answered anyways? You jumped to a conclusion that did not happen in the way you described. > Don't let your paranoia run away with you "Debbee", learn to recognize > the truth so you will not so easily be deceived. We've never met before, Frank, you may call me, "Bee," and nothing more. On Mar 1, 11:58 am, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > You are making a big mistake giving out any info, deceitful or not. > You are also making a huge mistake attempting to tie my into any info > you think you have. I did not attempt to "tie you" into my my identity theft problem-- however I did tell you that the information you have is incorrect. A "Huge Mistake?" Whatever are you talking about?? Am I to assume that this is a threat to my safety? ========================== That is your paranoia speaking. I would never have thought of it that way. > You are making yourself look like a fool denying that you are in the > Seattle area, you post that info with each and every post you make. Frank, it is simply "no one's business," where I live. I don't come knocking on anyone else's door nor calling their home and I would the same respect out everyone else here. Do you not agree with this? ============================= Makes no diff to me, so why did you lie about it? > I have no clue why you mention the FTC, I'm sure they don't have any > jurisdiction in the private arena. I also know nothing about your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sales people, some mistaken calls, and some may be really for you, who > knows. Who said the phone was not being answered anyways? You jumped to a conclusion that did not happen in the way you described. ============================= LOL, did you miss the "if so"? You jumped to a conclusion due to not using reading comprehension. > Don't let your paranoia run away with you "Debbee", learn to recognize > the truth so you will not so easily be deceived. We've never met before, Frank, you may call me, "Bee," and nothing more. ============================= So why then did you post using "Debbee"? I have a feeling you've posted under a dfferent name. Then again maybe Debbie or Debby from Seattle and possibly from a trailer park, maybe with a then young boy and ferrets? I don't know Something about writing a book with hacker secrets and names and all that? It all seems a bit fishy. Are you going to write a book about ID theft? > That is your paranoia speaking. I would never have thought of it that > way. I'm not paranoid, Frank. I'm cautious. There's a big difference between paranoid and being cautious. > ============================= > Makes no diff to me, so why did you lie about it? Of course it would appear to make a huge difference to you and several of the others here where I live. I've been asked several times, and it simply is not anyone's business, PERIOD. I do have my right to privacy, as I do freedom of expression, and freedom of the press. > LOL, did you miss the "if so"? You jumped to a conclusion due to not > using reading comprehension. LOL back at you. I saw what you alluded to that you thought I was doing, referencing back to another poster. I just wanted to make sure you knew differently. The last one hung up on the person that answered the phone. How rude. > > Don't let your paranoia run away with you "Debbee", learn to recognize > > the truth so you will not so easily be deceived. I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm cautious. > So why then did you post using "Debbee"? I am posting using "BEE," got a problem with that? > I have a feeling you've posted under a dfferent name. Then again maybe > Debbie or Debby from Seattle and possibly from a trailer park, maybe > with a then young boy and ferrets? I don't know > Something about writing a book with hacker secrets and names and all > that? It all seems a bit fishy. Trailer Park, now that is funny!! I've never lived in one before, have you? Your fishing trip is funny---but not in the real world. Writing a book about hacker secrets and names and all that? That's even funnier. > Are you going to write a book about ID theft? Now where would you get that idea? On Mar 1, 1:42 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > That is your paranoia speaking. I would never have thought of it that > way. I'm not paranoid, Frank. I'm cautious. There's a big difference between paranoid and being cautious. ======================== Not when you take a huge disconnect and try to somehow link me to it. > ============================= > Makes no diff to me, so why did you lie about it? Of course it would appear to make a huge difference to you and several of the others here where I live. I've been asked several times, and it simply is not anyone's business, PERIOD. I do have my right to privacy, as I do freedom of expression, and freedom of the press. ======================================= ROTFLOL Really? So why do you post in a worldwide public forum and dole out personal information? You do realize that not everyone posting here has a garaunteed right to free speech, don't you? Most do *not* have the right to privacy, and the press has the freedom to print whatsoever the government tells them is fit. It doesn't matter to most where they are from nor who they are posting to is from, at least not until they make an issue out of their so-called privacy and feedom of crapola while they ignorantly post to a wild west type of thing like the Usenet. A wise and private person should learn about what they are doing and not be taken off guard due to ignorance. A child will hold their hand over their eye's to hid, claiming you can't see me now, and similarly you claim the same when you post. Learn that and then adjust. > LOL, did you miss the "if so"? You jumped to a conclusion due to not > using reading comprehension. LOL back at you. I saw what you alluded to that you thought I was doing, referencing back to another poster. I just wanted to make sure you knew differently. The last one hung up on the person that answered the phone. How rude. ================================ Did you wait too long to answer? > > Don't let your paranoia run away with you "Debbee", learn to > > recognize > > the truth so you will not so easily be deceived. I'm not paranoid in the slightest. I'm cautious. ================================ ;) > So why then did you post using "Debbee"? I am posting using "BEE," got a problem with that? ================================ It seems you must. > I have a feeling you've posted under a dfferent name. Then again maybe > Debbie or Debby from Seattle and possibly from a trailer park, maybe > with a then young boy and ferrets? I don't know > Something about writing a book with hacker secrets and names and all > that? It all seems a bit fishy. Trailer Park, now that is funny!! I've never lived in one before, have you? Your fishing trip is funny---but not in the real world. Writing a book about hacker secrets and names and all that? That's even funnier. =================================== Fishing trip? Allow me to make this simple, other than using Debbee as a nym have you posted to the Usenet using any other name/nym or whatever? > Are you going to write a book about ID theft? Now where would you get that idea? ================================ One never knows till they ask, there is no harm in asking nor assumptions made, unless the question were asked in the form of a statement. So why did you ask another question? To avoid answering? or just to extend the conversation? > Not when you take a huge disconnect and try to somehow link me to it. I did not link you to it period. This is what I wrote word for word. >>>>>LOL back at you. I saw what you alluded to that you thought I was doing, referencing back to another poster. I just wanted to make sure you knew differently. The last one hung up on the person that answered the phone. How rude.<<<<<< 1. You were not with us when the phone was answered. 2. You did answer the telephone. 3. You referenced another poster, and I referenced that same poster back. 4. There is no reference of linking you to the hang up of the call, PERIOD. ************************************************************************************** > ROTFLOL > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > press has the freedom to print whatsoever the government tells them is > fit. I have no "doled out" any private information, other than what I have experienced. I've read other's websites and I understand from reading those sites that those individuals have had similar problems. You do have your right to free speech, but you also, as a Goggle member have to adhere to their privacy policy regarding other's privacy. There is nothing that pops up anywhere that has my personal whereabouts, and I like it that way. I have the right to privacy, just as much as you do, right? **************************************************************************************************** > It doesn't matter to most where they are from nor who they are posting > to is from, at least not until they make an issue out of their so-called > privacy and feedom of crapola while they ignorantly post to a wild west > type of thing like the Usenet. Why aren't you looking for where anyone else lives, and attempting to violate their right to privacy too? There are some of us that enjoy some alternative medicine, and have used it to get back to better health. I also understand there are people that oppose it, and that's their opinion. I happen not to be able to use a whole lot of conventional medicine, and it isn't necessarily by choice. ***************************************************************************************************** > A wise and private person should learn about what they are doing and not > be taken off guard due to ignorance. A child will hold their hand over > their eye's to hid, claiming you can't see me now, and similarly you > claim the same when you post. Learn that and then adjust. What are you talking about? That makes zero sense to me. ************************************************************************* > Did you wait too long to answer? I was not the one to answer the telephone. ************************************************************************** > Fishing trip? > > Allow me to make this simple, other than using Debbee as a nym have you > posted to the Usenet using any other name/nym or whatever? As Google suggested on Thursday, please have the poster refer to Google's privacy policy. It is not your business, PERIOD. It isn't even your business, if my name is, or my name is not Debbee, or if it is really BEE. ______________________________________________________________________ > One never knows till they ask, there is no harm in asking nor > assumptions made, unless the question were asked in the form of a > statement. > So why did you ask another question? To avoid answering? or just to > extend the conversation? Shall we go back to the limiting of freedom of expressions? |
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