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Carole - 23 Feb 2008 17:44 GMT
Hey gang,
What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com

They're easy enough to get and relatively inexpensive.
However, a person doesn't "own" a domain name, just the right to use it.

But seriously, what pisses me off is people who buy up these domain names
and then put advertising on them, just so they look like they are being
used. Because one of the conditions of use is that a domain name has to be
used.

I'm surprised that more people don't set up their own websites -- its not
hard. Well I guess that's easy for me to say seeing that I've got so much
history working with computers, plus part of a computing degree which I
later dropped out of.

Anyway, I think I've got enough information to have a whole website devoted
to the soil theory, as opposed to the germ theory. At the moment I've got
the domain name parked at my soil theory page of my cellsalts website, but
later on will probably get a whole new website going on the topic.

There seems to be a crying need for information on the soil theory, ie in
layman's language.
And that's the trouble with so much information, nobody can understand it --
it all gets a bit too convoluted for the average joe blow. No wonder its all
left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter than the man on the
street, they just learn the jargon or the lingo and make it sound like they
know more, while all the time they merely spout what they read from the
establishment approved textbooks, and that is how they pass their exams and
become "experts".

Let's face it there are websites on everything but the soil theory -
homeopathy has been flogged to within an inch of its life and nobody is much
the wiser for it.
But on the other hand, there is one thing about homeopathy that seems to get
entirely overlooked, and that is how the bloody hell does it work? The
naysayers say that it doesn't, that's its all placebo. But they'd be a
boring pack of dullards unable to put 2+2 together to same their lives.

So I will be concentrating on the soil theory a little for a while, which is
a very interesting topic.
This topic includes 150 years of suppression, acidosis or acidity, the role
of microbes (germs, bacteria and fungi) in returning what is dead or dying
back to the soil, toxemia, pleomorphism and suppression of the theory in
favour of the germ theory, which equates to killing the flies instead of
cleaning up the rubbish dump.

Carole
www.soiltheory.com  --the new domain name
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 23 Feb 2008 20:56 GMT
>Hey gang,
>What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>There seems to be a crying need for information on the soil theory, ie in
>layman's language.

You think there are that many people with a morbid fascination for
insanity?

>And that's the trouble with so much information, nobody can understand it --
>it all gets a bit too convoluted for the average joe blow.

What do you mean, nobody can understand it? You're projecting here
Carole. I mean, you can't even understand the definition of 'insect'
(you called worms insects, remember). So I'm curious what height of
stupidity you're going to reach with this site.

> No wonder its all left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter than the man on the
>street, they just learn the jargon or the lingo and make it sound like they
>know more, while all the time they merely spout what they read from the
>establishment approved textbooks, and that is how they pass their exams and
>become "experts".

They may not be smarter than the man on the street, but face it
Carole, nobody can know everything. You have to leave certain things
to experts simply because you only have one lifetime.

>Let's face it there are websites on everything but the soil theory -
>homeopathy has been flogged to within an inch of its life and nobody is much
>the wiser for it.

Yes, that's because it was bs 200 years ago and it still is. No amount
of flogging is going to change that. Although I wouldn't mind flogging
some homeopaths, like the ones that are treating AIDS right now in
Africa.

>But on the other hand, there is one thing about homeopathy that seems to get
>entirely overlooked, and that is how the bloody hell does it work?

Yes Carole, why don't *you* explain how it works. Of course, after you
have proven it does work. Start with proving that taking straight
bicarb causes underarm odour. Or have you done that experiment
already?

>The naysayers say that it doesn't, that's its all placebo.

No they're not. There are plenty more reasons why ineffective
treatments may seem to work beside the placebo effect.

> But they'd be a boring pack of dullards unable to put 2+2 together to same their lives.
>
>So I will be concentrating on the soil theory a little for a while, which is
>a very interesting topic.
>This topic includes 150 years of suppression, acidosis or acidity, the role
>of microbes (germs, bacteria and fungi)

Where's the parasites, like lice? (hint: lice are not germs, bacteria
or fungi)

> in returning what is dead or dying
>back to the soil, toxemia, pleomorphism and suppression of the theory in
>favour of the germ theory, which equates to killing the flies instead of
>cleaning up the rubbish dump.

Carole, another poor soul lost in analogies.

>Carole
>www.soiltheory.com  --the new domain name
>www.cellsalts.net
Carole - 24 Feb 2008 16:39 GMT
> >Hey gang,
> >What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> You think there are that many people with a morbid fascination for
> insanity?

That's just your opinion Martin.

> >And that's the trouble with so much information, nobody can understand it --
> >it all gets a bit too convoluted for the average joe blow.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (you called worms insects, remember). So I'm curious what height of
> stupidity you're going to reach with this site.

What I mean is layman's language.
What really annoys me is when people refer to starfish and other little sea
critters as animals.
Strictly speaking I don't consider worms at insects, and yes, I know insects
have six legs.

> > No wonder its all left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter than the man on the
> >street, they just learn the jargon or the lingo and make it sound like they
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Carole, nobody can know everything. You have to leave certain things
> to experts simply because you only have one lifetime.

That's right Martin, nobody can know everything.
However, I will get back to basics and approach it in a simple manner to
demonstrate that the "experts" have got it wrong, despite all their years of
hard study, voluminous textbooks and years devoted to learning jargon.

> >Let's face it there are websites on everything but the soil theory -
> >homeopathy has been flogged to within an inch of its life and nobody is much
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> some homeopaths, like the ones that are treating AIDS right now in
> Africa.

I haven't heard about the homeopaths in Africa.
However, AIDS is a mysterious disease and I don't know what to make of it.
There are different points of view about what it is and how to treat it.

> >But on the other hand, there is one thing about homeopathy that seems to get
> >entirely overlooked, and that is how the bloody hell does it work?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bicarb causes underarm odour. Or have you done that experiment
> already?

The only thing that I really know about homeopathy is that it has nothing of
the original substance left in the concoction, and that it works. So it is a
mystery. But on the other hand I don't feel like learning a lot about it
such as how to correctly diagnose, because I think that can be done more
effectively these days with a computer program rather than taking case
histories and spending time analysing the results.
Besides, I'm really into cellsalts, but each to their own and I think its
fascinating all the same.
I'd like to know how it works but current science is hopelessly inadequate
for such things -- no doubt due to the stuff-up by excluding any concept of
the ether.

> >The naysayers say that it doesn't, that's its all placebo.
>
> No they're not. There are plenty more reasons why ineffective
> treatments may seem to work beside the placebo effect.

You mean manipulation of statistics?

> > But they'd be a boring pack of dullards unable to put 2+2 together to same their lives.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Where's the parasites, like lice? (hint: lice are not germs, bacteria
> or fungi)

Yes, human parasites are due to toxemia too.

> > in returning what is dead or dying
> >back to the soil, toxemia, pleomorphism and suppression of the theory in
> >favour of the germ theory, which equates to killing the flies instead of
> >cleaning up the rubbish dump.
>
> Carole, another poor soul lost in analogies.

Or not ( ie lost in analogies ) ... whatever the case may be.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com  -- the new domain name
D. C. Sessions - 24 Feb 2008 18:21 GMT
>> Where's the parasites, like lice? (hint: lice are not germs, bacteria
>> or fungi)
>
> Yes, human parasites are due to toxemia too.

Easy enough to prove relatively harmlessly.
You take your cellsalt cure for ticks, gnats, and mosquitos
then go out for a day in the tall grass next to the swamp.
Show the world that you don't have any bites.

For that matter, there are plenty of labs that have the
little suckers available in jars, you can just do the
"insect repellent ad" film and put it up for us.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
The One True Zhen Jue - 24 Feb 2008 18:52 GMT
> In message <47c19dc5$0$27312$5a62a...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Carole wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> little suckers available in jars, you can just do the
> "insect repellent ad" film and put it up for us.

Carole on YouTube?  Que Cosa Mas Grande!

> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> |    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Carole - 24 Feb 2008 19:16 GMT
> >> Where's the parasites, like lice? (hint: lice are not germs, bacteria
> >> or fungi)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> then go out for a day in the tall grass next to the swamp.
> Show the world that you don't have any bites.

As far as I'm concerned the cellsalt cure for athletes foot is enough to
prove my point.
All your allopathic remedies involve some sort of antifungal treatments or
poisons.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
Martin - 24 Feb 2008 20:06 GMT
>> In message <47c19dc5$0$27312$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>Carole wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>As far as I'm concerned the cellsalt cure for athletes foot is enough to
>prove my point.

You really do know that your cellsalts don't work, don't you. The
psychological defense mechanisms are all too obvious. I'm asking you
again Carole, please seek out a local skeptics group. They have lots
of people who were once like you and they would be very willing to
support you going through the difficult time of losing your comforting
delusions and moving toward a reality based life.

>All your allopathic remedies involve some sort of antifungal treatments or
>poisons.
>
>Carole
>www.cellsalts.net
Peter Bowditch - 25 Feb 2008 04:04 GMT
>>> In message <47c19dc5$0$27312$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>>Carole wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>support you going through the difficult time of losing your comforting
>delusions and moving toward a reality based life.

Carole - if you are in Sydney I invite you to invest $40 and come to
the Skeptics' Dinner at Chatswood on March 8. While there you will
hear about how easy it is to fool people. The speaker has even
suggested the question: "What can we learn from the mistakes of others
and ourselves?".

https://secure5.ozhosting.com/skeptics/shop/sydneydinner0803.htm

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Carole - 26 Feb 2008 21:55 GMT
> >> In message <47c19dc5$0$27312$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> >Carole wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> You really do know that your cellsalts don't work, don't you.

No, neither do you.

> The
> psychological defense mechanisms are all too obvious. I'm asking you
> again Carole, please seek out a local skeptics group. They have lots
> of people who were once like you and they would be very willing to
> support you going through the difficult time of losing your comforting
> delusions and moving toward a reality based life.

Join it yourself, you're the one living in dreamland.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
D. C. Sessions - 27 Feb 2008 17:16 GMT
>> >> Where's the parasites, like lice? (hint: lice are not germs, bacteria
>> >> or fungi)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> All your allopathic remedies involve some sort of antifungal treatments or
> poisons.

So, summing up:
* According to you, any itch of the feet is "athlete's foot"
* You tried homeopathic calcium supplements when your feet
 itched, and some time later they didn't itch
* You conclude from this that your "cure" for lice (also
 calcium, interestingly) also works, and
* That there is no need to test the "cure" for gnats,
 mosquitos, etc. also because of the foot itch.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Martin - 24 Feb 2008 20:03 GMT
>> >Hey gang,
>> >What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>What really annoys me is when people refer to starfish and other little sea
>critters as animals.

Carole, I hate to tell you, but a starfish *is* an animal.

>Strictly speaking I don't consider worms at insects, and yes, I know insects
>have six legs.

Strictly speaking? Carole, I think that your definition of 'layman's
language' is 'imprecise language'. Do you really think laymen are so
stupid that they can not understand the difference between insects and
worms? Or the definition of 'animal'?

>> > No wonder its all left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter
>than the man on the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>demonstrate that the "experts" have got it wrong, despite all their years of
>hard study, voluminous textbooks and years devoted to learning jargon.

Yes, pulling stuff out of your arse trumps all other knowledge for
you, we know.

>> >Let's face it there are websites on everything but the soil theory -
>> >homeopathy has been flogged to within an inch of its life and nobody is
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>I haven't heard about the homeopaths in Africa.

Read this and you'll know:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/02/irresponsibility_to_the_nth_power_home
op.php


>However, AIDS is a mysterious disease and I don't know what to make of it.

It's not mysterious. It's caused by a virus, the infection vectors are
clear. It's just very hard to treat. Evolution did a great job on HIV.

>There are different points of view about what it is and how to treat it.

Yes there are, the scientific view that has changed AIDS from a
deathsentence into a manageble chronic condition and the quackview
that kills.

>> >But on the other hand, there is one thing about homeopathy that seems to
>get
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>for such things -- no doubt due to the stuff-up by excluding any concept of
>the ether.

So you still haven't done that very quick and easy experiment with
bicarb.

>> >The naysayers say that it doesn't, that's its all placebo.
>>
>> No they're not. There are plenty more reasons why ineffective
>> treatments may seem to work beside the placebo effect.
>
>You mean manipulation of statistics?

No Carole, try quackwatch, they're listed and explained there, in
laymans terms, without referring to any 'corrupted' science, only
common sense.

>> > But they'd be a boring pack of dullards unable to put 2+2 together to
>same their lives.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Yes, human parasites are due to toxemia too.

Why don't the toxins kill those parasites? And why do lice leave
humans at the first sign of disease?

>> > in returning what is dead or dying
>> >back to the soil, toxemia, pleomorphism and suppression of the theory in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>www.cellsalts.net
>www.soiltheory.com  -- the new domain name
drceephd@insightbb.com - 24 Feb 2008 20:19 GMT
.

> It's not mysterious. It's caused by a virus, the infection vectors are
> clear. It's just very hard to treat. Evolution did a great job on HIV.

 UHHmmm, a virus??  Think retro-virus dummshit.

> Yes there are, the scientific view that has changed AIDS from a
> deathsentence into a manageble chronic condition and the quackview
> that kills.

Watch "Deconstructing the myth of AIDS" by Gary Null and then tell us
how quack logic can cover up your lies.  Duesburg and others are
correct.  AIDS is a hoax.  It should be called DIDS for Drug Induced
Deficiency Syndrome, and another bonanza of research dollars for the
medical monopoly experts who survive on lies and deceit.

The AIDS hoax exists mainly to help depopulate many 3rd world
countries and keep the inept cancer researchers at work.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to maim and
kill )
Martin - 25 Feb 2008 18:39 GMT
>.
>>
>> It's not mysterious. It's caused by a virus, the infection vectors are
>> clear. It's just very hard to treat. Evolution did a great job on HIV.
>>
>  UHHmmm, a virus??  Think retro-virus dummshit.

And a retro-virus is not a virus, Mr. Pottymouth?

>> Yes there are, the scientific view that has changed AIDS from a
>> deathsentence into a manageble chronic condition and the quackview
>> that kills.
>
>Watch "Deconstructing the myth of AIDS" by Gary Null and then tell us
>how quack logic can cover up your lies.  

Well, at least you don't call him Dr. Null

> Duesburg and others are correct.  AIDS is a hoax.  It should be called DIDS for Drug Induced
>Deficiency Syndrome, and another bonanza of research dollars for the
>medical monopoly experts who survive on lies and deceit.

Sure, all those people who where dying from it when they didn't even
know what it was died from all the anti-viral drugs, which they didn't
have back then. Isn't the world a mysterious place sometimes?

>The AIDS hoax exists mainly to help depopulate many 3rd world
>countries and keep the inept cancer researchers at work.
>
>DrCee
>Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to maim and
>kill )
D. C. Sessions - 24 Feb 2008 20:53 GMT
> Strictly speaking? Carole, I think that your definition of 'layman's
> language' is 'imprecise language'. Do you really think laymen are so
> stupid that they can not understand the difference between insects and
> worms? Or the definition of 'animal'?

You're remarkably restrained today.

IMHO it's more like, "fantasy-driven making it up as she
goes."

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
D. C. Sessions - 24 Feb 2008 20:55 GMT
>>There are different points of view about what it is and how to treat it.
>
> Yes there are, the scientific view that has changed AIDS from a
> deathsentence into a manageble chronic condition and the quackview
> that kills.

You overlook the ever-popular, "River in Egypt" approach.
Same outcome, but sufficiently distinct to deserve its own
category.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Richard Schultz - 25 Feb 2008 06:00 GMT
: Carole, I hate to tell you, but a starfish *is* an animal.

Oh come off it Martin -- you didn't hate telling her that any more
than I did.

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Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Carole - 26 Feb 2008 22:13 GMT
> >> What do you mean, nobody can understand it? You're projecting here
> >> Carole. I mean, you can't even understand the definition of 'insect'
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Carole, I hate to tell you, but a starfish *is* an animal.

No creature that lives in the sea to me is an animal, and I will continue to
refer to it only as a sea creature.

> >Strictly speaking I don't consider worms at insects, and yes, I know insects
> >have six legs.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> stupid that they can not understand the difference between insects and
> worms? Or the definition of 'animal'?

I should have said parasites, but was thinking in particular of nits which
are of course, insects.
Parasite is the coverall word to describe what I meant to say although I
only have limited experience in my range of parasites, and I am only
thinking about human parasites.
Although I do think what I know could have implications for agriculture.
Instead of farmers using sheep dip which obviously is a poison, they could
adjust the feed of their sheep to include the missing minerals ie calcium,
sodium and potassium. Although sheep lice mightn't be the same as people
lice, but I suspect they are the same.

> >> > No wonder its all left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter
> >than the man on the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Yes, pulling stuff out of your arse trumps all other knowledge for
> you, we know.

The researchers are denied to be able to do certain experiments that would
prove or disprove things.
Experimentation is only permitted along certain lines.
And peer review is no more reliable than a throw of the dice.

> >> >Let's face it there are websites on everything but the soil theory -
> >> >homeopathy has been flogged to within an inch of its life and nobody is
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Read this and you'll know:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/02/irresponsibility_to_the_nth_power_
homeop.php

> >However, AIDS is a mysterious disease and I don't know what to make of it.
>
> It's not mysterious. It's caused by a virus, the infection vectors are
> clear. It's just very hard to treat. Evolution did a great job on HIV.

AIDS is probably a manmade disease.

> >There are different points of view about what it is and how to treat it.
>
> Yes there are, the scientific view that has changed AIDS from a
> deathsentence into a manageble chronic condition and the quackview
> that kills.

> >> >But on the other hand, there is one thing about homeopathy that seems to
> >get
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> >for such things -- no doubt due to the stuff-up by excluding any concept of
> >the ether.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com   -- the new domain name
Martin - 27 Feb 2008 15:43 GMT
>> >> What do you mean, nobody can understand it? You're projecting here
>> >> Carole. I mean, you can't even understand the definition of 'insect'
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>No creature that lives in the sea to me is an animal, and I will continue to
>refer to it only as a sea creature.

It's clear you really are living in another dimension from the rest of
us. The definition of animal Carole, is a multicellular lifeform with
eukariotic cells (meaning it's cells have a nucleus) that doesn't use
photosynthesis to obtain their energy. That would be a plant. Animals
can be divided into see animals and land animals, but they're all
animals.

>> >Strictly speaking I don't consider worms at insects, and yes, I know
>insects
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I should have said parasites, but was thinking in particular of nits which
>are of course, insects.

Worms are not what is called 'obligate ectoparasites'. Worms live on
many things in the soil and don't need to feed on other animals. Nits,
or rather, lice, *have* to, they have no other way of getting any
food.

>Parasite is the coverall word to describe what I meant to say although I
>only have limited experience in my range of parasites, and I am only
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>adjust the feed of their sheep to include the missing minerals ie calcium,
>sodium and potassium.

So you not only want humans to suffer, but sheep as well.

> Although sheep lice mightn't be the same as people lice, but I suspect they are the same.

There are over 3000 different species of lice. Oh, and lice are
animals.

>> >> > No wonder its all left to the "experts" who really aren't any smarter
>> >than the man on the
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>The researchers are denied to be able to do certain experiments that would
>prove or disprove things.

Like you deny yourself the experiment with bicarb that would prove or
disprove things?

>Experimentation is only permitted along certain lines.

Yes, you definately do not permit yourself to do any experiment that
might prove you wrong.

>And peer review is no more reliable than a throw of the dice.
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/02/irresponsibility_to_the_nth_power_
>homeop.php

Did you read that?

>> >However, AIDS is a mysterious disease and I don't know what to make of
>it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>AIDS is probably a manmade disease.

Even if it is, it's not mysterious. In fact, if it's manmade it's not
mysterious at all since there are people who know exactly what it is.
After all, they made it.

>> >There are different points of view about what it is and how to treat it.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>www.cellsalts.net
>www.soiltheory.com   -- the new domain name
D. C. Sessions - 27 Feb 2008 17:06 GMT
> There are over 3000 different species of lice. Oh, and lice are
> animals.

Quite a few are human parasites, but interestingly enough
they're so specialized that head lice (for instance) can't
colonize body hair, pubic lice can't colonize underarm
hair, etc.

And you'll note that Carole still hasn't told us which
cell salts will keep away various flying parasites such
as mosquitos, biting gnats, etc.  Pity that, since she
is passing up such a golden opportunity to prove (with
videos!) how well her remedies work.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Carole - 01 Mar 2008 17:53 GMT
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:13:14 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au>

> >No creature that lives in the sea to me is an animal, and I will continue to
> >refer to it only as a sea creature.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> can be divided into see animals and land animals, but they're all
> animals.

Sorry, it just doesn't sound right.
Not only must things be right, but they must sound right.
There is no way I would call a starfish, or a seahorse, or a mullosc, or
even a snail an animal. So just drop it.

> >> >Strictly speaking I don't consider worms at insects, and yes, I know
> >insects
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> or rather, lice, *have* to, they have no other way of getting any
> food.

Many types of worms are parasites to humans.

> >Parasite is the coverall word to describe what I meant to say although I
> >only have limited experience in my range of parasites, and I am only
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> So you not only want humans to suffer, but sheep as well.

Have you got some hidden medical condition that you are searching for an
answer for?
It seems that way to me.

> Like you deny yourself the experiment with bicarb that would prove or
> disprove things?

www.einsteinconspiracy.co.uk
"We have been greatly deceived. We have been led to believe that modern
theory is supported by experiments, but we have not been told that the
experiments that can disprove modern theory have been denied from being
conducted.

"This now requires a complete change in our mind-sets. What we have been led
to believe about science has been a delusion. We are denied the experiments
to prove modern theory wrong. It requires a complete break with the myths
that we have been led to believe in the 20th century as regards Einstein and
the development of modern physics theory. Bear in mind that having been
denied experimental evidence in my theorising, by what has turned out to be
a conspiracy, I have had to abandon theorising, and instead play the role of
a detective in piecing together the clues left from history as to the real
events at a scene of a crime. The relevant events start from 1925 which
resulted in the physics community rejecting the physics that Einstein was
advocating, in favour of another theory. "

> >Experimentation is only permitted along certain lines.
>
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>
> Did you read that?

No -- I haven't got the time.

> >> >However, AIDS is a mysterious disease and I don't know what to make of
> >it.
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> mysterious at all since there are people who know exactly what it is.
> After all, they made it.

If it was made by the US government, what does it say about the system that
controls our lives?
That you are living under a delusion, that on the one hand they are supposed
to be looking after the people, but on the other hand they are working out
how to kill them?

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com   -- the new domain name
David Wright - 03 Mar 2008 03:20 GMT
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:13:14 +1100, "Carole" <hubbca@iimetro.com.au>
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>There is no way I would call a starfish, or a seahorse, or a mullosc, or
>even a snail an animal. So just drop it.

How about a whale, Carole?  Or a seal?  Think they might be animals?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
                                                       -- Bill Maher
Richard Schultz - 25 Feb 2008 05:58 GMT
: What really annoys me is when people refer to starfish and other little sea
: critters as animals.

The great thing about Carole is that there is never any doubt that no matter
how difficult it appears, she will eventually manage to top herself.  I
think that we can all agree that this one's a keeper.

: That's right Martin, nobody can know everything.
: However, I will get back to basics and approach it in a simple manner to
: demonstrate that the "experts" have got it wrong, despite all their years of
: hard study, voluminous textbooks and years devoted to learning jargon.
You mean those "experts" who mistakenly believe that silicon, silicone,
and silica are different things?

-----
Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Gentlemen, Ciccolini here may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot,
but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."
Peter Moran - 23 Feb 2008 22:00 GMT
> Hey gang,
> What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> devoted
> to the soil theory, as opposed to the germ theory.

The very first thing you should understand about the so-called "soil theory"
is that it is NOT opposed to the so-called "germ theory".   If it were not
for the existence and pathogenicity (look it up) of bacteria, ricketsiae,
viruses and protozoa,  there would be no need to ever worry about "the soil"
and there would be no such things as smallpox, measles, rabies, AIDs,
whooping cough, polio, malaria etc.

The "soil" is merely one side of a very complex set of influences, which
even includes the ability of bacteria and viruses to evolve, finding ways of
evading body defenses so as to invade the "soil" regardless of anything we
can do.

So while it is true that the quality of the immune system and malnutrition
and other factors play a part in determining resistance to infection these
are neither as manageable nor as effective as the soil theory nuts and
quacks are trying to get you to believe.  These are people who just want to
undermine scientific medicine in any way they can,  and especially to get
you to buy more unneeded supplements and books.

This is something else that highlights the intense selfishness and
self-preoccupation of a lot of alternative medicine.   Pampered, overfed,
infection-protected folk in developed countries obsess endlessly about their
personal immune systems and personal nutrition, deluding themselves that
they are helping to protect themselves against infections, while at the same
time doing their best to undermine vaccinations, which have proved, yes,
proved many times over,  able to protect even  malnourished folk living in
unsanitary and overcrowded conditions from killer diseases.

And yes, I dare to admit that I am a bit of an "expert" in microbiology when
compared to the soil nuts and persons like yourself. .   You again display
your own overweening arrogance when you despise the idea that some people
may know more about some subjects than "the man in the street" (no one says
that they are "smarter than" them) .

PM
rpautrey2 - 23 Feb 2008 22:35 GMT
PM: For the first time I agree with more than
50% of your post. Well done! PA

> > Hey gang,
> > What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name,www.soiltheory.com
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>
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drceephd@insightbb.com - 23 Feb 2008 22:47 GMT
> The very first thing you should understand about the so-called "soil theory"
> is that it is NOT opposed to the so-called "germ theory".

UHHMMM, Petey the Moron, you are exceeding even your own level of
incompetence.  The soil theory absolutley disproves the germ theroy
and is adamantly opposed to the germ theory lie.  Consider that over
10,000 pages of Pasteur's notes have been reviewed and guess what they
show?  He was a liar, a con artist, and even his own research
disproved the germ theory of disease.

  If it were not
> for the existence and pathogenicity (look it up) of bacteria, ricketsiae,
> viruses and protozoa,  there would be no need to ever worry about "the soil"
> and there would be no such things as smallpox, measles, rabies, AIDs,
> whooping cough, polio, malaria etc.

Contagion exists only in the warped, demented, brainwashed minds of
individuals like you Moron.  Explain to us why Sydenham has been
quoted as stating that " smallpox is a most mild and non-
lifethreatening disease...except for the mischief of the doctor or the
nurse?"  Why was the death rate for Sydenham around 1% while it was up
to 70-80 % for whackos like you?

> The "soil" is merely one side of a very complex set of influences, which
> even includes the ability of bacteria and viruses to evolve, finding ways of
> evading body defenses so as to invade the "soil" regardless of anything we
> can do.

Bacteria may well and do evolve, but they still cannot overcome the
defenses of the living organism and those of the living cells.
Explain to us just how and why a bacteria can over come the human
health defenses and succeed in making a human ill?  In addition,
explain to us why the bacteria do not go on to digest us completly as
they can do as in gangrene?

> So while it is true that the quality of the immune system and malnutrition
> and other factors play a part in determining resistance to infection these
> are neither as manageable nor as effective as the soil theory nuts and
> quacks are trying to get you to believe.  These are people who just want to
> undermine scientific medicine in any way they can,  and especially to get
> you to buy more unneeded supplements and books.

Scientific medicine is an oxymoron.  Medicine is not scientific.  It
is kinda like military intelligence.

> This is something else that highlights the intense selfishness and
> self-preoccupation of a lot of alternative medicine.   Pampered, overfed,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> proved many times over,  able to protect even  malnourished folk living in
> unsanitary and overcrowded conditions from killer diseases.

Vaccines have proven only to be benefical to the medical monolpoly and
the bottom line of the monopoly.  Vaccines are not SAFE, nor are the
EFFECTIVE.  You, and the pediatricians, continue to kill 10's of
thousands of infants yearly, steal the health of 100,000's others, all
the while patting yourselves on the back for all the money you make
and the false respect you get.

> And yes, I dare to admit that I am a bit of an "expert" in microbiology when
> compared to the soil nuts and persons like yourself.

You are an "expert" in lies and deceit.  You cannot think for
yourself.  You can only do and act as your profession dictates.

.   You again display
> your own overweening arrogance when you despise the idea that some people
> may know more about some subjects than "the man in the street" (no one says
> that they are "smarter than" them) .
>
> PM- Hide quoted text -

Maybe we have discovered another truth.

Of the educated class of people, medical doctors are the only ones who
cannot think for themselves.  They can only act and conduct themselves
like an ant in an ant hill of lies and deceit.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly.
Peter Moran - 24 Feb 2008 00:41 GMT
On Feb 23, 5:00 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote

> The very first thing you should understand about the so-called "soil
> theory"
> is that it is NOT opposed to the so-called "germ theory".

UHHMMM, Petey the Moron, you are exceeding even your own level of
incompetence.  The soil theory absolutley disproves the germ theroy
and is adamantly opposed to the germ theory lie.

<snip the usual>

PM Your own writings indicate that you accept there are specific, discrete
illnesses  such as smallpox and cutaneous tuberculosis and rabies.   There
is no explanation for these illnesses, and the way they are contracted,
without a theory that involves transmissiuble agents such as viruses and
bacteria.    I defy you to produce one.   I defy you to say anything that
does not involve grossly unfair personal insult, bluster, and fanciful
unsubstantiated assertions about Pasteur and other historical figures.  I
defy you to even give a coherent account to the readers on this NG of what
you understand as "the soil theory".

PM
drceephd@insightbb.com - 24 Feb 2008 03:37 GMT
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> PM Your own writings indicate that you accept there are specific, discrete
> illnesses  such as smallpox and cutaneous tuberculosis and rabies.

Not quite.  There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
their cause.  You and your allopathic morons would poison and kill the
victims by the millions if need be while those who understand the
human organism would not kill any.  Get the picture?  You and the MDs
are mass murderers not unlike Hitler's SS.

  There
> is no explanation for these illnesses, and the way they are contracted,
> without a theory that involves transmissiuble agents such as viruses and
> bacteria.

Once again you show your ignorance of health and dis-ease ( disease
does not exist, ya moron ).  There is an explanation for these
illnesses, they are not contracted, and they do not involve
transmissable agents such as a virus or bacteria.  All these
statements of yours simply proves that you cannot think outside of the
mental box your education has placed you within.

You have absolutely no scientific evidence that any disease can be
transmitted via bacteria or by a virus.  The scientific data does not
exist ya dufus.

   I defy you to produce one.  

Well Moron, I have given you many.  Yet you refuse to open up your
mind.  You refuse to watch and listen to videos.  You refuse to read
the references that I have provided you.  How can you expect to see
the truth when you sit there blindfolded, ears plugged, and head up
your a.s?

Watch the video "dying to have known" for starters.
Order and read Shelton and Clements book on Orthopathy that I gave
you.
When you can understand the Orthopathic concept of the seven stages of
disease, factor in the work of Bechamp and Enderlein, then add the
work of Rosenow, Rife, and Nassenes, you should have arrived at the
medical truth.
You will learn that you are an indoctrinated, bloated a.s.  Sorry, but
I will not supply the paper to clean up the mental mess.

I defy you to say anything that
> does not involve grossly unfair personal insult, bluster, and fanciful
> unsubstantiated assertions about Pasteur and other historical figures.

Well, I can't do that .  Pasteur was a con artist, a plageurist, and
an absolute liar.  His recently exposed work ( some 10,000 pages )
proves that he was a total incompetent except for his ability to con
and lie.  The same appears to apply for Koch.

 I
> defy you to even give a coherent account to the readers on this NG of what
> you understand as "the soil theory".
>
> PM

Basically, all disease stems from toxemia, except to the actions of
the MD and their poisons ( iatrogenic diseases.).
The body will succomb to dis-ease via a seven step mechanism, the last
of these being cancer.

The soil theory is then very simple.  As the un-eliminated toxins and
poisons in the human system accumulate, sorta like mercury poisoning,
the body will suffer irritaton, inflammation, induration, ulceration,
and finally fungation, or cancer.

With all the billions spent on cancer you and yours still do not know
the cause.  You still torture and kill most of the sheeple that come
to you, and then you pat yourselves on the back for the worthless
efforts while cashing the checks of the dearly departed.

Read, listen, learn, consider, ponder, and, as hard as it may be for
you, think, yep, THINK, about just what is going on and what you may
have just read, heard, or seen.

I realize that a medical doctor has lost their ability to think.  The
doc can only accept what the authorities want them to think and do
what the authorities order them to do, even if that action would
result in the death of the patient.

Digest this and let me know if you developed heartburn.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly.
Peter Bowditch - 24 Feb 2008 09:08 GMT
>You and the MDs
>are mass murderers not unlike Hitler's SS.

Godwin!!

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Peter Moran - 24 Feb 2008 21:11 GMT
On Feb 23, 7:41 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> PM Your own writings indicate that you accept there are specific, discrete
> illnesses such as smallpox and cutaneous tuberculosis and rabies.

>Not quite.  There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
>and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
>their cause.

PM I asked you to give a coherent explanation for these illnesses that
accounts for clear evidence that everyone on this newsgroup knows of, such
as contagion and transmissability.   You have not done that.

How can you attribute infectious illnesses to a manifestation of "toxemia"
when many will can get better without any treatment directed at "toxaemia"
and there is then often immunity to further infection with that organism?
This is well explained by the development of antibodies and other kinds of
immunity to the specific bacterium or virus (which is also of course the
basis of vaccination,  something that you will of course also choose to
ignore as a medical fiction).

Germs and antibodies are also REAL things -- they can be looked at under the
microscope, grown in culture, measured and  tested for.   None of the
elements in your theory including the toxemia have a substantive basis, or
measured correlation with infectious illnesses.

You also seem to assume that all discovery in microbiology ceased with
Pasteur and Koch.   Nothing could be further from the truth.  Not only have
their key discoveries been confirmed by thousands of other investigators,
but infectious diseases and their causative agents have become the best
understood of just about any illness.

PM
D. C. Sessions - 24 Feb 2008 21:39 GMT
> I asked you to give a coherent explanation for these illnesses that
> accounts for clear evidence that everyone on this newsgroup knows of, such
> as contagion and transmissability.   You have not done that.

And I asked him to apply his "unified theory of everything"
to the post-Columbian depopulation of the Western Hemisphere,
in particular to the Huron, and his only response was "lead
poisoning."  After that, silence.

Little matters like the classical college lab experiment of
dividing a homogenous population of experimental animals
and introducing a pathogenic microorganism into one but not
the control gets the same treatment: fingers in ears.

Or, for that matter, the routine use of bacillus thuringiensis
by gardeners. Or the now-common-in-west-nile-country use of
"bacteria bombing" standing water to deal with mosquitos.

Face it: Chuckles has a very well-developed ability to
ignore (and insult) anything that might cause a thinking
person to do reality checks.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
rpautrey2 - 24 Feb 2008 23:22 GMT
PM: 50%! You can do better than that. PA

Excerpt:

How can you attribute infectious illnesses to a manifestation of
"toxemia"
when many will can get better without any treatment directed at
"toxaemia"
and there is then often immunity to further infection with that
organism?

PM

> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
drceephd@insightbb.com - 25 Feb 2008 01:36 GMT
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message

Well, Moron, you certainly seem ignorant and confused.  I have given
you clear and concise information that contagion and transmissibility
are  lies,  deceits, a tool of the medical monopoly to continue its
pillaging of the sheeple.

Once again, read the peer reviewed, published research of Bechamp,
Enderlein,  and E.C Rosenow.  Your concept and flawed view of
bacteriology, disease, contagion, and the overall concept of the germ
theory of disease will be found to be false.  I have done that
consistently.  You, have consistently refused to get out of the mental
box you are in and view the forest as a forest and not just a field of
individual trees which you do not comprehend.

Toxemia is not an "infectious illness" that requires a "cure".  You
cannot poison the sick into becoming well.  The best example of
"toxemia" and its modern scientific proof, are the "amyloids."  What
are the amyloids?  Why are they a part of diseases tissue?  Why are
they a part of Alzheimer's, etc, etc.  You do not know.  The latest
effort by big pharma to develop a poison for the condition failed.
The effort failed because you cannot view the amyloids as a
manifestation of toxemia.  Toxemia cannot be reduced or eliminated by
adding more toxemia to the system with toxic drugs called medicines.
You, and big pharma, are so damn misguided that it would be funny if
it were not so very serious.
You continually believe that you must do "something" in order to prove
your worthyness as a physician and collect your fee.  Why not accept
that "doing nothing" may be more valuable than "doing something?"
especially when that something makes the patient sicker or even kills
them?
The acute diseases are not caused by bacteria or viruses invading a
human.  This is a scientifically valid conclusion.  If a bacteria or
virus can be found in a state of disease within a living organism,
that bacteria arose from within the organism.  The bacteria is then a
"symptom" and not a causative agent.  Refer to the work of Bechamp,
Enderlein, and Rosenow for further conformation.
The act of vaccination is then to vaccinate against a symptom and not
against any specific cause.  The failure of that action should be
readily seen.  This is one reason why vaccinations are not effective.
How can vaccinations prevent symptoms when they cannot prevent the
bacteria?
It is true enough, that if you inject foreign protein into an
organism, the organism will recognize the protein as foreign, and act
to reject it by producing "anti-bodies."  Of what value is this when
the bacteria of dis-ease are normal to the organism and protective for
the organism?  Your vaccines will not and cannot be protective.  Yet,
you cannot see the difference and try to poison the ill with anti-
biotics to effect a cure.
Germs and anti-bodies are real things??  Yet I would defy you to
observe an anti-body under the microscope, or grow one in culture.
Bacteria exist, germs do not.  You resort to a tired old euphemism
that is out of date.
You continue to rely on propaganda for your argument.  Show us some
peer reviewed, published articles, where some group of volunteers were
exposed to some "germ" in the air, in their water, or  in their food
that made any of the volunteers ill.  The only experiments of this
type that I am aware of always prove that bacteria cannot make a
healthy human sick since none, nada, nil, of the volunteers will
develop any illness associated with the so called "disease organism."

Bacteriology since Pasteur and Koch has continued to promote  the
lie.  Thousands of papers by hundreds of researchers have proven that
the germ theory of disease is false. Even a recent review of Pasteur's
research proves this.   The concept of the germ theory of disease and
contagion is one of the best medical lies going.  The only one better,
but based upon that lie, is AIDS.

If modern man removes the scalpel, the hypodermic syringe, and the
prescription pad from the allopath, of what value is that individual
in any state of ill health?

DrCee
Not an allopath, not licensed to miam or kill, and no need to lie.
Peter Moran - 25 Feb 2008 08:19 GMT
>> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>
> Well, Moron, you certainly seem ignorant and confused.  I have given
> you clear and concise information that contagion and transmissibility
> are  lies,  deceits, a tool of the medical monopoly to continue its
> pillaging of the sheeple.

You have supplied neither information nor evidence.  Every mother knows that
if one of her children brings measles home from school her other children
are going to get it.

Explain to me why epidemics of such illnesses occur.     Explain why
vaccination of all the contacts of smallpox cases stopped the epidemics and
eventually elminated that disease completely.  Explain why the Vaccinia
virus used in these vaccination will predictably infect anyone with no
previous exposure to it or smallpox.   I could go on forever outlining the
phenomena that support the role of microorganisms in infectious disease.

You don't need to be bothered about what doctors say, merely phenomena that
everyone throughout history has observed for themselves.    Your toxemia
theory OTOH has about the same validity as the ancients who regarded such
events as the punishment of the Gods.

PM
D. C. Sessions - 25 Feb 2008 12:08 GMT
> Explain to me why epidemics of such illnesses occur.     Explain why
> vaccination of all the contacts of smallpox cases stopped the epidemics and
> eventually elminated that disease completely.  Explain why the Vaccinia
> virus used in these vaccination will predictably infect anyone with no
> previous exposure to it or smallpox.   I could go on forever outlining the
> phenomena that support the role of microorganisms in infectious disease.

Yeah, like that's going to happen.  I predict another post
whose main content is "Petey the Moron" and goes downhill
from there.

After all, he's still avoiding replies to direct questions
about what happened to the Huron and the Mandan.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
drceephd@insightbb.com - 25 Feb 2008 16:01 GMT
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> if one of her children brings measles home from school her other children
> are going to get it.

That is a totally false assumption.  It is not true of any pox,
measles or small pox included.

> Explain to me why epidemics of such illnesses occur.  

Here is an answer by Shelton:
BACTERIA AND EPIDEMICS
What about bacteria and epidemics? First, there must be a changed
condition of the body's fluids and tissues, giving rise to that
systemic impairment that is designated "susceptibility" or 'lowered
resistance."
Once you grasp the fact that all had habits lead to toxemia, it will
not be difficult for you to grasp the idea that this perversion of the
fluids and tissues must take place before it is possible for bacteria,
which are nature's reducing forces, to make any further changes in
these materials. Assuming that the scavenger work done by bacteria
under these conditions actually complicates the disease, they cannot
be the primary cause of disease, nor of any epidemic.
Epidemics of any proportion follow in the wake of some mass
prostrating influence - war, prolonged dry, hot weather; prolonged
wet, cold weather; sudden changes of temperature, etc. - that further
enervate an already a most prostrated and greatly toxemic part of the
population. The sudden rise in toxemia thus occasioned necessitates
the development of a crisis to throw it off. Mass sickness follows
mass prostrating influences.

  Explain why
> vaccination of all the contacts of smallpox cases stopped the epidemics and
> eventually elminated that disease completely.

Vaccination never stopped the smallpox.  Read the opposing
literature.  Only 10% of the world's population was ever vaccinated.
The German troops, who had been vaccinated up to 4 times, were the
first ones in one war to get the pox, and they died in the greatest of
numbers.  This is just more allpathic crap that vaccination eradicated
smallpox.  The eradication was done by hygiene and nutrition, not pus
and poisons.

Again by Shelton:
Prognosis: Sydenham, who saw more of the old virulent variola vera
than all the now living physicians in this country together have seen,
says: "As it is palpable to all the world how fatal smallpox proves to
many of all ages, so it is clear to me from all the observations that
I can possibly make, that if no mischief is done, either by physician
or nurse, it is the most safe and slight of all diseases." Under
hygienic care recovery is rapid with little or no pitting.

Compare these statements to your beliefs.  Compare these results to a
death rate of up to 80% when the ill were treated allopathically.

 Explain why the Vaccinia
> virus used in these vaccination will predictably infect anyone with no
> previous exposure to it or smallpox.   I could go on forever outlining the
> phenomena that support the role of microorganisms in infectious disease.

You have never shown that a group of volunteers "exposed" to any
"germ" in the air, their water, or their food can be made sick and can
produce the illness desired.  The Medical Society of Toronto Canda
studied this question for many years and could never make any
volunteer ill.  They finally concluded that bacteria or "germs" were
innocent bystanders of acute disease.  First comes the illness, then,
maybe, some innocent bacteria may show up.

> You don't need to be bothered about what doctors say, merely phenomena that
> everyone throughout history has observed for themselves.    Your toxemia
> theory OTOH has about the same validity as the ancients who regarded such
> events as the punishment of the Gods.
>
> PM

My toxemia theory adequately explains alzheimers, amyloisosis, cancer,
tumors, etc., etc.  Your theory explains nothing and can only harm and
kill.
You cannot poison the sick into becoming well.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to main or
kill )
Carole - 26 Feb 2008 23:09 GMT
Peter > Explain to me why epidemics of such illnesses occur.

Drcee > Here is an answer by Shelton:
BACTERIA AND EPIDEMICS
What about bacteria and epidemics? First, there must be a changed
condition of the body's fluids and tissues, giving rise to that
systemic impairment that is designated "susceptibility" or 'lowered
resistance."

Carole > Yes, this is my understanding. But it doesn't preclude germs from
being contagious from person to person and I don't understand where you get
this idea. All it says is that the germs only affect those who are
susceptible, meaning toxic body ( internal milieu ).

Drcee > Once you grasp the fact that all had habits lead to toxemia, it will
not be difficult for you to grasp the idea that this perversion of the
fluids and tissues must take place before it is possible for bacteria,
which are nature's reducing forces, to make any further changes in
these materials. Assuming that the scavenger work done by bacteria
under these conditions actually complicates the disease, they cannot
be the primary cause of disease, nor of any epidemic.
Epidemics of any proportion follow in the wake of some mass
prostrating influence - war, prolonged dry, hot weather; prolonged
wet, cold weather; sudden changes of temperature, etc. - that further
enervate an already a most prostrated and greatly toxemic part of the
population. The sudden rise in toxemia thus occasioned necessitates
the development of a crisis to throw it off. Mass sickness follows
mass prostrating influences.

Carole > That makes sense to me.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
David Wright - 26 Feb 2008 05:27 GMT
>>> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>theory OTOH has about the same validity as the ancients who regarded such
>events as the punishment of the Gods.

The modern equivalent is to regard having to read Cee's postings as a
punishment from God.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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Carole - 26 Feb 2008 23:26 GMT
> >> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> if one of her children brings measles home from school her other children
> are going to get it.

But mothers also give their kids ritalin for "ADHD" when it has been shown
that a proper diet, eliminating artificial colourings, preservatives and
other chemicals, brings their behaviour back to normal.
Same goes for measles, if the child has got proper nutrition -- including
adequate amounts of calcium, sodium and potassium (cellsalt theory) then
they wouldn't be susceptible to measles or any other childhood diseases.

> Explain to me why epidemics of such illnesses occur.     Explain why
> vaccination of all the contacts of smallpox cases stopped the epidemics and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> theory OTOH has about the same validity as the ancients who regarded such
> events as the punishment of the Gods.

Drcee is right. The population has to first be stressed through some
means -- faulty nutrition, psychological stress, physical stress -- before
they can become susceptible to disease germs.

> PM
David Wright - 27 Feb 2008 06:35 GMT
>> >> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> >>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>that a proper diet, eliminating artificial colourings, preservatives and
>other chemicals, brings their behaviour back to normal.

If it does, they didn't have ADHD in the first place.  By definition.

>Same goes for measles, if the child has got proper nutrition -- including
>adequate amounts of calcium, sodium and potassium (cellsalt theory) then
>they wouldn't be susceptible to measles or any other childhood diseases.

How amusing.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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    "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
                                                       -- Bill Maher
Richard Schultz - 25 Feb 2008 06:04 GMT
: PM I asked you to give a coherent explanation for these illnesses that
: accounts for clear evidence that everyone on this newsgroup knows of, such
: as contagion and transmissability.   You have not done that.

Please do not think that I am picking on you; you are not the only offender,
but you happen to be one whose posts I would read otherwise.  For something
like 25 years, there has been a standard etiquette on usenet for the
style of posts, particularly, the way in which quotations of previous
posts are made.  This etiquette was developed so that it would be easy for
the reader to know which lines in a post were quoted material, and which
post in the thread was the source of the quoted material.  By ignoring that
etiquette, you basically make your posts impossible to read.  *Please*
cite quoted material properly, with one of the standard characters (> and :
are the most popular) in the leftmost column of all quoted material,
and the number of such characters indicating from how far back in the thread
the quoted material is taken.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Peter Moran - 25 Feb 2008 08:06 GMT
> : PM I asked you to give a coherent explanation for these illnesses that
> : accounts for clear evidence that everyone on this newsgroup knows of,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> thread
> the quoted material is taken.

Although my browser is set to do just this, it fails to do so if there are
already some >s in the text I am replying to.   I don;t know why.  It is
frustrating for me, but I do my best to try to make it clear where my text
comes in by preceding it by "PM".    Unfortunately someone is then stuffing
that strategy up by using PM erratically in his replies.

PM

> -----
> Richard Schultz                              schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Richard Schultz - 25 Feb 2008 09:08 GMT
: Although my browser is set to do just this, it fails to do so if there are
: already some >s in the text I am replying to.   I don;t know why.  It is
: frustrating for me, but I do my best to try to make it clear where my text
: comes in by preceding it by "PM".    Unfortunately someone is then stuffing
: that strategy up by using PM erratically in his replies.

If your newsreader is really that screwed up, then you should either use
your word processor to change initial ">"s to some non-offensive character,
or to manually add them before you start your reply.  This is easy to do
in the word-processing program known to the ancients as "vi"; I find it
hard to believe that it isn't equally easy (if not easier) in whatever word
processor you're using.

-----
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
D. C. Sessions - 25 Feb 2008 12:06 GMT
> Although my browser is set to do just this, it fails to do so if there are
> already some >s in the text I am replying to.   I don;t know why.  It is
> frustrating for me, but I do my best to try to make it clear where my text
> comes in by preceding it by "PM".    Unfortunately someone is then stuffing
> that strategy up by using PM erratically in his replies.

Have you considered using something other than a browser for
posting?

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
D. C. Sessions - 25 Feb 2008 01:19 GMT
> Not quite.  There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
> and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
> their cause.

Now *that* is a reality disconnect remarkable even for someone
whose education came from Uranus.

One might, by sufficient exercise of denial, pretend that
the science of microbiology is *wrong* about the nature of
smallpox etc. and its course.  However, to present that
there *are* no such understandings is a whole 'nuther thing.

>               You and your allopathic morons would poison and kill the
> victims by the millions if need be while those who understand the
> human organism would not kill any.

Remind me again how many people have died of smallpox (or its
treatment) in the last 35 years.

Oh, yeah ...

As for your profound "understand[ing of] the human organism,"
you still haven't presented your protocol for treating long
bone fractures.  Maybe, like Carole, your bones are as the
bones of Mack because your calcium is pure?  Strong enough
to punch through firewalls and motor blocks?

I'm not fond of YouTube posts but that's one I really do
want to see you put up.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Richard Schultz - 25 Feb 2008 06:06 GMT
:> Not quite. ?There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
:> and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
:> their cause.
:
: Now *that* is a reality disconnect remarkable even for someone
: whose education came from Uranus.

Be fair -- he never claimed that his education came from Uranus.  He claimed
that *he* came from Uranus.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
There's something I must tell you, there's something I must say:
The only really perfect love is one that gets away.
D. C. Sessions - 25 Feb 2008 12:07 GMT
> :> Not quite. ?There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
> :> and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Be fair -- he never claimed that his education came from Uranus.  He claimed
> that *he* came from Uranus.

I deny it.  Categorically.
You can blame a lot of things on me, but not him.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Carole - 26 Feb 2008 23:01 GMT
On Feb 23, 7:41 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> <snip the usual>

Carole > Yes, people like Peter are ignorant, and happy be that way.
They have little gaps in their logic processes but they think somebody else
has the answer for it, so they don't let it worry them unduly.

> PM Your own writings indicate that you accept there are specific, discrete
> illnesses such as smallpox and cutaneous tuberculosis and rabies.

DrCee > Not quite.  There are illnesses called smallpox, etc, for which you,
and the allopaths, have absolutely no concept of what they are or
their cause.  You and your allopathic morons would poison and kill the
victims by the millions if need be while those who understand the
human organism would not kill any.  Get the picture?  You and the MDs
are mass murderers not unlike Hitler's SS.

Carole > I am having some difficulty understanding why germs aren't
contagious.
Why wouldn't they be contageous? Obviously they are very small and are
airborne, so people can breath them in, right?

It is clear that certain disease ARE contagious from person to person --
there are many examples and outbreaks.
So why wouldn't germs be contagious?

My thinking is that the germs are there but they only affect people who have
a degree of auto-intoxication -- ie whether they become an issue depends on
the internal milieu.

This is how I understand it.
Germs are pleomorphic, they mutate and change according to the environment
they're cultured in.
A germ (microbe, bacteria or whatever) will change from being virulent to
benign and back again according to the internal milieu in which it finds
itself.
Germs are contagious and a disease can be spread from person to person,
through the air or through contact.
Germs are nature's undertakers, their purpose is to return what is dead or
dying back to the soil.
A person can only become sick from a germ if they have a toxic body --
brought on by certain causes such as enervation, faulty nutrition, acidity.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com
D. C. Sessions - 23 Feb 2008 23:29 GMT
> The very first thing you should understand about the so-called "soil theory"
> is that it is NOT opposed to the so-called "germ theory".   If it were not
> for the existence and pathogenicity (look it up) of bacteria, ricketsiae,
> viruses and protozoa,  there would be no need to ever worry about "the soil"
> and there would be no such things as smallpox, measles, rabies, AIDs,
> whooping cough, polio, malaria etc.

That may be true of the historical "soil theory" which was
an honest (if ultimately superceded) attempt to understand
biological processes and was, despite ego and partisanship,
carried out in the context of science.

Not so with the current versions.  They're pretty much
pure throwbacks to animism and spontaneous generation.
Instead of an attempt to explain biological processes, they
deny the very notion of processes and go straight to magic.

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Carole - 24 Feb 2008 16:57 GMT
> > Hey gang,
> > What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name, www.soiltheory.com
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> is that it is NOT opposed to the so-called "germ theory".   If it were not
> for the existence and pathogenicity (look it up)

I know what pathogenicity means -- it means "sickness forming"

> of bacteria, ricketsiae,
> viruses and protozoa,  there would be no need to ever worry about "the soil"
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> proved many times over,  able to protect even  malnourished folk living in
> unsanitary and overcrowded conditions from killer diseases.

What a crock of dung.
Chronic disease is rampant in western society and modern allopathic medicine
is at a total loss to understand the cause.

> And yes, I dare to admit that I am a bit of an "expert" in microbiology when
> compared to the soil nuts and persons like yourself.

What's microbiology got do with it?

> You again display
> your own overweening arrogance when you despise the idea that some people
> may know more about some subjects than "the man in the street" (no one says
> that they are "smarter than" them) .

Excuse me for reaching the end of my patience with organised medicine.
Yes, allopaths are educated about handling certain (life threatening)
situations but chronic disease is an entirely different matter.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com

> PM
D. C. Sessions - 24 Feb 2008 18:22 GMT
> What's microbiology got do with it?

Just a wild guess, Carole, but maybe it's because the
organisms under discussion are very small living things?

| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
|    The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?"    |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+
Carole - 24 Feb 2008 19:21 GMT
> > What's microbiology got do with it?
>
> Just a wild guess, Carole, but maybe it's because the
> organisms under discussion are very small living things?

So Peter knows the names of a few microbes and what they look like, so what?

What's that got to do with the soil theory of disease?

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
Peter Moran - 25 Feb 2008 08:23 GMT
>> In message
>> <47c1a202$0$27298$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> What's that got to do with the soil theory of disease?

Because the proponents of the soil theory claim that it refutes the germ
theory, and microbiology is the study of "germs".
PM
Carole - 26 Feb 2008 23:30 GMT
> >> Just a wild guess, Carole, but maybe it's because the
> >> organisms under discussion are very small living things?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> theory, and microbiology is the study of "germs".
> PM

Yes, the microbes exist in both theories - germ and soil theory.
What we're saying though is that the microbes only thrive in a toxic body,
hence the condition of the internal milieu is the first cause of disease.
The microbes are only the effect.
Killing the microbes is like killing the flies rather than cleaning up the
rubbish.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net
www.soiltheory.com
Richard Schultz - 27 Feb 2008 08:14 GMT
: Yes, the microbes exist in both theories - germ and soil theory.
: What we're saying though is that the microbes only thrive in a toxic body,

Are you suggesting that the human intestine is a toxic body?

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
drceephd@insightbb.com - 23 Feb 2008 22:31 GMT
> Hey gang,
> What do you think -- I've gotten another domain name,www.soiltheory.com

Go for it Carole.  Go, Carole, go!!  Each of us standing up for the
medical truth needs to do all that we can to protect the sheeple from
big pharma and the pharma shills.

I wish you the best of results.

DrCee