My sincerest apologies for posting just the one link and not editing the
reply.  I do usually try to edit, but I was in a rush do to other
obligations in the real world.  Plus, I could not believe that the
NOT-DrCeeP was calling rabies a made up disease.  I shall consider your
request to do better next week.

...

Unfortunately Mark, in other threads I challenged
the often repeated fallacies that Homeopathy
does not work by listing numerous Homeopathic
and standard medicine research journals which
reported tests, even double blind placebo tests
which gave POSITIVE results.

PLEASE, do NOT insult our intelligence
by repeating these fallacies.

I understand that you hate Homeopathy
and see it as some sort of deception
and I sympathize with your position.

In addition, there is most certainly the possibility
of damage from INEPT practice of Homeopathy
just as there is from M.D. errors.  I OBJECT
to your apparent toleration and dismissal
of the huge number of M.D. errors, sometimes
resulting in death, and then your accusations
regarding injury or death from Homeopathy
as validation that it does not work.   This
circular reasoning, adaption of a  double standard
(heads you win, tails we lose) and other
obvious logical fallacies regarding Homeopathy
will NO LONGER be allowed to go by unnoticed
and therefore - the IDENTIFICATION of these
fallacies undermine and/or render you argumentation
invalid.

Sorry!

Citizen Jimserac

True and recent story.

Very pleasant 62 year old man, John Doe, was seen in our clinic 14 or so
months ago for hematuria (blood in his urine).  Standard workup included a
cystoscopy (look into the bladder) which revealed a very concerning
appearing bladder mass.  Resection/biopsy demonstrated muscle invasive
bladder cancer, high grade.  Otherwise completely healthy and a completely
negative metastatic evaluation.  He was counseled that the best current
treatment is cystectomy (removal of the bladder).  He turned this down and
didn't want any other medical therapy including chemo or radiation.  He
wanted to pursue homeopathic type remedies.  Example - for pateints with
intestinal obstruction, he is an advocate of rubbing a tennis ball on your
abdomen rather than a surgical consult.  So I don't know exactly what types
of "treatments" he had, but they included things like ointments, salves,
herbs, meditation, etc.  It wasn't at home, either.  He travelled out of
state to some "known" center for this type of stuff.

Shockingly enough, it didn't work.  When he was urinating pure blood and
developing clot urinary retention, he came back.  This is now over a year.
He begged for surgery.  He wanted "every chance at a cure" and wanted his
bladder out ASAP.  Well, it came out.  He had some positive nodes that
almost suredly would have been negative last year.  He had extensive disease
locally invading the pelvic sidewall and encasing some major vessels.

The good that came out of this is that he now advocates against alternative
therapies at least for life threatening conditions (he thinks they still
have a place for other conditions).  Sadly, however, he was recently moved
to hospice and his days of advocacy will be tragically few.

Cases on the books of children being treated with homeopathic
"cures" for Type I diabetes (after all, it's harmless isn't
it?) followed by the usual consequences of untreated Type I.

For what it's worth, most homeopathic practitioners have the
good sense to insist on parents getting real treatment for
such cases.

+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

On Feb 24, 3:00 pm, The One True Zhen Jue <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Exactly.  Well said!

Citizen Jimserac

Attempt to avoid the question posed and distract
attention with another question  DENIED.

I repeat and AWAIT AN ANSWER:

EITHER THE HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES HAVE
POTENCIES OR THEY DON'T.

WHICH WILL IT BE?

Citizen Jimserac