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J - 10 Feb 2008 01:57 GMT
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ADHD over-diagnosed

For the example there, the relative blames diabetes.
That is possible. The other possible is poor food habits. I see it every
day.
Kids buying junk food, candies at stores before going to school and
schools having machines for sodas, chocolate bars and other junk foods.
Sugar highs and lows...

Schools should get rid of the machines and/or only have healthy(er) foods
and drinks in them.
Parents need to read the labels of foods they buy and buy whole foods. Too
much sugar or salt in prepared foods these days.
Parents need to make sure that their children don't have as much money
available to them, so they can't buy the junk foods.  They also need to
have someone meet the child after school, to get them home to do their
homework and stay away from unhealthy foods.

Before getting a diagnosis of ADHD, put the child on a strict diet for
several months and see if things improve.

Please pass on to groups where this topic is discussed.
J
FalseFlagUSA - 10 Feb 2008 12:05 GMT
Jan, you usually do exemplary work - but I have one minor quibble over
this one.  ALL ADHD is over-diagnosed, because it simply DOES NOT
EXIST!!!  Do some honest research and you will find this to be the
case.

Now there are disease-mongers and drug-pushers out there, we ignore
them for their obvious conflict-of-interests.

You make a good point about diet.  When the diet improves, 100% of
these cases improve.

Great work Jan!!

> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070316/wfive_diagnosis_070
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> Please pass on to groups where this topic is discussed.
> J
Mark Probert - 10 Feb 2008 17:29 GMT
What did you do with Sir fArtie? Being a sock puppet of yourself?

Moron
Mark Probert - 10 Feb 2008 17:30 GMT
Hi fArtie! Nice to see you using a sock puppet. I just looked at your
Usenet history and see you use a lot of them.
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 13 Feb 2008 15:17 GMT
> Jan, you usually do exemplary work - but I have one minor quibble over
> this one.  ALL ADHD is over-diagnosed, because it simply DOES NOT
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If it does not exist, how can diet correct it? Do you seriously
suggest that those diagnosed with ADD correspondend precisely with
those who do not eat properly? If so, how come only SOME of those who
do not eat properly exhibit ADD symptoms? Logically, their must be
some other factor at work.

Are you familiar with the Connors Continuous Performance Test? I took
it and believe it accurately reflects ADD features. There are about
ten measures and I scored outside the norm on two. The test simply
involves responding to dots that appear on a computer screen, but I
understand it to be well-regarded in the psychometric battery. One of
my results was that my response time slowed down and I made careless
mistakes when the test became less challenging but my EFFORT was
consistent throughout. It showed little cerebral time-outs but they
were not the result of laziness or unwillingness to pay attention.
(Sorry I do not have the report at hand, or I would be more accurate.)

Certainly there is a dietary element in aggravating ADD symptoms. Eg.,
if the brain is not getting sufficient glucose it obviously functions
less well.

I think think it possible that ADD symptoms are caused by a mother
smoking or drinking during pregnancy. A lot more women used to do that
than they do today, and my impression is that ADD is more common among
my cohort (I am 45) than teenagers today. In any event, much confusion
around ADD (which used to be called minimal brain dysfunction) exists
because, although psychiatrists prefer the DSM-approach  to a
forthright admission that we don't really know a lot about ADD.

But whether you have experienced the symptoms or not, I really do not
think if you take a close look you can seriously claim it does not
exist, and certainly not on the basis of an argument relating to diet.

Bill King

P.S.  I have no quibble about your thesis that drug companies invent
syndromes so they can invent cures. In fact, I think it goes even
farther. Working in the legal field for many years I have come to see
that psychiatric illness are largely moulded to serve the needs of
coutrooms and disability claims. For example, if gambling is a vice,
too bad for you. But if it is an addiction: disability! I have also
read testimony of psychiatrists who describe symptoms using the
precise words that previous judges have accepted as indicia of
psychiatric disability.

I agree with Hannibal Lecter on at least one point: pyschiatry is not
a science, it is an art.
D. C. Sessions - 13 Feb 2008 17:21 GMT
> I think think it possible that ADD symptoms are caused by a mother
> smoking or drinking during pregnancy. A lot more women used to do that
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> because, although psychiatrists prefer the DSM-approach  to a
> forthright admission that we don't really know a lot about ADD.

Too many counterexamples.

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wm.king@sympatico.ca - 13 Feb 2008 19:27 GMT
> In message <e6cad262-edff-4e0b-a3df-a85c907d9...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
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Admire your brevity but haven't a clue what you are trying to say.
D. C. Sessions - 14 Feb 2008 00:07 GMT
>> In message <e6cad262-edff-4e0b-a3df-a85c907d9...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>>
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>> Too many counterexamples.

> Admire your brevity but haven't a clue what you are trying to say.

Are you trying to counter my brevity by posting three almost
identical replies?  Oh, well.

Bottom line: too many ADHD kids whose mothers never smoked.
With smoking in decline among childbearing-age women, the
demographics don't add up.

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Kevysmom - 14 Feb 2008 00:35 GMT
> Bottom line: too many ADHD kids whose mothers never smoked.
> With smoking in decline among childbearing-age women, the
> demographics don't add up.

I agree with you on this one!

Actually ADHD is a real illness in children, And there is an epidemic
of the disease among children. But what caused the epidemic in the
first place? Experts agree that the over exposure to mercury in the
vaccines is what caused the epidemic of ADD, ADHD, Autism and a few
other diseases.

Just like diabetes can be controlled with a diet, so can ADHD!

> In message <dfa8633f-0019-4acc-8d83-2d0642880...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
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D. C. Sessions - 14 Feb 2008 00:50 GMT
> I agree with you on this one!

Only because your God of "vaccines are the cause of all ills" is
a jealous God and tolerates no rival causes of Bad Things in children.

> Actually ADHD is a real illness in children, And there is an epidemic
> of the disease among children. But what caused the epidemic in the
> first place? Experts agree that the over exposure to mercury in the
> vaccines is what caused the epidemic of ADD, ADHD, Autism and a few
> other diseases.

Only if you redefine "expert" to be "those who say that exposure
to mercury in vaccines caused" etc.

> Just like diabetes can be controlled with a diet, so can ADHD!

Diet can retroactively remove mercury from infant brains?
Who knew?

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David Wright - 14 Feb 2008 04:05 GMT
>> Bottom line: too many ADHD kids whose mothers never smoked.
>> With smoking in decline among childbearing-age women, the
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>vaccines is what caused the epidemic of ADD, ADHD, Autism and a few
>other diseases.

"Experts?"  No, try "people who agree with Donna".  The sentence is
much more accurate that way.

>Just like diabetes can be controlled with a diet, so can ADHD!

If it can, then it's not ADHD.  I have a friend with ADHD.  Dietary
changes don't affect it.  She hasn't had much luck with prescription
meds, either.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
                                                       -- Bill Maher

>> In message
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Jan Drew - 16 Feb 2008 00:56 GMT
> In article
> <68827cf7-2057-430b-bef7-c4989ccd839d@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>  -- David Wright ::

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/21616fe7354cb992
Anecdotes are bullshit. I use facts.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d94426f8742bc892

Anecdotes are bullshit and prove nothing.

Anecdotes are limited FACTS and not necessarily conclusive.

Anecdotes are bullshit and prove nothing.

>>> In message
>><dfa8633f-0019-4acc-8d83-2d0642880...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
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>>> | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. |
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Mark Probert - 14 Feb 2008 04:19 GMT
> > Bottom line: too many ADHD kids whose mothers never smoked.
> > With smoking in decline among childbearing-age women, the
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>
> Actually ADHD is a real illness in children,

Hmmm...true. Let's hope that Donna don't go stupid...

And there is an epidemic
> of the disease among children. But what caused the epidemic in the
> first place? Experts agree

Some so-called experts agree.

that the over exposure to mercury in the
> vaccines is what caused the epidemic of ADD, ADHD, Autism and a few
> other diseases.

Well, Donna went stupid.

The so-called epidemic wrt AD/HD is a realizaion that kids are not
learning for a reason. In 1991 the USDoE mandated that LEA's actually
look to see why. Thus, the apparent epidemic.

> Just like diabetes can be controlled with a diet, so can ADHD!

Not all diabetes can be controlled by diet.

> > In message <dfa8633f-0019-4acc-8d83-2d0642880...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
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Jan Drew - 16 Feb 2008 01:08 GMT
>Well, Donna went stupid.

*I do not insult people.*  Mark Probert
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 13 Feb 2008 21:25 GMT
> In message <e6cad262-edff-4e0b-a3df-a85c907d9...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
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> | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com.      |
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I admire your brevity but have no idea what you mean.
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 13 Feb 2008 21:28 GMT
> In message <e6cad262-edff-4e0b-a3df-a85c907d9...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wm.k...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
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> | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com.      |
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I admire your brevity but have no idea what you are trying to say.
Linda - 13 Feb 2008 20:51 GMT
On Feb 13, 7:17 am, "wm.k...@sympatico.ca" <wm.k...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Are you familiar with the Connors Continuous Performance Test? I took
> it and believe it accurately reflects ADD features. There are about
> ten measures and I scored outside the norm on two.

Ahem!

Neither you nor the other 25-30% of americans who scored same as you
did scored outside any norm----since any score attained by 25-30% of
all people IS a normal score....silly.

The question you need to be asking yourself is why the morons,
frauds, thieves,  kooks and bullies who concoct and hype such tests
want you and a sizable percentage of americans to falsely believe
perfectly normal people aren't normal.
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 13 Feb 2008 21:27 GMT
> On Feb 13, 7:17 am, "wm.k...@sympatico.ca" <wm.k...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
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> want you and a sizable percentage of americans to falsely believe
> perfectly normal people aren't normal.

I do not think you understand how standardized tests work and how the
norm is defined. It is a statistical exercise, nothing more. How far
one falls outside the norm is of course significant. I saw no
methodological flaw whatever in the Connors Test.
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 19 Feb 2008 15:39 GMT
> On Feb 13, 7:17 am, "wm.k...@sympatico.ca" <wm.k...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
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> want you and a sizable percentage of americans to falsely believe
> perfectly normal people aren't normal.

If you don't like the word "illness", let's call it "shmillness". It
doesn't really matter. The simple fact is that (as can be
statistically demonstrated) some people suffer from unusualities (I
just invented that word) of thought which make life (in 21st century
western society) more difficult for them than the average person. Some
such people benefit from Ritalin. So why on earth should they stop
taking it?
Jan Drew - 20 Feb 2008 03:42 GMT
On Feb 13, 3:51 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:17 am, "wm.k...@sympatico.ca" <wm.k...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
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> want you and a sizable percentage of americans to falsely believe
> perfectly normal people aren't normal.

*If you don't like the word "illness", let's call it "shmillness". It
doesn't really matter. The simple fact is that (as can be
statistically demonstrated) some people suffer from unusualities (I
just invented that word) of thought which make life (in 21st century
western society) more difficult for them than the average person. Some
such people benefit from Ritalin. So why on earth should they stop
taking it?*

http://www.adhd-report.com/adhd/ritalin/29_ritalin_side_effects.html

Next question.
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 20 Feb 2008 15:04 GMT
> <wm.k...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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It is silly to suggest that people should terminate the use of a drug
because of side-effects. As your reference notice, all drugs have a
variet of effects. The question is whether the risks outweigh the
benefits.

My next question is:  are you saying that ADD does not exist, or that
it does exist but unfortunately the medications which ameliorate the
condition are too risky to take? You can't really have it both ways.
If the condition exists but the medications are too risky to take,
shouldn't Big Pharma get busy and find safer ones post haste?
Jan Drew - 21 Feb 2008 08:08 GMT
On Feb 19, 10:42 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

http://www.adhd-report.com/adhd/ritalin/29_ritalin_side_effects.html
jlazariuk@no-spamgmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 06:35 GMT
On Feb 13, 10:17 am, "wm.k...
> Are you familiar with the Connors Continuous Performance Test? I took
> it and believe it accurately reflects ADD features. There are about
> ten measures and I scored outside the norm on two. The test simply
> involves responding to dots that appear on a computer screen, but I
> understand it to be well-regarded in the psychometric battery.

Hi Bill

You seem pretty fair minded and reasonable. I would like to discuss
this test with someone who took it. Are you interested in doing so
here?

Jack
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 19 Feb 2008 15:41 GMT
On Feb 15, 1:35 am, "jlazar...@no-spamgmail.com" <jlazar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Feb 13, 10:17 am, "wm.k...
>
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>
> Jack

Sure. I will post a little summary of what I know about the test and
what it measures, but it will take me a few days as I must review my
report again (it's been 10 years) and some of the other literature.

I would certainly welcome the opportunity to discuss this subject with
anyone who has an open mind. (Anti pharmacy zealots don't seem to fall
into that category.)

Bill
jlazariuk@no-spamgmail.com - 19 Feb 2008 16:07 GMT
Bill wrote
> Sure. I will post a little summary of what I know about the test and
> what it measures, but it will take me a few days as I must review my
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> anyone who has an open mind. (Anti pharmacy zealots don't seem to fall
> into that category.)

Hi Bill

Thanks for replying to my request. It is not really necessary that you
supply some kind of report as I can probably find lots of reports
elsewhere. What I am interested in is just talking about it in a
reasonable way. What I had in mind if it is alright with you is that I
would give my point of view about what the test shows (I have never
taken the test) and you could show me where I am wrong, maybe prove to
me where I am wrong.
I have been proven wrong before about things and I find it very
nourishing.
Considering your last sentence I guess I should warn you that I am not
very comfortable with the pharmacy industry. If you can live with that
then maybe we can proceed.
If we both show some respect and not get too distracted by loud noises
maybe we can both learn from each other.
Are you ok with the way I suggest proceeding?

Jack
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 19 Feb 2008 16:26 GMT
On Feb 19, 11:07 am, "jlazar...@no-spamgmail.com"
<jlazar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill wrote
>
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>
> Jack

Sure, I just meant that I need to review my test result to recall
exactly what it showed (or purported to show). My memory is fairly
sketchy; I thought the test was enlightening but I can't recall after
so long precisely why! I felt it did show that my difficulties were
not due to laziness or general ineptitude but seemed legitimately to
reflect some characteristics that were impediments to sustaining focus
and attention. I will be more specific later, I'm afraid I can't
discuss the test any more intelligently than that right now.

Bill
jlazariuk@no-spamgmail.com - 19 Feb 2008 17:39 GMT
Bill wrote sure

> Sure,

and what started my interest was him saying
> > Are you familiar with the Connors Continuous Performance Test? I took
> > it and believe it accurately reflects ADD features.

Ok here is what I am in agreement with and why I think the test is
kind of important or at least important to look at.

I could be wrong about everything as I have never taken the test and
have no professional qualifications and so i don't mind being
corrected.

From what I have heard when you take this test you are placed in a
booth in some way to eliminate outside distractions and every attempt
is made to make it as easy as can be to just focus on one goal and
that is to respond to lights flashing on a screen.  I think that the
way you are given to respond is to press a button.
Some do it better than others and get a better score. People who are
said to have attention deficits score lower than others.

What makes this test of particular interest to some others is that
there have been a number of times when people have been doing this
test that they have been wired in such a way that it has shown a
difference in brain chemistry between the people with high scores and
the people with low scores and that the difference was that the people
with high scores were being chemically rewarded to a greater extent
than were the people with lower scores. This is of particular interest
because it demonstrates that there is a physical difference in the
brain chemistry between those who are said to have an attention
deficit and those who don't.

Before I go on can you see anything wrong about what i have written so
far. I certainly don't mind if you ask others if you are unsure.

Jack
jlazariuk@no-spamgmail.com - 21 Feb 2008 17:23 GMT
On Feb 19, 12:39 pm, "jlazar...@no-spamgmail.com"
<jlazar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill wrote sure
>
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>
> Jack

Anyone want to discuss this ?
wm.king@sympatico.ca - 04 Mar 2008 14:03 GMT
On Feb 21, 12:23 pm, "jlazar...@no-spamgmail.com"
<jlazar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 12:39 pm, "jlazar...@no-spamgmail.com"
>
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Sorry for the delay in responding as promised earlier.

The way the Connors Continuous Performance Test (c. 1994 version,
anyway) works is something comes up on a computer screen and if it's
an X, you don't press the space bar and vice-versa. The program then
deduces scores, which are compared to the population average, on the
following measures.  (Please note that I am translating everything
here into everyday language, to the best of my ability.)

1.  Average speed of correct response.
2.  Consistency of response speed.
3.  Maintenance of response speed.
4.  Variability of response speed over time.
5.  Number of responses not provided.
6.  Number of incorrect responses provided.
7.  Accuracy of perception of letters on screen.
8.  Whether responses tend to be frequent or cautious.
9.  Adjustment of reaction time to speed of stimulus.

When I took this test in 1998 I scored atypically on 1, 2 and 9. The
program commented as follows.

Regarding 'average speed of correct response', the computer said "Bill
King's average response time was unusually slow. This could be an
indication of unusually slow processing ability, or that BK was
sacrificing resopnse speed in an attempt to provide accurate
responses."

Regarding 'consistency of response speed', the computer offered its
opinion that "BK's responses were inconsistent and variable from
moment to moment indicating difficulties in maintaining attention."
On 'maintenance of response speed', however, the program said I did
not slow down "to any great degree" over the course of the test.

Finally, regarding "Adjustment of reaction time to speed of stimulus',
the program said, "BK showed atypical change in response pattern when
the letters (stimuli) were presented slowly. BK's responses were much
slower when the length of time between letters (stimuli) was
increased."

It also summarized, "Although BK's performance was atypical on only a
few measures, these are key measures for indicating individuals with
attention problems". However, the test also cautions that it should
only be regarded as one of several aids in the assessment of attention
problems. (And provides further statistical and psychometrical
information which is utterly beyond my ability to comprehend.)

The test was very worthwhile. Not because it revealed anything
startling, but because it helped me considerably to refine some things
I perceived about myself. Even if one does not believe in ADD and/or
(pharmaceutical) remedies for it, it is certainly worth 14 minutes to
get some deeper insight into the way your brain works - especially if
your activities require you to use it - and at the very least it will
help you to identify compensating behaviours.

I was somewhat relieved to have some objective confirmation that I
differed from the average population, and that my difficulties were
not simply a result of effort declining over time. When you have ADD-
type problems I think there is usually a lurking fear that you are
simply lazier than other people and thereby place more blame on
yourself for your shortcomings because you are over-simplifying their
cause. I see more clearly, as a result of the CCPT, how my efforts
tend to quickly wan as stimulation (or pressure) decreases; how I
devote disproportionate effort to things in an effort to achieve a
perfect result; how my attention varies a great deal from moment to
moment.

To summarize, the CCPT strikes me as a very worthwhile diagnostic
test. I had to pay for it at a private clinic and I am very surprised
that the test (or onse like it) are not standard tools in the
assessment of attention problems (at least where I live - Ontario,
Canada). It seems to me that when it comes to diagnosis, psychiatrists
often have an indoridnate faith in the accuracy of their intuitions.
(If the comments on RateMDs.com are an accurate indicator, mine was
particularly defective.)

Bill King
stanw - 06 Mar 2008 21:57 GMT
>>>>> Are you familiar with the Connors Continuous Performance Test? I took
>>>>> it and believe it accurately reflects ADD features.

>>> Ok here is what I am in agreement with and why I think the test is
>>> kind of important or at least important to look at.

>>> I could be wrong about everything as I have never taken the test and
>>> have no professional qualifications and so i don't mind being
>>> corrected.

>>> From what I have heard when you take this test you are placed in a
>>> booth in some way to eliminate outside distractions and every attempt
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>>> Some do it better than others and get a better score. People who are
>>> said to have attention deficits score lower than others.

>>> What makes this test of particular interest to some others is that
>>> there have been a number of times when people have been doing this
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>>> brain chemistry between those who are said to have an attention
>>> deficit and those who don't.

>>> Before I go on can you see anything wrong about what i have written so
>>> far. I certainly don't mind if you ask others if you are unsure.

>>> Jack

> Anyone want to discuss this ?- Hide quoted text -

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> Sorry for the delay in responding as promised earlier.
>
> The way the Connors Continuous Performance Test (c. 1994 version,
> anyway) works is something comes up on a computer screen and if it's
> an X, you don't press the space bar and vice-versa.

> Bill King

   Hello, Bill.  Hi, Jack.  I hope you don't object to that
"familiarity" of using your first names.  Anyway, I wanted to jump in
and ask if it really was a test called the Connors Continuous
Performance Test.  I ask only because part of my own eval. back in
1991 involved three tests:  a plain vanilla WISC-II (I think it was
II), as well as the Connor's Scales, and the T.O.V.A.  The Connor's
Scales was a questionaire - a self-report on the presence and
incidences of "ADD-ish" behaviors and/or sub-type or the "big 3"
indicators (distractibility, impulsivity, restlessness), in one's
everyday life, and if present, an admittedly subjective sense of their
severity.

   The TOVA (or Test Of Variables of Attention) was the continuous
performance test.  It was such that you were instructed to click the
mouse if a dot/cursor appeared within an outlined box in the middle of
the terminal screen, and NOT click the mouse if the cursor appeared
OUTSIDE of said box.  The measured variables were 1.) errors of
commission - ya clicked when you weren't supposed to 2.) errors of
ommission - ya didn't click when you WERE supposed to 3.) reaction
time - and 4.) variability of reaction time.

     Is the CCPT some similar version of this same type of diagnostic
tool?  Just curious - as the Connors name, and the continuous
performance test both obviously sounded familiar - but at least for my
evaluation, they were two very different assessments.

      Thanks for any response.  :)


-stan
 
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