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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008Subversion of medical research
Subversion of medical research http://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/secret.html Something strange has happened to a branch of science. Medical researchers are highly intelligent, yet in recent times, not one has discovered a cure for a single chronic disease. (Or they have succeeded, and their cures are kept hidden.) How can a veritable army of well-trained, bright scientists always be on the road to failure? Statistically, the findings of medical science, according to media reports, are incorrect far too often for these failures to be accidental. Is confusion in medicine just coincidence? The failure of medical research to find cures, according to Marcia Angell, a former Editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, has generated enormous profits for drug companies. Angell states "The most startling fact about 2002 is that the combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits for all the other 490 business put together ($33.7 billion). When I say this is a profitable industry, I mean really profitable. It is difficult to conceive of how awash in money big pharma is." It is a sad fact that the richest corporations on the planet profit more by treating, rather than curing, chronic disease. This preverse economic effect can be compared to automobile repair shops that benefit only when cars break down. An unethical medical doctor can earn more by a botched treatment. Harmful prescription drugs create business for hospitals, doctors and pharmaceutical companies. THE GATEKEEPERS The truth is that medical research is being deliberately sabotaged, The question is, how could someone accomplish such a thing? Let's assume that there are people hired and trained by the pharmaceutical companies to protect pharmaceutical markets. These people would be the external force deliberately misdirecting medical research. But how would these gatekeepers know what to debunk? Which scientific work to reward, and which avenues to misdirect or attack? Some of the more obvious propaganda does not require special knowledge. The general rule would to debunk unpatentable nutrients at every opportunity, while extolling the virtues of "modern" prescription medications. This media barrage might affect the efforts of some researchers, but not every one. How can all medical research always be misdirected from the truth all the time? What leads every researcher pursuing their life's work, astray? There can only be one answer. For medicine to always be wrong, the existence of people who know all the right answers is revealed. SECRET KNOWLEDGE The failure to discover cures for disease has resulted in massive earnings for both medicine and the pharmaceutical companies. The only explanation for the failure of medical research, (other than synthetic drugs manufactured under patent protection), is that the pharmaceutical companies have hidden knowledge which is provided to those willing to use it in their behalf. This hidden knowledge is used to poison medical research, medical thinking, medical training and public opinion. Human beings are deliberately steering entire branches of medical research in wrong directions. These people are willing to use their mainstream media access to ridicule, suppress, or to simply ignore any research which might accidentally reveal the cause, and thus a cure, for a chronic disease. Carole www.cellsalts.net > Subversion of medical You need to look at who is in charge up and down the line where medical research is concerned. MDs decide who gets the grant money, MDs decide what and how studies will be performed, more MDs will referee ( edit or censor ) the papers and decide if the data can be published. When you put incompetent, closeminded, egotistical MDs in charge at every level you can only expect corrupt and false results in medicine. DrCee Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to maim or kill) > Subversion of medical research > http://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/secret.html [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > science, according to media reports, are incorrect far too often for these > failures to be accidental. Well, that's two strikes right there: one invalid inference and one outright misstatement of fact. Item: some problems are hard. For instance, despite lots of *extremely* bright physicists working on the problem, we don't have a handle on gravity. We don't have a clue about dark matter, and we have even less of a clue about dark energy. There is no sign that we're closer to a unified field theory than when Einstein was alive. Some problem are hard. Item: However, there *have* been cures found recently for chronic illnesses. Most famously, stomach ulcers. Cure. Done deal. Other metabolic illnesses have been figured out and we can at least offer the victims a reasonably normal life (think "Lorenzo's Oil." There are others.) What's more, we're actually making impressive progress on replacing destroyed tissues, such as the Islets of Langerhans. It's a hard problem. > Is confusion in medicine just coincidence? The failure of medical research > to find cures, according to Marcia Angell, a former Editor of the New [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > really profitable. It is difficult to conceive of how awash in money big > pharma is." That's not just BS, it's spectacularly gold-plated BS. Microsoft alone booked $40.43 billion. IBM, $38.30B Intel, only $18.22B (a bad year). Compared to General Electric they're all pikers at $89.28 billion, but Wal-Mart comes close at $84.5B Yeah, that's right. Wal-Mart alone has more profits than all ten of those pharmaceutical companies combined. GE is even more profitable. You swallowed a lie. Hook, line, and sinker. These are not hard to look up. If someone needs to lie about such easily checked facts to get you onboard with the story, what does that suggest about the rest of the script? | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > Subversion of medical research > The only explanation for the failure of medical research, (other than > synthetic drugs manufactured under patent protection), is that the > pharmaceutical companies have hidden knowledge which is provided to those > willing to use it in their behalf. This hidden knowledge is used to poison > medical research, medical thinking, medical training and public opinion. Could we have some examples of how this works? Where does this hidden knowledge as to miraculous cures stem from in the first place, so that no one outside the heads of pharmaceutical companies knows about it? How are all the researchers, clerical and laboratory staff kept quiet? Why are even the cured patients silent about their miraculous repreives? Why, uniquely within the history of human affairs, has no whistleblower been willing to expose such evil schemes in the over half a century since such allegations first began to be made (by digruntled and still unvindicated cancer quacks)? Could we have some plausible suggestions as to which diseases that have been cured, and what the treatments are likely to be? Its transparent bullshit. PM. > > Subversion of medical research > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > knowledge as to miraculous cures stem from in the first place, so that no > one outside the heads of pharmaceutical companies knows about it? You're not very imaginative. How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, but kept from the general public? What do you know about the nature of life on this planet, and where it originated ...Did we evolve out of the slime or descend from monkeys, or what? What advanced civilisations have existed on this planet before? Why don't you do a bit of thinking for yourself, we ourselves are struggling to find answers to these problems because there is so much suppression. A lot is speculation and hypothetical and some of it isn't. Do some thinking. > How are > all the researchers, clerical and laboratory staff kept quiet? Why are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cancer quacks)? Could we have some plausible suggestions as to which > diseases that have been cured, and what the treatments are likely to be? There may be cures that the public has never heard of, they may not even be spoken of they are kept so quiet. Science has been taken down some wrong paths, at least recently, but maybe also in past centuries, and maybe even millenia. If actual science has been railroaded down some false track, they don't need to have people constantly watching to make sure nobody discovers cures -- the cures become pretty unlikely. So instead of your questions about how it isn't possible because the system has got such high integrity, ask yourself what you really know, and who is behind everything. We just don't know. There are secret societies for example, there are all sorts of things that go on behind closed doors. What in the world makes you think we really know what goes on anywhere and in any field of human endeavour? We get told what to think in the illuminati controlled media. If the suppression of human knowledge goes back a few centuries it becomes compounded, and we live in a very materialistic world. It is easier to enslave people if they can be confined in their thinking. > Its transparent bullshit. Theoretically it is possible there is collusion going on to suppress cures for every disease. Examples are Rife and Reich who were both put out of business and vilified by the system. Any doctors who wish to use nutritional cures are ostracised and ex-communicated. All the major medical establishments have been infiltrated and are corrupted. Homeopathy which is denounced as being useless. Conventional medicine is built on a system where large donations were given in exchange for control over the curriculum of medicine. So why impossible? Carole www.cellsalts.net > PM. >> > Subversion of medical research >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, but > kept from the general public? Because, frankly, it's stupid. It is the silliest idea you have come up with. It goes against everything that we know about human nature including the fact that not everyone other than yourself is wholly evil, not even doctors.. At least the cured people would know that they have been cured, their family would know, and tell the neighbours, and they would tell their neighbours, and then the current affairs programs would get to hear of it and finally the government would be forced to action. We have seen how even rumours of cancer cures can do this, time and time again. What impact would a few patients genuinely cured of "incurable" cancer have? Or are you assuming that these cures exist, but they have never been used, even by those who know of them? > What do you know about the nature of life on this planet, and where it > originated ...Did we evolve out of the slime or descend from monkeys, or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to find answers to these problems because there is so much suppression. A > lot is speculation and hypothetical and some of it isn't. It is invariably presented on this newsgroup as truth. Are you suggesting that people including yourself don't wholly believe in it? It is a kind of make-believe, or half belief? >Do some thinking. Your argument seems to be "if I can imagine something, it might be true." But at some point you must surely test out your imaginings against the available evidence and certain likelihoods, and put the ones that lack support or that go against all sense into the "inactive" basket. You are even using the very absence of cures for certain conditions within an argument that such cures should exist. >> How are >> all the researchers, clerical and laboratory staff kept quiet? Why are [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > has got such high integrity, ask yourself what you really know, and who is > behind everything. We just don't know. Another logical fallacy. You cannot argue that without producing some evidence outside of your own inclinations and wishful thinking. > There are secret societies for example, there are all sorts of things that > go on behind closed doors. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Examples are Rife and Reich who were both put out of business and vilified > by the system. Are you alleging that Rife's methods can cure cancer? Thousands upon thousands of patients have been treated with RIfe type machines over the last couple of decades. You see if you can find anyone whose established cancer went away using them. If you are to believe the anecdotal evidence when it supports your views, then you must also use it when it doesn't. By that standard, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You assume bad faith on the part of those who try to shut down those claiming to be able to treat serious illnesses with dubious and unproven methods. You think they have a corrupt agenda. And perhaps they are often heavy-handed in the way they go about this. But can you not also understand that many people find it horrible that seriously ill people are being exploited and offered false hope, even if those doing it are well-intended? All those people need to do is show that they can do what they claim and they are ALWAYS given the opportunity to do just that.. PM > Any doctors who wish to use nutritional cures are ostracised and > ex-communicated. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in exchange for control over the curriculum of medicine. So why > impossible? > Carole > www.cellsalts.net > >> PM. :> You're not very imaginative. :> How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, but :> kept from the general public? : Because, frankly, it's stupid. It is the silliest idea you have come up : with. It goes against everything that we know about human nature including : the fact that not everyone other than yourself is wholly evil, not even : doctors.. Although "Carole" clearly has reality-testing issues and is (too put it bluntly) none too bright, I have never seen any evidence that the is even partially evil. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." > :> You're not very imaginative. > :> How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bluntly) none too bright, I have never seen any evidence that the is > even partially evil. Oh dear! Excuse my clumsy prose. I obviously did not mean this to be read as you suggest. I was referring to the fact that Carole's theories require certain classes of human beings to be wholly evil. PM > ----- > Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il > Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel > Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University > ----- > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." > :> You're not very imaginative. > :> How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bluntly) none too bright, I have never seen any evidence that the is > even partially evil. So what's the parenthesis around my name for? It is YOUR opinion only that I have reality-testing issues ...I could say that you are gullible and believe whatever you're told by those who wish to manipulate your reality. And I am bright enough thankyou. You have book learning Richard, and that's all you have ...what they put in a book and get you to learn parrot fashion, and what is reinforced by your lecturers and the system. If you choose to swallow it all without question, then you are the one who isn't "too bright". There is very good reason to believe that the people of this planet are having their reality manipulated. Information is power, and there is real technical and scientific knowledge which is locked away and kept from the public. Eg, UFOs. Look it up on the internet. Germany had ufos at the end of WW2 and the technology was transferred to the us. It is speculation who is at the very top of the foodchain with the suppression of knowledge and what the overall agenda is. However, if you look you can find a real lot of examples of suppressed information. The physics and science YOU learn which you think is so superior, has had certain concepts removed to make it harmless so that you never get the technology that would advance mankind in the areas of medicine, health, transport or energy. You are a legend in your own mind, Richard. Carole www.cellsalts.net :> Although "Carole" clearly has reality-testing issues and is (too put it :> bluntly) none too bright, I have never seen any evidence that the is :> even partially evil. : So what's the parenthesis around my name for? There aren't any parentheses around your name. : It is YOUR opinion only that I have reality-testing issues ... It is, alas, the opinion of anyone who has read your posts and observed that you cannot even produce a self-consistent picture of reality, let alone one that has some connection with reality. Not that you believe in reality, but that's another issue, one for Hume and Berkeley. : I could say : that you are gullible and believe whatever you're told by those who wish to : manipulate your reality. Except that I don't believe "whatever I'm told." For example, the experiments I did as part of my Ph. D. research -- experiments where I personally went into the lab, set up the instrument, ran the instrument, and obtained the results -- make a lot of sense if the accepted understanding of electricity and magnetism, atomic theory, and quantum mechanics are true, and basically no sense whatever if they are not. That wasn't blind acceptance of what I've been told -- that was *testing* what I have been told. The difference between us is not that you think things out for yourself and I do not; the difference is that I accept as axiomatic that any test of reality must produce results consistent with all other tests of reality, while you believe that there is no requirement that reality be self-consistent. : And I am bright enough thankyou. You have book learning Richard, and that's : all you have ...what they put in a book and get you to learn parrot fashion, : and what is reinforced by your lecturers and the system. If you choose to : swallow it all without question, then you are the one who isn't "too : bright". You have no evidence whatsoever that I "swallow it all without question." On the other hand, you clearly *do* swallow it all without question. Otherwise, you would not accept the claim that there is a reasonable probability that the moon landings never occurred. : There is very good reason to believe that the people of this planet are : having their reality manipulated. Information is power, and there is real : technical and scientific knowledge which is locked away and kept from the : public. Then how do *you* know about it? : Eg, UFOs. Look it up on the internet. Germany had ufos at the end of WW2 and : the technology was transferred to the us. If the technology was known, then they are not UFOs by definition. What Germany had at the end of WW2 was V-2 rockets, and the technology that was transferred to the US and to the USSR was an important component of the development of the space programs of the two countries, as was the transfer of the scientists who developed Germany's V-rockets ("Once the rockets come up, who cares *where* they come down? That's not my department" says Werner von Braun). : It is speculation who is at the very top of the foodchain with the : suppression of knowledge and what the overall agenda is. If they are so good at suppressing knowledge, how did news of the suppression make it to you? : However, if you look you can find a real lot of examples of suppressed : information. So far, you have only shown us examples of web sites published by lunatics. : The physics and science YOU learn which you think is so superior, has had : certain concepts removed to make it harmless so that you never get the : technology that would advance mankind in the areas of medicine, health, : transport or energy. Since you have never even learned the most basic principles of physics in particular and science in general, you have no means for judging which concepts may or may not have been "removed." Have you ever read a college physics textbook? Just out of curiosity. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "These are just simple farmers. People of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know -- morons." > >> > Subversion of medical research > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > cancer cures can do this, time and time again. What impact would a few > patients genuinely cured of "incurable" cancer have? What cured people? What the article is saying is that the cures are known, and the research steered away from these cures. > Or are you assuming that these cures exist, but they have never been used, > even by those who know of them? Yes, that's what the article is implying. > > What do you know about the nature of life on this planet, and where it > > originated ...Did we evolve out of the slime or descend from monkeys, or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that people including yourself don't wholly believe in it? It is a kind > of make-believe, or half belief? Yes. Some things are known and others are speculation. > >Do some thinking. > > Your argument seems to be "if I can imagine something, it might be true." > But at some point you must surely test out your imaginings against the > available evidence and certain likelihoods, and put the ones that lack > support or that go against all sense into the "inactive" basket. Yes, that's how I think -- it something can be imagined it might be true. Yes, I do check against likelihoods and probabilities and discount some ideas and put others on hold for lack of information. > You are even using the very absence of cures for certain conditions within > an argument that such cures should exist. That's right. They have the best and brightest minds working on these things. Hell, I can even come up with cures and you know my scientific background. So it all points to a coverup. > >> How are > >> all the researchers, clerical and laboratory staff kept quiet? Why are [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Another logical fallacy. You cannot argue that without producing some > evidence outside of your own inclinations and wishful thinking. There is enough evidence to show big coverups and dumbing down of the population. There is archaeological coverups, scientific suppression, political propaganda and manipulations, psyops and psywars. Its all about manipulation of public perceptions and gradually driving humanity down the road to more grinding dumbness. But at the same time they put forward their "experts" and "reliable sources", endless studies and peer reviews which show us absolutely nothing that we didn't know from common sense -- but yet we are supposed to ooh and ah over the latest amazing revelations. And then they do another study which proves the first study was flawed. And its endless ...on and on and on with crappy studies, research that gives us better pharmaceutical products, but at an increased cost of course because the cost of research is very high, you have to understand this ...and no real breakthroughs. > > There are secret societies for example, there are all sorts of things that > > go on behind closed doors. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > when it supports your views, then you must also use it when it doesn't. By > that standard, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Of course you're not going to find these people, it has been suppressed, his work and his equipment all gone. He did invent a microscope that could magnify the blood at a very high level and not kill the microbes in it, whereas other microscopes kill them. He was able to observe pleomorphism of microbes, and he worked out a frequency for every a range of diseases and could kill them by directing some electronic beam at a certain vibration at them. > You assume bad faith on the part of those who try to shut down those > claiming to be able to treat serious illnesses with dubious and unproven [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All those people need to do is show that they can do what they claim and > they are ALWAYS given the opportunity to do just that.. Yes, we know that the medical system wants to shut down alternative medicine in the name of safety for the public. Such unproven methods as vitamins and minerals should not be allowed to exist. If orthodox medicine is so concerned about the public's health, why don't they shut down the confectionary and junk food aisles of supermarkets ...that is if they're really worried about the public's health. The pharmaceutical industry is all about making as much money as it can, by any means possible. They use concern for the public as a pretext to shut down the opposition. Carole www.cellsalts.net > Yes, that's how I think -- it something can be imagined it might be true. Ah, but not all things that can be imagined *are* true. Which leaves the interesting problem of separating those which are from those which aren't. This is a rather well-studied problem. I suppose you could try to reinvent the wheel, but personally I don't see the benefit of doing so. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> > Subversion of medical research >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > How do you know what magical cures may have been known about for eons, but > kept from the general public? Because, frankly, it's stupid. It is the silliest idea you have come up with. It goes against everything that we know about human nature including the fact that not everyone other than yourself is wholly evil, not even doctors.. At least the cured people would know that they have been cured, their family would know, and tell the neighbors, and they would tell their neighbors, and then the current affairs programs would get to hear of it and finally the government would be forced to action. We have seen how even rumors of cancer cures can do this, time and time again. What impact would a few patients genuinely cured of "incurable" cancer have? Or are you assuming that these cures exist, but they have never been used, even by those who know of them? > What do you know about the nature of life on this planet, and where it > originated ...Did we evolve out of the slime or descend from monkeys, or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to find answers to these problems because there is so much suppression. A > lot is speculation and hypothetical and some of it isn't. It is invariably presented on this newsgroup as truth. Are you suggesting that people including yourself don't wholly believe in it? It is a kind of make-believe, or half belief? >Do some thinking. Your argument seems to be "if I can imagine something, it might be true." But at some point you must surely test out your imaginings against the available evidence and certain likelihoods, and put the ones that lack support or that go against all sense into the "inactive" basket. You are even using the very absence of cures for certain conditions within an argument that such cures should exist. >> How are >> all the researchers, clerical and laboratory staff kept quiet? Why are [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > has got such high integrity, ask yourself what you really know, and who is > behind everything. We just don't know. Another logical fallacy. You cannot argue that without producing some evidence outside of your own inclinations and wishful thinking. > There are secret societies for example, there are all sorts of things that > go on behind closed doors. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Examples are Rife and Reich who were both put out of business and vilified > by the system. Are you alleging that Rife's methods can cure cancer? Thousands upon thousands of patients have been treated with Rife type machines over the last couple of decades. You see if you can find anyone whose established cancer went away using them. If you are to believe the anecdotal evidence when it supports your views, then you must also use it when it doesn't. By that standard, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You assume bad faith on the part of those who try to shut down those claiming to be able to treat serious illnesses with dubious and unproven methods. You think they have a corrupt agenda. And perhaps they are often heavy-handed in the way they go about this. But can you not also understand that many people find it horrible that seriously ill people are being exploited and offered false hope, even if those doing it are well-intended? All those people need to do is show that they can do what they claim and they are ALWAYS given the opportunity to do just that.. PM > Any doctors who wish to use nutritional cures are ostracised and > ex-communicated. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > in exchange for control over the curriculum of medicine. So why > impossible? > Carole > www.cellsalts.net > >> PM. Great Post!! Thanks, PA > Subversion of medical researchhttp://www.thecureforheartdisease.com/owen/secret.html > Something strange has happened to a branch of science. Medical researchers [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Carolewww.cellsalts.net |
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