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Plant Calcium Stimulates Bone Growth

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ironjustice - 26 Jan 2008 20:02 GMT
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ironjustice - 09 Feb 2008 15:16 GMT
On Jan 26, 12:02 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:calcium <<

Dietary calcium is better than supplements at protecting bone health

June 20, 2007 -  Women who get most of their daily calcium from food
have healthier bones than women whose calcium comes mainly from
supplemental tablets, say researchers at Washington University School
of Medicine in St. Louis. Surprisingly, this is true even though the
supplement takers have higher average calcium intake.

Adequate calcium is important to prevent osteoporosis, which affects
an estimated 8 million American women and 2 million American men.
Another 34 million Americans have low bone mass, placing them at
increased risk for osteoporosis. Calcium consumption can help maintain
bone density by preventing the body from stealing the calcium it needs
from the bones.

The researchers' conclusions about calcium intake, published in the
May issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, came from a
study of 183 postmenopausal women. The researchers asked the women to
meticulously detail their diet and their calcium supplement intake for
a week. "We assumed that this sample represented each woman's typical
diet," says senior author Reina Armamento-Villareal, M.D., assistant
professor of medicine in the Division of Bone and Mineral Diseases and
a bone specialist at Barnes-Jewish Hospital. "In addition to analyzing
the volunteers' daily calcium intake, we tested bone mineral density
and urinary concentrations of estrogen metabolites."

The researchers found that the women could be divided into three
groups: one group, called the "supplement group," got at least 70
percent of their daily calcium from tablets or pills; another, the
"diet group," got at least 70 percent of their calcium from dairy
products and other foods; and a third, the "diet plus supplement
group," consisted of those whose calcium-source percentages fell
somewhere in between these ranges.

The "diet group" took in the least calcium, an average of 830
milligrams per day. Yet this group had higher bone density in their
spines and hipbones than women in the "supplement group," who consumed
about 1,030 milligrams per day. Women in the "diet plus supplement
group" tended to have the highest bone mineral density as well as the
highest calcium intake at 1,620 milligrams per day.

The hormone estrogen is known to maintain bone mineral density. But
the standard form of estrogen is broken down or metabolized in the
liver to other forms - some active and some inactive. Urinalysis
showed that women in the "diet group" and the "diet plus supplement
group" had a higher ratio of active to inactive estrogen metabolites
than women in the "supplement group."

"This suggests that dietary calcium is associated with a shift in
estrogen metabolism that favors production of active forms of
estrogen," says Armamento-Villareal. "Although we're not yet certain
what underlies this effect, it could be that nutrients other than
calcium cause this shift. It's also known that dairy products, which
are a major source of calcium, can contain active estrogenic
compounds, and these can influence bone density and the amount of
estrogenic metabolites in the urine."

Calcium supplements differ in how well their calcium can be absorbed,
and this also could play a role in the study's findings, according to
its authors. For example, calcium carbonate tablets need to be taken
with a meal so that stomach acid can facilitate absorption, but
calcium citrate tablets don't have this limitation. If the study
participants taking calcium carbonate weren't conscientious about the
timing of their supplements, they might not have received the highest
benefit from them.

"Only about 35 percent of the calcium in most supplements ends up
being absorbed by the body," Armamento-Villareal says. "Calcium from
the diet is generally better absorbed, and this could be another
reason that women who got a high percentage of calcium in their food
had higher bone densities."

Although dairy foods are excellent sources of calcium, Armamento-
Villareal suggests that individuals with dairy sensitivities could
consume other calcium-rich food sources such as calcium-fortified
orange juice. Dark green leafy vegetables also contain calcium, but it
is not as readily absorbed as calcium from dairy sources.

Washington University School of Medicine

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drceephd@insightbb.com - 09 Feb 2008 17:46 GMT
> On Jan 26, 12:02 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:calcium <<
>
> Dietary calcium is better than supplements at protecting bone health

One of the problems with modern nutritional science is that they
assume that the organic calcium in food is the same biochemically as
the inorganic calcium found in rocks.

The calcium in plants is different from the calcium in cow's milk,
which is different from the calcium in goat's milk, etc, etc.  The
organic calcium in plants and unpasteurized milk can be absorbed and
utilized to build bone.

The inorganic calcium found in rocks and pasteurized milk can be
absorbed, but only used to form mineral deposits like those found in
caves and the joints,skin, and tissues of arthritics and women being
wrongfully treated for osteoporosis.

The tests for mineral density does not and cannot differentiate
between these two types of calcium in the living body.  It is only
upon autopsy that the real difference is found.

DrCee
Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to miam or
kill)
Mr. Natural-Health - 09 Feb 2008 18:31 GMT
Ah!  More  junk science from a nut-job.  :(

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45
The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the
supplement has been Chelated. Chelated calcium is calcium bound to an
organic acid, such as citrate, malate, lactate, or gluconate; or to an
amino acid, such as aspartate.

No matter how you verbalize it.  The better calcium / magnesium / zinc
supplements are contain a bioavailable form.

Probably the biggest mistake being made, is taking calcium without any
magnesium.

The tactics of the Science Geek wack-jobs don't help anyone on these
newsgroups.  And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the
posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups.
ironjustice - 09 Feb 2008 18:53 GMT
On Feb 9, 10:31 am, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
Ah!  More  junk science from a nut-job.  :( <<

Sooo .. eating plant foods for calcium found to be better than ..
supplements .. bothers you eh .. john ..

Makes you a .. supplement .. spammer ..

Keep your .. supplement spamming tendencies .. down there .. john ..

It makes you appear even more clownish than you .. actually .. are ..

If that is possible ..

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> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45
> The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the
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> newsgroups.  And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the
> posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups.
Mr. Natural-Health - 10 Feb 2008 20:21 GMT
> Ah!  More  junk science from a nut-job.  :( <<
>
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> If that is possible ..

First of all, putting Jesus and Science together in the same post is
an Oxymoron, ... Moron!

Second, if not least,  the amount of bioavailable calcium from your
diet directly corresponds to the total number of calories consumed.

Do the math, idiot!

Unless you are consuming 4,000+ calories a day, it is virtually
impossible to meet your calcium needs from diet alone.

The reason is quite obvious, most calcium in the diet is simply not
bioavailable for various scientific reasons; no matter what this Jesus
freak fool is trying to claim.

> >http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45
> > The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the
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> > newsgroups.  And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the
> > posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups.
ironjustice@aol.com - 10 Feb 2008 21:01 GMT
On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:Second, if not least,  the
amount of bioavailable calcium from your diet directly corresponds to
the total number of calories consumed. <<

Yeah .. for sure .. man ..
Meat eating / high protein diet reduces calcium absorption ..

On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:most calcium in the diet is
simply not bioavailable for various scientific reasons <<

This would be due to these .. ficticious .. "inhibitors of calcium
absorption" .. like .. phytate for example .. ?

Vegetarian diet supplies PLENTY of calcium .

http://www.soystache.com/calcium.htm.

American Heart Association about Vegetarian Diets:

Calcium: Studies have shown that vegetarians absorb and retain more
calcium from foods than do nonvegetarians. Vegetable greens such as
spinach, kale and broccoli, and some legumes and soybean products are
good sources of calcium from plants. http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/vegdiet.html

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"Inulin increases calcium absorption"

(c) 2002 The American Society for Nutritional Sciences J. Nutr.
132:3599-3602,
December 2002

Biochemical and Molecular Actions of Nutrients
Research Communication
Dietary Chicory Inulin Increases Whole-Body Bone Mineral Density in
Growing
Male Rats1
Marcel B. Roberfroid2, J. Cumps* and J. P. Devogelaer

Université Catholique de Louvain, B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium; *
School
of Pharmacy, Biostatistics, Université Catholique de Louvain, B-1200
Brussels,
Belgium; Department of Rheumatology, Saint Luc University Hospital,
Université
Catholique de Louvain, B-1200 Brussels, Belgium

2To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail:
roberfr...@pmnt.ucl.ac.be.

Chicory inulin is a natural linear fructan that is not digested in the
upper
part of the gastrointestinal tract but is fermented in the cecocolon.
It
enhances calcium absorption in rats and improves femur and tibia
mineral
contents in gastrectomized or ovariectomized rats. We studied the
effect of
inulin (0, 5 and 10 g/100 g diet) on whole-body bone mineral content
(WBBMC),
whole-body bone area (WBBA) and whole-body bone mineral density
(WBBMD) in
live, growing male rats fed diets containing 0.2, 0.5 or 1 g Ca/100 g.
Three
experiments, each corresponding to one of the different dietary Ca
concentrations, were performed using male Wistar rats (n = 108; 4 wk
old).
WBBMC was measured by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry every 4 wk up
to wk 22.
Inulin increased WBBMC (P < 0.05) and WBBMD (P < 0.001) significantly
but not
WBBA at all ages and all dietary calcium concentrations. This is the
first
report to demonstrate that chicory inulin not only increases calcium
absorption
but also increases mineral parameters in whole-body bones.

Key Words: fructan * inulin * calcium * bone mineral density * rats
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On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:no matter what this Jesus
freak fool is trying to claim. <<

I don't claim .. nothing ..

I just show the articles .. and let stupid fks like .. yourself ..
ramble .. on ..

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> > Ah!  More  junk science from a nut-job.  :( <<
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rjk3@my-deja.com - 11 Feb 2008 05:52 GMT
On Feb 10, 3:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:

> > Ah!  More  junk science from a nut-job.  :( <<
>
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> > > newsgroups.  And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the
> > > posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups.

Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) greatly improves calcium absorption.  You
really cannot get enough sunlight in winter if you live north of
Washington, DC.  The Vitamin D used to fortify milk is D2, the wrong
form.  Supplementing 2000 to 4000 IU of D3 will obviate te need for
calcium supplements, which may well contribute to atherosclerosis.
See http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ which is nonprofit, a group of
academic nutritionists and biochemists, and has nothing to do with the
supplement industry.
David Wright - 13 Feb 2008 05:04 GMT
>On Feb 10, 3:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health"
><zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
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>Washington, DC.  The Vitamin D used to fortify milk is D2, the wrong
>form.

Maybe where you live, but I just checked a gallon of milk and they're
using D3 here (New England).

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D. C. Sessions - 09 Feb 2008 19:03 GMT
> The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the
> supplement has been Chelated. Chelated calcium is calcium bound to an
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> No matter how you verbalize it.  The better calcium / magnesium / zinc
> supplements are contain a bioavailable form.

And who are you to challenge that premier chemist, *DR* Cee?
Do *YOU* have a PhD from Mars?

He's already told us that calcium citrate isn't organic because
it's a salt, so none of those salts count.  Even the calcium in
pasteurized milk is inorganic.  In fact, even the calcium in
(some) tissues is inorganic -- so you can't know without asking
him.

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