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Plant Calcium Stimulates Bone Growth
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ironjustice - 26 Jan 2008 20:02 GMT http://www.algaecal.com/
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ironjustice - 09 Feb 2008 15:16 GMT On Jan 26, 12:02 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:calcium <<
Dietary calcium is better than supplements at protecting bone health
June 20, 2007 - Women who get most of their daily calcium from food have healthier bones than women whose calcium comes mainly from supplemental tablets, say researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. Surprisingly, this is true even though the supplement takers have higher average calcium intake.
Adequate calcium is important to prevent osteoporosis, which affects an estimated 8 million American women and 2 million American men. Another 34 million Americans have low bone mass, placing them at increased risk for osteoporosis. Calcium consumption can help maintain bone density by preventing the body from stealing the calcium it needs from the bones.
The researchers' conclusions about calcium intake, published in the May issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, came from a study of 183 postmenopausal women. The researchers asked the women to meticulously detail their diet and their calcium supplement intake for a week. "We assumed that this sample represented each woman's typical diet," says senior author Reina Armamento-Villareal, M.D., assistant professor of medicine in the Division of Bone and Mineral Diseases and a bone specialist at Barnes-Jewish Hospital. "In addition to analyzing the volunteers' daily calcium intake, we tested bone mineral density and urinary concentrations of estrogen metabolites."
The researchers found that the women could be divided into three groups: one group, called the "supplement group," got at least 70 percent of their daily calcium from tablets or pills; another, the "diet group," got at least 70 percent of their calcium from dairy products and other foods; and a third, the "diet plus supplement group," consisted of those whose calcium-source percentages fell somewhere in between these ranges.
The "diet group" took in the least calcium, an average of 830 milligrams per day. Yet this group had higher bone density in their spines and hipbones than women in the "supplement group," who consumed about 1,030 milligrams per day. Women in the "diet plus supplement group" tended to have the highest bone mineral density as well as the highest calcium intake at 1,620 milligrams per day.
The hormone estrogen is known to maintain bone mineral density. But the standard form of estrogen is broken down or metabolized in the liver to other forms - some active and some inactive. Urinalysis showed that women in the "diet group" and the "diet plus supplement group" had a higher ratio of active to inactive estrogen metabolites than women in the "supplement group."
"This suggests that dietary calcium is associated with a shift in estrogen metabolism that favors production of active forms of estrogen," says Armamento-Villareal. "Although we're not yet certain what underlies this effect, it could be that nutrients other than calcium cause this shift. It's also known that dairy products, which are a major source of calcium, can contain active estrogenic compounds, and these can influence bone density and the amount of estrogenic metabolites in the urine."
Calcium supplements differ in how well their calcium can be absorbed, and this also could play a role in the study's findings, according to its authors. For example, calcium carbonate tablets need to be taken with a meal so that stomach acid can facilitate absorption, but calcium citrate tablets don't have this limitation. If the study participants taking calcium carbonate weren't conscientious about the timing of their supplements, they might not have received the highest benefit from them.
"Only about 35 percent of the calcium in most supplements ends up being absorbed by the body," Armamento-Villareal says. "Calcium from the diet is generally better absorbed, and this could be another reason that women who got a high percentage of calcium in their food had higher bone densities."
Although dairy foods are excellent sources of calcium, Armamento- Villareal suggests that individuals with dairy sensitivities could consume other calcium-rich food sources such as calcium-fortified orange juice. Dark green leafy vegetables also contain calcium, but it is not as readily absorbed as calcium from dairy sources.
Washington University School of Medicine
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> http://www.algaecal.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk drceephd@insightbb.com - 09 Feb 2008 17:46 GMT > On Jan 26, 12:02 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> > wrote:calcium << > > Dietary calcium is better than supplements at protecting bone health One of the problems with modern nutritional science is that they assume that the organic calcium in food is the same biochemically as the inorganic calcium found in rocks.
The calcium in plants is different from the calcium in cow's milk, which is different from the calcium in goat's milk, etc, etc. The organic calcium in plants and unpasteurized milk can be absorbed and utilized to build bone.
The inorganic calcium found in rocks and pasteurized milk can be absorbed, but only used to form mineral deposits like those found in caves and the joints,skin, and tissues of arthritics and women being wrongfully treated for osteoporosis.
The tests for mineral density does not and cannot differentiate between these two types of calcium in the living body. It is only upon autopsy that the real difference is found.
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Mr. Natural-Health - 09 Feb 2008 18:31 GMT Ah! More junk science from a nut-job. :(
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45 The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the supplement has been Chelated. Chelated calcium is calcium bound to an organic acid, such as citrate, malate, lactate, or gluconate; or to an amino acid, such as aspartate.
No matter how you verbalize it. The better calcium / magnesium / zinc supplements are contain a bioavailable form.
Probably the biggest mistake being made, is taking calcium without any magnesium.
The tactics of the Science Geek wack-jobs don't help anyone on these newsgroups. And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups.
ironjustice - 09 Feb 2008 18:53 GMT On Feb 9, 10:31 am, "Mr. Natural-Health" <zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote: Ah! More junk science from a nut-job. :( <<
Sooo .. eating plant foods for calcium found to be better than .. supplements .. bothers you eh .. john ..
Makes you a .. supplement .. spammer ..
Keep your .. supplement spamming tendencies .. down there .. john ..
It makes you appear even more clownish than you .. actually .. are ..
If that is possible ..
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> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45 > The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > newsgroups. And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the > posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups. Mr. Natural-Health - 10 Feb 2008 20:21 GMT > Ah! More junk science from a nut-job. :( << > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > If that is possible .. First of all, putting Jesus and Science together in the same post is an Oxymoron, ... Moron!
Second, if not least, the amount of bioavailable calcium from your diet directly corresponds to the total number of calories consumed.
Do the math, idiot!
Unless you are consuming 4,000+ calories a day, it is virtually impossible to meet your calcium needs from diet alone.
The reason is quite obvious, most calcium in the diet is simply not bioavailable for various scientific reasons; no matter what this Jesus freak fool is trying to claim.
> >http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=45 > > The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > newsgroups. And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the > > posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups. ironjustice@aol.com - 10 Feb 2008 21:01 GMT On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health" <zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:Second, if not least, the amount of bioavailable calcium from your diet directly corresponds to the total number of calories consumed. <<
Yeah .. for sure .. man .. Meat eating / high protein diet reduces calcium absorption ..
On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health" <zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:most calcium in the diet is simply not bioavailable for various scientific reasons <<
This would be due to these .. ficticious .. "inhibitors of calcium absorption" .. like .. phytate for example .. ?
Vegetarian diet supplies PLENTY of calcium .
http://www.soystache.com/calcium.htm.
American Heart Association about Vegetarian Diets:
Calcium: Studies have shown that vegetarians absorb and retain more calcium from foods than do nonvegetarians. Vegetable greens such as spinach, kale and broccoli, and some legumes and soybean products are good sources of calcium from plants. http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stroke_A_Z_Guide/vegdiet.html
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"Inulin increases calcium absorption"
(c) 2002 The American Society for Nutritional Sciences J. Nutr. 132:3599-3602, December 2002
Biochemical and Molecular Actions of Nutrients Research Communication Dietary Chicory Inulin Increases Whole-Body Bone Mineral Density in Growing Male Rats1 Marcel B. Roberfroid2, J. Cumps* and J. P. Devogelaer
Université Catholique de Louvain, B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium; * School of Pharmacy, Biostatistics, Université Catholique de Louvain, B-1200 Brussels, Belgium; Department of Rheumatology, Saint Luc University Hospital, Université Catholique de Louvain, B-1200 Brussels, Belgium
2To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: roberfr...@pmnt.ucl.ac.be.
Chicory inulin is a natural linear fructan that is not digested in the upper part of the gastrointestinal tract but is fermented in the cecocolon. It enhances calcium absorption in rats and improves femur and tibia mineral contents in gastrectomized or ovariectomized rats. We studied the effect of inulin (0, 5 and 10 g/100 g diet) on whole-body bone mineral content (WBBMC), whole-body bone area (WBBA) and whole-body bone mineral density (WBBMD) in live, growing male rats fed diets containing 0.2, 0.5 or 1 g Ca/100 g. Three experiments, each corresponding to one of the different dietary Ca concentrations, were performed using male Wistar rats (n = 108; 4 wk old). WBBMC was measured by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry every 4 wk up to wk 22. Inulin increased WBBMC (P < 0.05) and WBBMD (P < 0.001) significantly but not WBBA at all ages and all dietary calcium concentrations. This is the first report to demonstrate that chicory inulin not only increases calcium absorption but also increases mineral parameters in whole-body bones.
Key Words: fructan * inulin * calcium * bone mineral density * rats -------------------------------------------
On Feb 10, 12:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health" <zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:no matter what this Jesus freak fool is trying to claim. <<
I don't claim .. nothing ..
I just show the articles .. and let stupid fks like .. yourself .. ramble .. on ..
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> > Ah! More junk science from a nut-job. :( << > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - rjk3@my-deja.com - 11 Feb 2008 05:52 GMT On Feb 10, 3:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health" <zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
> > Ah! More junk science from a nut-job. :( << > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > newsgroups. And, I for one am rather tired of having to correct the > > > posts of Kooks on these so-called science newsgroups. Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) greatly improves calcium absorption. You really cannot get enough sunlight in winter if you live north of Washington, DC. The Vitamin D used to fortify milk is D2, the wrong form. Supplementing 2000 to 4000 IU of D3 will obviate te need for calcium supplements, which may well contribute to atherosclerosis. See http://www.vitamindcouncil.com/ which is nonprofit, a group of academic nutritionists and biochemists, and has nothing to do with the supplement industry.
David Wright - 13 Feb 2008 05:04 GMT >On Feb 10, 3:21 pm, "Mr. Natural-Health" ><zx...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >Washington, DC. The Vitamin D used to fortify milk is D2, the wrong >form. Maybe where you live, but I just checked a gallon of milk and they're using D3 here (New England).
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D. C. Sessions - 09 Feb 2008 19:03 GMT > The better / more expensive / supplements will advertise that the > supplement has been Chelated. Chelated calcium is calcium bound to an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No matter how you verbalize it. The better calcium / magnesium / zinc > supplements are contain a bioavailable form. And who are you to challenge that premier chemist, *DR* Cee? Do *YOU* have a PhD from Mars?
He's already told us that calcium citrate isn't organic because it's a salt, so none of those salts count. Even the calcium in pasteurized milk is inorganic. In fact, even the calcium in (some) tissues is inorganic -- so you can't know without asking him.
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