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Phlebotomy Successfully Treats Cardiomyopathy

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ironjustice - 24 Jan 2008 22:34 GMT
Internist (Berl). 2008 Jan 23 [Epub ahead of print] Links
[28-year old patient with successfully treated dilatative
cardiomyopathy.][Article in German]

Burri E, Decker M, Eriksson U, Buser P, Hunziker L.
Innere Medizin, Universitätsspital Basel, Petersgraben 4, 4031, Basel,
Schweiz, BurriE@uhbs.ch.

A 28-year was admitted with heart failure. His medical history
included treatment for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. Echocardiography
showed dilatation of all chambers. Elevated serum ferritin levels and
liver biopsy indicated hereditary hemochromatosis. Cardiac iron
overload was seen on magnetic resonance imaging. Genetic testing
revealed homozygosis for G320 V mutation, confirming the diagnosis of
juvenile hemochromatosis. Phlebotomy on a biweekly regimen was started
and after twelve months of therapy the patient had normal ferritin
values as well as normal ejection fraction on echocardiography.

PMID: 18210019 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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ferrous@paris.com - 27 Jan 2008 20:08 GMT
"liver biopsy indicated hereditary hemochromatosis. Cardiac iron
overload was seen on magnetic resonance imaging. Genetic testing
revealed homozygosis for G320 V mutation, confirming the diagnosis of
juvenile hemochromatosis."

Yawn, our good friend found another example of a genetic disorder, not
an example of a disorder related to what one eats or not.

Iron notion = dead as a dodo.  

Jesus ate a meditirranean diet.
ironjustice - 27 Jan 2008 21:13 GMT
On Jan 27, 2:08 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote:
Yawn, our good friend found another example of a genetic disorder,
not
an example of a disorder related to what one eats or not. <<

Eat .. ?

I don't think anyone said anything about eating anything.

The  thread is CURE of cardiomyopathy.

Cardiomyopathy is caused by iron overload.

Sooo.. unless you disagree cardiomyopathy is CAUSED by increased
iron .. then I can't really see what you are doing on this thread.

Anyone can see it is not about what you eat .. but is about ..
**iron**.

Do you think EVERYONE is as stupid as yourself .. ?

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Mr. Natural-Health - 27 Jan 2008 21:22 GMT
> On Jan 27, 2:08 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote:
>  Yawn, our good friend found another example of a genetic disorder,
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>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

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ferrous@paris.com - 27 Jan 2008 21:55 GMT
Yawn, our good friend found another example of a genetic disorder,
not
an example of a disorder related to what one eats or not. <<

"Eat .. ?

I don't think anyone said anything about eating anything." So it istrue,

I did not think it true when first hearing it, you have abandoned the
iron notion.  That notion being that iron is the cause of all disease
because people eat meat. Congratulations for coming to see it is dead as
a dodo.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
ironjustice - 28 Jan 2008 20:25 GMT
On Jan 27, 3:55 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: So it istrue <<

What is true .. ?

You DO think everyone is as stupid as yourself .. ?

Speak for everyone .. else .. but .. we both KNOW .. that doesn't hold
true for he .. that .. is having more success in the medical field
than anyone in history ..

Isn't that .. right .. dorkboy ..

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drceephd@insightbb.com - 28 Jan 2008 20:43 GMT
> On Jan 27, 3:55 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: So it istrue <<
>
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>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Hey Iron, how would you factor this into your cardiomyopathy
hypothesis?

I pulled this off the Wallach site:

http://www.thewallachfiles.com/wallach.htm#5

Selenium deficiency is, indeed, the major cause of cardiomyopathy,
although classical textbooks of cardiology, even the newest editions,
still often fail to mention selenium at all. However, M.R.Werbach, in
his up-to-date reference book on "Nutritional Influences on
Illness" [2nd Edition 1993, Third Line Press, Tarzana, Calif., p.
189], states that selenium deficiency is associated with the
development of cardiomyopathy, while deficiencies of other agents,
e.g. magnesium, L-carnitine, coenzyme Q only may be factors in the
development of the condition.

DrCee
D. C. Sessions - 28 Jan 2008 22:48 GMT
> Selenium deficiency is, indeed, the major cause of cardiomyopathy,
> although classical textbooks of cardiology, even the newest editions,
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> e.g. magnesium, L-carnitine, coenzyme Q only may be factors in the
> development of the condition.

Some rather large longitudinal studies (Finnish, IIRC) show a
significant net benefit in terms of cardiac outcomes from
selenium supplementation.

Others show no net benefit.

A current hypothesis (being tested) is based on the fact that Europe
is on balance much lower in soil selenium than the USA (parts of
North America have enough soil selenium to be toxic to ruminants.)
The positive outcome studies are primarily European, the negative
American.  Stay tuned.

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ironjustice - 29 Jan 2008 22:35 GMT
On Jan 28, 2:43 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: although classical
textbooks of cardiology, even the newest editions,
still often fail to mention selenium at all <<

I suppose that would mean .. ?

It has nothing to do with cardiomyopathy ..

Or else it would be mentioned in the classical textbooks of
cardiology ..

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> > On Jan 27, 3:55 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: So it istrue <<
>
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ferrous@paris.com - 29 Jan 2008 01:43 GMT
"true for he .. that .. is having more success in the medical field
than anyone in history .."

I love it.  Just don't book passage to oslo just yet.  Have you in fact
tried to submit the record of this success to any journal for the bublic
recognition?  Come on, you can tell us.  What do the return letters
really say?
the iron notion, the altitude notion?

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.
 
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