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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / January 2008Cancer Fight Turns to Toxic Toad Venom
Interesting read--very fascinating in fact! http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5477164.html > Interesting read--very fascinating in fact! > > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5477164.html As we all know, all medicines are poisons. Otherwise they would be nutrients. Just prove to me that you can poison an ill person into becoming healthy. DrCee Not a promoter of the giving of poisons for fortune or fame. > As we all know, all medicines are poisons. Otherwise they would be > nutrients. How do you classify: * iron * potassium * sodium * silica > Just prove to me that you can poison an ill person into becoming > healthy. Speaking for myself only, I'm quite dependent on the same stuff that's used for execution by lethal injection. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > In message <bb755695-6c02-4bcf-bd8e-6c243e082...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > * sodium > * silica They are are metals, with a valence of zero. Exposed to water or oxygen, Iron can rust, potassium will burn, sodium will burn, and silica just lays there. > > Just prove to me that you can poison an ill person into becoming > > healthy. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. | > +--------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> In message <bb755695-6c02-4bcf-bd8e-6c243e082...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > oxygen, Iron can rust, potassium will burn, sodium will burn, and > silica just lays there. I suppose I should have been more clear that the question was in the context of your earlier statement (quoted) that things which are not poisons are nutrients. So are the above (in bioavailable forms, or whatever Carole uses for silica) poisons? | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ > In message <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > bioavailable forms, or whatever Carole uses for silica) > poisons? Carole is using the above materials as "nutrients." By definition they are not poisons. > -- > | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | > | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | > | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but trywww.santaclaus.com. | > +--------------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> In message <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Carole is using the above materials as "nutrients." By definition > they are not poisons. OK -- but in that case what happens if I call capsaicin a nutrient? Does it stop being a poison? If not, what do you say of the various alternative health practitioners who prescribe it? Are they in with the AMA in your black book? Can I render anything non-poisonous by calling it a "nutrient," such as cyanide? | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >>> In message <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Can I render anything non-poisonous by calling it a "nutrient," such >as cyanide? Of course! Isn't Vitamin B17 a nutrient?  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > In message <daf88942-455d-4f80-a81d-0baeefb38...@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Anything that is a "true" poison for which there is no known beneficial use in a living organism, is a poison when given at any level or concentration. However, as Paracelcius (?) stated "the dose makes the poison" which means simply that if administered correctly the poison may not kill but will elicit some action like regurgitation, diarrhea or some other phenomena for which the allopath can charge a fortune for their time and for the poison. The most expensive poison that I have heard of is in the area of cancer, and I think it is Neulasta, costs around $6,000 per shot. Of couse the "global fee" for cancer treatment locally is now $1,000,000. People will soon be upping their insurance to the 2MM dollar level or higher to keep up with the greed of the docs. DrCee Not a member of the medical monopoly ( I have no license to kill ) >> In message <daf88942-455d-4f80-a81d-0baeefb38...@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> >> In message <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> >> >> In message <bb755695-6c02-4bcf-bd8e-6c243e082...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> >> >> > As we all know, all medicines are poisons. Otherwise they would be >> >> >> > nutrients. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> Can I render anything non-poisonous by calling it a "nutrient," such >> as cyanide? > Anything that is a "true" poison for which there is no known > beneficial use in a living organism, is a poison when given at any > level or concentration. Nice attempt to dodge the questions. I gave particulars precisely to avoid circular generalizations like the above. Once again, are the following poisons by your definition: * iron * potassium * sodium * silica -- and I'll add, since we're headed that way: * cyanaide * caffeine > However, as Paracelcius (?) stated "the dose makes the poison" which > means simply that if administered correctly the poison may not kill [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in the area of cancer, and I think it is Neulasta, costs around $6,000 > per shot. I get it. Like a coffee enema, which is a toxic preparation administered in an unnatural fashion in order that the body reject it violently. > Of couse the "global fee" for cancer treatment locally is now > $1,000,000. People will soon be upping their insurance to the 2MM > dollar level or higher to keep up with the greed of the docs. Thanks for bringing that up. As you point out, the number of cancer patients worldwide is diminishing dramatically. At $1E6 per patient, Pfizer has to make its $1.2E9 income from oconology drugs from only 1200 patients worldwide. As you point out, this is headed towards coming from only 600 patients so there is, according to you, dramatic progress being made on cancer. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ :> How do you classify: :> * iron :> * potassium :> * sodium :> * silica : They are are metals, with a valence of zero. Exposed to water or : oxygen, Iron can rust, potassium will burn, sodium will burn, and : silica just lays there. Silica is not a metal, and neither of its components has a valence (more properly, oxidation state) of zero. Moreover, iron rusts in the presence of oxygen, water acting as a catalyst; and when potassium or sodium is placed in water, it is the hydrogen liberated by the reaction that burns, not the potassium or sodium. Whatever your Ph.D. is in, it's obviously not chemistry. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." > In article <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open > your mouth and remove all doubt." Uhh, dufus Slutz, check the definition of "burn" or "to burn." DrCee BS, MS, PhD, all in chemistry, so suck it up. >> In article <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> ----- >Uhh, dufus Slutz, check the definition of "burn" or "to burn." > >DrCee >BS, MS, PhD, all in chemistry, so suck it up. If I hadn't seen "Dr" Cee at work before I would assume that this is a joke. Someone points out some facts about chemistry to it and it goes straight ahead and demonstrates its ignorance again. Come on, Cee, explain in detail how a hydrogen flame is really a sodium flame. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >>> In article <65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Someone points out some facts about chemistry to it and it goes > straight ahead and demonstrates its ignorance again. Not just any "someone" either -- a professor of chemistry and, unlike "Cee," someone whose thesis we really can look up. Well, that and one who doesn't wave his ignorance of basic chemistry like a personal identifier. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >>>> In article ><65a8e942-68d2-40c8-a620-1d93fa159...@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Well, that and one who doesn't wave his ignorance of basic >chemistry like a personal identifier. Actually, Cee is fond of demonstrating his ignorance across a wide range of subjects, not just chemistry. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher :> :> * iron :> :> * potassium :> :> * sodium :> :> * silica :> : They are are metals, with a valence of zero. Exposed to water or :> : oxygen, ?Iron can rust, potassium will burn, sodium will burn, and :> : silica just lays there. :> Silica is not a metal, and neither of its components has a valence (more :> properly, oxidation state) of zero. ?Moreover, iron rusts in the presence :> of oxygen, water acting as a catalyst; and when potassium or sodium is :> placed in water, it is the hydrogen liberated by the reaction that burns, :> not the potassium or sodium. ?Whatever your Ph.D. is in, it's obviously :> not chemistry. : Uhh, dufus Slutz, check the definition of "burn" or "to burn." "Burn" is usually defined as "rapid oxidation accompanied by production of a flame." Neither potassium nor sodium burns when exposed to water or oxygen. Why don't *you* check the definitions of "metal" and "valence"? When you do, you'll discover that silica is not a metal and neither of its components has a valence of zero. : DrCee : BS, MS, PhD, all in chemistry, so suck it up. From what institution did you obtain a Ph.D. in chemistry, and when? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?" >> Interesting read--very fascinating in fact! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Just prove to me that you can poison an ill person into becoming >healthy. Just prove to me that we're all imagining the number of people cured by antibiotics. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher > Just prove to me that we're all imagining the number of people cured > by antibiotics. Remember, according to Cee, microbes don't cause disease. | Bogus as it might seem, people, this really is a deliverable | | e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. | | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ >> Just prove to me that we're all imagining the number of people cured >> by antibiotics. > >Remember, according to Cee, microbes don't cause disease. Sure, but maybe the antibiotics do something to enhance nutrition. Even Scudamore used to admit antibiotics worked, though I don't know if he still does. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?" -- Bill Maher >> Just prove to me that we're all imagining the number of people cured >> by antibiotics. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > | There isn't really a Santa Claus, but try www.santaclaus.com. | > +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> --------------+ http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c1efd889a7678735 That _IS_ topical and worthy of discussion. Stick with the topic, that works for you & us. |
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