> On the internet, the true Snake oil Sellers (plus a few new ones)
> pushing this unproven vaccine, have been fillilng blogs, Wiki, the
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> with the virus have “high risk” strains that could lead to cervical
> cancer.
Where is the Centre of Disease Control and Prevention? Who are they?
Please tell us how to identify who will get the high-risk strains.
> Otherwise, HPV generally clears on its own like the common cold, or
> could leave you with a few genital warts. There is no dangerous
> epidemic of HPV and there is no epidemic of cervical cancer.
Yet, 400 women are killed each year, often in the primes of their lives.
Others have to go through heart- and gut-wrenching treatment.
> Cervical cancer kills approximately 400 women in Canada each year as
> compared to breast cancer, which kills approximately 5,000 women. We
> already have a good method of early detection and therefore
> management, of cervical cancer, with almost 100 per cent survival rate
> when found early — namely the Pap test.
That doesn't always work. Ask the families of the 400 women who die each
year.
> The $300 million used for the Gardasil vaccination program could be
> better spent on ThinPrep cervical cancer screening, which is even more
> accurate than the Pap smear test and on increased sex education in
> schools, which has been proven in numerous studies to decrease
> risk-taking behaviour and incidence of sexually transmitted
> infections.
Can you please show us the risk-benefit analysis that lead you to this
conclusion?
> Second, we don’t even know the vaccine is effective, let alone safe.
> Merck, the makers of Gardasil, still cannot give us answers to such
> questions as: How safe is this vaccine? What are the side effects? How
> many girls were used in clinical trials? And because cervical cancer
> develops over many years, was this vaccine even tested long enough to
> know that it works?
We know that it prevents the infection that leads to cancer. And the
information is available at www.cdc.gov, the US Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
> Another alarming fact: since May 2007, there have been 2,000 adverse
> affects from this vaccine reported in the United States along with
> seven deaths, which are currently under investigation.
That's the right word: "event." In none of these deaths, has the vaccine
been shown to be at fault.
> Third, the medical support for this initiative is suspect. As a nurse
> who has been taught to think critically and use evidence-based
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> “scam.” With all the unanswered questions and adverse side effects,
> why are we supporting this campaign?
Because it is expected to save the lives of hundreds of Canadians each year.
> I urge everyone to be critical thinkers and leaders. Do some research
> and support the initiatives you believe in, and speak out against the
> ones you don’t. Our healthcare system is in critical danger of being
> taken over and controlled by big pharmaceutical companies like Merck,
> that do research fueled by how to make money, not by how to make
> humans healthy.
I did my research. I find that the vaccine will likely save hundreds of
lives in Canada and even more in the US.
I have also come to the conlusion that the anti-vaccine folks are trying
to use fear and ignorance to turn people away from vaccines.
Jeff
> —Celina Carter
> Bachelor of Science in Nursing
Jan Drew - 24 Jan 2008 02:52 GMT
>> On the internet, the true Snake oil Sellers (plus a few new ones)
>> pushing this unproven vaccine, have been fillilng blogs, Wiki, the
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>
> Where is the Centre of Disease Control and Prevention? Who are they?
Priceless! Do note how, Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeff...@juno.com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz jtest-u...@juno.com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeff...@softhome.net Hence "Putz"
http://www.msu.edu/~utz/ u...@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyot...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jef...@pacbell.net
Jeff j...@hotmail.com (2007)
and again (2008)
never criticizes his buddy Mark Probert's typos.
> Please tell us how to identify who will get the high-risk strains.
lol. Ask your beloved CDC.
>> Otherwise, HPV generally clears on its own like the common cold, or
>> could leave you with a few genital warts. There is no dangerous
>> epidemic of HPV and there is no epidemic of cervical cancer.
>
> Yet, 400 women are killed each year, often in the primes of their lives.
> Others have to go through heart- and gut-wrenching treatment.
Yet, you don't seem to be concerned about the *needless deaths and mistakes*
from
convention medicine.
>> Cervical cancer kills approximately 400 women in Canada each year as
>> compared to breast cancer, which kills approximately 5,000 women. We
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> That doesn't always work. Ask the families of the 400 women who die each
> year.
You forgot the families who are killed each year from breast cancer.
>>The $300 million used for the Gardasil vaccination program could be
>> better spent on ThinPrep cervical cancer screening, which is even more
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> Can you please show us the risk-benefit analysis that lead you to this
> conclusion?
Read, notdoc, read.
http://www.gazette.uwo.ca/article.cfm?section=Opinions&articleID=1529&month=01&d
ay=23&year=2008
>> Second, we don’t even know the vaccine is effective, let alone safe.
>> Merck, the makers of Gardasil, still cannot give us answers to such
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> information is available at www.cdc.gov, the US Centers for Disease
> Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
Ahh, yes. Believe the CDC and govenment.
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical-care-rese
arch/20070925hpv4gbs.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84804.php
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0517hpvvaccine0517.html
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most
-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
>> Another alarming fact: since May 2007, there have been 2,000 adverse
>> affects from this vaccine reported in the United States along with
>> seven deaths, which are currently under investigation.
>
> That's the right word: "event."
Where?
In none of these deaths, has the vaccine
> been shown to be at fault.
Tell that to the families of those who have died.
My. my I am so surprised you would tell a blatant lie.
http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/05/gardasil-vaccine-so-far-3-deaths-and.html
>> Third, the medical support for this initiative is suspect. As a nurse
>> who has been taught to think critically and use evidence-based
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>
> Jeff
You did your research. You could not tell the deaths were caused by the
vaccination...
When one dies died of a blood clot three hours after getting the Gardasil
vaccine. .
>> —Celina Carter
>> Bachelor of Science in Nursing
Jeff - 24 Jan 2008 03:46 GMT
>>> On the internet, the true Snake oil Sellers (plus a few new ones)
>>> pushing this unproven vaccine, have been fillilng blogs, Wiki, the
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>
> never criticizes his buddy Mark Probert's typos.
I didn't criticize anyone's typo. Ask what agency that is.
>> Please tell us how to identify who will get the high-risk strains.
>
> lol. Ask your beloved CDC.
The point is that there is no way to tell which girls will later get the
high-risk infection and which ones won't.
>>> Otherwise, HPV generally clears on its own like the common cold, or
>>> could leave you with a few genital warts. There is no dangerous
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> mistakes* from
> convention medicine.
That's not the subject of this thread. However, I am very concerned
about these, particularly, with proper software and procedures, many are
easy to prevent.
>>> Cervical cancer kills approximately 400 women in Canada each year as
>>> compared to breast cancer, which kills approximately 5,000 women. We
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>>
> You forgot the families who are killed each year from breast cancer.
That's not the subject of this thread.
>>> The $300 million used for the Gardasil vaccination program could be
>>> better spent on ThinPrep cervical cancer screening, which is even more
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>
> http://www.gazette.uwo.ca/article.cfm?section=Opinions&articleID=1529&month=01&d
ay=23&year=2008
I meant a real analysis by someone who knows what he is doing.
>>> Second, we don’t even know the vaccine is effective, let alone safe.
>>> Merck, the makers of Gardasil, still cannot give us answers to such
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>
> http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/clinical-care-rese
arch/20070925hpv4gbs.html
That was over 6 months ago. What was the outcome of the investigation?
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84804.php
So what? Which of those deaths have been shown to be caused by the vaccine?
> http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0517hpvvaccine0517.html
Old news.
> http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most
-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
>
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> When one dies died of a blood clot three hours after getting the
> Gardasil vaccine. .
See, the patient died of a blood clot, not a vaccine.
You have yet to prove that the vaccine was anything other than coincidence.
Jeff
>>> —Celina Carter
>>> Bachelor of Science in Nursing
Snake oil Salesman, Jefffrey P Utz ...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#Jeffrey-Utz
There is no certainty about this new expensive drug you are pushing
here ...
"may" prevent cervical cancer is a big IF.
"may" save lives even bigger.
You are deaf, dumb and blind to the facts regarding this unproven drug
... and use your typical "ministry of truth' disinformation tactics.